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24 Hours in Police Custody S00E35 Lost Boys
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00:30Good evening, love you, please.
00:36I'm calling to report the missing patient.
00:44My son went out in the afternoon, and he has not been home, I've been calling the phone.
00:54Has he got new friends at school, or...?
00:58Yeah, this one, it's a new friend.
01:02Have you been coming out home with new items, or anything like that?
01:05He brings new clothes.
01:11Right, do you think your son's involved in drugs?
01:14Yeah.
01:15It's crucial that we find the truth.
01:26Got to question everything, believe nobody.
01:33It's almost a game of chess, trying to get him to slip up.
01:36This is your opportunity to talk to me.
01:38Children have always gone missing, and when I was growing up, children would go missing for a couple of hours because they'd been told off by their mum and dad.
02:01I mean, I certainly did that.
02:06Unfortunately now, I've got children going missing because they're being exploited for the purpose of drug supply.
02:11They're being used because they're not known to the police, they've probably not been seen by the police, and they're less likely to get stopped by the police.
02:23Children, when I say children, I think the youngest I've experienced is ten, right up to 16, 17.
02:29Bedfordshire Police's Gangs and Guns Unit, Bowson, have received multiple calls about a 15-year-old who keeps going missing from home.
02:45We've been missing on 40 different periods over the past two years, and we believe it's for the purpose of drug supply.
02:52He returned yesterday after a period of 10 days' absence.
02:56That's a long period of time for a 15-year-old boy to be missing.
02:58We're going to arrest Gavin today because we need to try and safeguard him.
03:05So, left again.
03:09It's reported that he is now staying at the home of a family friend.
03:19Hello, is Gavin in?
03:22Put your hands up for me, my friend.
03:23What's your phone?
03:26You're under arrest, mate, in a minute, all right?
03:27Being concerned, supply of class A drugs, you don't have to say anything, but it may harm your defence.
03:30Don't mention when questioned something, but you'll later rely on in court.
03:33And if you need to do, maybe give any evidence, right?
03:35I haven't even done anything.
03:44Bad influence has changed him.
03:46Oh, 100%.
03:47Does he ever say where he goes?
03:49No, no, no.
03:50Because he disappears, don't he, for...
03:51No, if you ask me, say no, I won't tell him where I am.
03:55We're concerned that the older people are taking advantage of him.
04:02Really are.
04:03You know, we want to help him if we can.
04:04Yeah.
04:05That's the problem.
04:06All of us, sadly, he's changed.
04:08It's quite scary because I've got a child myself, a son.
04:37And, yeah, it does worry me.
04:42He'll be 12 soon.
04:44He's a bit cheeky, likes his clothes, likes his trainers, like all the kids do.
04:49I try and look at it as, in a way, that that could be my child.
04:58He's a young lad.
05:00He comes from a decent background.
05:01I don't bear thinking about my child being in that situation.
05:05Hello, buddy.
05:06How are you?
05:07Yeah?
05:08He's been arrested this morning for being concerned by class A drugs.
05:15Who else do you live with, mate?
05:17My mum.
05:19My little boy.
05:19You know, you come across some of these boys that apparently are being used.
05:29A lot of them have attitude and they don't see it as being used.
05:32They think it's all right to do what they're doing.
05:35This lad, bearing in mind he come back last night, he looks beaten.
05:41His head was down, you know.
05:42He doesn't look like it's...
05:44Oh, that's sad.
05:45You know, he does genuinely look like a victim, I would say.
05:48Yeah.
05:49We suspect he'd been out of Bedfordshire, dealing drugs, in a drugs den.
05:58Sometimes they're taken there by elder members of that criminal group.
06:05Someone's...
06:06There's text messages on.
06:11There's a phone number where he's getting threats about his mum being stabbed up if he doesn't work off what he owes.
06:19They're arguing about how many bits he's given him and how much he's returned.
06:22Yeah, but that's what happens.
06:23Debt bondage.
06:26When they start dealing for a line, they will be challenged when it's time to pay.
06:31Saying, well, where's the rest? You had more drugs than that.
06:34Where's the money?
06:35When actually they didn't have more drugs than that.
06:49They then owe that line, and then, obviously, debt bondage becomes a big issue.
07:14Threats of violence to not just them, but their families as well.
07:16So they tend to just keep doing it, even though they don't want to.
07:28We know you go missing a lot of the time.
07:32How do you function? How do you live?
07:35You must be getting fed and watered.
07:39So someone's looking after you.
07:40Like I said, I've taken me police out of, mate.
07:45We're not here to get you into trouble.
07:47We're here to help.
07:49Live with your mum.
07:50Your mum cares for you dearly.
07:51And there's messages such as, you've got to make me do something stupid.
07:58Blood, I'll shank up your mum.
08:01Blood on your mum's life.
08:02I'm going to wet up your mum.
08:05I'm assuming that is, your mum's going to get it.
08:09I'm assuming I'm going to wet up your mum.
08:12It is along the lines that she's going to bleed.
08:15She's going to come to some harm.
08:16Whether you've upset them, short-changed them, I don't know.
08:21And we can help.
08:23We can get you out of this situation.
08:26You and your mum, any brothers or sisters that you may have,
08:29get you out of looting.
08:31Don't let these idiots run your life for you.
08:37Thanks. See you, Kevin.
08:38OK, thank you.
08:38Bye-bye.
08:39Bye-bye.
08:41It is hard to get these children to open up,
08:43but the ones that have opened up, they are scared.
08:45These kids are really scared.
08:51Detectives probed the mobile number
08:53that sent the threatening messages.
08:55Oh, here we go.
08:57Two intelligence reports on that telephone number.
09:00Dunstable.
09:01The Brian line.
09:03One intel report that says they did a warrant and address
09:05and there was a list of numbers with the heading lines
09:09and one of them was Brian and that telephone number.
09:11There's intel that that line is using children to run.
09:15Yeah.
09:16Fucking hell.
09:19We're not looking for a guy called Brian, anyone called Brian.
09:22Brian is the name of a Class A drug supply network.
09:25It's what people say in their phone.
09:26We're looking for the person that's in control of that handset,
09:30in control of that number,
09:31and in control of telling these kids
09:33where to go and deal these drugs.
09:35You know, we want that face.
09:36We want that name.
09:41You know what I reckon, guys?
09:42Him giving us that PIN number to cry for help, you know?
09:44It's his only way other than saying, I need help.
09:46He wanted to see the effects.
09:49OK, mate, what's basically going to happen now
09:51is you're going to be bailed out of the police station
09:53with some conditions.
10:02Officers believe they have identified the drug dealing line
10:05that is threatening the 15-year-old and his family.
10:09The main focus, when you get a deal line phone number,
10:13the first thing you're looking to do
10:14is trying to attribute it to somebody.
10:16We obtain the billing from the service provider
10:20and that will provide us with
10:22who the most frequent callers are.
10:24Generally, you'll find the most frequent caller to a deal line
10:28is going to be the person in cahoots with the dealer
10:30and is working with them.
10:38It's registered to them.
10:40It's the address.
10:46There could be kids in there now, that address.
11:06They're basing themselves in a flat
11:09being the current home address of a clean skin.
11:12OK.
11:15I've reached 76, and we are about 10 minutes away.
11:18We've just gone up Hatta's way.
11:20Police identify the top caller of the drug dealing line
11:23they believe is exploiting teenagers.
11:29Go, go, go!
11:34Take it on, boy.
11:34Take it on, boy.
11:39Ready?
11:42Go, go, go!
11:46Stay where you are!
11:48Please, stay where you are!
11:49Stay where you are!
11:50Stay where you are!
11:51Stay where you are!
11:51Get your hands out in front of you.
11:53Hands out in front of you.
11:54Anyone else?
11:56That's what we could.
11:58What's your name then, mate?
12:00Jordan?
12:01Have a seat here.
12:02Hi, mate.
12:03I met you before, haven't I?
12:04Yeah, I'll be a little bit of a week more.
12:06What's going on, bro?
12:07Another teenage boy with a history of going missing
12:11is identified by officers.
12:14You ain't got nothing on here, have you?
12:16Nah, that is true.
12:17You're happy there's no-one else in here, yeah?
12:19There's no-one else in here.
12:21It's only a tiny flat anyway, isn't it?
12:23The back of CPS1, window was open on entry.
12:27Go, go, go, go!
12:29Go, go, go!
12:30Down, down, down, down.
12:36A teenager is reported fleeing a block of flats.
12:45Where's the alleyway?
12:46Where?
12:54Someone jumped out the window.
12:55I literally, tonight, all I heard was a door gun.
12:58Has anyone jumped out the window?
13:01Listen, mate, if he's hurt himself, we need to know the moment.
13:03Someone jumped out the window?
13:05No.
13:06I swear you were running on him.
13:08Yeah, I was in your room.
13:13I'm 163 male, black-based, black-based, grey, joggers.
13:16Do you want me to show a walk down there?
13:17Right.
13:25What's your name, mate?
13:29What's your name?
13:30What's my name?
13:31Yeah.
13:31Just tell me your name.
13:32Don't go anywhere.
13:33What's your name?
13:33Just tell me your name, buddy.
13:34That could solve a hell of a lot of problems.
13:36What do you know?
13:37What is your name?
13:38James Cork.
13:39Right, you had to think about that.
13:40What do you mean I had to think about that?
13:42Right, you got anything on you?
13:43No.
13:43Right, you're going to be detained for the search, okay?
13:45Section 23, misuse drug check.
13:47Do you understand that, okay?
13:48Mind your head, mate.
13:49The suspected top caller to the Bryan line is brought into police custody.
14:17How much have you been arrested for?
14:18Concerns Pilar Class A drugs.
14:22Do you understand why you've been arrested, buddy?
14:24Yeah?
14:25You think that's all you do?
14:27I do, yeah.
14:28Yeah?
14:33How old are you?
14:3423.
14:36How tall are you, buddy?
14:37Do you know?
14:37I think about 6'5".
14:38I think you must be.
14:39Stand up against my measuring stick there, mate.
14:41What?
14:41What's loose problem, isn't he?
14:43He is.
14:44I think he's sandwiched.
14:456'5".
14:46Bloody hell.
14:46I was waiting for that.
14:49Just save me from saying it.
14:57We've got a SIM card in that phone.
14:58Chris thought you'd that help, but I thought it's all the stuff out.
15:01Luckily, he had two.
15:02Two?
15:03Oh, good.
15:03You know, lots of drug paraphernalia.
15:10All of his clean syringes and needles for drug use.
15:17Light, 55.
15:18Dark, 45.
15:19Ose money.
15:20Got money for light.
15:21Got money for dark.
15:22Totals.
15:23Yeah, there's evidence of large-scale cutting and bagging and drug supply.
15:33Drug stands tend to be unkept, unclean.
15:38There's weapons.
15:40There's needles.
15:41These kids will sit in that place for days, surrounded by drug users, drugs.
15:46Yeah, I don't bear thinking about it.
15:48I wouldn't want my son there.
15:55The phone, as he's jumped out of the window, is on the window ledge.
15:58Right, OK.
15:59Didn't physically have the phone on his person.
16:05The boy who was arrested after fleeing from the flat
16:08is brought into custody.
16:16What have you eaten?
16:17What time are you nicked?
16:21Do you need anything to eat or drink?
16:23What would you like?
16:25Tea, coffee.
16:27Mum?
16:29Yeah, hello there.
16:30I'm a class assignment today.
16:31I was looking after your son.
16:32Sorry about to bring you here to go through this process,
16:36but thank you for attending.
16:39The 14-year-old boy found at the raid
16:42is accompanied by his mother in the police station.
16:46Sorry, I just want to know.
16:47Was he...
16:49Was the house raided and he was in it,
16:51or was he running out of the house?
16:54The house was raided, and I understand.
16:56The house was raided and he was there.
16:59OK.
16:59OK, are we good to start?
17:08You were arrested from your home address.
17:17Within the premises, police recover multiple phones,
17:20tick lists, drug paraphernalia,
17:21consistent with the premises being used
17:23to cut and bag Class A controlled drugs.
17:26Do you want to tell us what's been happening?
17:28To be honest with you, it's just a matter of me being involved
17:32with people that do hard drugs and, you know,
17:36my place has different people in it quite a lot.
17:39How long have these people been coming to you for that?
17:44Good sort of six months to a year or so, I think.
17:48I can...what I can, you know, recall in my head.
17:51I'm pretty out of it most of the time when I'm there.
17:54Out of it due to...?
17:56Well, not any more, but heroin.
17:59I'm two weeks clean.
18:02At first, they were abusing my addiction.
18:04You know, they were filming drugs just to be there.
18:08But now that I'm clean, it's becoming a problem for them.
18:12But also in your flat, these are bits of paper.
18:17Are these your handwriting?
18:18They are, yeah.
18:19Yep.
18:20If we look at this £30-5L, what would that mean?
18:26That would mean someone asked for 5L, 5L went out of a batch
18:33and it was £30 and it cost.
18:35So what's 5L?
18:38Cocaine reps.
18:43So you were helping out the sale of drugs
18:46in the sense that you're the bookkeeper?
18:49Well, no, not the bookkeeper.
18:51In the sense of not wanting to get my head kicked in.
18:54Okay.
18:54You know?
18:55Whenever they'd have stuff,
18:57they'd try and put debts on my head
18:58and so I would write down exactly
19:01how much money went in and out.
19:04They are confirmation that I didn't owe any money out
19:08or things weren't going missing in my flat
19:10or anything like that.
19:12So you've made a note that someone...
19:14I made sure I had my back covered because otherwise they'd put debts on my head
19:19and then they'd become abusive.
19:20Even if it was like £2 that had gone from anywhere, they'd try and put it on me.
19:27So you felt you had the obligation to allow these people in there?
19:30How long have you lived there?
19:33How long have you lived there?
19:34Almost five years now.
19:37Family?
19:38No.
19:39No family?
19:40I do have several types of families.
19:43I have my adopted family, but they're not really in my life.
19:47My real family that I don't want to be a part of.
19:50And then that's about it.
19:53OK, so no one you're in contact with?
19:59Organised crime groups, that they love somebody that's got an addiction,
20:02they prey on those people.
20:05We do find that drug users that are cuckooed don't have loved ones,
20:10they don't have close friends, they have no one to turn to,
20:13no one to ask for help.
20:14And the organised criminals and what we call the elders of the gangs know that.
20:17He's being exploited, massively.
20:23He's very lonely.
20:24Usually what happens is on a daily basis now, people will turn up,
20:28he lets them in, or if he doesn't let them in,
20:29other people who are already there will let them in.
20:32He doesn't confront them, he lets it go by,
20:34because safety is paramount to him,
20:36and he knows if he causes an issue, there's going to be issues for him.
20:39Yep.
20:45It just drives me to keep going.
20:47Because at the end of the day,
20:49there's always someone older and bigger up the chain
20:51that are using these people.
20:53The very first time I took heroin, I was a child.
21:16Me mum used to try and keep us warm and homeless with it.
21:19I had it at a very young age.
21:22Whoa.
21:23And then I started doing it myself, probably about 17 years old.
21:29And then it gets you, it hooks you.
21:32Just with drugs, you get involved with stupid people.
21:36With stupid people, you get stupid situations,
21:39and so it's just a bad path.
21:41Detectives are investigating the exploitation of teenagers and drug addicts
21:49by organised crime groups who use them to deal drugs.
21:57The 17-year-old boy who was arrested while fleeing the drugs den is interviewed.
22:03I first knew him when he was a young teenager and he then become a member of the local gang.
22:15He was young, vulnerable, taken advantage of.
22:18Like any teenage boy or girl, we will always offer safeguarding.
22:23That wasn't always greatly received, unfortunately.
22:25Right.
22:27Have you been interviewed before, yeah?
22:29Yeah.
22:34First question I have to ask you is the most important one.
22:38What spooked you so much that you jumped from a building?
22:44No comment.
22:45That's some 40 feet in the air.
22:48No comment.
22:51Do you think you're a Batman?
22:52No comment.
22:54Do you think you can fly?
22:55No comment.
22:59Did you leave anything behind when you jumped out the window?
23:05Did you leave that phone behind?
23:08This is on the windowsill.
23:10You jump out the window, but you leave your phone behind.
23:16So let's talk about you.
23:18Do you go to college?
23:21No.
23:22No?
23:23Have you got any employment?
23:25No.
23:27Do you claim any benefits?
23:28No comment.
23:30So what are you doing over in Dunstable at four o'clock in the afternoon?
23:35You're drug dealing?
23:38No comment.
23:42So what's a 17-year-old and a 14-year-old doing, rocking up at a 23-year-old's flat?
23:49But Jordan is a drug addict.
23:51He's a vulnerable person.
23:55No comment.
23:56So the two people there yesterday, are they people that frequented your flat from time to time?
24:12They had been there a couple of times.
24:16I didn't realise there was two of them there yesterday.
24:18I thought it was just, I can't remember his name.
24:21Do you know who these people were yesterday?
24:23I know who they are, yeah, but I don't hang out.
24:27And who comes to your flat more?
24:31YB.
24:32You knew the tall black lad as YB?
24:35As YB.
24:35What does YB stand for?
25:03Young boy?
25:04Young blood?
25:06Are you YB?
25:07Young blood?
25:07Young blood?
25:08Young blood?
25:08Young blood?
25:09I think you are.
25:23Just drop these off and I'll come back.
25:24Good.
25:24Good.
25:32Good news.
25:33This is the phone that was found on the window ledge.
25:35It's the Bryan line.
25:37Yeah?
25:37Order the taxi.
25:39Yeah, that's right, because I was around about 1440.
25:41This is a taxi company sending a message.
25:44A taxi saying your taxi's on route?
25:45Your taxi's on route.
25:46The very list?
25:47Yeah.
25:47Oh, obviously there's loads of messages.
25:48Obviously there's loads of messages who's advertising crack and heroin.
25:52What?
25:53Like mail-shotting?
25:54Yeah.
25:55Oh.
25:56Well done, Primi.
25:58The phone seized from the flat confirmed as the Bryan line, officers can now get details
26:04of when top-ups were made from the service provider.
26:07A lot of these phones that we find, they're pay-as-you-go phones, and they are unregistered, but with a pay-as-you-go phone, you have to go into a shop.
26:18You know, if they're corner shops, generally they sell alcohol, and if they sell alcohol, they need CCTV.
26:24Here's Jaden Lewis.
26:39Jaden Lewis has just walked in with someone else, Gazza.
26:45It ties him to the phone.
26:49I think he's in charge of this line, or he's certainly well up there.
26:52He's, er, one of the bigger players.
26:58It is a shock to see someone that young being trusted.
27:02I mean, these deal lines are worth thousands and thousands of pounds.
27:07He's got to have earned that trust, whether that be violent crimes, er, running drugs for the elders.
27:16Might be worth getting the footage for the doorway to see who you talk to.
27:22The kid.
27:31That is fantastic.
27:33Because that shows he's exploiting him.
27:34Put them together, yeah.
27:34Put them together.
27:36Jaden's the one with the money.
27:38Jaden's the one buying the drinks and handing them over.
27:41To the kid.
27:42To the kids.
27:51To the kids.
27:55To the kids.
27:58To the kids.
27:59When they get their wives.
28:01To the kids.
28:03When they're not booked for a EinTalkover,
28:04they're пропed.
28:04They're 150 years old.
28:05They're very scared.
28:06They're esf обяз.
28:07They're commandments to their familyasta.
28:12What we do see is we see victims become the offenders, i.e. they will start exploiting
28:20not to be exploited.
28:21Tell me about the kid.
28:25He's 14 years of age.
28:33Is he a drug dealer as well, of 14 years of age?
28:41There's another boy who should have been in school yesterday, I would have assumed.
28:46Is he working with you?
28:49Okay, so the first question from me to you.
28:56Do you understand what the word duress means?
28:58I'm going to explain to you what I think, what my explanation of duress is.
29:04People make you do stuff that you don't want to do.
29:08What these people usually get you to do is illegal, yeah?
29:11And you have to go along with it because you're maybe being threatened, your own safety or
29:16your family's safety or your friends' safety, is that the case?
29:22What is your role?
29:25I would put it to you that perhaps your role in this, Jordan's got the premises, yeah?
29:31He's got the flat, you're the one with all the drugs and you've got the young boy who's
29:38dealing for you.
29:39Could that be the case?
29:40You've found yourself in this flat with drug equipment that looks like drugs are being sold
29:46from that place.
29:48You don't want to be there, but you have to be there because you're being forced to work
29:52there.
29:53Is that the case?
29:54Yeah.
29:56I would be very reluctant to prosecute somebody that's 17 years of age, if I believe they
30:10were innocent, but people that are 17 years of age can be the exploiter.
30:16I think you're streetwise enough to be an exploiter.
30:21What do you say to that?
30:23No comment.
30:24You're willing to tell us who you're working for?
30:29No comment.
30:31Any reason for you being at that address yesterday?
30:35No comment.
30:36Yeah, you're saying no comment all you like.
30:38I am saying no comment.
30:39That's good.
30:40Yeah, no, that's good.
30:41I like that.
30:42Yeah.
30:43Like I explained to you at the beginning of the interview, if you don't say something
30:47today that you later say at court, yeah, the court will say, well, then you had that
30:53chance to talk to Gary.
30:55Okay.
30:56Time on my way to 11.44 and we'll conclude this interview.
31:13I've got no further questions.
31:14I'm now concluding this interview.
31:15Oh, thank you.
31:16Okay.
31:17Okay.
31:18Follow me.
31:19Excuse me.
31:20Sorry, are you your mum?
31:21Yeah.
31:22You are?
31:23Okay.
31:24It's Michael Swill.
31:25I'm the detective sergeant.
31:26So the plan is that we're going to release you tonight.
31:30I've got significant concerns about doing that, if I'm honest.
31:31I wanted to make you aware that I'll probably be speaking to social services tomorrow and
31:37we'll be basically saying to social they need to do something to help you to safeguard
31:43him because whatever is going on there is going on there is going on there.
31:48Yeah.
31:49Yeah.
31:50Yeah.
31:51Okay.
31:52I think a lot of stuff that he does is because he's hooked on the weed and it's just to get
32:07money for that.
32:08But then I just want to get help to get a kid off of weed.
32:10It's like impossible.
32:12Yesterday he went out.
32:13As soon as he went out I was just stressed and worrying about what he's doing or where
32:18he is and then today now.
32:20The officers are doing it with you very expeditiously.
32:24We've done that because of your age.
32:25You're 14 years old.
32:26All right?
32:27So you're getting released tonight.
32:29It'll be what we call as released under investigation.
32:32All right?
32:33And that's what I'm going to be doing.
32:34Being out of school and hanging around with nothing to do all day has made it a big
32:39spiral.
32:40And then obviously I'm at work all day and my husband's at work all day.
32:44You can't keep an arm in shape or seven.
32:46It's the same.
32:47Which is why I do think that relocating needs to be slowly considered.
32:53But the main thing is it's not about starting the slippery slope.
32:57He's on the slope already.
32:59And it's whether we keep clawing back from that.
33:01Because the pupil is associating with very much tied up in it already.
33:05If your child is repeatedly getting picked up by the police and no matter what you say
33:17to them, they will just carry on doing it.
33:19You know, as a parent, you would be bereft because this is your child.
33:23You want the best for them.
33:25And there's a sense of hopelessness.
33:27You can be released under investigation now.
33:32Essentially, you just need to wait until the officer contacts you.
33:35OK?
33:36The whole criminal justice system is geared up to not criminalise children.
33:40And that's right.
33:42Where we have the problem is that these organised crime groups are really savvy.
33:46Because if those lads get caught, you know, what the police can do and what the courts can do is very limited.
33:53Unfortunately, if they keep committing crimes, they're going to reach the age of 18,
33:58never having had to answer the crimes they've committed.
34:02That, in turn, I think, is what makes them continue.
34:07Jayden Lewis, almost 18 years of age.
34:11You know, that's all he knows, I think.
34:13You know, and that's the problem, isn't it?
34:15You look at them now.
34:25So who's involved?
34:26Gavin's 14.
34:27He's 14.
34:28But he's only 17 himself.
34:32So there's got to be a boss man or woman that's running them.
34:39There's got to be.
34:40There's got to be.
34:53Good evening, Dr. Blaze.
34:55I'm calling you to report the message in person.
34:59OK.
35:00My worries is I don't know where it is and what is going on.
35:13But you know Gavin has gone missing again.
35:15Yeah.
35:16Yeah, it's quite possible, isn't it?
35:21Or the ace line.
35:23There's massive crossover in there.
35:28These kids will deal different drugs for different drug lines and they will get moved around because if they are seen in an area too much by the police, they will become what they call hot.
35:42He's a kid.
35:43We need to work together and try and support him and get him away from these people.
35:48The 14-year-old boy found in the drug's den is missing again.
35:52Police receive a call offering information.
35:55You've done the right thing here.
35:57And that's what's going to give him a chance at the end of the day.
36:01So Ant-Man was the one doing the organising.
36:05Recruited by two males, Ant-Man and Nuts.
36:11Ant-Man is Jamal Andal.
36:14I know that.
36:15It's been his nickname for years.
36:17Great.
36:18Well done.
36:22Current intelligence suggests that Jamal is using young males to deal Class A drugs, namely crack and heroin on his behalf.
36:31He's well known to police.
36:32Previous arrests for possession of criminal property, possession of an imitation firearm, a fray and theft of the motor vehicle.
36:44Police!
36:46Police!
36:47Police!
36:48Police!
36:49Police, show your hands, Police Officers!
36:50Police!
36:51Police, show your hands.
36:52Give me your hands.
36:53Give us your hands.
36:54Stop resisting.
36:55Stop resisting.
36:56Stop resisting!
36:57Stop resisting!
36:58Don't tighten up!
37:00I'm not doing nothing.
37:09How are we doing mate, Jamal, here...
37:11In the rest of the room, brilliant and useful.
37:13on the coffee table we've got a Ford car key and a burner phone just just beside
37:20him where he was sleeping we've got another burner phone a smartphone
37:23SIM cards in a deal bag oh yes loads of tickets you've got cocaine you've got loads of crack
37:49you're looking at probably good couple of hundred of rocks there
38:19it changed so much since the last time I've been here do you like what we've done with the place
38:25I think you're the person who you interviewed me could be I've been here for a long time when I
38:31got done for armed robbery and I went straight to jail that's the last time I've been here I think
38:38you were the one who used to wear a suit yeah yeah it'd be an irony if I send you back to prison
38:43wouldn't it yeah man prison's not a good place but I promised myself I should not do anything
38:48to get me back there but that went to ratchet no no no you reckon well so funny though we'll see
38:59why you laughing at my situation that's like that's what I like about police officers because you use a
39:04lot of scene to like laugh at like people's misery well obviously we come at things from different we
39:09come at things from different perspectives don't we yeah yeah yeah yeah cool but if I go to jail
39:13you're laughing at my misery that's rude that's what you call is rude we're just being friendly
39:22with you don't banter I didn't cotton on at first I thought well perhaps these are people's initials
39:49right you've got SA HH St Albans Hemel Hempstead they've labeled they've labeled the sim cards for
40:03the lines for the lines that they're running that's good enough because we are looking at
40:07county lines at the end of the day and you can you can bet your bottom dollar they're going to be
40:10exploring children to do that just sit around the other side for me please thank you the first
40:27question I have to ask you there's lots of sim cards found in your bedroom any reason for that do you
40:34never throw anything away when we download those where we find drug-related messages or contacts
40:46if you could just take your head off the the side I need to know that you're awake I need to know that
40:55you're awake I'm awake if I got my head down for the interview's sake I'm awake for everyone to know
41:01I'm just not talking if we find hundreds of wraps of crack and heroin in your Ford Focus does that
41:08surprise you what have we got here we've got crack and we've got heroin oh bugger me it's another
41:17customer do you want to answer it this phone's don't stop ringing all day you're a very busy drug dealer
41:25so I just looked I think there were six yeah I looked at all six sims so it looks like he's
41:44given these things out and then he's telling them what to do analysis of the captured sim cards reveals
41:50direct contact with one of the missing teenagers and so this is his mobile number so 45 out they're
41:56all outgoing again and 34 voice 11 text could have been experience of running for the line then and
42:04he's being instructed by the person holding the east line yeah which you would expect you know if he
42:09was he was working for them then generally it's going to be outgoing calls yeah they're going to be
42:14telling him go to this road go to that road the fact that we've got handle in the same room as the
42:20phone is is good but it we we know we can't put him need to put him hands-on that phone so I think CPS
42:28will be asking the question well whose phone is it then
42:31there's several roles in drug dealing there are the people that cut and bag the drugs there are the
42:47people that go out on the streets and sell the drugs well you somebody that exploits children
42:55exploits their vulnerability because of their age throw money at them big them up and then put them
43:05into trap houses in Sussex in Kent Cambridge all children from Luton one of the people on our radar is 15
43:17is he one of your runners part of your drug dealing empire not a very nice thing to do exploit children
43:27I just want this interview to finish okay it's the serious serious allegations I understand yeah you
43:38understand that I've got to ask your questions in this way yeah because it may be that you've said
43:43here's a bit serious mm-hmm what can you do don't think you'd like to say and we'll conclude this in
43:59what you're outside they've been explained to you what's happening it's all so you're getting sort
44:06of police belt I'm not liked around there might walk home and get stabbed I'm not liked around there
44:12serious serious it's it's a serious issue I'm not gonna walk home and risk my life it doesn't make
44:18sense I've been shot I've been stabbed it doesn't make sense and I've been stabbed could walk home
44:26get stabbed that's not safe for me I'll tell you that I haven't done nothing wrong in my life I'm a
44:34good individual I'm just a victim police like the evidence to connect Jamal and all to child
44:43exploitation it's the car where the drugs were found as a different registered owner
44:49it's careless it's dangerous that's what it is life you lead if the children and the juveniles that we
45:01deal with if they could perhaps have an insight into Jamal and all's life for instance that's
45:07going to be their life that's what's going to happen to them if they carry on down the path they're
45:11going so the office is going to come to take you home yeah okay
45:41we just had a an email come through from the Met police Gavin's gone missing again second time since
46:09Christmas I mean when you think you know it is a child a lost cause you always hope in your heart
46:23of hearts because you're a parent yourself you want that child to turn their life around to want to turn
46:29their life around and if they want to change then there are systems in place there are organizations in
46:34place that can help them the day we give up we might as well just throw in their badge and and walk away
46:40you know there's always hope that you can help change somebody's life
47:04you so you know I can help them better they need my health center and help them которые help personalize their health
47:13and family if they want to encourage anybody and happy them they want to be a happiness they want
47:14too soon
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