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00:01Good evening, Deputy Chief. How can I help you?
00:03What it is, I'm a lorry driver. I'm in Tobin and Services.
00:09And there's a lorry in front of me and there's a lot of banging coming from the trailer.
00:14It's a lorry from Dover.
00:16And you can hear lots of banging coming from it?
00:18Yeah, it is. Absolutely going mad.
00:21What's your emergency, please?
00:23I'm calling from the 4-4 at Tobin and Services.
00:25I'm banging from the Tobin and it's quite a good call.
00:27So, you can hear...
00:29Can you hear him? Still banging.
00:32What does the lorry contain? What good?
00:35It's a refrigerated lorry, is it?
00:37It's a refrigerated lorry.
00:38Bloody hell.
00:40Survival of the lorry. Are you not aware of the noise that's coming from there?
00:44They must be aware because they are really banging whoever's in the back of it.
00:49The trailer is like bouncing up and down at the moment.
00:53We're calling an ambulance as well because it's a refrigerated lorry.
00:57I'm sorry. Goodness me.
01:03New driver.
01:05Open it, fella.
01:07I need a tool to cut it.
01:08Where is it? Have you got a tool?
01:10No, no way.
01:11Don't you have anything to cut it with?
01:12No way.
01:13Hold on!
01:14I need both covers or something if you don't care.
01:18No, no, no.
01:22How did they get in?
01:24Or talk, maybe.
01:26Maybe.
01:27Maybe.
01:28Maybe.
01:29There you go.
01:36Century 7, please.
01:48Hey! Stay where you are!
01:49Any sudden moves?
01:50Yeah.
01:51Attempted murder.
01:53Attempted murder.
01:54Attempted murder.
01:55In the back!
01:56Once a suspect is in custody...
01:59All right!
02:01The police have just 24 hours to find out what really happened.
02:06The time is really ticking.
02:09Who's innocent?
02:12Who's guilty?
02:14We're good to go.
02:16This is your opportunity to talk to me.
02:19There's two sides to every single story.
02:38Stay there.
02:39Stay there.
02:40Stay there.
02:42How many we got?
02:43How many?
02:44How many?
02:46Fifteen.
02:47Fifteen.
02:48Fifteen people in the back.
02:49Oh, my goodness.
02:55Stay there!
02:57Only one minute.
02:59One minute.
03:00Mother and children, you stay there.
03:02Come on.
03:03Jump.
03:04Come on.
03:05That's a fine.
03:06Okay.
03:07One minute.
03:08You stay there.
03:09You stay there.
03:10Come on.
03:11Jump.
03:12Come on.
03:13That's a fine.
03:14Okay.
03:15Hello?
03:16One minute.
03:18You stay there.
03:19You stay there.
03:20You stay there.
03:21At this stage, you're all under arrest.
03:22I'll dispense you to legal entry to the UK.
03:24Use your portion of boys.
03:25Look how little you do.
03:26Sorry.
03:27Mum and two guests are raging.
03:29That's bad, isn't it?
03:30Yeah.
03:31It's terrible, isn't it?
03:32It's terrible, isn't it?
03:33Refrigerated as well.
03:34That's kind of freezing.
03:35Is that two degrees in there?
03:36Can I see what's in your hands?
03:37What have we got?
03:38Phone?
03:39Charger.
03:40I hope that's charmed first.
03:41Okay, take a seat.
03:44That's fine.
03:45That's fine.
03:46That's fine.
03:48I'll have a second.
03:49Take a seat.
03:51Woman, possibly.
03:52That's fine.
03:53Take a seat.
03:54That's fine.
03:55Take a seat.
03:56OK, take a seat.
04:05That's OK, take a seat.
04:07We'll look after your family.
04:09Two, four, six, eight, ten, twelve, yeah.
04:12Keep these as all your arrests.
04:14Someone needs to nick your driver, apparently.
04:17The officers arrest the driver on suspicion of smuggling the migrants into the country.
04:22OK.
04:23Dad, woman and kids.
04:24They're going to Luton as his lorry driver.
04:29With so many people under arrest,
04:31they will be dispersed to three different police stations across two counties.
04:35But the family will be kept together.
04:44Offences of people smuggling can carry a sentence of up to 14 years.
04:48It is a serious offence because not only is he potentially facilitating their entry into the UK, but he's also putting their lives at risk.
05:00It's a refrigerated lorry.
05:02They're in there in a confined space for a long, long period of time.
05:06So, that's no way to treat any human being.
05:11What flavor pizzas have we got?
05:14One more piece.
05:15Right, I'm going to go ahead and start booking those five, six in.
05:27Right, so we've got these four and how many?
05:29And mum.
05:29And mum and two kids.
05:31Yeah.
05:31I would suggest the children aren't coming in custody.
05:36Initially, let mum go in with kids and get them settled.
05:40I don't just want to bring her here and then part her from the kids,
05:43because that's not going to do the kids any good and it's not going to do mum any good.
05:45But these four, come in, come in, come in, come in.
05:51What language?
05:52Romanian.
05:53Romanian?
05:53And you don't know these?
05:57This gentleman here is the driver.
06:01Oh, the Romanian one is the driver?
06:02Yeah.
06:03Oh, OK, that's fine.
06:04If you can tell him that the offence he's been arrested for
06:09is facilitating illegal entry into the United Kingdom.
06:14People are obviously here illegally, but they didn't do it on their own.
06:19There would be some kind of plan in place.
06:21It has to be organised.
06:22You can't do something like that just off the cuff.
06:25It's obviously big business.
06:27Organised crime, it profits from vulnerable people,
06:31and that is the sad reality of it.
06:33Come, come.
06:35His name is Haman Majid Aziz.
06:38That one?
06:40Kurdish.
06:42Where do you come from?
06:44Iraq.
06:48OK, sit down.
06:50Please, you.
06:52Toilet, yes, in a minute.
06:54Sit, please.
06:57OK?
06:59No?
07:00What's wrong?
07:01OK.
07:02Get filters and have a look, yeah?
07:04Which one feels sick?
07:05You?
07:06Go that one.
07:06You all right?
07:14He's not feeling better.
07:16He says he's got a headache.
07:18Yeah, I've got one being sick, one...
07:20Yeah, he's saying I'm feeling a bit sick.
07:21I've called the ambulance.
07:22Ambulance is on the roof.
07:23Well, he can stay at it.
07:26What, you're called an ambulance for him?
07:27Yeah.
07:28OK, well, he can stay there.
07:30The two that are ill, him and maybe right there, do we suspect there's any connection?
07:35Or do we suspect it's just because they've been in the back of a lorry?
07:38Yeah.
07:39Are you going to find out what's the matter with him?
07:40Are you going to find out what's the matter with him in case it's to do with that?
07:43Yeah.
07:44Yeah, thank you.
07:45Hi, it's Cassidy at Luton.
07:47Hi, sorry to trouble you on this line, but as you're aware, well, I think you're aware
07:52of this lorry drop, we've got two throwing up, they're hot and sweaty, they're running
07:58fevers.
08:02There's the driver, but I think he's OK, and we've got four in the back and the female
08:08and the two children.
08:09So, casualty-wise, potentially, you've got, potentially, yeah, potentially, yeah.
08:23The ones that have been sick, apparently, what their symptoms are showing, they're thrown
08:28up, they're tachycardic and their oxygen levels and stuff are showing that it is carbon monoxide
08:33poison.
08:39Hi, I'm calling from Luton Custody.
08:45Hello.
08:46We've got five lorry drops that I believe are coming to you or Stevenage, and I'm not sure
08:50where.
08:51No, no, we've got 15.
08:52Five are going to us, five are going to Bedford, and five are either going to you or Stevenage.
08:58Right, you need to call an ambulance for them as soon as they get there.
09:02All of ours are currently being checked out by Ambo and all going to hospital, because
09:06they've been in a refrigerated lorry that's leaking.
09:08Well, they're not because that poison's not contagious, surely?
09:13No, it's not.
09:14So, why have they masked them all up?
09:15It could be an infection, it could be something more sinister.
09:37He's going with us, not that she wants him to go with them.
09:39Normally, I'm like, cuff them all, but they want to be here, they're not going to run away.
09:46We have to risk-manage what we've got.
09:49Come this way.
09:50Come this way.
09:58The medics need to take the migrants for tests to establish the true cause of their illness.
10:09How are you doing?
10:16All right, it's Mo.
10:18Basically, what's happened is there's been a health scare.
10:22It's possibly believed it could be a viral infection, causing some serious issues here.
10:27The ambulance are treating it very seriously, and there's some suggestion that they could
10:32be calling it a major incident.
10:33Yeah, the truck driver's been arrested.
10:37Obviously, he's not a major concern at the moment.
10:39The migrants have been placed in quarantine at the hospital.
10:58What do they suspect they've got?
11:02I don't know.
11:02They must suspect they've got something else.
11:04We need to find out, are they treating it as contagious or whatever it be?
11:11Is it something that we need to be concerned about with everyone who's come into contact
11:14with them?
11:15Could you imagine if God forbid something like that happened, and it would be a wipeout section?
11:18Well, that or D section would be wiped out, wouldn't it?
11:20I mean, if it ends up being potentially a virus, then the fact is that it's such a big public
11:28scare, that there is a virus within the area, so not only does it affect our workforce, it
11:34also affects the larger community as well.
11:37We're all going to be quarantined.
11:46I've got the...
11:47Does Marezeez know?
11:48Because he's just walked into our office.
11:50You're staying all right?
11:52Bear with us.
11:53Oscar 1.
11:54It's a serious viral incident.
11:56Custody's closed.
11:57We're all quarantined.
11:59The officers that are at hospital with the immigration will remain there until we know for sure,
12:03so they're not going to get relieved, and everybody else that's had any contact with custody will
12:09remain on station until we know anything different.
12:11This is like...
12:12Do you watch The Walking Dead?
12:14Anyone?
12:14The Walking Dead?
12:15No, you're not telling me about it.
12:16No?
12:16Well, this is how it starts, you know, a deadly virus, you know.
12:21This could be the zombie apocalypse starting.
12:33A new team that comes in at midnight to relieve you lot, I would say, don't come within the
12:48boundaries of the station until we know what's going on.
12:56Due to what happened earlier on, are you aware of what happened earlier on with the
13:00immigration prisoners, custody's closed, and Bedford is closed, and we're sort of quarantined,
13:08so disappear quickly.
13:10This is what's going on.
13:11They're calling a major incident.
13:13Closing custody here.
13:14All the officers have had contact, which is half of the section now.
13:18I've had contact with you, you've had contact with somebody else, because it's a viral infection.
13:21You could potentially, you could be passing it on to each other.
13:25Your initial thoughts are, selfishly, oh my God, my own health.
13:28If I don't have my health, then how can I look after my family?
13:33Yeah, keep on liading with me, and then let me know how we're getting on here with us.
13:37At Toddington Services on the M1, a local farmer is checking his land for more illegal immigrants,
13:59after hearing of tonight's arrests.
14:00We've heard that there's another load being picked up off the motorway tonight.
14:06Their first view is our farm, you see, that's the problem.
14:09I wonder if we see anything out of here now.
14:11Put the light out down further on.
14:13Well, quite easy hiding there, couldn't we?
14:15Yeah, it could do, yeah.
14:16Sitting there while we dive up.
14:18If he catches any trespassers, he will turn them in to the police.
14:21Early days, it was just, you had a few chances, and then this last year and a bit,
14:27it got to the point where more organised people were coming in.
14:32We've had the police helicopter out hundreds of times.
14:37For all we know, they could be hiding in the woods right now.
14:41You can't see them, you don't know they're there, do you?
14:42Don't know whether someone might be a rapist, and the woman walks by here.
14:45What chance has she got?
14:49See, like, the orange markers on the tree?
14:53So that could be an indicator where to head to.
14:57Food.
14:58Another foreign label, olives.
15:01They've come from Afghanistan, Romanians, Albanians, early days.
15:06I think it's more of them that are doing the trafficking now.
15:10It's like a rat.
15:11You see one rat, and they say there's another half a dozen,
15:14which is nine times out of ten true.
15:17So, I mean, it's the same as these immigrants.
15:19I mean, I'm not calling them rats, but at the same time,
15:22if you see one, how many others have come across undetected?
15:28Matt, hello, mate. It's Darren Torelli.
15:29Is the inspector down there?
15:34I need to ask him some questions, mate.
15:37I know you're busy.
15:39Do we need to clean any of the bits where they've been sick and that sort of stuff?
15:42I mean, like, is that...?
15:43They have had their consultant, senior consultant,
15:46that's examined them, and they don't have any concerns.
15:49They've had their initial screening down the hospital,
15:52and it's all clear.
15:54No-one is being quarantined, and it's all good.
15:56Oh, no-one's being quarantined?
15:57So, lates can go, so people like Jules and all them, they can go, yeah?
16:00They've been given all clear here.
16:02Cheers. Bye-bye-bye.
16:03That's the answer.
16:03It's all good. It's all good.
16:05The hospital have decided that it's safe to return the migrants to police custody.
16:12I heard a van pull up and the back door's open,
16:15so I assumed it was going to be them.
16:19The men will be kept under arrest,
16:21which means the father is separated from his wife and children,
16:25who will be dealt with by the immigration services.
16:27The mum and the kids who have gone to the hotel...
16:31Yeah, you keep them, that's fine,
16:32because we're literally going to be just deleting them in custody,
16:35because they're obviously not coming back here anymore.
16:37OK.
16:37Well, I thought,
16:51I will be able to see them.
16:53I will be able to see them.
16:58When I was in the first of my early days,
17:01I always knew that they were going to be taken.
17:04I don't know how to take their children,
17:05but I don't know how to do things,
17:06I didn't know how to get out of my house.
17:08We had a lot of friends and friends and friends.
17:16I was very happy to get out of my house.
17:18I didn't see anything.
17:29But I was very happy to get out of my house.
17:32I was happy to get out of my house.
17:36I don't want to use myself, I'm a man.
17:40I love a good life, I love my life.
17:43I have three to learn more.
17:48I only find a person who has gew tuber deno.
17:52I never know how I can do it.
17:54I have never heard anything I can do.
17:58I don't know how to write a letter.
18:01I do not know how to write a letter.
18:05Our home is on that.
18:08We've got the records, we've got the norm.
18:11Yes, it is nice.
18:13But when we get to work on our cycling,
18:16then we have at the next 2-day hours,
18:18just like that night.
18:20We are on the other side,
18:23and we can't make things happen,
18:26seeing as we do the next 3-day hours,
18:29and when all the time we get to go and get to work,
18:33I have a baby.
18:39Ah, Hemin, where are you from?
18:42Iraq.
18:42Iraq as well?
18:43Baghdad.
18:44Baghdad?
18:46I don't know how you spell Baghdad.
18:47B-A-H.
18:49B-A-G-H, sorry.
18:50Dad.
18:51If you can just explain to him that obviously he's been detained here at the police station now,
18:56as it is suspected that he has entered the United Kingdom illegally.
19:00So we will be keeping him here at the police station.
19:03until such time as the immigration services do speak to him and decide what they are going to do.
19:33Okay, go with my colleague.
20:03Okay, go with my brother.
20:07I don't know, I'll see you in the next couple of days.
20:12I'll see you in the next couple of days.
20:15I'll see you in the next couple of days.
20:18I'll see you next time.
20:25I'll see you next time.
20:33We don't live in a war-strucken place.
20:36You know, the things that they see in a day-to-day life,
20:40it's probably horrific, aren't they?
20:42And what they're fleeing from is horrific.
20:46If the reason they are doing it is to give their children a better life,
20:50then, you know, you can sympathise with that.
20:53Your first instinct in any situation
20:56is always to look after and protect your children.
20:59You know, that is the first and only thing
21:02that goes through your mind in any situation.
21:32The whole immigration thing is such a big issue, isn't it, in England?
21:37All we see is that, you know, we fit, we get the brunt of it.
21:40It drains our resources.
21:42Police officers everywhere, down in the hospital and that sort of stuff.
21:44And it literally just drains our resources,
21:46takes up all our cell space.
21:49And it's nothing to do with us, it's all immigration.
21:51It's six o'clock on Thursday the 27th of August.
22:05Good morning, this is Today with Michelle Hussain and John Humphreys.
22:08The BBC News is read by Neil Sleet.
22:11A group of dead migrants has been found in the back of a lorry
22:14abandoned on a motorway lay-by in Austria.
22:16Our correspondent James Reynolds is at the lay-by and sent this report.
22:20The red police tape to the side of the motorway in front of me
22:24outlines where the truck was found.
22:26This morning, the police discovered bodies locked in the back
22:30in such a state that it's hard to tell just how many there were
22:33or when they died.
22:36A significant incident of note that I know you've seen the email
22:39in relation to is the arrest of the illegal immigrants late last night
22:43and the impact that's had on custody at Kempst and Luton and in Harps
22:47and the medical condition or not of those that were detained
22:51and the closure of our custody suites have requested a debrief
22:56in relation to that to try and pull out the learning moving forward.
23:00And that's obviously reflected within the near miss.
23:03Can I just be kept up to date with regards to how quickly
23:06immigration are getting out to process the 15 that we've got in?
23:11Because clearly that's going to have a significant impact
23:15on our custody estate.
23:21Responsibility for dealing with the driver will now fall to investigating officer Nash Hussain.
23:33I'm always emotionally detached from an investigation.
23:36I used to be very soft.
23:38To be honest with you, I think I've done it for like four or five years now
23:41and it's not a, oh, this is a bit nasty or this is a bit sad.
23:45Um, I think you kind of block those feelings out and you just,
23:49it's professional from the moment you kind of get the paperwork.
23:52Drivers suspected have known that illegal immigrants were in the back of his lorry
23:57when he entered the United Kingdom.
23:5915 suspected illegal immigrants found in the rear of his lorry
24:02at Northbound Service Station, Toddington, Bedfisher.
24:05You've seen the news headlines as well in Austria today?
24:07What's that?
24:08There's 50 immigrants found in the back of a lorry dead today.
24:10Ooh, they're suffocating to death, haven't they?
24:13That could have been us.
24:18If he knew there were people in the back of the lorry,
24:20how can you then abandon those people and let them die?
24:22That is murder in itself, isn't it?
24:24If you think about it, you've allowed those people just to die,
24:27knowing that they're in there, knowing that they can't breathe,
24:29they're suffocating.
24:30He's just probably taking the money and gone.
24:34There has been no investigation into the driver's case overnight
24:38because of the closure of custody.
24:43Do you want to come with me?
24:51I'm going up to Toddington Services.
24:56They arrested a lorry driver for illegal entry to the UK last night,
24:59facilitating, so we're meeting immigration up there.
25:02They said, like, they have to check whether the seal's broken,
25:06there's money inside the cabin, things like that.
25:08He's got a break and his tracker doesn't match.
25:11The best evidence will come from the tachograph,
25:13the lorry's tracking device,
25:15which will demonstrate whether the lorry made any unscheduled stops
25:18to pick up the migrants.
25:20And then that will tell us whether he knew they were in the lorry
25:24or whether they just put themselves in the lorry, basically.
25:33Leading the search is an officer from Immigration Enforcement.
25:37It's bloody organised.
25:40Look all the way down.
25:41Yeah.
25:42Sleeping bags down there.
25:43Oh, yeah, I can see.
25:44This is organised.
25:46They knew they were getting back into a vacuum refrigerator lorry.
25:52I'm going a little bit suspicious about the driver.
25:54Right, OK.
25:55Paramedics called a major incident because they suspected carbon monoxide poisoning.
26:00Right.
26:01My concern is they were all feeling a bit woozy when they came out.
26:06How do we know there's not someone dead in the back of the lorry?
26:10Oh, dear God.
26:11A lorry driver is in custody,
26:24suspected of bringing 15 migrants illegally into the UK.
26:31Police are searching his refrigerated vehicle.
26:34Right up there.
26:35Somebody else is going to be...
26:36Yes.
26:37I just have to stand there.
26:38Right.
26:41A lot of two litre urine bottles filled up.
26:45Some faeces and...
26:47Oh, that's a urine bottle.
26:49Urine and faeces.
26:50I think that's what's made him ill.
26:51Yeah.
26:53No bodies.
26:55No one out in the back.
26:56Right, shall we get back?
26:58That's interesting.
27:00It's got a seal.
27:01It's still intact.
27:02Right.
27:03But it's not through...
27:04But it's not through anything.
27:06And all he's seeing...
27:08It's the middle of the night.
27:09It's still intact.
27:10Right, OK.
27:11Quite a lot of what we're doing should be to check in to see if it's been cut.
27:15And that's quite clearly been cut.
27:17However, just because that's cut, who's to say that's not the new way...
27:22That they do.
27:23...of making the driver look innocent?
27:24True.
27:25If I was really suspicious of this driver, I would seize all of these.
27:28OK.
27:29Any evidence suggesting undeclared stops will be seized, along with the tachograph.
27:36That's the tachograph up there.
27:37It's amazing what you can tell from a tachograph.
27:39It can marry up with tourists, it's tracking the driver's journey across Europe.
27:45Yeah.
27:46So you want sat-nav, phones...
27:48So you can seize that, yeah?
27:50Cool.
27:51You can seize that, please.
27:54Sorry, what was that seal number again?
27:560-1-1-5-4-1.
27:58That matches out there?
27:59Yeah.
28:00We know that the seal matches the seal on the back.
28:03So he's pulled on the seal and made sure it's all right.
28:07But they've broken it, so it's probably got some bot cars.
28:10Put it through the back of the handlers and then let them in.
28:14But then the thing that makes me suspicious is they do that
28:17and you're sleeping in your lorry, surely you'd hear the noise.
28:20All of this has gone straight to the wash, including the fleece.
28:35Investigating officer Nash Hussain must quickly analyse the evidence
28:39and put it to the suspect.
28:46Look at the state of me.
28:47And I stink to high heaven.
28:48I think the yoghurt's curdled on my trousers.
28:51I do apologise for the smell, though.
28:59Let's do your fingerprints.
29:00Come with me.
29:01How many were in there?
29:0215, including kiddies.
29:05The seal was intact, but it looks like the bolt cutters have been used
29:08to cut the back of the lorry.
29:10So when he's checked it, he's not checked it properly.
29:12But the thing that made her suspicious was the fact that there's these sleeping bags.
29:16So how would they know about sleeping bags if...
29:19How were the sleeping bags in the back unless they were organised in some way
29:22and the driver knew they were in there?
29:24Interview.
29:26Yeah, you'll be getting interviewed today.
29:28Lorry drivers are getting cleverer.
29:31There's new ways of covering your tracks.
29:35If you could look straight at me, please.
29:37And to be honest, if you've got a people smuggler behind you, he's probably watching the news.
29:43There may be a corrupt official.
29:47At the end of the day, they just don't want to be caught, do they?
29:49So they're going to do all they can to prevent that from happening.
29:54It's an either way offence.
29:56Six months in prison or fine and maximum 14 years for assisting someone enter the UK unlawfully.
30:05Hefty.
30:06Do you live in this country or do you live in the UK?
30:09No, I'm a lorry driver.
30:12Is it good money, lorry driver? Good money?
30:15In pounds. 800 pounds.
30:18A month?
30:19Yeah.
30:20It's not bad.
30:22Hello, it's Nash from the community south office.
30:24I've spoken to Paul Hollis, the guy, the lorry driver that rang it in.
30:27He's basically said I was asleep at the time, then I woke up because I heard the banging.
30:30I saw the door flexing and at that point I called the police.
30:33But at no point did the lorry driver go around to the back to check it or anything.
30:38I'll do that then.
30:39Cool, cool.
30:40Thank you very much for your help.
30:42The next thing is a taco, so I need to ring up control room.
30:46To see whether he stopped to pick them up, I think that is the key.
30:49Because if he's got a break and his tracker doesn't match what his lorry is showing,
30:53if he's going at low speeds, then it shows maybe that he's aware that there's people in the back.
30:58Hello.
30:59Are the new traffic units on now?
31:02Ah, okay.
31:04It needs to be ACP.
31:05The clock's really ticking on this one.
31:08When I heard somebody inside, I stopped.
31:15Come with me.
31:16Yeah.
31:19Hi, Steve, it's Nash.
31:23Hi, just to let you know, the interpreter will be here for 3.40.
31:27His clock runs at 10 to 7, so it's literally three hours.
31:32There was no money found.
31:34The seal on the back of the lorry was still intact.
31:38However, it looked like it had been broken into, so whether he's done it or whether they've done it, we don't know.
31:42Yeah.
31:44Bye.
31:453.40, so this is going to be 3.40.
31:47The time is really ticking.
31:48No smoking allowed in this police station.
31:49We can give you Tringham, Nicorette Tringham, but unfortunately no smoking allowed.
32:03Foreigners here must be very, very careful.
32:04Very careful.
32:05You can mistake in every second.
32:06I cross Calais every week, and more and more and more day by day.
32:09I live in Romania, and Romania was the same situation in Ceausescu, Iraq.
32:10Many, many Romanian people.
32:11What's proceed like?
32:12This is what's going to be a very long time ago.
32:13You know, I live in Romania, and Romania was the same situation in Ceausescu, Iraq.
32:15Many, many Romanian people.
32:18in every second I cross Calais every week and more and more and more day by
32:26day I live in Romania and Romania was the same situation in Ceausescu era many
32:34many Romanian people was perceived like this immigrant identical in lorries in
32:45the trains in the airplanes
32:51it's desperate actions it's big I don't know
33:05stop banging the door wait we're very busy
33:11so Kurdish is m7 and 9 so I'll do them too
33:20hemin will be released without being interviewed his case will be handed over to the immigration
33:27services so if I just explain to you briefly what we're doing then you can explain it to
33:35them they are going to reside at an address in London which is stated on this paperwork they
33:41have to reside at this home address in London they cannot obviously leave and go elsewhere
33:46and they are not allowed to then go and work and things like that as well
33:51if I'm honest I don't know where they are because they were if you just explain to them they were put in
34:06a hotel here in Luton and I don't know where they have gone to now I don't know whether they've been
34:14sent down to this house as well I don't I can't answer that question what he needs to do is when
34:19the immigration services speak to him he can ask them
34:23okay interpreter if he can just pop another signature on this pad please just say I'm releasing
34:35him okay okay thank you thank you okay thank you very much thank you thank you all done there must be so
34:50many immigrants out there are not accounted for over the last couple of months you know the amount
34:55we've had have been astronomical but that's the ones that have been caught you know what about all
35:00these other ones that haven't been caught solicitors here for you and interpreters in there as well yeah
35:07it says facilitation is extremely difficult to prove unless the vehicle is counted at port of entry
35:12the case hinges on whether the lorry was stopped at Dover if it was stopped the police will be able
35:22to prove that the migrants boarded the lorry before it entered the UK two hours 50 minutes
35:27yeah Jonathan come through all right can I ask you take a seat in that corner for me please when I
35:38ask you questions can I ask you to please loudly and clearly so that the recording Commission can hear
35:43your answers okay this interview has been audio visually recorded and may be using evidence if your case goes to
35:50call the date is Thursday the 27th of August 2015 you've been arrested on suspicion of facilitating
35:57illegal entry into the UK you'll vehicle at 15 illegal immigrants in the back sentencing guidelines apply
36:04so no point before that did you realize there were people in the truck that was the first time you
36:22realize people were in the truck how did you feel at that point when you realized you had people in the
36:35back were you given any money to bring these people over
36:51into the country we had found sleeping bags in the back of the lorry do you have any idea how they got
36:58there we seized a phone some laptops and sat nav on any of these devices will we see you communicating
37:15with somebody else to bring these people into the country okay just going back right to the beginning
37:24of your journey when you went to the checking point did they open up your lorry and again at that
37:48point did they check to see whether your seal was intact so you got off at Dover but you weren't stopped to
37:56be checked so you just drove straight out of Dover moment in car am I don't know what I'm
38:02going to call the casa de securitate for the city of it so no stupid they didn't signal you to stop you just
38:07carried on okay all right we'll stop here there's now 17 32 if he wasn't checked when he came off at
38:16Dover and he was allowed straight through it makes it difficult to prove whether that person knew people
38:23were there prior to them entering the UK with only an hour and a half left on the clock before the suspect
38:35must be charged or released investigating officer Nash Usain needs to check whether the lorry driver's story
38:41can be confirmed by border control he wasn't checked ah thank you so much it's very frustrating to be
38:55honest because you put a lot of effort into something you've gathered as much evidence as
38:59you possibly can turn around and get to that point where you actually you can't go any further please
39:04help me I have an hour left on my clock well I kind of fire away but this is this lorry driver that
39:09they picked up I think the problem with us lies the fact that he wasn't checked at the board when
39:15he came off at Dover so they signaled him straight through do you think with the issues of Calais
39:22they'll be shit hard when you exactly and border checks have been done he wasn't checked at the
39:32border no trace brilliant she said don't bother doing the taco either because he wasn't checked if
39:39he had been checked it'd be different but he wasn't checked so it's a bit of a moot point
39:42it's pointless okay great
39:46a romanian driver suspected of people smuggling has just revealed that he wasn't checked before
40:03entering the country have you checked his alleyway spoken to the manager spoken to the witness and it
40:09all checks out transport manager told us that the lorry driver had banging in the back of his lorry
40:16so he rang him and said sorry panicking what should I do what should I do so he told him to pull over
40:21at Toddington services he had no idea that these people in the back he's not been paid for anything
40:26like that seal on the back of the lorry was not broken and it matched the seal that was found on the
40:32paperwork everything matches up without sufficient evidence to charge the driver will be freed can you
40:41just explain that we've gone for everything spoken to everyone and no further action this is as far as
40:46concerned and you can go in one day you can prove my innocence something it's a big deal
41:07to them myself already you know
41:0827 hours awful but it's a lesson I don't know be careful be more careful I don't know
41:24was a big surprise when the policeman opened the door and those faces to those children looking
41:37to me why to me it was three four policemen no to me no good to remember this now my fault for their
41:54situation I don't know I can't do anything to help them my life is hard enough but
42:06it's not our problem that that's why our other person to solve this
42:36is
42:43and
42:48is
42:52Oh
43:11Does he know where his wife and children are now
43:16Nana the moa
43:18Do you know what you're doing?
43:21Basso tianleotien tell the khabarabni
43:28The baroiby bb a wana chukat down a brab in chanagish illo narah hati a bar piy gubal
43:37Awaika pien bkria bittu aannum buyanakam ammishteg
43:41Awaikkala dasi menabe buyanakam
43:45Ijian buyanajwaan
43:48Thank you very much.
43:50Thank you very much.
43:52Thank you very much.
44:18Thank you very much.
44:49If you could just ask her to tell us the story of how she got onto the truck.
45:12Did the driver know that they were in the back?
45:14No, no.
45:15No, he didn't.
45:19No, no.
45:20But there wasn't any pictures that of my mom's Mom,
45:24and I let her know that there was a distance from her.
45:27There was a clean self-serve with her.
45:29She didn't know anything.
45:31I couldn't see her.
45:34I couldn't see her.
45:48Eight days after being separated, and after all the requests to the authorities for help
45:55had failed, Hemin and his wife, Jian, were reunited by finding each other on Facebook.
46:18Hemin and his family have had their asylum claim refused.
46:28They are appealing.
46:30Nine o'clock next Wednesday, another police
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