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24 Hours in Police Custody S00E34 Nightclub Predator Part 2
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00:00.
00:05Times 1347, you're under arrest and suspicion of rape.
00:08Rape.
00:10So Craig France remains in custody in relation to rape
00:14and also voyeurism offences.
00:17I woke up losing his shower, washing himself.
00:21He's kept blood on him.
00:24And you say from that night, you don't remember?
00:27My mind is literally, like, blank. I don't remember one thing.
00:30Examination of digital devices have revealed
00:33some really, really harrowing videos.
00:36Oh, my gosh.
00:38He is pulling her naked along the concrete floor.
00:42It looks like he's potentially committing sexual assaults
00:45on a significant number of females.
00:48There's cameras all over the house.
00:51Interestingly, the windows are obviously blacked out.
00:53Yeah, they're all blacked out.
00:55How many images are we looking at?
00:57So there's 10,000 in the first one.
00:59These are all different women.
01:01Trying to identify some of these other females
01:04within the videos who are unconscious.
01:08We're talking about visiting multiple young women
01:11and actually informing them that they might be victims.
01:14She's unconscious here, Craig.
01:16In 15 years, I've not ever seen anything close to this.
01:27It's crucial that we find the truth.
01:29Come here!
01:31Hands on your back!
01:33Got to question everything.
01:35Believe nobody.
01:37It's almost a game of chess.
01:39Trying to get them to slip up.
01:41This is your opportunity to talk to me.
01:43It hurt me more than anything because he was someone that you could trust.
02:02Well, you'd think you could trust him.
02:04He didn't seem threatening or dangerous or anything at all.
02:11He was just very arms open with inviting people back to his for after parties.
02:16He definitely planned who he was going to befriend or who he was going to bring back home.
02:27You can just see the way he would be and he'd, like, look for, like,
02:33the girls who were more drunk than others.
02:41It was definitely planned and he definitely knew what he was doing
02:44when it come to taking the women back home.
02:50There was something about the way that he was around people,
02:53especially around women and the way he talked about women.
02:58There was a deep tone of misogyny there.
03:01But it sort of...
03:02It was brushed off almost as, you know,
03:05he's just one of the boys.
03:06It's just a laugh, like...
03:10This is just what men are like, almost, sort of, attitude.
03:13Thinking about it now, it just makes me feel sick.
03:16I mean, it's just, like, grooming.
03:19It makes me feel violated.
03:22All good. Thank you.
03:33Yeah, thank you.
03:34Time is now 17.39.
03:41Two victims alleging sexual offences against you at this stage.
03:45There appear to be more Craig looking at your phone devices.
03:55Who is Craig? Tell me about you.
03:57Nicole.
03:59What are your interests, hobbies?
04:01Nicole.
04:02Why would a male of your age engage in any sexual activity with barely adult females, Craig?
04:13Do you go out with the intention to groom young females, Craig?
04:17No, come on.
04:18You're layering them in.
04:19You're creating the sense of them being wanted by you.
04:24You're providing them with a place of safety.
04:28But they're not safe, are they, Craig?
04:31No, come on.
04:32The material found so far on your phones and material provided by the victims that we have at the moment would indicate that you are a sexual predator, Craig.
04:49Why did you record this?
04:51Was it for your own sexual gratification?
04:55Safekeep?
04:57What do you get out of this?
05:00No problem.
05:02Do you believe, by saying no comment, this is just going to go away?
05:11I can see you getting a little bit tearful and upset.
05:14Is there anything I can do?
05:16No.
05:18What's upsetting you, Nick?
05:19Nothing.
05:21Just the whole thing.
05:22Just the whole thing.
05:23What about it?
05:24No problem.
05:31I am going to end this interview unless anyone else want to say something.
05:42No.
05:44Normally, I would take people that bailed. I am not going to be saying that on this occasion.
05:55Thank you so much for today. And you.
05:57And you.
06:05Let's pop across the room next door.
06:06Let's go.
06:07Let's go.
06:08Let's go.
06:14With the suspect's police interview concluded, officers from the rape investigation team believe they have sufficient evidence to charge.
06:23I'll make it very clear now. I'm going to be authorising charges.
06:25Now, clearly you have a number of videos.
06:28Yes.
06:30Some of them aren't conscious and he's sexually aroused and touching them. Is that a fair description?
06:34Yeah, that's a fair description.
06:36I've got 20 plus victims.
06:41Have you managed to trace any of those girls yet?
06:43At the moment, no.
06:45We're trying to align the videos to effectively identify the other potential victims.
06:50The sheer number of victims that currently, we don't know who they are, but he does.
06:55I think there's a real potential of interference with justice around those.
06:59Has the suspect got any PNC history?
07:01He's got a previous conviction for dangerous driving in 2012.
07:03Is that it?
07:05Yeah.
07:06Is he in the frame or been suspected of any sex offence, offences against women, anything?
07:12No.
07:18We know that perpetrators manipulate people.
07:22Perhaps one of the reasons that he hasn't come to our attention before is his ability to enable victims to think that his behaviour is normal.
07:31He is very well known within the nightlife scene in Peterborough.
07:35They know Craig France.
07:37They know he's a nice guy, buys loads of drinks, encourage them to come back to his house where he'd have parties.
07:43You know, this is the way in which he operates.
07:45Craig, we just need to get you up to the desk.
07:58But what we see that he is recorded and documented are not the actions of someone that should be trusted.
08:03They're the actions of a sexual predator.
08:06Okay, so you've been charged with following offences.
08:07You've been charged with rape of a woman over 16, country section 1 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003.
08:20Intentionally penetrated the vagina of a woman with your penis.
08:23If you did not consent and you did not reason to believe that she was consenting.
08:26You can just firefully be on the side.
08:30Craig, we're going to be refusing your bail.
08:32It's a possibility that you could be able to bear with witnesses.
08:35We can have further offenses.
08:36So, we'll have a shower, anything to eat.
08:39If there's nothing else, we'll get down to the cell, alright?
08:41Alright.
08:54Jobs don't normally get me, but this is...
08:56No, it's very bad.
08:59It's probably the worst I've seen, in fairness.
09:02If you continue to try and identify any potential victims from the footage that we've got,
09:14and then are some of these films that he's doing, you know, is he selling them?
09:19And that's the last question right on the finances.
09:22She said he's shown home a video of him having sexual intercourse.
09:27He sort of said, oh, well, I do keep these things.
09:29I believe he's been sending them a while.
09:35I was in a group chat with Craig and some other people that, like, we've met through clubbing.
09:42One of our mutual friends mentioned something about the video.
09:47I've never mentioned no video to him.
09:49And I told him, like, I didn't even remember what happened that night.
09:52I didn't even know it got recorded.
09:54Officers review messages found on the suspect's phone.
10:00He's messaging a WhatsApp group with several other people.
10:19He sends one message, we fuck, then she feels like she's going to be sick, then we fuck again.
10:25Sends a picture of her, looks like she's thrown up into the bucket, saying she's fucked lads.
10:31His, um, one of his relatives is part of that WhatsApp group.
10:36Some time later, it's around about a week later, the relative messages France and says, send me that video again of you dragging.
10:48I want to show mum.
10:53Craig then sends the video and the relative replies, lol, she laughed.
10:57Um, so we've got, presumably the one being dragged on the concrete, and obviously they've just thrown it amusing.
11:05France sends video and images of himself engaging in penetrative activity.
11:14This chap comments, it looks like a classic rape scene.
11:18Blood shears out of it.
11:20I now have an Insta360, and it's a really small camera you can mount anywhere.
11:29You can mount it in city places, it's so small.
11:31And it's less protruding than the other one.
11:33So I can record much better videos.
11:35That camera does look pretty sick, bro.
11:38You can win it whilst fucking and then send me the video.
11:41It's going to be really relevant to be looking at all communication.
11:56We've obviously got some concerns about some of the France families when they've been sent the videos.
12:03As a human, as a member of society, it really is quite horrifying when you look at the context of his messages.
12:13Photos that were shared between him and his friends, none of them are of the view that there is a problem with what he's doing.
12:22And actually some of them are joking about the fact that it looks like a rape scene.
12:28Well, it did look like a rape scene because that is exactly what it was.
12:32And the fact that we have individuals in our society that find that acceptable is really disturbing.
12:43We have mobile phone and camera footage of what I believe him to be raping and or sexually assaulting, assault by penetration, voyeurism offences on upwards of 20 different females.
13:01And many of these females would appear to be either unconscious or stupefied by drink and or drugs.
13:10So the minute we have identification for two of the victims.
13:17A day after being charged and remanded to prison to await trial for rape, Craig France makes an application to be freed on bail.
13:31I'm being told there might be issues at court around that they're really hung up on this issue of consent.
13:40It looks like they're going to try and use that to allow him to walk free from court today.
13:44So we've got somebody at court. We need to make sure that they're linking in with a lawyer.
13:48I can get Mark Hodgson to go there.
13:54This individual absolutely should not be in the community.
13:58The depravity of which he exposes people to. Why on earth would we let him back on the street?
14:03The stakes are really high. The scale and scope of the offending by France at this point is still not fully known.
14:18If provided bail, our concern would be he would continue to offend.
14:22Well, it's ridiculous, isn't it? Really.
14:34Update. The court have agreed to bail.
14:37He's essentially stood up and said that he's a previous good character and this is a bit of a witch hunt.
14:46I can't believe that. Bail.
14:49Yeah?
14:50That is unbelievable.
14:52So what are they doing? Keeping him in until tomorrow to go to Crown for an appeal?
14:55Yeah, so we've appealed it. He's in prison. But yeah.
14:59They're suggesting that there is consent, therefore the rapes aren't made out.
15:03They're almost taking the defendant's word for why he shouldn't be in prison and accepting it as gospel.
15:11And it's just ridiculous.
15:13He's just manipulating the court in the same way he's manipulated the victims.
15:17Yeah.
15:18We've obviously appealed.
15:20So he will remain on remand and it will now be deferred to the Crown Court for them to make a decision.
15:28He's going to court Monday.
15:30There's a number of people out there that clearly need protecting from him because he will know that we've got videos and we'll be trying to find them.
15:37He knows who they are. He's potentially trying to make them not talk to the police and we need to identify them first.
15:44Unless Cambridgeshire police find more evidence to persuade the court to reverse their decision to bail, Craig France will be free until his trial begins.
15:54You can see that she's got quite distinctive tattoo on her arm there as well.
16:01Some of it we can run through software.
16:04We can see that this image was taken at these coordinates.
16:07We've got DVLA databases, passport databases.
16:13Give us an overview.
16:14I think you started images on AWC 01.
16:19There's primarily videos, 198 of them.
16:23There are upwards of nine different females captured.
16:27There's no indication to suggest that they're a participating party.
16:30About ten videos here.
16:35The reason I think it's her is because of these grey shorts.
16:452004, there's a referral that's coming in from the school for him of displaying sexualised behaviour.
16:53Because of the severeness of his behaviour, he was actually expelled from school.
16:58What is that history? What was he doing?
17:01He was basically touching other male and female children of his age, their genitals.
17:12He's pulled down the knickers of female pupils at his age.
17:20The relevance of that record is really quite interesting.
17:24If those behaviours have started at an early age, as to, has it progressed over the years to contact offending.
17:35He's a lorry driver, which obviously means he's travelling all over the place.
17:40Within the download materials, some of the videos showing on the metadata shows that him to be, for example, in London and in other areas of the country.
17:49We've got numerous concern about what we've seen, but what else is happening when he's travelling around the country.
17:56the country.
17:57CHIRPING
17:59I don't know.
18:29I don't know.
18:59Ed found this video on a roundabout of him exposing himself.
19:26If we can lay that as another charge as well.
19:35There's been a real change over the last few years in terms of how important offences such as exposure are in identifying early risky individuals.
19:49The Wayne Cousins criminality has really shown how acts of exposure can quite quickly and dramatically lead to vastly more serious consequences.
20:00Craig France started his offending with exposure on a roadside and he's ended up committing rape and that's the worst case scenario.
20:12I'm going through the videos that are on here to see which victims are prior to.
20:22They've downloaded his laptop which has identified 4,293 videos.
20:29There's a common theme with him that he targets young girls who are only just old enough to drink.
20:37Armed with fresh evidence of the scale of offending, DS Mark Hodgson goes to court ready to oppose Craig France's bail.
20:54His family attend in the hope he will be released.
20:57Since Thursday over the weekend we've managed to download two phone phones that were recovered.
21:04We can see thumbnails that suggest that this is further voyeurism, potentially more sexual assaults.
21:25We'll hold on to see what happens at court then.
21:28We're kind of in the hands of the prosecution at this point.
21:31Yeah.
21:32But I'm still fairly confident that I think we can get, we can win the second half.
21:37Yeah.
21:41Hello, Helen Teppitt speaking.
21:43Right, so we just had a hearing. He has been remanded.
21:46The Game Changer was definitely the new, the kind of new bit we found over the weekend.
21:51If we had, if we'd have kept that out he would have been released.
21:54Very good. Okay. We'll regroup when you get back here.
21:57Yeah, brilliant. I'll see you then.
21:58Thank you. Bye-bye.
21:59Bye-bye.
22:00Fucking awesome.
22:01Absolutely awesome.
22:02Well done.
22:03Well done.
22:04Absolutely awesome.
22:05Well done.
22:06Well done.
22:08With the threat lifted that their suspect will be released, officers continue to identify
22:13and reach out to other potential victims.
22:14These are the images that we've taken from the phone. We have managed to identify our potential victims.
22:30Normally crime comes to our attention because the victim tells us about it. In this case, that's not what's happened. We've uncovered offending.
22:45We have a duty to let them know what we have. We're going to have to deliver really, really damaging news that they were, to date, completely unaware of.
23:00So we're going to show her two videos. This female is not with it. This female is unconscious and is being put in positions by the suspect.
23:15We've got potential rape and voyeurism.
23:18Yeah.
23:19We've taken a still of a video, which we think is you. So we just want you to look at this and confirm whether it is you, firstly. Did anything take place that made you feel uncomfortable?
23:44Yes.
23:49While officers speak to a number of women, not everyone is prepared to support the investigation.
23:59I think it was a difficult process for her, but one that she needed to see.
24:05Yeah.
24:06But she said confidently she's not a victim, but when you were asking direct questions, there was clear hesitation and it struck me.
24:14As she didn't want to get him in trouble.
24:16Yeah.
24:17I think she is 100% a victim.
24:19I think that she has probably been groomed.
24:23While Craig France is forbidden from speaking to anyone directly involved in the investigation from prison, a victim receives a call via WhatsApp.
24:41I've come upstairs to find a missed call from Craig on WhatsApp.
24:48I'm anxious. I'm scared. I'm very confused on whether or not he's been released and I've not, you know, been told.
24:59Our victim has received a WhatsApp call from a number that belongs to Craig France. Somebody's been given access to his social media.
25:18Understanding who he's in regular contact with from prison is obviously going to be quite relevant.
25:25Who visited and what calls in and out before that time.
25:31He's got people to stick up for him, protect him.
25:38It's always the men that stick up for him, saying he's a nice guy.
25:44We have the potential that even from prison, the perpetrator is still pulling the strings and even from prison, he is able to manipulate his victims.
25:56France's WhatsApp account has been used to contact our victim.
26:11We've done some work on that WhatsApp account and is linked to an IP address.
26:18The plan is to arrest the account holder of that for witness intimidation.
26:33We know that he has visited France in prison, so I think we need to ask questions about conversations that he has had with Craig France.
26:41Speaking to the victim, she was absolutely terrified.
26:48Yeah, I mean, you would be terrified, wouldn't you?
26:50Witness intimidation is an attempt to divert a victim or a witness away from a criminal investigation and criminal proceedings.
27:01And is done largely at the behest of the perpetrator.
27:08Hello? Sorry, do you hear me? No, no, it's fine.
27:19It might come as a bit of a surprise, but we're currently dealing with quite a serious investigation.
27:23And at this time, you're under arrest on suspicion of witness intimidation.
27:28You do not have to say anything, but it may harm in your defence if you do not mention one question, something which you later rely on in court.
27:34You see, it is all.
27:44Hey, we've been arrested before.
27:46—No. First time? —No.
27:48… anybody authorising detention at the police station,
27:51and that is to secure and preserve evidence, and also to obtain evidence by questioning.
27:55my first question to you are you responsible for the witness intimidation by way of her
28:10receiving a phone call I was responsible for the call but not the intimidation okay so tell me
28:19everything you can about that long story short Greg's being accused of rape of a female and he's
28:31currently on remand in prison they got granted bail but then they appealed it and we're we're
28:39trying to kind of obviously piece together the the whole story to get a timeline when they first
28:46met when they had sex when they last had sex how many times they had sex you know just literally
28:51everything and obviously part of that is to look at chat history we're worried that these people
28:58will be deleting um uh you know chat history so we want to obviously record it so it's we've got it
29:05and uh when I was on the whatsapp chat with the uh the victim in question I accidentally called her
29:14but I instantly hung up and what was Craig's take on it I mean there's uh as good as anyone would be
29:23I guess um I think he really had a choice and Craig hasn't asked you to make this call no
29:32he sends voice notes to mum you using like nicknames of different girls that Craig's been with you know
29:40like a fucky girl or something like that so god you remember fucky girl really yeah and they sort of
29:47laugh ha ha ha about the great STI outbreak it's very strange that they would find that amusing to be
29:52honest to know that some of his family and friends have seen the videos what we see in the communication
30:02is validation of Craig Francis behavior it's really really concerning that nobody raises alarm
30:11would you agree that the phone call could cause distress yeah yeah I do I do see that
30:19obviously um I had no intention to do that and uh I wouldn't say I'm stupid there are uh better ways to
30:29intimidate you know if I wanted to also I have no intention to do that nor do I want to
30:38following his interview the man who admitted mistakenly calling the victim is released
30:51and he is told the investigation against him is closed
30:55the work to identify and notify other possible victims captured on Craig Francis cameras intensifies
31:03as long as it gets you
31:07sorry can you see your face in that yeah yes yes okay great so what we've got ongoing at the moment
31:17is quite a big investigation which we're hoping that you might be able to help us with okay
31:23we in Cambridgeshire police currently have an investigation ongoing into rape and voyeurism
31:32okay okay so do you understand what they both are voyeurism so voyeurism is being filmed and you don't know
31:43the investigation uh is linked to a male called Craig France
31:51you don't know a Craig France okay um have you ever been to a male's house
32:04for a hot tub party oh I don't know his surname I do know who you're on that break yeah yeah okay yeah
32:12drives a white bandw okay yeah okay yeah he's a he's a he's a in flares all the time
32:18now the subject of that investigation is someone called Craig France
32:25all right do you know Craig France
32:30we are in possession of a number of videos that we believe include you
32:40okay honestly if you were saying that you have not agreed to be filmed at any point
32:52um then we are looking at offences of voyeurism against you
32:59just have a think about whether or not you would like to view them you don't have to
33:14yes to being told by the police about it you're in shock because
33:22I had no idea just had no idea at all
33:28my mind's then spinning what's on these videos what what is on them like fully what am I expecting
33:41to see on this I want to know I want to know all the details
33:49I want answers to all my questions
33:53when they told me that I was a victim of his
34:03my heart just dropped I felt so much shame embarrassment disgusted but I was just
34:16more upset at the fact that I could have been friends with someone like that
34:24two of the newly identified victims agree to view the footage to confirm it is them
34:34I just want you to let me know if that is you they're showing quite intimate parts
34:41I'm going to press the first one round play okay
34:48I couldn't believe what I was seeing I was like nice this can't be true I went in there expecting I guess to see videos of sex and that's not what I saw
34:54he was sat next to me I was sitting next to me at the floor he was sitting next to me at the floor
35:01I couldn't believe what I was seeing, I was like no, this can't be true.
35:11I went in there expecting a guest to see videos of sex and that's not what I saw.
35:22He was sat next to me, we weren't wearing anything, obviously I'd had a lot to drink
35:28and I was just bent over in pain and I was crying, saying about how I feel sick and he's
35:37comforting me and I'm just like, what?
35:45That's the first one, are you okay to carry on?
35:53It was still an incredibly intimate moment.
36:02Why on earth would you want to take a video of that?
36:06What do you get out of filming someone in an extremely vulnerable position?
36:14That made me more angry, I think, seeing those kind of videos.
36:21Are you okay to carry on?
36:23It's difficult to, yeah it's just hard thinking about it.
36:52With three new victims on board, officers head to Peterborough Prison to put the fresh
37:05allegations to Craig France.
37:07People are feeling, they feel disgusted, they're really upset by this and they never ever would
37:15have dreamed that he'd have done this.
37:19And it's quite clear that it's something that he intentionally does and that he enjoys doing.
37:26And all of them just saw him as a friend.
37:30Right, so that is recording.
37:44So we've got Craig in.
37:49All right, well I'm going to start.
37:52So the purpose of the interview is to establish the facts concerning your suspected involvement
37:57in the offence is a voyeurism, exposure and sexual assault in relation to footage
38:02we've downloaded from your iPhone.
38:04So we've got footage of you exposing your penis in a public place.
38:09It's daylight and you masturbate at the side of the road where you could be seen by members
38:16of the public.
38:18It's on a road Craig.
38:20You go onto the road and you're wanking in the middle of the road.
38:24What's that about?
38:28No comment.
38:33Did you commit voyeurism against Leona?
38:37Were there any discussions about you filming her naked?
38:41No comment.
38:46Did she know she was being filmed?
38:48No comment.
38:54Was she unwell at all?
39:01No comment.
39:04Red underwear female, having her clothing moved aside and genitalia fully exposed.
39:10She had slurred speech and asked for a hot towel.
39:14No indication she is aware of filming.
39:17Are you aware of any filming that took place?
39:20No.
39:21Not.
39:24On any time that you've been in the company of Craig, has he ever done anything to make
39:28you feel uncomfortable?
39:30No.
39:31Because obviously I'm gay.
39:33The video with most concern with you is this, is the next one that I'm going to describe
39:40to you.
39:41At the start of the video, France's penis is in close foreground view and is pushed up
39:47against the victim's right calf.
39:50France then adjusts his body to pull back his penis and move it onto the victim's shin.
39:55And he begins to slowly move his hips to move his penis up and down the leg.
39:59And there is no reaction or movement from the victim.
40:02I'm not clear.
40:03I don't call that.
40:04You are asleep and unaware of what he is doing.
40:15How can that be an accident?
40:17I can't.
40:18What are your thoughts about what I've just said?
40:31Obviously I'm unaware, so I thought we were good friends, do you know what I mean?
40:36What can you tell me about those videos?
40:50And you've heard how much you've upset the people that you've been recording.
40:54How violated they feel, how disgusted they feel that they trusted you.
40:59I couldn't even tell you why he's like this.
41:12I just think there's something really, really wrong with him.
41:15I couldn't tell you, like, if it's the way he's raised or he was born like that
41:21or something's happened in his life, I don't know.
41:24But it doesn't, there's no excuse, there's no justification.
41:32I don't think anything can diminish how painful it is.
41:39Everybody who's done this to has to fight for their life.
41:43They have to fight to carry on and to try and overcome it.
41:53You struggling a little bit?
41:55Yeah, quite disgusting.
41:58But you're not disgusting, OK?
42:02Please do not blame yourself for any of this.
42:05I think it's sort of always going to be with me.
42:10That sort of thing doesn't go away.
42:14It's going to change everything about my life going forward.
42:23I'd like to be able to live my life without having the worry
42:29that someone I know that's close to me is going to do something like this.
42:36I want to be able to trust people again fully.
42:44Put all of this in the past.
42:48Not let it define my future.
42:51I always think about why he chose me.
43:03And what did I do to make him want to do that to me?
43:10If I never had that phone call, I would have never knew.
43:17And I wouldn't be thinking and questioning every man I meet.
43:24And sometimes I would have wanted not to have known.
43:29It just took everything from me and the rest of the girls.
43:41It took our dignity.
43:42It took everything from us.
43:46We won't be able to trust a man ever again.
43:48We won't be able to go to the clubs ever again.
43:50We won't be able to feel comfortable in our own bodies ever again.
43:53We won't be able to feel comfortable in our own bodies ever again.
43:57I wanted to go to trial.
44:20to go to trial, because I could stand up there and tell everyone,
44:27tell everyone who was supporting him what he actually did do.
44:33It makes me really angry when I think about him having a shorter sentence.
44:38Just because he admitted to it, it doesn't mean he's sorry.
44:43It haunts me that we'll never know the full extent of what his offending has been.
44:52We can't just assume that the digital evidence we have is everything that could have ever happened.
44:58But the important thing is that he can no longer commit them.
45:02And that's the biggest win out of this.
45:07We are absolutely open to the possibility that they could be further victims.
45:14If anyone feels that they have any information that they think would be relevant to us
45:19with our onward investigation, that they should come forward to the police.
45:22How easy has it been to build up a picture of Craig France and try to bring him to justice?
45:27It's through the bravery of the victims involved that we were able to truly understand
45:33that level of offending that we've seen played out in court today.
45:40If I was talking to somebody else who was going to report this,
45:43I would tell them, like, just do it.
45:46I know it's scary and it feels impossible,
45:49and I know sometimes it can feel like you can't even say it out loud,
45:54but there's always people to talk to.
45:57And I just think, no matter what, you've just got to get out there.
46:03You've got to find that help because it makes all the difference.
46:07You've got to find that, you've got to find that.
46:08And you've got to find that help.
46:13And it's really a big difference.
46:18You've got to find that help.
46:20I mean, you've got to find that help you very, very much.
46:22You've got to find that help.
46:23So I think that there's always to be a benefit to that.
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