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24 Hours In Police Custody S00E32 The Butcher Of Suburbia Part 2
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00:00OK, so this interview is being recorded.
00:10It's also being monitored by our supervisors.
00:14You've been arrested this morning.
00:17Can you tell me the offence that you've been arrested for?
00:21Um, you suspect that I killed somebody.
00:26Yeah, OK.
00:27So you're here because you've been arrested for the offence of murder against Annette Smith.
00:32So are you responsible for the death of Annette Smith?
00:46Yes.
00:50As soon as the news come out that Annette was missing,
00:53the first thing we all said was, have you spoke to Scott?
00:56They were always with each other.
00:58Some people seemed to think that he was her carer,
01:01but I had the impression that he was a friend and more of a lodger, maybe.
01:05They had a fantastic relationship.
01:07They were like a mother and son.
01:09She was on her own, obviously vulnerable.
01:12She let him live with her.
01:13He was just a guy that everyone knew in the area.
01:15Just really, really friendly.
01:17Genuinely shocked.
01:19And we want to bring closure and find Annette for her family.
01:26Where is Annette?
01:28It's crucial that we find the truth.
01:44Come here!
01:46Hands behind your back!
01:48Got to question everything, believe nobody.
01:51What do you want to do?
01:53It's almost a game of chess.
01:54Trying to slip up.
01:56This is your opportunity to talk to me.
01:58Your legal rights still stand.
02:16I know that you've said you don't want a solicitor, but that's an ongoing right.
02:21I find it really difficult to comprehend how somebody can go from nothing to murder,
02:29and it does make me worry whether this is his only offending.
02:38We want the truth from you in this interview.
02:40Yeah.
02:41And I want you to be completely truthful with me.
02:43Yeah.
02:44So, have you ever done anything like this before?
02:46Yeah.
02:47Not that I...
02:48..can think of.
02:53So, when you say, not that you can think of, take your time.
03:01Yeah.
03:02Because you would know if you have done something like this before.
03:07OK?
03:08Yeah.
03:09No, I've never done anything like that before.
03:24You've never killed anybody before?
03:26No.
03:27OK.
03:31Even though Scott has confessed, we still have to test what he's saying
03:36and challenge what he's saying.
03:39He may confess to parts of what has actually happened
03:43because actually that is better than us finding out the actual truth of what happened.
03:51But I think with this particular case, we don't know where Annette is.
03:55We have no body.
03:56And not only do we need to know that for evidence
03:59and to be able to prove what has happened to her,
04:02but also there's a family that are missing their loved one as well.
04:06So, trying to, you know, really understand what has gone on
04:10and dig as deep as possible to get to the truth is really important.
04:16Just before all the missing stuff started, Scott had really changed in his demeanour.
04:30I saw him one day outside, parked under the tree, which was Annette's parking spaces.
04:36He'd gone from being this flamboyant, you know, extrovert,
04:42to kind of trying to go unnoticed, if you like.
04:47He'd put weight on, his hair was longer, he was drinking more.
04:53It was almost like there was two sides to him.
04:56Yeah.
04:57There's just one or two inconsistencies that we want to clear up.
05:09He started work last July at the farm.
05:12It did involve butchering, so that was of interest.
05:16He told his boss as well in the statement that we got yesterday
05:19that he had an operation on the 31st of October.
05:22And it's been mentioned that he had five weeks off of work from someone.
05:26And I do know that he has emailed or text Pat to say
05:30that he's stressed with it or needs some time off work.
05:33I think he was supposed to go back off three weeks.
05:35He was supposed to, the first day that he was due back in,
05:37she said he only managed half a day
05:39and then went off and then was given loads of excuses
05:42for another couple of weeks before he actually managed to get back.
05:45And I think that's been a bit of a theme throughout,
05:48you know, right back from the high-risk investigation
05:51that his accounts to various different people are very inconsistent.
05:56You had started annual leave 30th of October.
06:05Mm-hm.
06:06That was your first day of annual leave from work?
06:08Yeah.
06:09OK. So when you've taken your annual leave,
06:11how long have you agreed with work at that point
06:14that you were going to have off work?
06:15Two weeks.
06:16Two weeks?
06:17Yeah.
06:18It was during that second week that that's when you've suffocated Annette.
06:22Yeah.
06:23What was work's understanding of you not being there?
06:29What have you said to them?
06:31Um, I had to go to hospital.
06:38OK. What for?
06:42Uh...
06:44An operation.
06:46So you have told work that you had to go to hospital for an operation?
06:51Yeah.
06:52OK.
06:53What did you tell them the operation was for?
06:56Um, to have a tumour removed.
07:02OK.
07:03From where?
07:04Uh, my abdomen.
07:08OK.
07:09Did you have to go to work for...?
07:10No.
07:11OK.
07:12Talk to me about that.
07:13I was worried that I wouldn't be able to get the time off.
07:18Because...
07:21It was really busy.
07:24Um, so I lied.
07:31It's difficult to trust everything that Scott is telling us
07:34because clearly he's not telling us everything
07:36and in some cases he is lying.
07:43No.
07:44No.
07:46No.
07:47No.
07:53No.
07:55No.
08:02No.
08:10No.
08:11In my opinion, telling your employees you've got cancer,
08:22to have time off work is extreme.
08:25Yeah.
08:26You know, you could have said...
08:28You could have just said I felt sick.
08:30Yeah. Yeah.
08:34What made you go to that sort of lengths just to get some time off work?
08:39I don't know.
08:42Did you take the time off work because you knew you were going to kill Annette?
09:04With the suspect in custody, Bedfordshire Police's Intelligence Unit analyse his phone.
09:11Looking to see if there's anything contained in his recent watching history
09:16that may give an insight into what's occurred or anything that might have been in his mindset.
09:21OK.
09:22So these are all in his list.
09:24A lot of gory stuff, isn't it?
09:26This one's quite a gruesome series as well.
09:31He likes his horror, doesn't he?
09:32Yeah.
09:33It's a lighter percentage of it, isn't it?
09:34Yeah.
09:35There's loads.
09:37It's a big thing.
09:38It's a big thing, isn't it?
09:39It's a big thing.
09:40It's a big thing.
09:41I think it's a big thing.
09:42It's a big thing.
09:43When you're looking at a domestic-related murder, it is extremely important that you
09:50understand the relationship between them to try and understand where things might have
09:55started to go wrong, started to turn a bit sour.
10:01Tell me about your relationship with Annette.
10:05Me and my partner at the time split up and we sold our house and I didn't really have
10:11anywhere else to go in Annette.
10:13I said, oh, you just come and stay with me for a bit, she said I've got a spare room.
10:18So I moved in and we just got on like a house on fire.
10:25We would cook for each other, we'd go out to theatre and for meals, people would come
10:32round, she'd do dinner parties, we just had a really nice time.
10:37I guess I was a house guest really, but we were friends.
10:42But three years ago, she went into hospital and had a mini-stroke.
10:49She could do less for herself than she could before.
10:52She barely got out of bed.
10:54I was the only visitor.
10:57Yeah.
10:58And stop.
10:59There was no-one else that I, as far as I can tell, ever went into that flat for four,
11:06three or four years.
11:08She hardly ever had anybody coming into the house.
11:11She used to before.
11:13She'd have her nails done and her hair done and go out and all the jewellery and look nice.
11:20But yeah, she sort of didn't want to do any of that after she got poorly.
11:26Yeah.
11:27OK.
11:28She used to have house dinner parties.
11:30Always, Annette's always got something going on.
11:33Everybody knew her as a queen around here.
11:36Aw.
11:37It sounds like she was really outgoing, being known as the Queen of Fairfield and she's
11:46talking about obviously having a lot of parties and having everybody round.
11:50And she always had some nice jewellery.
11:53Now, Scott said that she took her jewellery with her.
11:56OK.
11:57Oh, God, she did like, they said that she liked her big jewelry.
12:13Yeah, yeah, yeah.
12:14She's got those earrings.
12:15She wears them.
12:16Oh, and that necklace.
12:17Where have these feathers come from?
12:19They're hers.
12:20She's a bit of it, isn't it?
12:22Aw.
12:23I think I've got something of interest here.
12:3924th of November, nine days after Annette goes missing.
12:44So on Scott's phone, he has got two valuation messages from Cash4Gold.
12:50So he's clearly sent something off to them to get valued.
12:53OK.
12:54So yeah, if we can get a DPIA into them.
12:56Yep, no problem.
12:57It'd be good to know if any payments have been made to him.
13:00Yep.
13:01What it was.
13:02And then we can, I'll obviously speak to the OET and see if they can speak to the family
13:05and see if she's got anything that's missing.
13:07Yeah.
13:08Bearing in mind that it's nine days after he says that she's gone missing.
13:10Yeah, we'll have a look at his financials, see what he's received, if there's any payments
13:14in from Cash4Gold as well.
13:16What I'm looking for is details of the items, if they've got any visual on it, what the estimate
13:22was and if it was paid.
13:24Yeah.
13:25And I suppose it's probably worth asking if they've got any other history.
13:29Cash4Gold.
13:30So it's receipt for £2,715 cheque deposit.
13:52Cash4Gold, how can I help?
13:53Oh, hi Scott.
13:54My Mr. Gold.
13:55Hi, Scott.
13:56I've got your valuation ready.
13:57Twelve items in total.
13:58The chain with the six small diamond chips, there's no value in these stones, unfortunately.
14:13Okay.
14:14The money's really in the metal there, what's the chips in the trade.
14:19And there's a bangle that is silver.
14:20There is a value in silver, but it is a fraction of the price of gold.
14:24All together, sir, I've got £2,511 for you.
14:29If you're happy with that, I can get you paid, sir.
14:31Yeah, thanks very much for that.
14:33Yeah, you're more than welcome.
14:34Did you pay rent or anything for stones?
14:48No.
14:49So what was the arrangement there?
14:50I tried to offer her rent on a number of occasions, but she'd always refuse.
14:57So when we went out for dinner and stuff, I'd pay for things like that.
15:03Hello, darling.
15:04Fancy's a fever.
15:05And you know me, I don't eat that much, so a median size one will do.
15:10Yeah, I'll do that.
15:11That's not a problem.
15:12Oh, hi, Scott.
15:13Hello, darling.
15:14I'm out of Siggy's.
15:16If you can pop on for five minutes, can you bring me some bleep?
15:20Absolutely.
15:21No worries at all.
15:22Thank you so much.
15:23Bye.
15:24Cheers.
15:25Bye.
15:26I could just eat a duck breast tonight.
15:28Yeah, no problem.
15:30Did you have money problems before you moved in with Annette?
15:32I got into a lot of credit card debt about six years ago.
15:40How much were you in debt initially?
15:42I think it was about £30,000.
15:45OK.
15:47One of the lines of inquiry that we conducted, which is quite normal in any investigation,
15:54is into Scott's finances to establish if there is a financial motive.
16:00The business partner that Scott was with, he was aware that Scott was spending a lot of money.
16:09And he was a bit concerned about this.
16:11And him and his partner decided to speak with Scott just to highlight their concerns.
16:16But he was, Scott was kind of like, live for the moment.
16:20And he said everything was fine until November 2018, whereby he gets a letter from the tax man to say that they owed £20,000.
16:30And then he digs a little deeper and he discovers that he's not been paying the corporation tax, suppliers, etc.
16:39And the figure then appears to be more in the region of £50,000 in debt.
16:45But he does say that, in his opinion, it was down to mismanagement and incompetence on Scott's behalf rather than any dishonesty.
16:57When Scott and Steve parted company, Scott was spending money like it was going out of fashion.
17:01He got a new car, went on holidays and paying for friends to go with him.
17:05Scott wasn't concerned and was very much live for today.
17:09Right, OK. Interesting.
17:15They want to build up a financial history for him, so now anything in terms of his finance.
17:27Yeah.
17:28There's loads of letters here and stuff with Annette's name on.
17:32Just miscellaneous paper belonging to Annette Smith.
17:39Well, so this is a debt thing for him.
17:42Yeah, this is probably going to be the most key thing.
17:45So, Miss Annette Smith card in the name of Scott Patterson.
17:55Scott lived a parasitic lifestyle.
17:58We've looked at Scott's bank account and he certainly didn't have a stable income.
18:04So, living with Annette would have been a really attractive proposition for him.
18:09So, this is her place in Spain.
18:16Stay with the morning camera. Don't be a mystery star.
18:22She'd often go away with family and friends on holiday.
18:27She'd just do it because she wants people to be together and enjoy themselves.
18:32She'd be the one, let's go away for a weekend.
18:35She was quite glamorous.
18:37You look at images and photos from her from when I sort of got to know her from the 80s.
18:41She had the big shoulder pads and, you know, she was that.
18:44She liked a gin and tonic and a cigarette.
18:46She did like wearing nice clothes.
18:49She liked the finer things.
18:51She liked her jewellery.
18:52I would say if it shines, she liked it.
18:54So, if it had a twinkle or a sparkle, that would be the jewellery she would often go for.
19:00So, this video has been taken while Annette is missing.
19:15It doesn't look like a man who's sickened by what he's done.
19:19He just looks like the life and soul of the party, doesn't he?
19:26He's a really fun-loving person.
19:28460 friends.
19:32From Scott's social media, you can see that there are pictures of him on holiday, enjoying himself.
19:40It certainly appears to be a lifestyle that is beyond his means.
19:47He relied on Annette.
19:50He was living at her house rent-free and she was basically funding his lifestyle.
20:00The Intelligence Unit received video evidence of items sent by the suspect for valuation by cash for gold.
20:07Right, let's see if we can match them with the transactions.
20:10Yeah.
20:11What's the most expensive one you've got?
20:13There is, on the 14th of November, 12 items were sent in, including gold chains, bangles and chains.
20:22Yeah, that's going to be this.
20:24For just over £2,500.
20:26Scott Patterson, 2049, sorry, 2049346, 12 items.
20:36Yeah, look, there's bangles, multiple necklaces.
20:40Yeah.
20:41And that looks a weighty thing.
20:42That's going to be worth a few quid, isn't it?
20:44Yeah.
20:45You know, that is a lot of jewellery.
20:47It is, yeah.
20:48And we should be able to quite easily attribute that to Annette.
20:51You're looking at, you know, £3,500 worth of gold transactions.
20:56This is going to be a significant amount of money to someone in his situation, isn't it?
21:01I think so, definitely, yeah.
21:03Could she have found out that he was selling all the gold?
21:05I mean, that's quite a lot that he sold already.
21:07Could that have been the flashpoint as to what's happened?
21:10Yeah.
21:11Well, yeah, I mean, it's got to be put to him, hasn't it?
21:13Definitely, yeah.
21:14Yeah.
21:29Scott Patterson has sold jewellery, which we believe belongs to Annette.
21:33Scott has been contacting Cash for Gold over five different occasions
21:38with different bundles of jewellery.
21:41In total, he sent 34 items and has received £5,028 back from Cash for Gold.
21:48The fact that Scott was stealing and selling Annette's jewellery
21:54does add to the hypotheses that, you know, it was a financial motive,
22:00not just what he was trying to sort of lead us to,
22:06in terms of having enough of her demands and caring for her.
22:11There are a couple of things that I want to put to you that,
22:24just a few inconsistencies that we just need to clarify.
22:27So, first of all, I want to talk to you about Cash for Gold.
22:32So, tell me what you know about Cash for Gold.
22:38I don't know him.
22:43Do you not know, or do you just not want to say because you're embarrassed?
22:49Um...
22:50Because now is the time to tell us.
22:55How many times had you been to Cash for Gold and sold jewellery?
23:00Um...
23:13Uh, once for myself.
23:15Um...
23:18Jewellery that I had.
23:20And that's how I knew about Cash for Gold.
23:23OK.
23:25OK.
23:26So, we've got a statement.
23:28So, you'd gone five times.
23:30OK.
23:33Right.
23:34Twice after you'd killed her.
23:35Three times before.
23:39OK.
23:40And the first time was on the 27th of July.
23:43And that's before Annette's died.
23:46Oh.
23:47Right.
23:49So, what have you sold?
23:50Uh, a half-sovereign.
23:53Um...
23:55A South African gold coin.
23:58I can't remember what else.
24:01It's all I can remember.
24:03So, on the 27th of July, four items were sent,
24:07including platinum stone earrings and a sovereign coin.
24:12OK.
24:14So, who's with the platinum stone earrings?
24:15I guess they must have been Annette's.
24:21Why do you say you guess?
24:23Because I don't know why I would have platinum earrings.
24:27So, were they Annette's or were they not Annette's?
24:32I don't remember.
24:36Are you saying you don't remember when you don't want to give me an answer?
24:39I must have been.
24:40Are you aware that you didn't go to them with your stuff?
24:41Yeah.
24:42OK.
24:43So, you've lied?
24:44Yeah.
24:45OK.
24:47Who gave you permission to sell?
24:49Nobody.
24:50OK.
24:51So, you'd stolen those from Annette?
24:52Yeah.
24:53Where were they in the house?
24:55Uh, in her jewellery box.
24:58OK.
24:59So, you'd gone through her jewellery box?
25:00Mm-hmm.
25:01And taken her earrings and sold them?
25:02Yeah.
25:03So, was Annette in the room at the times that you were taking her jewellery?
25:04Yeah.
25:05And did she see you take the jewellery?
25:06No.
25:08I'd just do when she was asleep.
25:10OK.
25:11And on the times that you've taken the jewellery after you've killed Annette,
25:17where did she see you take the jewellery?
25:19No.
25:20I'll just do it when she's asleep.
25:25OK, and on the times that you've taken the jury
25:27after you've killed Annette,
25:29where would Annette have been in the property?
25:32In the cobbling upstairs.
25:39Just see if there's any blood on it at all.
25:43I can't see anything.
25:44With no trace of a body,
25:46officers searched the estate where Annette Smith lived
25:49and its surroundings.
25:50There's a hole or something here.
26:01There's no hair.
26:02There's no footprints.
26:10I just wanted to have a quick chat with you
26:12about this Netflix date,
26:13just to see what he was looking at
26:14just before the disappearance.
26:16But he watches a massive amount of blood gore
26:20and murderers and quite a bit of that comes
26:23within the last couple of months leading up to it.
26:26Could be a coincidence,
26:27but the title he watches a trailer of
26:28the day before she goes missing is called The Murderer.
26:31It's certainly interesting, isn't it, given the circumstances.
26:34Another title that he looks at is called The Funeral Director.
26:37He shares the science and procedures involved in his profession.
26:40It's a bit different when you're doing this on somebody,
26:46you know it, isn't it?
26:48Absolutely.
26:49So, in essence, it's an education process showing him how to dispose of a body.
26:59It's certainly a consideration when you look at the time frame.
27:02I suggest that there was a bit of more pre-planned aspect to it perhaps.
27:06I think Scott's fascination with extremely violent horror movies
27:17is highly suspicious.
27:20Has something that's happened in a horror film,
27:23has that influenced the murder?
27:27This interview is about finding out the truth about what's happened.
27:31Yeah.
27:32Where is Annette?
27:33There isn't a full body.
27:43I did keep her in the house for quite some time,
27:48and then as time went by,
27:50I realised that she couldn't stay in the house.
27:55Wasn't sure what to do,
27:58so I did dismember her.
28:03To murder somebody and take somebody's life is bad enough,
28:09but to then go on to dismember their body
28:13is particularly horrifying.
28:19It was a gradual thing.
28:21I couldn't face doing something like that, just all.
28:27So what did you remove first?
28:29I think her feet.
28:31And how did you do that?
28:32A knife and a saw.
28:34And it was easier than I thought it was going to be.
28:39I work in a butcher's,
28:42so I see how they deal with things like that at work.
28:48But I also watch quite a lot of horror films and stuff,
28:52so it's probably coming from there as well.
28:55Was it sort of you then discarded the feet straight away?
29:01I just put her in a bag next to Annette in the hole.
29:06OK.
29:06And how long was Annette in the hole for?
29:09A long time.
29:11OK.
29:12At least a few weeks.
29:13OK, so you've chopped off the feet.
29:15Yeah.
29:15And then I just want you to think about what did you next do?
29:18Um, hands.
29:20And what was that like?
29:23That was weirder because it was a hand,
29:27so it was more...
29:29It was like I was holding hands with Annette.
29:32Mm-hm.
29:33So that felt...
29:35And were you holding a hand in one
29:36while you were cutting in the other?
29:37Yeah.
29:38OK.
29:39So then was the hand then just left in your hand?
29:42Mm-hm.
29:43And then where were they...
29:45Where were the hands kept?
29:46With the feet.
29:47With the feet.
29:48Not in the same bag, but, like, in a bag with feet.
29:51And what kind of bag was it?
29:53Just a carrier bag, I think.
29:57And then what did you do next?
30:00Mm-hm.
30:01It was probably only a couple of days after that.
30:05That's when I decided to remove the head.
30:08And that was the first time I'd looked at Annette in the face
30:12since it happened.
30:14And I think I probably covered her face up again
30:18and left her before I actually did it
30:22because I was probably sick, actually.
30:31And I went back two or three times to try and do it
30:35and couldn't do it ever.
30:43And then, obviously, I did.
30:48And that was really hard.
30:53OK.
30:55How many body parts were there when you were finished?
31:00Nine.
31:06Oh, plus the torso.
31:09The ten altogether.
31:11And you've done this over a period of a few weeks.
31:13Yeah.
31:14And then just discarded the remains gradually.
31:24Just in rubbish bins.
31:25OK.
31:31What rubbish bins?
31:32Sublite bins.
31:33OK.
31:34What...
31:35Where are these public bins?
31:38Uh...
31:38I think there was...
31:41..one in Lechworth.
31:46I can't remember the name of the street,
31:49but near the little Tescos.
31:50There was one in Liddle car park in Lechworth.
31:58And what about the head?
32:01That's...
32:02That went into one of the bins as well.
32:05And it's kind of down a little concrete road
32:07rather than a Talmac road.
32:09Yeah.
32:10And just plopped it in.
32:12Oh, God.
32:14Did you buy anything in these shops?
32:16Did you put some hands in the bin
32:19and then go and buy a can of Coke?
32:23Or did you go to Liddle,
32:24put some feet in the bin and buy a pint of milk?
32:26We're just trying to work out,
32:27is there any purchases that you've made
32:29that we could then identify?
32:32I can't remember, but possibly...
32:34I want you to think really carefully,
32:38cos there's...
32:39You know, not everybody's done this
32:40within the last few months, you know.
32:44Killed somebody,
32:46chopped them up and put them in little bins, OK?
32:47Mm-hmm.
32:48So what I need you to think carefully about
32:49is on these significant days
32:52that are probably going to be quite significant in your life,
32:54Mm-hmm.
32:54Did you, after putting them in the bin,
32:57go into a shop and buy something?
32:59I probably did.
33:00OK.
33:01Cos I was probably doing it as part of, like,
33:03my daily routine.
33:07OK.
33:14I can't believe he's chopped her arm.
33:21Are you OK?
33:22Yeah, yeah, yeah.
33:23Just took us by surprise.
33:24Yeah, no, absolutely.
33:24Took us by surprise.
33:27Yeah.
33:28Take a moment to kind of regather yourself, I think.
33:32I think he just is so relieved to get himself his chest.
33:35Yes.
33:36He's been harboring it for six months, hasn't he?
33:38Yeah.
33:39I still can't believe he's dotted everyone who parts around.
33:42Outside supermarkets.
33:46Officers continue their search for any human remains
33:49in the communal area of Fairfield Hall.
33:54He always used to put the rubbish out in black bags.
33:57It's obvious it's not whatever it should be in there.
34:00Coming up to Christmas, it was constantly bags being put out.
34:04Yeah.
34:04We have three big basements, which could easily be accessed by a resident.
34:14It's absolutely crucial that we find Annette.
34:17It's important for the family so that they can bury her,
34:21say their goodbyes, and to come to terms with what's happened and grieve.
34:27But unfortunately, because of the time that has passed,
34:31I do worry it might be hard to locate her body parts.
34:35Ah-ha.
34:57The key to his lock-up.
35:01Oh.
35:02Unit 53.
35:03Yes.
35:05All of the collections that have gone from Lidl's and Tesco's
35:13and the residential waste,
35:15the strong indication is that everything will have been incinerated.
35:20I mean, I think that does obviously change things
35:23in terms of, you know, feasibility of search, et cetera.
35:27Yeah.
35:28Yeah, I think that probably negates anything further
35:30that we can do there, unfortunately.
35:32Yeah.
35:32What is of interest is a lock-up.
35:36So you're aware that we do know that Scott has got a lock-up somewhere.
35:39But Asha's been doing some work on that today.
35:42So I think with the help of the community team,
35:44we've unearthed some small businesses that are operating out of Leyton Buzzard.
35:49So all the DPA requests have gone into those today.
35:52So hopefully this afternoon we'll bottom that inquiry out.
35:54We're trying to find a net, and we want to bring closure
36:08and find a net for her family, OK?
36:11So what I want you to really think carefully about
36:13is we've asked you where these body parts are,
36:16and I know it's been a few months,
36:19but this is quite a significant thing that you've done.
36:21Yeah.
36:21You mentioned these bins, and was there any other areas?
36:26Think about the next time you left the house with a bag.
36:29Where did you go?
36:32Oh, down West Drive, in between Fairfield and Arsley.
36:38Just down an old road that people walk up and down.
36:42There's an electric cupboard or something.
36:48And I just put it behind there.
36:51I've walked the dog down there.
36:53But it was, again, a thing that I would do every now and then,
36:58cos it's a nice walk for the dog.
37:02I've never known a pathway that is so popular with dogs and dog walkers.
37:21It's unbelievable.
37:24Just a thankful word.
37:25That's been under a very long time.
37:46Yeah, it's been under a year, but it's just random.
37:53We've done everything we can with nothing else left in there to search.
38:00Darren, I think I've found the lock-up.
38:02Yeah.
38:02See if we can get access to it straight away,
38:05but I'm not sure what else we need to get from the outside.
38:09Was that in Letchworth, is it?
38:10Yeah, it kind of fits with the financial transactions and stuff.
38:14Yeah.
38:15Yeah, so I'm pretty sure it is.
38:17OK.
38:20So these are the CCTV stills,
38:22which were taken from the storage unit in Letchworth.
38:25This is Scott here.
38:28Oh, OK.
38:29This is the 28th of...
38:30I assume the time's right.
38:3128th of February at 11 o'clock.
38:34He's got some kind of trolley there with a couple of cases on.
38:37And he's going to take it into...
38:39Is that his storage unit?
38:40Yeah.
38:41OK.
38:41Yeah, but you can see he's got two cases on the trolley there.
38:43OK.
38:45The last one is him wheeling out, coming out with an empty trolley.
38:47My thoughts are, we'll do DNA on the padlock.
39:10Yeah.
39:11That will help us show that only he has been in and out.
39:15OK.
39:23That's quite a big seat, Chris.
39:25Is it?
39:25So just to give you a bit of an update, really, we're at the storage place and we've opened the locker.
39:37I think we need to get that big tarpaulin out.
39:40Mm-hmm.
39:41OK.
39:43What's your back?
39:44It's back.
39:46It is full of stuff, bits and pieces, but there is also, we believe, a large suitcase which is wrapped in tarpaulin.
39:55It's about the rim.
40:09Well, what we'll do is we'll try and open up the zip.
40:11Yeah.
40:12And let's see what we can see.
40:15Yeah, we might as well start unzipping in, Ash.
40:17Yeah.
40:18There's a label there, does that give anything away, like the brand or anything?
40:21No, it's just about important information.
40:24It's rotten flesh there. The smell is just unmistakable.
40:27Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's...
40:30OK.
40:32We have a torso.
40:34They've had a little peek and said that she's in another bag,
40:37wrapped in there.
40:43I just find it odd that he's kind of kept that part,
40:46but the rest of it...
40:48Did he just think that that was too big to put in a bin or something, maybe?
40:53No.
40:57Going from having no criminal footprint at all
41:01or no suggestion of violence
41:04to then murder somebody and dismember their body
41:09is quite shocking.
41:11For him to then try and cover it up,
41:14to try and get away with what he did,
41:17I still worry that we only know about this one
41:21and whether there are other offences.
41:23And we really have to look at the circumstances
41:26to try and identify whether that is a possibility.
41:30We were looking into Annette's father's death.
41:34So, in terms of the father, Scott kind of saw him the day before
41:39and then the following morning the carers found him deceased.
41:43But there is a note on the log to say that his head was in the bed bars,
41:47which, yeah, not sure if that's, you know, I suppose the concern is,
41:53is that an indication of a struggle prior to his death?
41:58Yeah.
41:59Before we end this interview tonight,
42:00is there anything else that you want to tell us?
42:12I can't think of anything else.
42:17It's quite a significant thing, isn't it?
42:19Yeah.
42:20Wanting somebody, chopping them up, is quite significant.
42:22Yeah.
42:23So, have you done that before?
42:26No.
42:31Why did you go to those lengths to do that?
42:36To despise of the body?
42:39Yeah.
42:41Because I thought if there wasn't a body, I'd...
42:45I'd get away with it.
42:54This is a deeply distressing crime
42:57and the fact that any human being can do this to another human being is sickening.
43:03But Scott was supposed to be her friend.
43:06You know, they had a really close relationship
43:08and I think the fact that he could do that to somebody that he was that close with
43:13just makes this all particularly harrowing.
43:20Just come up to the side.
43:22So, since we last spoke, we've approached the CPS and they have made a decision
43:31that you are going to be charged with murder, okay?
43:33Yeah.
43:34So, I'm going to go through that now.
43:35So, this charge is on the 8th of November, 2023,
43:38at Hitchin in the county of Hertfordshire,
43:40murdered Annette Smith, and that is contrary to common law.
43:43Mm-hmm.
43:46Do you have any reply to that?
43:47No.
43:48No.
43:49I hope that the family have got some answers
43:55and I hope that they're able to grieve.
43:58This will have a profound effect on the community that Annette lived in,
44:04not just because of what happened to Annette,
44:07but because of the person that Scott was
44:10and the fact that he was a friend to so many.
44:14I'm very angry.
44:29Hurt and angry.
44:31I hold my hands up to being sorry, yeah.
44:34Like, I really, really genuinely thought that he was innocent.
44:37Genuinely.
44:38Genuinely.
44:39I was so certain inside that he wouldn't have done it
44:41and that Scott could never be like that.
44:42And now I just feel like you fooled me.
44:44That's how I feel, and I think a lot of people feel like that as well,
44:47that they've been played for fools.
44:48He made everyone believe that he was so lovely.
44:51He made everyone believe that he was so lovely.
44:53He was so lovely.
44:54And he really, really genuinely thought that he was innocent.
44:57Genuinely.
44:58I was so certain inside that he wouldn't have done it
45:01and that Scott could never be like that.
45:02And now I just feel like you fooled me.
45:04That's how I feel, and I think a lot of people feel like that as well,
45:07that they've been played for fools.
45:09He made everyone believe that he was so lovely.
45:18He built trust with, like, everyone in the community.
45:24She looked at him like a son.
45:27Yeah, we thought she was being cared for, looked after, protected.
45:35I need to stop. I'm sick of crying over this cunt.
45:38How can you do that to someone I don't know?
45:47I trusted him so much.
45:49He is a manipulative murderer
45:53and someone that knew what he was doing.
45:55There is no forgiveness for what he's done.
45:58And I hope he rots in prison.
46:02If you dwell on the bad times, we'll all suffer as a family.
46:06So we raise a glass and think about the good times.
46:10I'll always remember Annette with a smile on her face
46:14and just enjoying herself.
46:16I'll be looking forward to seeing her out here.
46:17So, we'll be back in the public.
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