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24 Hours in Police Custody S00E31 The Butcher of Suburbia Part One
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00:00I need to report a missing person.
00:08OK, what's the concern for them?
00:10The lady has disappeared and she's gone off as a total stranger.
00:19You don't know who this stranger is, no?
00:21No, we do not.
00:23This is so out of character.
00:26Annette is known as the Queen of Fairfield.
00:30Everyone knows everyone.
00:32Most people don't lock the doors.
00:34It's like just having a huge family.
00:37How can someone be missing?
00:38There's something not right about it.
00:41Fairfield is not somewhere that you would associate with crime.
00:46A friend got business in his house and he has not heard from her.
00:53He's absolutely distraught.
00:55I heard him try and his eyes out because he doesn't know what he's done.
01:10It's crucial that we find the truth.
01:13Come here!
01:14Hands you on your back!
01:16Got to question everything.
01:18Believe nobody.
01:19It's almost a game of chess.
01:23Trying to slip up.
01:25This is your opportunity to talk to me.
01:26service chair, please.
01:32How can I help?
01:35Oh, hello.
01:49I'm just calling regarding a missing person she left with a friend so
01:55technically she's not missing she hasn't been in touch with anyone so people are
02:01just getting a bit sort of concerned yeah but what's the name of the missing
02:05person it's Annette Smith okay and who are you to... I am Annette's lodger
02:15with no one coming forward to report finding the 74 year old safe and well
02:20for several weeks Bedfordshire Police's dedicated missing persons unit begin to
02:25investigate we're obviously just trying to work out if anybody knows where she is
02:28or give us any information so she's currently missing so I'm just wondering
02:32if you can help with our enquiries at all okay when did you last see her so we've
02:38got Annette Smith who's 74 years of age she's been reported missing by her lodger
02:43Scott Patterson and her family she's lived at the location for a number of
02:49years estranged from her husband there is nothing to say where she may have gone
02:53and it's very difficult for someone in this day and age just to disappear more
02:57so with an elderly female timers is the essence really obviously the more time
03:02that passes then potentially more evidence and information that's lost but
03:07at the moment we just need to collate a few more facts what we got now what do we
03:11know what do we not know and just gather a bit more information yeah
03:14specialist search officer Ben Thomas is dispatched to Annette Smith's empty home
03:24it is a bit of a strange one on the face of it there appears to be no reason that she has gone
03:33missing which makes it even more intriguing and that's what I find interesting if the
03:39pieces together is the finding out about why whether that person is missing voluntarily or
03:45there is potentially third-party involvement or something more sinister has happened
03:51it's that building there it looks like an old chapel
03:58okay we're heading in
04:10it's probably started to be packed up isn't it it's a piece you should have a walk through first
04:21yes
04:21it's quite big isn't it and upstairs as well
04:26huge property
04:31see lots of evidence of clothing still left you know I mean there's evidence of clothing her clothing
04:46still here what stain isn't there probably water stains but lots and lots of paperwork
04:56to work on divorce divorce and finances quite a lot of information on that
05:06one open mail
05:12look to all registry Scott a Patterson
05:18if you can just introduce for the tape your name and your date of life
05:28Scott Patterson 29th August 1979
05:31thank you so much Scott
05:32so the reason for this interview today is because Annette Smith is currently missing and we believe
05:39that you were one of the last people to have contact with her okay and the last time you saw
05:43when it was the 15th of November 2023 yeah yeah so tell us what's happened then
05:50um well cut not particularly early because it was a day off
05:55I don't usually get up very early on a day off
06:02I came downstairs and she was dressed with a packed suitcase and she said I'm going away for a while
06:09there was a knock at the door I opened the door and there was a lady standing there
06:13she said I've come to get Annette and yeah she took the suitcase
06:18and Annette went out with her and the lady put the suitcase into the boot of the car
06:25and then Annette got into the car and said I'll see you in a few days
06:29she said I'll see you in a few days
06:31yeah okay
06:31this lady have you ever seen her before
06:38do you know her name no
06:41no can you describe her to us
06:44white female
06:45short grey hair
06:48um plumpish
06:50but not fat
06:52yeah
06:52can you recall what Annette was wearing
06:55I don't remember everything
06:57but I do remember she had red leather shoes
06:59okay
07:00I didn't think oh there's something weird going on
07:03so I didn't initially contact anybody
07:06so I just thought well she's back in a couple of days
07:08yeah
07:09but then on the
07:10Friday
07:12a friend of hers came round to see her and obviously she wasn't there
07:17and this friend what's her name
07:20Pat
07:21Pat
07:21I've been friends with her since I moved in here 16 years ago
07:28when did you last see her?
07:31I popped into the house
07:34that's when I found the bed made up
07:37yeah
07:38nothing of her at all
07:40all the cabinets were all empty
07:43of all her
07:44personal bits and pieces that she had on there
07:47and that's when I gave stock text
07:49something weird, isn't it?
07:50yeah
07:51and then he texted me to say that she'd gone
07:54and the last thing I heard from her
07:57was when she told me that she was peed off with everybody
08:00and trying to sell her property
08:03she says on the 28th of the 11th
08:09was an email
08:10I'm okay Pat
08:12I'm just that pissed off about the house
08:15everyone going behind my back to get it up the south
08:18I just need to be away from it all at the moment
08:23that's the last message I got
08:25okay
08:25that's the 28th of November
08:27after she'd gone
08:29over the last probably year or so
08:35her relationship with her ex-husband deteriorated
08:39he paid all the bills
08:40yeah
08:41he paid her credit card bill every month for the sale
08:44but then he lost his business
08:46and obviously couldn't carry on paying for everything
08:52so then they started to put pressure on
08:58Annette to sell the house
09:01okay
09:02and that's kind of when the ball started rolling
09:04in terms of Annette
09:06obviously not being happy about the fact
09:07that she was going to have to leave the house
09:10so you've been living in the house still?
09:12I sort of stayed
09:14because I was thinking she'd come back
09:16yeah
09:16but then she'd contacted her ex-husband
09:20by email at some point
09:22so
09:33so
09:34so she made contact with her ex via email but she made no contact with yourself no no so you've
10:02not had any uh communication by text email no nothing like that okay there's potentially
10:10some family or friends that she may have gone to that other people may know um the details for
10:17so yes he could have gone off with this lady but we've got to identify her
10:21what about the ex-partner we don't know anything about him at the minute as well
10:24um husband's been pretty much paying the bills it's just always consideration that she has just
10:30disappeared off has been implied by family members that suddenly she's gone off in this car she
10:34disappeared off had enough of the conversations about um the house and its sale so it is plausible
10:40that she has gone off somewhere else and just wanted total freedom and disconnect
10:49people go missing all the time every forced daily management meeting we look at the number of people
10:55that are missing and the categories of those missing people whether they're high risk medium risk low
11:00risk have a missing persons case and it's not common for that person to go missing it is unusual and the
11:09circumstances around it are unusual then the police will become involved and they must assess the
11:17circumstances and the factors around that missing episode to understand whether it is something that
11:23is out of the norm she is like a nan to me i'm very close with her she could see that i was learning
11:40to drive so i could go to college so she puts the money towards my driving lessons i believe it's
11:46something like five hours she paid for which helped greatly towards me learning to drive i ended up passing
11:52two months later oh you made her proud yeah which she wouldn't be told what to do with anyone so i
11:59was just like oh she's probably had an argument with scott and got a bit stroppy and gone stay with
12:03a friend or something and she'll probably be back in a few days or something i'm thinking of like all the
12:09places she could be that maybe no one's thought of yeah when do you think the last time you spoke to her was
12:15she tried calling me when i was driving to my dad's and i found this voicemail
12:19hi darling it's just me um i'm sorry i haven't got back to you yet and i just picked up your message you
12:29hope to have an absolutely lovely christmas and merry christmas to you darling okay love you bye
12:37hello goodbye darling oh man obviously hoping for the best that she's still alive and is safe
13:08there's an email that's been forwarded to us from a friend of um annette's and her email address
13:14hello my lovely sue i'm good just away at the moment with no phone but getting a new one soon
13:23so i'll be sending out my number speak soon annette and then kiss kiss kiss kiss kiss
13:27hmm interesting a friend has received a moon pig card have a happy happy birthday promise i'll be in
13:37touch soon kiss kiss kiss love and hugs and kisses from annette kiss kiss kiss it could just be that
13:43she's elsewhere in the country and just doesn't want to be found we can contact moon pig and the internet
13:49provider and get obtain ip addresses yeah it could be somebody else pretending to be her yeah when you
14:00have a missing persons case i think the family must be extremely worried and i think that worry is
14:06is just going to increase and grow stopfold house that's where annette lives with her huge dogs
14:25one has made a hole in her wall in the house what say something
14:31better you are funny boys aren't you yes let's have a look at your face that is annette
14:44annette is my stepmom of 40 years i was about six when she met my father she drove a convertible tr7 which
14:55for a six seven year old boy was an amazing thing
14:59we ended up with a bond which was sort of more of a uh a mother and son
15:05she would always cook nice meals we'd go down to parks or we'd go
15:10shopping or we'd go out or we'd just put music on and talk
15:15when i was 21 i moved to london and the trains weren't that good back in those days so sometimes
15:22i'd end up going as far out of london as i could on the tube and then have to phone up and beg for a
15:27lift so she'd then have to drive from hertfordshire to pick me up but there was never any quibbles it
15:34was a straightaway i'll be there in half an hour you just find yourself somewhere to sit down and i'll
15:39see you soon and you know we'd often sit there over a glass of wine we'd have music playing which would
15:46always come back to a bit of rod stewart or some classic 80s and um we just talk the world to
15:53rights and just see what's going on and i'd come home sometimes and she'd be like
15:57like i'm starving and she'd go i've put some pheasant on i'm like i don't really want pheasant i just
16:06want like fish fingers and chips but i miss her i miss her immensely it's a hard time i'm suffering
16:15my family's suffering i'm very very worried
16:34now this case comes out of begfordshire police say they are actually probing the disappearance of a
16:40pensioner this is annette smith she's 74 years of age and she disappeared on november the 11th of 2023
16:48so annette is from west wing fairfield park in stockfold annette is possibly vulnerable at this
16:53stage she's 74 years of age with no sign of annette smith the missing persons team escalate the case
17:02to bedfordshire police's major crime unit mcu quite often review missing person investigations and
17:12that's usually where somebody has gone missing for quite a while and there's immediate inquiries that
17:17you can do they've been completed and they've still not managed to locate the person
17:24so as it stands at the moment um we're keeping an open mind um we don't know what's happened to annette
17:29there's there's been no confirmed sightings of her the last person that saw her was a living lodger
17:35scott patterson so obviously we've got the account now that's been given by scott which
17:40states that there was this mystery woman that we don't know who is who's turned up in a car that
17:45you can't remember much about when the missing persons investigation was initially done we have
17:49been provided some information so they've done some inquiries um of interest to me is a moon pig card
17:56that was sent um and it was a couple that were sent around christmas time yeah obviously i want to
18:01find out when they were saying and where and that's going to hopefully give us a good indication as to
18:06whether that was a net or if it was someone else doing that on her behalf let's try and establish
18:11when those cards were sent um what device that was done on and then the ip address that that might come
18:17back to okay i heard about it wasn't she living with someone yeah scott all the women love him
18:33listen annette would take anyone in that's what she's like yeah yeah that's what i should say take
18:39my bed really lovely i'll sleep on the couch yeah yeah so she's took him in and he's been there for
18:46years which is why i thought it was so lovely that he's repaying her now via caring for her
18:51bless him you know it's hard caring for someone and she thinks the world of him so
19:00if he doesn't know where she's gone then she don't want to be found
19:09i've known annette for maybe nearly 15 years she offered me somewhere to stay
19:31initially it was going to be just a few months and it turned into 12 years
19:36this hello hello darling just to let you know i've ordered you some salmon and pillow rice so
19:46you've got something to eat when you get in brilliant that's lovely thank you and see you soon
19:54get on like a house on fire yeah we go to the theater we'd go out for dinner um
20:01um we'd go on holidays so we just oh it's got on really well
20:15oh hi darling it's scott hiya darling you must be knackered yeah would you like me to get you a drink
20:22or something yeah that's great lovely thank you we can we can have a break if you want a break yeah
20:30it's all right no no no no it's fine
20:42right what do you want to know when did you last see her i think it was about the 11th or the 12th
20:48that she'd gone oh four months so november do you have any concerns about the fact that you've not
20:54seen her for a while well i'm very surprised that she hasn't been in contact with scott they were
21:00like a mother and son they have a fantastic relationship occasionally there are alarm bells
21:07that ring and you just get a sense that something isn't quite right and something more nefarious is
21:14probably at play over the last three or four years he became a bit like a carer okay and she did have
21:24have a stroke three or four years ago she basically went to bed she didn't she never came out immediately
21:35i don't know why she hasn't been in contact with scott more so yeah because he looked after her for
21:41like a long while i mean i had him fried his eyes out friday before christmas i don't know what i've
21:49done i'm doing three quarters an hour in crime on the phone because he doesn't know what he's done
21:59the reason i suspect a third party has been involved in her disappearance is pretty much around firstly
22:06the circumstances of annette going missing it's been said that annette left of her own accord but when
22:12you talk to her friends and family annette is being described as being quite infirm we also have no
22:19evidence that she left the address or that another woman collected her from either witnesses or cctv
22:26something has happened to annette and at the moment i would say that it is looking like it's somebody
22:37within that household and at the moment the only person we know of within that household is scott patterson
22:56so
23:00uh
23:04so
23:13um
23:24Alex, are you all right? You're all right, sir. Okay, we've had a bit of information
23:34received that you've been seen drinking and you've been driving, okay. So, do you want
23:39to set out the vehicle for us so we can have a chat? Thank you.
23:47To be honest with you, mate, have you had a drink? Yeah. You have had a drink? Yeah.
23:51How much have you had to drink? About that much, 4 o'clock. Right, okay. How long ago did you...?
23:58Probably about 10 minutes ago. 10 minutes ago. All right.
24:03It was quite early in the morning when he was stopped. I'm not sure that's usual behaviour.
24:11Time is 10.38, okay. Do you want to give me your hands, all right, mate? Yeah.
24:15I'm going to place you under arrest for section 4, which is under suspicion of drawing
24:20and the influence of alcohol, okay, buddy. Yeah.
24:22Do you still have that vodka with you, mate? Oh, it is some passenger seat.
24:26All right, okay.
24:32He may well be drinking more or have become dependent on alcohol through the circumstances of Annette's disappearance.
24:41I've got his phone and the bottle of vodka he had. He's in the car.
24:58As the missing persons team continue their search, the intelligence unit reanalyse the last reported contact with Annette Smith.
25:06Has anything come back and corresponded with an IP address for when those emails were sent after she goes missing?
25:12Yep. So there's two Moonpig transactions, 2nd of December and the 19th of December.
25:23They're both from Annette's account. They are from the home address.
25:29So, the IP. Oh, are they? Yeah.
25:34Ah. I mean, I think if we're putting Scott at the location on that day, we know that, you know, it can't be Annette that's sending this out.
25:42It's got to be him, hasn't it? Yeah. It's got to be Scott.
25:44I think most people know about this job. It is the investigation of Annette Smith, 74-year-old from Fairfield Park in Stockfold.
26:04And she has been missing since November. So the last proof of life for Annette comes from some spurious emails, which were sent between the end of November and Boxing Day in December.
26:18So the IP addresses of these emails has resolved back to the home address of West Wing Fairfield Park in Stockfold, which was the tipping point for raising this to a murder investigation.
26:33We obviously have to keep an open mind regarding the circumstances of the house sale, but we have ruled out any other person who might be involved other than Scott Patterson.
26:44One of the things that raises suspicion is the fact that Scott says Annette left her own accord and she was collected by a woman.
26:55We don't know who this woman is. Scott can't tell us who this woman is and neither can any family members. And we don't have any evidence of that happening either from witnesses or we don't have any CCTV evidence or anything like that.
27:09The plan is to obtain a Section 8 PACE warrant to be conducted at Fairfield Park. This is the current home address for Scott.
27:17Hello, Scott Patterson. Can we come in please? Scott, I'm arresting you on suspicion of the murder of Annette Smith. You do not have to say anything but it may harm your defence.
27:38If you do not mention when questioned, it will be due later in line before.
27:47Can you just sort of hold that with your hands at the minute, up and round the other side and do it.
28:04Why is this gent here? What's the offence?
28:05So he's been arrested on suspicion of murder of Annette Smith.
28:10Your surname please?
28:12It's Patterson with one T.
28:14P-A-T-E-R-S-O-N?
28:16Yeah.
28:17And your first name Mr Patterson?
28:18It's Scott.
28:19Sorry? Scott.
28:20Scott.
28:21Patterson started working in the care home, which was a children's home in Wilbury Road, Letchworth.
28:27Then Scott became a care manager at one of those children's homes on the outskirts of Lewton.
28:33He stopped working in the care home in 2010, saying that he'd been made redundant.
28:41And there was something that didn't quite add up around that and he felt like he left under a cloud of sorts.
28:47He worked at the farm shop in the butchery. He's not a qualified butcher, but he learnt what he needed to do watching the butchers work.
28:57Is this domestic related?
29:00It's a bit of grey area.
29:02Yeah.
29:03It's a care.
29:04They're living together, so...
29:07In 2014, Scott had moved in with Annette.
29:11Scott and Annette instantly got on really well and there was an instant connection.
29:15We've spoken to Gareth, a friend of Scott's, who he's known for 18 years or so.
29:24He says that he's very kind, kind of soft, never kind of witnessed him lose his temper at all.
29:32He has no police footprint, which, you know, again, is strange for somebody to go from absolutely nothing
29:40and no involvement with the police at all or, you know, the law in general,
29:45to then understand whether he is actually capable of murdering somebody so close to him.
29:53Any mental health conditions I need to be aware of?
29:56No.
29:57How are you feeling at the moment?
29:58OK.
29:59Do you feel well? OK.
30:01Would you like any legal advice?
30:02No.
30:03Are you sure? It's an ongoing right?
30:05Any reason why not?
30:07OK.
30:09How was he?
30:14Fine.
30:15He's just sort of laid back, chilled, if we had to describe somebody.
30:20When he said he didn't want a solicitor, I was like, hmm, OK.
30:24But we always do that, don't we?
30:25Maybe he's genuinely a witness.
30:28Or maybe this is what?
30:29So he feels like he doesn't need him?
30:30The shoes she was wearing when she left.
30:32Where did they come from?
30:33They've got photographs from her.
30:34Her bedroom.
30:35Whose bedroom?
30:36Her bedroom.
30:37The shoes he's described that she wore when she left.
30:40Oh!
30:41Yeah.
30:42So she clearly wasn't wearing them when she left.
30:43Clearly wasn't wearing them when she left.
30:44She clearly wasn't wearing them.
30:45Scott was good to me because I suffer mental health and he's just like, hi gorgeous. Hi my lovely. Hey, how are you doing? Are you alright? We were messing each other. We were watching Antiques Roadshow. He was at his house, I was at my house and I was texting him pictures going, oh, look at that brooch.
31:00Oh, I said 40 grand. And he said 40 grand. And he said, yeah, that's good. We'll have two. Like, just joking. He's just such a lovely person. Always caring, always kind. Always looks out for people. Always.
31:15He'll probably kill me for showing this picture, but not literally kill me, but you know what I mean.
31:22See the camera on the wall? Yeah.
31:23He makes me feel so loved, looked after. He's kind, he's genuine. He is such a nice bloke. He really is.
31:29Bedfordshire police is dedicated forensic unit.
31:44looked after. He's kind, he's genuine. He is such a nice bloke. He really is.
31:55Bedfordshire Police's Dedicated Forensic Unit search the suspect's home and vehicle
32:00for any trace of the missing woman.
32:09There is hair stuck to this one.
32:12Yeah, there's a root on it.
32:18With him being in custody, it's really important that we try to gather as much information as possible.
32:25And clearly that goes back to the vehicle as well.
32:29And whether there might be anything in the vehicle that might assist the investigation in some way.
32:39To be fair, I think a lot of this is going to be fairly irrelevant.
32:42Stuffed toys and things like that from what I've seen.
32:45The Christmas Killer, 12 Days of Murder.
32:49Oh God.
32:51Don't hide it.
32:53You like finding all the weird stuff.
32:56It is weird.
32:57Who would have thought you would have found something like that in a car today?
32:59You wouldn't have done, would you?
33:01Yes.
33:02But we have.
33:03Is it relevant?
33:04Not really.
33:05But is it weird?
33:06Yeah.
33:07Yeah.
33:08OK.
33:09OK.
33:10I think putting to him the evidence about the Moon Pig cards and the presents that he sent and the fact that the IP addresses for those transactions have come back to the house after Annette has supposedly gone missing.
33:27I think is crucial really, isn't it?
33:28And having that based at the home address shows that if nothing else he has knowledge on what's happened.
33:35Yeah.
33:36That needs to be managed and put to him.
33:37Clearly he's suggesting that Annette is missing.
33:42really isn't it? And having that based at the home address shows that if nothing
33:50else he has knowledge on what's happened that needs to be managed and put to him.
33:56Clearly he's suggesting that Annette is missing but has managed to send these
34:02cards and we really need to probe that don't we during interview and yeah
34:08really get some answers from him on that.
34:17He doesn't want a solicitor so yeah yes it is so they are going to go in to
34:25interview with him ASAP.
34:31If you take a seat over there. Yeah in case you didn't catch our names earlier I'm Sophia okay so we'll be interviewing you today.
34:56Yeah.
35:01This interview is being recorded this is also being monitored and by our supervisors
35:07within this investigation so they're just over the way and they're monitoring it
35:10live time so they're watching as it's playing. So I know that you've been asked if
35:15you want a solicitor and you've declined that and do you want a solicitor? No.
35:21Okay so we know that emails have been sent from Annette's account?
35:26Mm-hmm. Okay and was it you?
35:38Yeah.
35:40And why did you do that?
35:45I just still...
35:50I really don't know.
35:54I guess I just wanted to buy more time.
36:00So you're here because you've been arrested for the offensive murder against Annette Smith.
36:05So are you responsible for the death of Annette Smith?
36:19Yes.
36:20I think we were quite surprised when he said that he killed her.
36:35I don't think he's a hardened criminal. No. I think he might actually sort of... I don't even know whether it's regrets exactly but a relief to get you know. To be able to tell someone. Yeah. Yeah.
36:54The only thing we don't want to do is go to CPS for a decision right this very minute because we've got a couple more interviews planned.
37:04We have had some communication from CPS and they've raised a couple of areas for us to focus on today. One of which is around getting some statements from family.
37:15Annette was my second mum really. She was a very energetic, happy, enthusiastic person really. Her approach to life was she'd wake up with a spring in a step and she'd go to bed with a spring in a step. Her pleasure was from seeing other people happy.
37:40When Annette had her stroke and sort of fell ill and unfortunately then mobility and her struggles in life sort of took hold. I had a bit of comfort that Scott was there who seemed a nice person.
37:57Sometimes he'd tag along and we'd go out for lunch. And you know be a caring guy. Just ask nice questions and seem a nice guy. He was more of a family friend.
38:15For the next interview I'd really like to try and understand the mechanics of what he did. So because there is no obvious scene at that house.
38:25Yeah so I think the way to go forward now is break it down into different interviews with a set agenda for each interview.
38:32We know he's talking now so we can explain to him right in this interview we want to really focus on this step by step.
38:42We're not trying to catch him out now. We're just trying to give him the opportunity to tell us everything while showing that he, from our point of view, showing that he is of sound mind.
38:52Yeah.
38:53Because the big thing is now preserving that confession.
38:55Yeah.
38:56And that was pretty intense. Do you guys feel happy to continue and keep interviewing with him?
39:02Yeah, yeah, yeah.
39:03There is nothing wrong with you know taking a break and coming out and regrouping and you know having these conversations.
39:09So I think it's probably going to be quite a lengthy time in custody.
39:15To get what he's saying now is positive so just keep it up.
39:19Yeah.
39:20So in our first interview you have said that you have killed Annette. We need to understand how this has happened.
39:41I don't mean her to start to be honest but she was taken ill a few years ago. She had a mini stroke and when she got back to the house I was looking after her and she wouldn't get out of bed or do anything for herself.
40:08So I was making meals for her and just helping her do things really. And over time it became, I don't know how to explain it, but it just became difficult.
40:31She became quite demanding and she'd constantly call my name and I just felt obliged because I'd lived there for so long as her guest.
40:47And the resentment kind of really, as I say, sort of kicked in towards the end to the point where I barely sleep because I'd just be listening out for her calling my name for something.
41:06And the situation at home got, just got too much and I couldn't see a way out of it. And I just snapped one day.
41:19This was November and over this period of months he's done everything that he possibly could to try and hide the fact that a that Annette was dead and secondly, obviously that he was involved in it.
41:38You do start thinking to yourself, how can somebody carry out a murder one day and then for the next few months just carry on with their life as normal.
41:49It just really raises questions with regards to the kind of person that he is really, which again is another reason why it's so important for us to continue the investigation.
42:00I took a statement from a cleaner. She said Annette always spoke really highly of Scott and if they went on holiday they'd even like sleep in the same bed.
42:11Annette used to describe Scott as her world. Scott would always go to the shop for her and it would always be the same.
42:18She'd always want chocolate, 40 cigarettes and some brandy. But just of note, she said whole house was disgusting, always a mess, always dirty food, plates everywhere.
42:27Annette's bedroom was the worst, she'd be like laying in her own urine, there was like cigarette ash around, brandy glasses, wine glasses surrounded her.
42:39When Scott took on those caring responsibilities he really should have, you know, made sure that the house was clean and tidy and that Annette herself was looked after.
42:52Looking at the unkempt nature of the house, I would have to question how capable he was or how reliable he was in actually providing that care to Annette.
43:04Potentially there is an element of neglect there as well.
43:09Tell me in as much detail as you can, what happened that day?
43:19Erm, well it happened in the evening, at night. I waited for her to go to sleep.
43:26How did you know at what point you'd born in the sleep?
43:28I couldn't hear her snoring.
43:30OK. Whereabouts were you in the house when you were waiting for her to go to sleep?
43:33My bedroom.
43:34What were you doing? What was going through your mind?
43:38I don't know, I just was weirdly calm, just had the TV on.
43:45I think because I'd kind of been thinking about it for a few weeks, it was just something that had played over in my mind.
43:54So it was almost like I was ready when the time seemed right.
44:02I went downstairs after Annette had fallen asleep.
44:06And yeah, I put her over her face until she stopped breathing.
44:14And I left her in bed for the night.
44:24When you were suffocating Annette, did she wake?
44:27No.
44:28She stayed asleep?
44:29Yeah.
44:30Did you at any point think to stop?
44:35I did for a split second, because I realised what I was doing was wrong.
44:42But then I kind of thought I wasn't sure.
44:53I don't know, I just decided to carry on.
44:58And how did you feel whilst you were suffocating her?
45:04Just the same.
45:05Just an almost, I guess, a sort of sense of relief.
45:11And then the next morning, I moved her to the understairs cupboard, just to kind of get her out of view.
45:24But it's quite some time afterwards that I decided I need to sort of start to think about getting rid of the body.
45:39Okay, but where is Annette?
45:58Scott had really changed.
46:00It was almost like there was two sides to him.
46:03Are you saying you don't remember when you don't want to give me an answer?
46:07This is Scott here.
46:09You can see he's got two suitcases on the trolley there.
46:11Okay.
46:12The last one is him coming out with an empty trolley.
46:15It started work last July.
46:17It did involve butchering.
46:22There isn't a full body.
46:24There wasn't a full body.
46:26There's a full body.
46:27And it was also here to see.
46:29It's a full body.
46:30It's pretty good.
46:31It's pretty good.
46:32And it's a full body.
46:33All right, let's take a look.
46:34It's pretty good.
46:35It's pretty good.
46:36Show me.
46:37It's pretty good.
46:38The only thing you can see the tree is doing.
46:39It's pretty good.
46:43The other way it's doing it.
46:44So, we can still see it.
46:45This is the first thing.
46:46The other day it's not.
46:47The other day, it's a small body.
46:48The third thing.
46:49It's very good.
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