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24 Hours in Police Custody S00E35 Lost Boys (13th July 2025)
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00:30Good evening, love you, please.
00:36I'm calling to report the missing patient.
00:44My son went out in the afternoon, and he has not been home, I've been calling the phone.
00:54Has he got new friends at school, or...?
00:58Yeah, this one, it's a new friend.
01:02Have you been coming out home with new items, or anything like that?
01:05He brings new clothes.
01:11Right, do you think your son's involved in drugs?
01:14Yeah.
01:15It's crucial that we find the truth.
01:26Got to question everything, believe nobody.
01:33It's almost a game of chess, trying to get him to slip up.
01:36This is your opportunity to talk to me.
01:38Children have always gone missing, and when I was growing up, children would go missing for a couple of hours because they'd been told off by their mum and dad.
02:01I mean, I certainly did that.
02:06Unfortunately now, I've got children going missing because they're being exploited for the purpose of drug supply.
02:11They're being used because they're not known to the police, they've probably not been seen by the police, and they're less likely to get stopped by the police.
02:23Children, when I say children, I think the youngest I've experienced is ten, right up to 16, 17.
02:29Bedfordshire Police's Gangs and Guns Unit, Bowson, have received multiple calls about a 15-year-old who keeps going missing from home.
02:45We've been missing on 40 different periods over the past two years, and we believe it's for the purpose of drug supply.
02:52He returned yesterday after a period of 10 days' absence.
02:56That's a long period of time for a 15-year-old boy to be missing.
02:58We're going to arrest Gavin today because we need to try and safeguard him.
03:05So, left again.
03:09It's reported that he is now staying at the home of a family friend.
03:19Hello, is Gavin in?
03:22Put your hands up for me, my friend.
03:23What's your phone?
03:26You're under arrest, mate, in a minute, all right?
03:27Being concerned, supply of class A drugs, you don't have to say anything, but it may harm your defence.
03:30Don't mention when questioned something, but you'll later rely on in court.
03:33And if you need to do, maybe give any evidence, right?
03:35I haven't even done anything.
03:44Bad influence has changed him.
03:46Oh, 100%.
03:47Does he ever say where he goes?
03:49No, no, no.
03:50Because he disappears, don't he, for...
03:51No, if you ask me, say no, I won't tell him where I am.
03:55We're concerned that the older people are taking advantage of him.
04:02Really are.
04:03You know, we want to help him if we can.
04:04Yeah.
04:05That's the problem.
04:06All of us, sadly, he's changed.
04:08It's quite scary because I've got a child myself, a son.
04:37And, yeah, it does worry me.
04:42He'll be 12 soon.
04:44He's a bit cheeky, likes his clothes, likes his trainers, like all the kids do.
04:49I try and look at it as, in a way, that that could be my child.
04:58He's a young lad.
05:00He comes from a decent background.
05:01I don't bear thinking about my child being in that situation.
05:05Hello, buddy.
05:06How are you?
05:07Yeah?
05:08He's been arrested this morning for being concerned by class A drugs.
05:15Who else do you live with, mate?
05:17My mum.
05:19My little boy.
05:19You know, you come across some of these boys that apparently are being used.
05:29A lot of them have attitude and they don't see it as being used.
05:32They think it's all right to do what they're doing.
05:35This lad, bearing in mind he come back last night, he looks beaten.
05:41His head was down, you know.
05:42He doesn't look like it's...
05:44Oh, that's sad.
05:45You know, he does genuinely look like a victim, I would say.
05:48Yeah.
05:49We suspect he'd been out of Bedfordshire, dealing drugs, in a drugs den.
05:58Sometimes they're taken there by elder members of that criminal group.
06:05Someone's...
06:06There's text messages on.
06:11There's a phone number where he's getting threats about his mum being stabbed up if he doesn't work off what he owes.
06:19They're arguing about how many bits he's given him and how much he's returned.
06:22Yeah, but that's what happens.
06:23Debt bondage.
06:26When they start dealing for a line, they will be challenged when it's time to pay.
06:31Saying, well, where's the rest? You had more drugs than that.
06:34Where's the money?
06:35When actually they didn't have more drugs than that.
06:49They then owe that line, and then, obviously, debt bondage becomes a big issue.
07:14Threats of violence to not just them, but their families as well.
07:16So they tend to just keep doing it, even though they don't want to.
07:28We know you go missing a lot of the time.
07:32How do you function? How do you live?
07:35You must be getting fed and watered.
07:39So someone's looking after you.
07:40Like I said, I've taken me police out of, mate.
07:45We're not here to get you into trouble.
07:47We're here to help.
07:49Live with your mum.
07:50Your mum cares for you dearly.
07:51And there's messages such as, you've got to make me do something stupid.
07:58Blood, I'll shank up your mum.
08:01Blood on your mum's life.
08:02I'm going to wet up your mum.
08:05I'm assuming that is, your mum's going to get it.
08:09I'm assuming I'm going to wet up your mum.
08:12It is along the lines that she's going to bleed.
08:15She's going to come to some harm.
08:16Whether you've upset them, short-changed them, I don't know.
08:21And we can help.
08:23We can get you out of this situation.
08:26You and your mum, any brothers or sisters that you may have,
08:29get you out of looting.
08:31Don't let these idiots run your life for you.
08:37Thanks. See you, Kevin.
08:38OK, thank you.
08:38Bye-bye.
08:39Bye-bye.
08:41It is hard to get these children to open up,
08:43but the ones that have opened up, they are scared.
08:45These kids are really scared.
08:51Detectives probed the mobile number
08:53that sent the threatening messages.
08:55Oh, here we go.
08:57Two intelligence reports on that telephone number.
09:00Dunstable.
09:01The Brian line.
09:03One intel report that says they did a warrant and address
09:05and there was a list of numbers with the heading lines
09:09and one of them was Brian and that telephone number.
09:11There's intel that that line is using children to run.
09:15Yeah.
09:16Fucking hell.
09:19We're not looking for a guy called Brian, anyone called Brian.
09:22Brian is the name of a Class A drug supply network.
09:25It's what people say in their phone.
09:26We're looking for the person that's in control of that handset,
09:30in control of that number,
09:31and in control of telling these kids
09:33where to go and deal these drugs.
09:35You know, we want that face.
09:36We want that name.
09:41You know what I reckon, guys?
09:42Him giving us that PIN number to cry for help, you know?
09:44It's his only way other than saying, I need help.
09:46He wanted to see the effects.
09:49OK, mate, what's basically going to happen now
09:51is you're going to be bailed out of the police station
09:53with some conditions.
10:02Officers believe they have identified the drug dealing line
10:05that is threatening the 15-year-old and his family.
10:09The main focus, when you get a deal line phone number,
10:13the first thing you're looking to do
10:14is trying to attribute it to somebody.
10:16We obtain the billing from the service provider
10:20and that will provide us with
10:22who the most frequent callers are.
10:24Generally, you'll find the most frequent caller to a deal line
10:28is going to be the person in cahoots with the dealer
10:30and is working with them.
10:38It's registered to them.
10:40It's the address.
10:46There could be kids in there now, that address.
11:06They're basing themselves in a flat
11:09being the current home address of a clean skin.
11:12OK.
11:16And we are about 10 minutes away.
11:18We've just gone up Hatta's way.
11:20Police identify the top caller of the drug dealing line
11:23they believe is exploiting teenagers.
11:27Go, go, go!
11:34Take it on, boy, T-Roy.
11:39Ready?
11:42Stay where you are!
11:47Stay where you are!
11:48Please, stay where you are!
11:49Stay where you are!
11:50Stay where you are!
11:51Stay where you are!
11:51Hands out in front of you.
11:53Hands out in front of you.
11:54Anyone else?
11:56That's what we can do.
11:58What's your name then, mate?
12:00Jordan?
12:01Have a seat here.
12:02Hi, mate.
12:03I met you before, haven't I?
12:04Yeah, I've been a little bit of a week more, mate.
12:06Another teenage boy with a history of going missing
12:11is identified by officers.
12:14You ain't got nothing on here, have you?
12:16No, that is true.
12:17You're happy there's no-one else in there, yeah?
12:19There's no-one else in there.
12:21It's only a tiny flat anyway, isn't it?
12:23The back of CPS1, window was open on entry.
12:28Go, go, go, go!
12:29Go again!
12:30Down, down, down, down!
12:32A teenager is reported fleeing a block of flats.
12:45Where's the alleyway?
12:46Where?
12:46someone jumped out the window I literally tonight all I heard was a door gun
12:58has anyone jumped out the window listen mate if he's hurt himself we need to know
13:03someone jumped out the window
13:05what's your name mate what's your name yeah just tell me your name don't go
13:32anywhere what's your name just tell me your name buddy I could solve a hell of a
13:35lot of problems what is your name James Hall right you had to think about that
13:40what do you mean I have to think about all right you got anything on you right
13:43you're gonna be detained for a search okay section 23 missions to drug check do you
13:47understand that okay mind your head mate
14:02the suspected top caller to the Brian line is brought into police custody how
14:17much have you been arrested for concerns plug class a drugs do you understand why
14:23you've been arrested buddy yeah you think so you do
14:26yeah how old are you how tall are you buddy do you know I think you must be
14:39stand up against my measuring stick there mate he is six five bloody hell I was
14:48waiting for that just saved me from saying it
14:56we've got a sim card in that phone
15:02two oh good you know lots of drug paraphernalia all of his clean syringes and needles for drug use
15:13light 55 dark 45 owes money got money for light got money for dark totals yeah there's evidence of
15:25large-scale cutting and bagging and drug supply
15:31drug stems tend to be unkept unclean there's weapons there's needles these
15:41kids will sit in that place for days surrounded by the drug users drugs yeah
15:46I don't bear thinking about I want more my son there
15:53the boy who was arrested after fleeing from the flat is brought into custody
16:08what are you eating what time are you next do you need anything to eat or drink what would you like tea coffee
16:14mom yeah hello there I'm a class assignment today I was looking after your son I'm sorry about to bring here to go through this process but thank you for attending
16:21Do you need anything to eat or drink? What would you like? Tea, coffee.
16:28Mum? Yeah, hello there. I'm across this area. I was looking after your son.
16:33Sorry about to bring you here to go through this process, but thank you for attending.
16:40The 14-year-old boy found at the raid is accompanied by his mother in the police station.
16:46Sorry, I just wanted to know, was the house raided and he was in it or was he running out of the house?
16:54The house was raided and I understand the house was raided and he was there.
17:07Okay, are we good to start?
17:10PHONE RINGS
17:15You were arrested from your home address.
17:17Within the premises, police recover multiple phones, tick lists, drug paraphernalia,
17:21consistent with the premises being used to cut and bag Class A controlled drugs.
17:26Do you want to tell us what's been happening?
17:29To be honest with you, it's just a matter of me being involved with people that do hard drugs.
17:35And, you know, my place has different people in it quite a lot.
17:41How long have these people been coming to you for that?
17:44A good sort of six months to a year or so, I think.
17:48Of what I can, you know, recall in my head, I'm pretty out of it most of the time when I'm there.
17:54Out of it due to...?
17:56Well, not anymore, but heroin.
17:59I'm two weeks clean.
18:02At first, they were abusing my addiction.
18:04You know, they were filming drugs just to be there.
18:08But now that I'm clean, it's becoming a problem for them.
18:12But also in your flat, these are bits of paper.
18:17Are these your handwriting?
18:18They are, yeah.
18:19Yep.
18:20If we look at this £30-5L, what would that mean?
18:27That would mean someone asked for Five Light.
18:32Five Light went out of a batch and it was £30 and it cost.
18:35So what's Five Light?
18:38Cocaine reps.
18:41So you were helping out the sale of drugs in the sense that you're the bookkeeper?
18:49Well, no, not the bookkeeper.
18:51In the sense of not wanting to get my head kicked in.
18:54OK.
18:55You know?
18:56Whenever they'd have stuff, they'd try and put debts on my head.
18:59And so I would write down exactly how much money went in and out.
19:04They are confirmation that I didn't owe any money out
19:08or things weren't going missing in my flat or anything like that.
19:12So you've made a note that someone...
19:14I made sure I had my back covered
19:17because otherwise they'd put debts on my head
19:19and then they'd become abusive.
19:21Even if it was like £2 that had gone from anywhere,
19:24they'd try and put it on me.
19:27So you felt you had the obligation to allow these people in there?
19:30How long have you lived there?
19:34Almost five years now.
19:37Family?
19:38No.
19:39No family?
19:40I do have several types of families.
19:43I have my adopted family, but they're not really in my life.
19:46My real family that I don't want to be a part of.
19:51And then that's about it.
19:53OK.
19:54So no one you're in contact with?
19:56No one.
19:57Organised crime groups,
20:00they love somebody that's got an addiction.
20:02They prey on those people.
20:04We do find that drug users that are cuckooed don't have loved ones,
20:10they don't have close friends, they have no one to turn to,
20:13no one to ask for help.
20:14And the organised criminals and what we call the elders of the gangs know that.
20:19He's been exploited massively.
20:22He's very lonely.
20:24Usually what happens is on a daily basis now people will turn up,
20:27he lets them in, or if he doesn't let them in,
20:29other people already there will let them in.
20:31He doesn't confront them, he lets it go by,
20:34because safety is paramount to him and he knows if he causes an issue,
20:38there's going to be issues for him.
20:40Yep.
20:45It just drives me to keep going,
20:47because at the end of the day there's always someone older and bigger up the chain
20:51that are using these people.
20:53The very first time I took heroin, I was a child.
21:14My mum used to try and keep us warm and homeless with it.
21:20I had it at a very young age.
21:23And then I started doing it myself, probably about 17 years old.
21:29And then it gets you, it hooks you with drugs,
21:34you get involved with stupid people, with stupid people,
21:37you get stupid situations and so it's just a bad path.
21:44Detectives are investigating the exploitation of teenagers and drug addicts
21:49by organised crime groups who use them to deal drugs.
21:58The 17-year-old boy who was arrested while fleeing the drugs den is interviewed.
22:09I first knew him when he was a young teenager
22:11and he then became a member of the local gang.
22:15He was young, vulnerable, taken advantage of.
22:18Like any teenage boy or girl, we would always offer safeguarding.
22:22That wasn't always greatly received, unfortunately.
22:25Right.
22:26Have you been interviewed before yet?
22:28Yeah.
22:34First question I have to ask you is the most important one.
22:37What spooked you so much that you jumped from a building?
22:42No comment.
22:43That's some 40 feet in the air.
22:47No comment.
22:51Do you think you were Batman?
22:52No comment.
22:53Think you can fly?
22:54No comment.
22:55Did you leave anything behind when you jumped out the window?
23:01Did you leave that phone behind?
23:02Did you leave that phone behind?
23:07This is on the windowsill.
23:09You jump out the window, but you leave your phone behind.
23:16So let's talk about you.
23:18Do you go to college?
23:20No.
23:21No?
23:22Have you got any employment?
23:24No.
23:26No.
23:27Do you claim any benefits?
23:28No comment.
23:31So what are you doing over in Dunstable at 4 o'clock in the afternoon?
23:38You're drug dealing?
23:39No comment.
23:42So what's a 17-year-old and a 14-year-old doing rocking up at a 23-year-old's flat?
23:49Jordan is a drug addict.
23:51He's a vulnerable person.
23:55No comment.
24:07So the two people there yesterday, are they people that frequented your flat from time to time?
24:13They had been there a couple of times.
24:16I didn't realise there was two of them there yesterday.
24:18I thought it was just...
24:20I can't remember his name.
24:21Do you know who these people were yesterday?
24:23I know who they are, yeah, but I don't hang out with them.
24:27And who comes to your flat more?
24:31YB.
24:32You knew the tall black lad as YB?
24:35As YB.
24:36What does YB stand for?
24:37Young boy?
24:38Young blood?
24:39Young blood?
24:40Young blood?
24:41Yeah.
24:42YB.
24:4352 light and 20 dark, written there.
24:46What do you understand that to mean?
24:50And then we have YB gave one out for free.
24:56Who's YB?
24:58What does YB stand for?
25:03Young boy?
25:04Young blood?
25:06Are you YB?
25:09I think you are.
25:13Just drop these off and I'll come back.
25:32Good news.
25:33This is the phone that was found on the window ledge.
25:35It's the Brian line.
25:37Yeah.
25:37Order the taxi.
25:39Yeah, that's right, because I was around about 1440.
25:41This is a taxi company sending a message saying your taxi's en route.
25:45Your taxi's en route.
25:46Where it is?
25:47Yeah.
25:48Obviously, there's loads of messages.
25:50He's advertising crack and heroin.
25:53What?
25:53Like mail shotting?
25:54Yeah.
25:55Oh.
25:55Well done, Primi.
25:56With the phone seized from the flat confirmed as the Brian line, officers can now get details
26:03of when top-ups were made from the service provider.
26:07A lot of these phones that we find, they're pay-as-you-go phones, and they're unregistered.
26:14But with a pay-as-you-go phone, you have to go into a shop.
26:18You know, if they're corner shops, generally they sell alcohol, and if they sell alcohol,
26:23they need CCTV.
26:36Here's Jaden Lewis.
26:39Jaden Lewis has just walked in with someone else, Gazza.
26:41It ties him to the phone.
26:49I think he's in charge of this line, or he's certainly well up there.
26:53He's one of the bigger players.
26:58It is a shock to see someone that young being trusted.
27:02I mean, these deal lines are worth thousands and thousands of pounds.
27:06He's got to have earned that trust, whether that be violent crimes, running drugs for
27:13the elders.
27:15Might be worth getting the footage for the doorway to see who you talk to.
27:24The kid.
27:31That is fantastic.
27:33Because that shows he's exporting them.
27:34Put them together, yeah.
27:34Put them together.
27:36Jaden's the one with the money.
27:37Jaden's the one buying the drinks and handing them over to the kid.
28:06What we do see is we see victims become the offenders, i.e. they will start exploiting not to be exploited.
28:21Tell me about the kid.
28:23Tell me about the kid.
28:29He's 14 years of age.
28:33Is he a drug dealer as well?
28:35Of 14 years of age?
28:36There's another boy who should have been in school yesterday, i would have assumed.
28:48Do you understand what the word duress means?
28:50I'm going to explain to you what I think, what my explanation of duress is.
29:04If people make you do stuff that you don't want to do, what these people usually get you to do is illegal, yeah, and you have to go along with it because you're maybe being threatened, your own safety or your family's safety or your friends' safety. Is that the case?
29:19What is your role that I would put to you, that perhaps your role in this? Jordan's got the premises, yeah? He's got the flat. You're the one with all the drugs and you've got the young boy who's dealing for you.
29:39Could that be the case? You've found yourself in this flat with drug equipment that looks like drugs are being sold from that place. You don't want to be there, but you have to be there because you're being forced to work there. Is that the case?
29:53I would be very reluctant to prosecute somebody that's 17 years of age, if I believe they were innocent. But people that are 17 years of age can be the exploiter.
30:14I think you're streetwise enough to be an exploiter. What do you say to that?
30:23You're willing to tell us who you're working for. Any reason for you being at that address yesterday?
30:35You're saying no comment all you like. That's good, yeah, that's good, I like that.
30:42Yeah. Like I explained to you in the beginning of the interview, if you don't say something today and you later say a call, yeah, the call will say, well...
30:52Then you had that chance to talk to Gary. Okay. Time on my way to 11.44 and we'll conclude this interview.
31:01I've got no further questions. I'm now concluding this interview.
31:16Excuse me. Sorry, are you your mum? Yeah. You are? Okay.
31:23So, my name's Will. I'm the detective sergeant. So, the plan is that we're going to release tonight.
31:28Um, I've got significant concerns about doing that, if I'm honest. Um, I wanted to make you aware that I'll probably be speaking to social services tomorrow and we'll be basically saying to social they need to do something to help you, uh, to safeguard him, because I'm not going to do anything.
31:35Whatever is going on at the moment, it isn't working. No. I think a lot of stuff that he does is because he's hurt from the way.
31:41And it's just to get money for that. Mm.
31:42But then I just want to get help to get a kid off of weed. It's like, it's not going to do anything.
31:47It's not going to be impossible.
31:49Yesterday, he went out. As soon as he went out, I was just stressed and worrying about what he's...
31:55..but, you know, I was just trying to get money for that. But then I just want to get help to get a kid off of weed. It's like impossible.
32:08Yesterday, he went out. As soon as he went out, I was just stressed and worrying about what he's...
32:12Yesterday, he went out. As soon as he went out, I was just stressed and worrying about what he's doing or where he is, and then today, now.
32:21The officers are doing it with you very expeditiously. They've done that because of your age. You're 14 years old, all right?
32:27So, you're getting released tonight. It'll be what we call as released under investigation, all right? And that's what I'm going to be doing.
32:34Being out of school and hanging around with nothing to do all day has made it a big spiral.
32:39And then, obviously, I don't work all day, and my husband's at work all day, but you can't keep an eye on the shape or seven, because it's the same.
32:47Which is why, you know, I do think that relocating needs to be strongly considered.
32:53But the main thing is, it's not about starting the slippery slope. He's on the slope already.
32:59And it's whether we keep clawing back from that, because the pupil is associating with very much inside of it already.
33:09If your child's repeatedly getting picked up by the police, and no matter what you say to them, they will just carry on doing it.
33:19You know, as a parent, you would be bereft because this is your child. You want the best for them.
33:25And there's a sense of hopelessness.
33:30You can be released under investigation now. Essentially, you just need to wait till the officer contacts you, OK?
33:35The whole criminal justice system is geared up to not criminalise children, and that's right.
33:42Where we have the problem is that these organised crime groups are really savvy, because if those lads get caught, you know, what the police can do and what the courts can do is very limited.
33:52Unfortunately, if they keep committing crimes, they're going to reach the age of 18, never having had to answer the crimes they've committed.
34:02That, in turn, I think, is what makes them continue.
34:07Jaden Lewis, almost 18 years of age, you know, that's all he knows, I think, you know, and that's the problem, isn't it?
34:15You look at them now, so who's involved? You've got Gavin's 14, he's 14.
34:29But he's only 17 himself.
34:32So there's got to be a boss man or woman that's running them. There's got to be.
34:40Good evening, Doctor, please.
34:55I'm calling to report the message in person.
34:58OK.
35:00My worries is I don't know where it is and what is going on.
35:05But you know Gavin has gone missing again.
35:14Yeah, it's quite possible, isn't it? Or the ace line.
35:22There's massive crossover, isn't there?
35:27Yeah.
35:28These kids will deal different drugs for different drug lines and they will get moved around
35:32because if they are seen in an area too much by the police, they will become what they call hot.
35:42He's a kid. We need to work together and try and support him, get him away from these people.
35:47The 14-year-old boy found in the drugs den is missing again.
35:51Police receive a call offering information.
35:55You've done the right thing here.
35:57And that's what's going to give him a chance at the end of the day.
36:00So Ant-Man was the one doing the organising.
36:04Recruited by two males, Ant-Man and Nuts.
36:10Ant-Man is Jamal Andal.
36:13I know that. It's been his nickname for years.
36:16Great. Well done.
36:21Current intelligence suggests that Jamal is using young males to deal class A drugs,
36:25namely crack and heroin on his behalf.
36:30He's well known to police.
36:31Previous arrests for possession of criminal property, possession of an imitation firearm,
36:35a fray and theft of the motor vehicles.
36:47Police!
36:48Police!
36:50Police!
36:51Police!
36:52Police, show your hands, police officers.
36:53Give me your hand.
36:54Stop resisting.
36:56Stop resisting.
36:57Stop resisting.
36:58Don't tighten up.
37:00on the coffee table we've got a ford car key and a burner phone just just beside him where he was
37:21sleeping we've got another burner phone a smartphone oh mate it's got loads with zip
37:26sim cards in a deal bag there you go
37:42oh yes all the gear loads of tickets you've got cocaine you've got loads of crack you're looking
37:50at probably a good couple of hundred of rocks there
37:59what's up man you have a job
38:00please
38:19this has changed so much since the last time i've been here do you like what we've done with the place
38:26i think you're the person who interviewed me could be i've been here for a long time when i got done
38:32for armed robbery and i went straight to jail that's the last time i've been here i think you're the one
38:38who used to wear a suit yeah yeah it'd be an irony if i send you back to prison wouldn't it yeah man
38:44prison's not a good place i promised myself i should not do anything to get me back there
38:49but that went to ratchet no no no no do you reckon we'll see we'll see why you're laughing at my
39:00situation that's like that that's what i like about police officers because you use a lot of scene to
39:04like laugh at that people's misery well obviously we come at things from different we come at things
39:09different perspectives don't we yeah yeah yeah yeah cool but if i go to jail you're laughing at my
39:14misery misery that's of course that that's rude that's what you call is rude we're just being
39:21friendly with you don't banter
39:38i didn't cotton on at first i thought perhaps these are people's initials right
39:52we've got sa hh st albans hemel hemstead oh okay they've labeled they've labeled the sim cards for
40:03the lines for the lines that they're running on that's good isn't it because we are looking at
40:07cloudy lines at the end of the day and you can you can bet your bottom dollar they're going to be
40:10exploiting children to do that just sit around the other side for me please thank you
40:26the first question i have to ask you there's lots of um sim cards found in your bedroom any reason for
40:33that do you never throw anything away when we download those will we find drug related messages or contacts
40:47if you could just take your head off the uh the side
40:52i need to know that you're awake i need to know that you're awake i'm awake if i got my head down for the
40:58interview's sake i'm awake for everyone to know i'm just not talking now if we find hundreds of wraps
41:05of crack and heroin in your ford focus does that surprise you what have we got here we've got crack
41:13and we've got heroin oh bugger me it's another customer do you want to answer it those phones
41:21don't stop ringing all day you're a very busy drug dealer aren't you break for a moment yeah i want
41:28to stop a quick break okay so i just looked i think there were six yeah i looked at all six sims
41:43so it looks like he's giving these sims out and then he's telling them what to do analysis of the
41:48captured sim cards reveals direct contact with one of the missing teenagers um so this is his mobile number
41:54so uh 45 out they're all outgoing again um 34 voice 11 texts could have been like being sort of
42:03running for the line then and he's being um instructed by the person holding the ace line
42:07yeah which you would expect you know if he was he was working for them then generally it's going to be
42:12outgoing calls yeah they're going to be telling him go to this road go to that road the fact that we've
42:18got handle in the same room as the phone is is good but um we we know we can't put him need to put
42:26him hands on that phone so i think cps will be asking the question well whose phone is it then
42:40there's several roles in drug dealing there are the people that cut and bag the drugs
42:44there are the people that go out on the streets and sell the drugs
42:53well are you somebody that exploits children exploits their vulnerability because of their age
42:59throw money at them
43:02big them up and then put them into trap houses in sussex
43:09in ken cambridge all children from luton one of the people on our radar is 15.
43:19is he one of your runners part of your drug dealing empire not a very nice thing to do exploit children
43:27i just want this interview to finish okay it's the serious serious allegations i understand yeah you
43:38understand that i've got to ask you questions same as the way you because it may be that you've said
43:43here it's a bit serious what can you do it's anything you'd like to say and we'll conclude this in here
43:59all right you all right sergeant
44:03it's been explained to you what's happening so you're getting sort of police bowled but i'm not liked
44:08around there i might walk home and get stabbed i'm not liked around there serious serious it's
44:14it's a serious issue i'm not gonna walk home i'm brisk my life it doesn't make sense i've been shot
44:19i've been stabbed it doesn't make sense and i've been stabbed could walk home get stabbed that's not
44:27safe for me i'll tell you that yeah i haven't done nothing wrong in my life i'm a good individual
44:34i'm just a victim police lack the evidence to connect jamal andel to child exploitation
44:45as the car where the drugs were found has a different registered owner it's careless
44:53shot and stamped it's dangerous that's what it is
44:56you lose your life life you lead if the children and the juveniles that we deal with if they could
45:02perhaps have an insight into uh jamal andel's life for instance that's going to be their life
45:08that's what's going to happen to them if they carry on down the path they're going so the officers are
45:13going to come to take you home yeah yeah
45:17okay
45:32we've just had a
46:02we've just had a um an email come through from the met police gavin has gone missing again
46:08second time since christmas
46:09well i don't understand what more we can do i've got such a big hold over it
46:13it's a sad old state of affairs but and on it goes and on it goes and on it goes
46:19i mean when you think you know is a child a lost cause you're always hoping your heart of hearts
46:23because you're a parent yourself you want that child to turn their life around to want to turn their
46:29life around and if they want to change then there are systems in place there are organizations in
46:34place that can help them the day we give up we might as well just throw in their badge and
46:38and walk away you know there's always hope that you can help change somebody's life
46:53and help them to take care of themselves and then go ahead and do that
46:56and do that
46:58and do that
47:00and do that
47:02and do that
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