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00:00All right, now we go out to the River Islands guest line
00:02for our friend Dalton Johnson, NBC Sports Bay Area.
00:05And Dalton, why are you tweeting out pictures of Sinatra in New York
00:09if you're not actually in New York?
00:11I was getting a little outside of myself having fun with the internet last night
00:16just with the non-sports news of the day, I guess you could say, yesterday.
00:21So I'll keep it at that before I get any more people coming at me.
00:26But I was not in New York.
00:27I still am in the back in front of me that.
00:29Okay, I get it.
00:30I get it now.
00:31You were trying to start spreading the news, and it wasn't about the NBA draft.
00:36I see you working, DJ.
00:38All right, yeah.
00:39You actually won me back right away there.
00:41That was nice.
00:42There we go.
00:43Okay, all right.
00:45No, Dalton, great to have you today.
00:47The NBA draft's in a few hours.
00:49Obviously, the second round is not until tomorrow.
00:52But what do you expect the Warriors' involvement to be
00:55over the next 30 hours of our lives?
00:57Yeah, I mean, we're coming right into the draft, obviously.
01:00I would be very, very surprised if they find their way into the first round.
01:04I don't expect them to be on the clock today by any means.
01:07But tomorrow's going to be interesting.
01:09I mean, I think 41 is a really, really good spot for them, to be honest with you.
01:13You know, we obviously have seen what Mike Dunleavy has done the last two years with second-round picks.
01:19When you look at Trace Jackson Davis, 57, Quentin Post, 52, and now you go up to 41.
01:25And both of those guys, you know, they played past expectations, for sure, as rookies.
01:30But I just think that the way that college basketball has changed is actually really favors the Warriors right now,
01:37where NIL and all these things have just changed the game.
01:40We're not going to see a project, guys.
01:42We're not going to see a Kaminga.
01:43We're not going to see even a Moses Moody.
01:45I'm not talking about an 18-year-old, a 19-year-old.
01:48Throughout the pre-draft process, the Warriors have been bringing in seniors, four-year seniors, five-year seniors,
01:54even like two, six-year seniors.
01:56I'm talking about 22, 23, 24-year-olds.
02:00Like, that's who I'm looking at.
02:02So I think that they are going to find somebody who at some point as a rookie can be someone who can contribute for the Warriors.
02:10And if you can find a cheap player that has that college experience, that Steve Kerr can trust,
02:15we know he likes guys with college experience, then I think that 41 overall could be actually a really solid landing spot for the Warriors.
02:23Yeah, and interesting when you bring in Quentin Post, who I think was a six-year college player,
02:28and TJD, who was at least 23 when he came in, it feels like they're moving in that direction.
02:35So positionally, I'm not going to pepper you with who's your name and who's on your mock,
02:40because the majority of our listeners haven't heard of them.
02:43But positionally, what do you think they're looking to prioritize?
02:47Yeah, I mean, I think obviously right away, when you think positionally,
02:50that anyone from the outside is going to go, we've got to get bigger!
02:54Just don't give me someone who's 5'11", 6'6", 6'1".
02:57I totally get that.
02:58But the first one that I am going to give you a name, because I think that it's positional size more than anything.
03:04Like, I think that you can find bodies at 41, and I'm a really, really big fan of this guy,
03:11Seon James, from Duke.
03:14Fifth-year guy, played one year at Duke, and kind of took a little bit of a backseat to Cooper Flagg,
03:20Conk Knipple, you know, like these big-time freshmen who are going to be top 10 picks, obviously.
03:24We know where Cooper's going to go.
03:27But this guy, Seon James, I mean, we just watched the Oklahoma City Thunder.
03:32We saw what that defense can do.
03:33We saw what someone like Lou Dort can do.
03:36This is that type of player.
03:38Like, him and Lou Dort have almost exact measurables.
03:41They look like football players who are a hand of the basketball and said,
03:45Oh, I can make millions doing this, too.
03:47Great.
03:48Here we go.
03:49So he's like 6'5", 220, crazy muscle-bound, can get downhill offensively.
03:56His first calling card, I think, is going to be defensively.
03:58But he's really, really improved as a catch-and-shoot three-point shooter.
04:03This last year at Duke, I mean, he was almost around 45% when it was just pure catch-and-shoot.
04:08So kind of that modern 3 and D wing.
04:11And then one other guy I'm going to give you guys, too.
04:14Again, positional size.
04:16This guy, Toby Brea, from Kentucky.
04:18A fifth-year guy.
04:19Played one year at Kentucky.
04:20Another transfer, just like we keep seeing, to these bigger schools.
04:25But this guy can just shoot the lights out.
04:28And I'm a firm, firm believer that the Warriors really badly need shooting and scoring.
04:35I understand, like, the other areas of improvement as well.
04:38Other areas of need.
04:40But I think that if you can find someone who has that college age, that college experience,
04:46who knows his role, come off the bench and shoot the ball, get you guys some points,
04:50that's Toby Brea.
04:51I love the fact that he was a two-time six-man of the year at Dayton before he came to Kentucky.
04:58And the numbers just kept going.
05:00I mean, he shot, like, 43.5% in his five-year career.
05:05Last two years, overall, 46.5% from three on six three-point attempts per game.
05:13So, like, this is high volume, high accuracy.
05:15So, I think if you can find a three-and-D guy or, like, a pure shooter, it just has to be a pure NBA trait
05:23that can carry over, obviously, right?
05:26So, a handful of ways that they can go.
05:28But I really do think that there's a number of players that, on these big boards from 35 to 50,
05:35that the Warriors can be like, oh, I like that guy.
05:38So, I think it's a solid spot for them overall right now, actually.
05:42Dalton Johnson, NBC Sports, Bay Area, joining us here on Willard & Dibs as we get ready for the NBA draft
05:48and, obviously, the NBA offseason already underway.
05:50So, if that's the way you kind of see the draft laying out,
05:53I wonder what your commentary would be on something else Mike Dunleavy said.
05:58And that was earlier this week.
06:00He said, after the draft, we definitely see ourselves as getting into the mix
06:05with regard to all of the trade chatter going on.
06:09What does that mean to you, Dalton, that the Warriors will be in the mix?
06:14Well, it's just, number one, I think we're just going to see a crazy offseason of trades.
06:18I mean, look at the way that the CBA is in these aprons
06:21and what is already affecting these teams that have won a championship not too long ago
06:27with the Boston Celtics, obviously.
06:29You know, I mean, the offseason really started with the Desmond Bain trade.
06:33You know, the free agency is one part of it, but it's just going to be so many trades out there.
06:38So, I think for someone like Mike Dunleavy, you go back to even the Jimmy Butler trade.
06:42It's just understanding the market and kind of being ready for anything.
06:47The Luka trade obviously threw, like, the biggest frickin' knuckle we've ever seen
06:52before the trade deadline and had everyone scramble and going,
06:56okay, well, what else can we do?
06:57And that's where I think that we're just going to see so many rumors and trades
07:03and this and that that Mike is – he's not afraid.
07:06I'll tell you that much.
07:07Ever since we've seen him take over as GM, he's willing to make the move.
07:12I think that they've already made the big-time move.
07:16Like, we're not going to see another Jimmy Butler type of move,
07:19I don't expect, from the Warriors this offseason.
07:22But they certainly are going to understand the pulse of what's around them, for sure.
07:27And I think Dunleavy is good at that.
07:29You know, he's very active.
07:31He's certainly not sitting back.
07:33He's making the calls.
07:34He's ready.
07:35So, I think just overall, he expects it to be a very active offseason in the NBA.
07:42And the Warriors are always going to be in the mix there when it comes to that.
07:45So, does that mean a superstar's on his way?
07:48I wouldn't say that.
07:50I think that, you know, yeah, sure, they would love to hear their name,
07:54in any kind of Giannis whisper or rumors.
07:57Of course, it's always been a dream of theirs.
08:00But when it comes to the superstar,
08:02I think that the star has already been brought in when it comes to Jimmy Butler.
08:05And now it's all about, well, what makes sense around those three guys, obviously.
08:10And if they're going to be in the mix,
08:12would you imagine that Jonathan Kaminga and a sign-in trade
08:16would have to be a big part of them being in the mix for something?
08:19Yeah, I mean, Jonathan Kaminga, he dictates their offseason.
08:24It's simple as that.
08:25He does.
08:26I mean, if they purely sign, like, if they sign him for him to be on the roster
08:32this upcoming season, it does, you know, kind of tie them up a little bit
08:37for what else they can do the rest of this offseason.
08:40When we talk about aprons and the tax and all of that,
08:44and then you're looking at, okay, veteran minimums
08:46and trying to get creative with some of these other contracts
08:49that they have, and obviously they own their first-round picks going forward,
08:54which is another asset that they can use.
08:57So Jonathan Kaminga really does, he has the ball in his court.
09:00He dictates the Warriors' offseason right now.
09:03And what does he want?
09:04What do they want with him?
09:06And they can't wait long on really kind of figuring out this answer
09:11when it comes to J.K.
09:12He's a restricted free agent.
09:15Mike Dunleev understands that that can drag on.
09:17But I think that Mike Dunleavy made it a point to let us know on Monday
09:22and to come out and say it publicly, like,
09:24I want to have a resolution to this sooner than later.
09:28He knows that they can't be sitting back while all this action's going on.
09:32And they're just going, all right, J.K., like, what's it going to be?
09:35Do you want to be with us?
09:36Do you want to move on?
09:38Can we do a sign-and-trade?
09:39They can't be, you know, all of a sudden blink, wake up two weeks later,
09:43and they don't know what's going on with Jonathan Kaminga.
09:45This has to happen somewhat soon in the free agency.
09:50All right.
09:50Dalton Johnson is with us.
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10:04All right, Dalton, let's dive into that a little bit.
10:06Like, wanting to know what Jonathan wants.
10:08I think we learned in The Athletic today what he wants, right?
10:12And so I get that the sign-and-trade, all of these options are complicated and difficult,
10:20but that said, to me when I read that, it was like these interests are not on the same page.
10:27They've got to move on.
10:29I'm wondering from your standpoint, put a percentage on this.
10:33What are the chances that Jonathan gets dealt here in the next few weeks?
10:38Okay, here's why it's hard to put a percentage on it.
10:41And like, I want to give you the peer percentage, I promise you.
10:44I'm not trying to completely dance around this.
10:46But just why it is somewhat complicated is that, do I expect Jonathan Kaminga to be with the Warriors long-term?
10:56I wouldn't bet on that.
10:57No, I still don't.
10:58But I can very much see a scenario where they do sign him and say, at this contract number now, you have him at his full contract.
11:09It might be a lot easier, asset-wise and trading-wise, to move on from him in December or at the trade deadline.
11:17And then, of course, that brings complications of, does Steve Kerr really want to keep having to answer questions about Jonathan Kaminga, his role?
11:24Steph Curry as well, Draymond Green as well.
11:27So, like, there are, it just feels like there's domino effects to, like, every single thing that they're going to do with Jonathan Kaminga right now.
11:35And you brought it up as far as what he wants.
11:38Nothing that he said to Anthony was a surprise.
11:42Nothing that Slater wrote was a surprise.
11:44It's the same that we've been hearing really since day one.
11:47I mean, Jonathan Kaminga wants to be a guy, like, the guy for a team.
11:53And I don't truly blame him for that.
11:55I mean, he came in as a number seven overall pick.
11:57He came in as all this hype, as a big-time recruit.
12:01And we know what it's been for four years.
12:03A lot of ups, a lot of downs, a lot of kind of riding the wave in the rotation and trying to figure out who he is.
12:11But the one thing that I just want to be done with, and I think the Warriors want to be done with, is the hypotheticals, is the, on paper, it's this.
12:20No, no, no.
12:21What is the reality?
12:22You've seen it for four years.
12:24Do you really trust it's going to be something else different, that he can be a guy instead of the guy?
12:31And that's what's tough right now is that I can very well see a scenario where they do sign him,
12:37and he's on the team to begin the season without it still being a long-term, hey, we're going to hand the keys to you,
12:43and we're going to see Kaminga for the next decade in the Warriors jersey.
12:47I just don't see that happening.
12:48But I know that Joe Lacob does not want to get rid of this guy for nothing.
12:54Like, he will not, we will not see J.K. be gone in a much, in a different jersey for nothing in return.
13:02Like, that's pretty much the only guarantee that I can give right now on J.K.
13:06The hypotheticals are bananas, Dalton Johnson here on 95-7, the game.
13:10So, June 25th, Dalton, we've got the draft coming up in an hour.
13:14What's the timeline of the moves that can or might be made, whether it's an offer from another team,
13:20I know they'd have two days to match, or the Warriors, what can they do offer-wise, contract-wise,
13:26and when could all this happen?
13:29It could happen very soon, for sure.
13:31I mean, now that, you know, we're finally done with the NBA season,
13:37it felt like it dragged on forever, obviously, going to Game 7 in the finals.
13:41Like, this is, it's go time for the Warriors.
13:44And Mike acknowledged that on Monday, that, hey, we can be talking with them now.
13:48We expect good conversations.
13:51Of course, that's a lot of GM talk, right?
13:53A lot of GM speak that Mike did with that.
13:56But it's also not surprising that this story came out today when it comes to what Jonathan Kaminga wants for his future.
14:04I'm not surprised that I think that he wants that out there also, too,
14:08that he wants to just have a chance to lead a team, that he wants a chance to be the guy that's trusted.
14:16And Steve Kurek said, hey, if we bring back Kaminga, yeah, we're going to try that combination a lot more
14:22with Steph and Kaminga and Butler and Graymon.
14:26But as the Warriors saw last season, they can't be in playoff mode from February on.
14:33Like, they need to know exactly who they are as a team within the first month.
14:38And that's what worries me going forward when it comes to this Kaminga conundrum.
14:44And, like, I don't want to blame one side or the other,
14:47but what I do know is that, like, you can't be having this cloud hangover for months on end.
14:54That's the last thing that the Warriors need right now.
14:56You have a full offseason, a full season with Jimmy Butler.
14:59That's the team that you know you are.
15:01You know that you are Steph Curry, Jimmy Butler, and Draymond Green.
15:06You don't know if you're John Kaminga or not or anybody else.
15:09It's not even just J.K. there, right?
15:11So, they just need to know who they are and not have to keep answering these questions
15:17for weeks and months on end.
15:19I think that's really well said.
15:21Hey, Dalton, before you boogie here, you know, you mentioned the scenario of, like,
15:29you could see the Warriors and Kaminga, because they won't give them up for nothing,
15:33coming to some sort of a number and kind of pushing this down the road.
15:37Do you have any sense at all for what that number would be?
15:43I wish I did, because I think his season last year so complicates that number.
15:50We heard some numbers, obviously, of last offseason, and they didn't come to terms
15:55with the rookie contract extension.
15:57But Kaminga's camp can go, hey, this is a guy who just averaged, what was it, 24, 25, 26
16:03when Steph's out.
16:05And then the Warriors can go, okay, well, he doesn't fit a top five greatest player
16:10of all time.
16:11Who cares?
16:11And then other teams are going, is that what we want?
16:15Or is he more on the timeline of a Brooklyn Nets who has five first-round picks right now?
16:21So, man, I wish I could pinpoint that number.
16:24But it feels like it's such a large variable for so many different teams, too, because of
16:29the kind of season Kaminga had, both because of the injuries and both because of the fit
16:35and both because of he had time, too, where, I mean, it felt like the keys were going to
16:40be handed to him.
16:41Draymond Green went to the bench for a game for this guy.
16:44And then all of a sudden, he was the one who was getting DNP'd.
16:47It was one of the more wild seasons for a player without a ton of controversy.
16:52But just as far as the ups and downs, that I can remember in a long, long time.
16:59No doubt.
16:59Hey, Dalton, great stuff.
17:01And we appreciate your time on a busy day.
17:03And enjoy New York.
17:05Yeah.
17:06Yeah.
17:07Yeah.
17:08Petaluma, New York, it's the same thing.
17:11Petaluma is the New York of Sonoma County, some have said.
17:14I like that.
17:15There it is.
17:16Yeah.
17:16Boom.
17:17Boom.
17:17All right, Dalton.
17:18Thanks, man.
17:19See you guys.
17:20Okay.
17:20See you later.
17:21He's right.
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