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00:00I thought that was an interesting conversation.
00:02One thing he said there at the end stuck out to me.
00:06And then one thing he said at the very beginning stuck out to me.
00:10And this is sort of the motto of Giants baseball.
00:12So we started with, obviously, the frustration of the lack of hitting,
00:17especially last night.
00:18And he goes, don't forget, we do win our share of games.
00:22And they do.
00:24The Giants are good.
00:25They're 44 and 35.
00:27At the very end, though, he's answering one of your questions.
00:31And he goes, he doesn't really go, yeah, we're frustrated by last night.
00:37Then he goes, I mean, just in general, we're frustrating.
00:41Frustrating.
00:42Not frustrated, but we are frustrating on the regular.
00:46You really are.
00:48You really are.
00:50And I guess that maybe we just need to make peace with that.
00:54Because the 2010 and 12, like, they were too.
00:59So I don't know, like, has something changed with the world, with baseball?
01:07I don't know.
01:09I don't know exactly how to reckon with this.
01:12But the Giants are a good team.
01:15But they're frustrating.
01:16And I feel that.
01:19In the building last night, my phone is getting a lot of, like, right?
01:23There's every night, yeah.
01:25Like, I got a lot of friends who are, like, me kind of Giants fans.
01:30Like, it's Tuesday, but we're like, let's freaking go.
01:35Like, let's get a win.
01:36And the phone, after every inning, is just, like, people are pulling the hair out of their heads.
01:43But 10 games over 500, they've given up the fewest runs in the National League.
01:49You know, like, this is good.
01:51This is largely going well.
01:52But, man.
01:54What?
01:55Well.
01:56I mean, not totally dull and boring.
01:58Like the old three-hour and 20-minute game when you'd get five hits.
02:02But you just were laying it out.
02:03So they had five hits.
02:05And one of them was a hit-ish.
02:08Might have been an error.
02:09And you had the Ramos double, which resulted in an out, unfortunately.
02:14You had the Koss homer.
02:15You had the Koss homer.
02:16Yep.
02:16And I'm told there were two other hits.
02:18Casey Schmidt on the ball.
02:20Yeah, Schmidt line one to left field.
02:21Okay.
02:22But if you're able.
02:23I don't remember the other one.
02:24And this is the problem, Mark.
02:25If you're able to mind check a game and remember all five hits.
02:30And one of them was an oh-by-the-way single.
02:33One of them should have been called an error.
02:35Oh, I remember the last one.
02:36I remember it now.
02:37Jungle Lee.
02:38He just shot right back up the middle.
02:40And it hit off the pitcher and rolled into right field.
02:42Got you.
02:43That's a base knock.
02:44Is that when he got picked off right after?
02:47Jungle Lee?
02:48According to the box score, I might have been doing the bedtime scenario.
02:53But I thought he was listed as.
02:55I believe he got doubled up.
02:56I don't think.
02:57Okay.
02:58Yeah.
02:58I think he got.
02:59I think it was a double play.
03:01If I remember correctly, I mean, I might have gone to get some popcorn or something like that.
03:05It might have been a different game when he got picked off.
03:08Yeah.
03:08I don't remember.
03:09Base running here.
03:10Jungle Lee.
03:10First base by Cal Quantrill.
03:13According to baseball reference.
03:15Lee got a base hit in the fourth inning.
03:18And that was with two outs.
03:19And the next hitter.
03:20Let's see.
03:21Lee to second.
03:22No, no, no.
03:23He went to second.
03:24They tried to pick him off.
03:26And they threw it into right field.
03:27Gotcha.
03:28Jungle Lee went to second.
03:30And then Adamas hit a line drive to the center fielder.
03:32Hitting over.
03:33Hitting over.
03:34Yeah.
03:34And I give Patrick Bailey a little nod, too.
03:36He hit one that I thought was gone.
03:39And it was caught right up against the fence in center fielder.
03:40That was his first at-bat, right?
03:42I think his second.
03:43Boy, he swings and misses a lot.
03:45Sure does.
03:46From both sides of the plate.
03:47Yeah.
03:47It is gone.
03:49I caught.
03:49Exactly.
03:50Yeah.
03:50It was one of those.
03:51It was one of those.
03:52I stood up.
03:53I thought it was gone.
03:55But it wasn't gone.
03:56It was caught.
03:56It's frustrating.
03:58And I was just looking at some of the recent numbers.
04:02Four for 24 with runners in scoring position over the last four games.
04:07And on the year, they have the 26th most at-bats in those situations.
04:12So they don't have a lot of at-bats with runners in scoring position because they don't get a lot of people to second and third base.
04:19Right.
04:19But when they do, and I saw some commentary on this earlier, I think it was Kruk, said that the Giants look like they become different people when there's runners in scoring position.
04:30And this is kind of my favorite thing that we do, you know, especially in sports radio here in 2025.
04:38You know this.
04:38I know this.
04:39If you start saying it's okay when teams lose or players struggle, immediately the social media world goes to, you're making excuses.
04:53Stop making excuses for these people.
04:56Here's one that sometimes I do actually find as excuse-making.
05:02They're pressing.
05:03That's what you hear people say.
05:06They're trying too hard.
05:07So, Willie Adamas, he's new.
05:11He's trying to live up to the contract.
05:13He's pressing.
05:14Yeah, he might be.
05:15When there's runners in scoring position and the Giants are having a hard time scoring runs, oh, they're pressing.
05:22Sure, I mean, it's the major leagues.
05:25I would hope that, A, you're pressing.
05:28This is a big deal.
05:30There's a lot on the line.
05:31And, B, I would hope that you know how to navigate that as a professional athlete.
05:38In other words, the anxiety that comes with the moment.
05:42Like, you and me may go to a golf course and we don't like it if there's more than five people watching our first shot.
05:49There are 30-something thousand people who show up to watch you hit.
05:53Yaz, Willie, Jung-Hoo.
05:56Jung-Hoo, they chant your name when you go to the plate.
05:58I would imagine that that fills you with anxiety, the desire, the over-desire to perform.
06:05You have to work with that.
06:07Like, we can't do this all year while they're trying too hard.
06:10Well, I'm sorry.
06:12Well, different players are in different spots.
06:14Like, Casey Schmidt right now is not trying too hard because the ball that's being thrown toward him is a watermelon.
06:20And he should be, by the way, more than anyone.
06:23He's the one with the job on the line.
06:25But he's hot.
06:25So, and Raphael Devers, and I was mentioning this to Lubman today on Gartic Fries and Baseball Guys,
06:33because we were talking about his swing.
06:35And I said, it's Will Clarkian.
06:37The way he lets the ball come.
06:39He has this long, fluid, I'll hit it wherever I damn well please kind of swing.
06:44He's not a guy who looks like he's pressing.
06:46Even when he struggles, Willie Adamas is, he's kind of locked up.
06:51And I really feel for him, I think it was the ninth inning, full count pitch.
06:55And that was...
06:56That was the moment.
06:57That was a strike.
06:58And if you look at the box, and I know that you want the box gone.
07:01I'm watching the game, and I'm looking at the box, and all I could think of was perfect pitch.
07:06I knew it.
07:06By the way...
07:07Perfect pitch.
07:07And I'm sitting down the third base line, so...
07:11No, so I don't know.
07:13I can't.
07:14All you can see is his backside.
07:16But you know what I could tell?
07:18His body language.
07:20And you can tell.
07:21This is the skill you gain as a parent.
07:23You can tell when someone is BSing you.
07:26You can tell.
07:28And so, I can tell now, when a player doesn't like the call,
07:34and they actually think it was a bad call,
07:37or if they're playing it off,
07:39because they want it to look like they think it was a bad call,
07:43even though they know they got got.
07:46And I can tell right away.
07:47Yeah.
07:48I'm like...
07:48Because the kids ask, they're like,
07:50yeah, was that a bad call?
07:51And I'm like, first of all, we're sitting in left field.
07:54I don't know.
07:55I don't know.
07:56But I'm looking at his body language,
07:58and he looks like he got got.
08:00So, I'm glad that you were watching,
08:02and you can tell me that the ball was in the box.
08:04Because I had a feeling it was in the box.
08:05And his reaction was kind of like,
08:06no sticking way.
08:08Right.
08:08As he's doing that, he's walking to the dugout.
08:10Which is what I'm...
08:11Exactly.
08:12That's the tell.
08:12And I'm glad you saw that,
08:13because the frustration on his face was
08:16not only the fact that he got struck out,
08:19but the reality that it was a perfect pitch.
08:21And, like, of all the times for him to just,
08:24give me a cookie.
08:25Let me get out of this thing.
08:27Give me something to hit.
08:28And that's a pitch that, you know,
08:30if he didn't take it,
08:31it's a sawed-off eight hopper back to the mound,
08:33because it was a perfect pitch.
08:34So, you take it, it's strike three,
08:37and for Willie, it's just another step
08:38toward being below 200 again.
08:41So, I think he is pressing,
08:43but...
08:43Probably.
08:44And I get what you're saying about the idea of pressing.
08:46Yeah, you gotta deal with that.
08:47Yep.
08:47You have to deal with that.
08:49Like, you are in a performance-based industry.
08:53Like, I don't know, man.
08:55Again, I'm not saying it doesn't exist,
08:57but I think on some level I chuckle
09:00when we go, oh, they're trying too hard.
09:02I hope they're trying too hard.
09:04They are being paid millions of dollars.
09:07The whole city's coming to watch them play.
09:09For some reason that I'll never really understand,
09:12we care like crazy.
09:14Like, crazy people, we care.
09:19About a grown man with a piece of wood
09:21and a projectile?
09:22God, we care.
09:23We cry.
09:24We come for the confetti like we...
09:27A million strong.
09:28Like, we lose our minds over this.
09:30I hope you're trying too hard.
09:33The opposite's way worse.
09:36It's way worse to accuse someone of like,
09:38man, you don't look like you care out there very much.
09:41I get what you're saying, and you're right,
09:43but the frustrating part of this is
09:45there's really not much else you can do.
09:47If you're Moses Moody, and you miss,
09:49I don't know, 11 straight threes
09:50or whatever it was over the course of some games,
09:53you could still go out there and lock somebody down,
09:55grab a rebound, take a charge.
09:57You can do other things that help your team.
10:00If you're Willie Adamas, yeah,
10:02you can play a clean shortstop,
10:03but you're brought here to inflict some damage with the bat,
10:07and when you're not, every at-bat that goes by
10:10where you don't produce, the pressure becomes bigger.
10:13There's no doubt.
10:14I will also harken back, though,
10:16to something that Bowden told Steini and Guru
10:20when he came on after the Devers deal,
10:23and this really stuck with me,
10:25and he said, first of all, data shows
10:28that when a big contract is signed
10:31and someone switches teams,
10:33it is not abnormal for year two
10:37to be the time that it really starts to come into play.
10:41And then the other thing I want to remind people,
10:43because I really thought he was good on this topic as well,
10:46whether Adamas is hitting right in front of Devers or not,
10:50Devers will help Adamas in this respect.
10:54Willie Adamas is not capable of being,
10:58in my opinion, the best hitter on the team.
11:01It's not who he is.
11:02He is a .250 career hitter.
11:05He might get to 30 home runs.
11:07In this ballpark, probably not.
11:09I would argue over the next seven years of this deal
11:12that he signed,
11:13what you're looking for from Adamas
11:14is a .250 average.
11:17You're going to get maybe 25 home runs in a good year,
11:2020 in a bad,
11:21and be that clubhouse guy.
11:24Yes, you're going to produce some runs,
11:25but my goodness, you're going to strike out once a game.
11:27It's what he's done his entire career.
11:30So the Devers' presence is not so much about,
11:33is Adamas hitting right in front of him?
11:35The Devers' thing is,
11:37hey, Willie, you don't need to be the dude.
11:40Because you're not the dude.
11:42He's not.
11:43And the contract made us all want him to be the dude,
11:46and I think that that's why he was pressing.
11:49Because Willie wants to be the dude.
11:50Not the dude.
11:51Rafi's the dude.
11:53Right.
11:53And your lineup has like four or five other guys
11:55who can be the Robin.
11:57Yes, the B.
11:58If they are, if it's Jappie healthy,
12:00and if Jung-Hoo Lee snaps out of this deep, deep June funk
12:04where he's hitting 169 in June,
12:07you know, if you get more contributions,
12:09then yeah,
12:10Adamas can be the fourth or fifth best hitter
12:12at a time in a game,
12:14and you can be a good offense.
12:15Well, I mean, don't forget Ramos.
12:17Like, if you want to play this out
12:19over the next handful of years,
12:21your two best hitters are Devers and Ramos.
12:24Those are your guys.
12:26Those are your run producers.
12:27Those are your guys who can really
12:29be middle-of-the-order people
12:31in their 20s.
12:33Still, you know, Devers is in his prime.
12:35Ramos hasn't even gotten there yet.
12:37But when they walk to the plate,
12:38there is a much different presence
12:40and a much different intimidation factor
12:43and a much different way of playing defense
12:46and pitching around them
12:47and pitching them carefully
12:48and all of those things
12:49than when Willie Adamas is up there.
12:51Adamas is much more like a Chapman.
12:54I like that comp.
12:56Like, these are professionals.
12:58They will pop 25 home runs,
13:01but they will strike out a lot,
13:02and they will not threaten hitting 300.
13:05They will not do that.
13:06They are not 900 OPS guys.
13:09But Devers and Ramos can be that.
13:12So I'm still,
13:13especially when Chapman comes back,
13:14that's why when people,
13:16and I love it,
13:17I'm having fun with it on Twitter every night,
13:19I'm like, this lineup's different,
13:20and every time they score two runs,
13:23there's the eight people who are like,
13:24is it still different?
13:26You think the lineup,
13:27I mean, yes, it is.
13:29It is different.
13:30It doesn't mean that they're not going to have nights
13:33where they only score zero
13:34or one or two runs or whatever.
13:36But once Chapman gets back,
13:39especially,
13:39and if Schmidt can continue to be consistent
13:42and all of those things,
13:44you mentioned Jung-Hoo Lee,
13:46I really think the lineup,
13:47it's more about the potential it has
13:49for everybody to settle into their roles.
13:52We said this before.
13:54I'll say it again.
13:55The Devers thing, to me,
13:56feels a lot like Jimmy Butler to the Warriors
13:59because it's going to allow lesser players
14:02to fit into their spot
14:04and shine a lot more
14:05because everybody's not being asked
14:07to be a larger player than they are.
14:08Willie Adamas was being asked
14:10to be a larger player than what he is,
14:12and now he can be Willie Adamas.
14:14Yeah, which is your two-hitter
14:16when he's going well,
14:17your six-hitter when he's not,
14:19and it's the same thing with everyone else.
14:20Casey Schmidt,
14:22go be our second baseman
14:23with some pop and hit seventh,
14:25and then everyone else around him,
14:27Jung-Hoo Lee, if you're going great,
14:29you lead off.
14:30Right now it's Yaz
14:30because he's hitting better,
14:31and so there are some interchangeable parts,
14:34I think,
14:34that you can vary your lineup as necessary,
14:36but when you get Chapman back,
14:39you've got your three, four, five, six
14:41with Ramos and Adamas,
14:43and you've got Devers,
14:44and they're all right in there in Chapman,
14:46and you've got four guys you can pencil in,
14:48and when they're all going well,
14:50now you become a dangerous offense.
14:51Yeah, they'll get it going,
14:53and no, I don't think that they will ever be,
14:56like even right now,
14:57I don't think that this is ever going to be a lineup
14:59as currently constructed
15:01that gets confused
15:03with the Los Angeles Dodgers.
15:07It's like we're not going to get it confused,
15:10but I think it's going to be plenty.
15:11I think it's going to be plenty
15:13for what they're trying to do,
15:15for the pitching staff they have,
15:16for the ballpark in which they play,
15:18all of these things.
15:19I think it's going to be plenty.
15:21They've got to still get the whole thing figured out.
15:25I think Melvin made some fair points,
15:28which A, Chapman is still not back.
15:31B, like Rafi Devers,
15:34this has not been talked about enough,
15:36and probably is not being talked about enough
15:39because he doesn't look that bad.
15:40He's getting some hits.
15:42This is an unbelievable
15:44life flip upside down experience
15:48for Rafi Devers,
15:50and when life hits you like that,
15:53I don't know about you,
15:54I always find work is tough.
15:57Work is hard when life is on your mind,
16:01and I cannot imagine
16:02that somebody who's never known
16:04anything but Boston Red Sox baseball
16:07and then becomes literally
16:09the talk of the sports world
16:12for an entire week
16:13and then flips coasts,
16:16goes out from a hitter's park
16:17to a not hitter's park,
16:19new league, new pitchers,
16:21all of the things that you go through there,
16:23this is a lot.
16:24This is a lot for him to handle,
16:26so I just see the Giants right now
16:28as like fine,
16:30but they're kind of in a spot
16:31with a lot of potential
16:34to be a lot better
16:35in say like two, three weeks.
16:37Or even six to eight weeks
16:39because what you're saying
16:40is exactly what I was thinking,
16:42and I was trying to figure out
16:42how to work that into a question
16:44for Bomell,
16:45but we had somewhat limited time,
16:46so I didn't want to get
16:47too much down the comedy road,
16:49but how is he balancing
16:50getting his groin right
16:52with getting comfortable
16:54in the park,
16:55with learning how to play first base,
16:57with contacting PG&E
16:59to get the power on
17:00and figuring out
17:00where his moving boxes are
17:02and where do I park my car
17:03and where's the nearest grocery store
17:05and all the little things
17:06you're talking about.
17:08I moved in with my wife
17:10three years ago,
17:11and there's things we're still doing.
17:12Oh gosh, yeah.
17:13Three years later.
17:14You just moved, what,
17:15four months ago?
17:16Oh no, it was a year and a half ago.
17:18When you moved?
17:19Yes.
17:19To your new spot?
17:21Yes.
17:21Oh my God.
17:22New Year's Day 2024.
17:25Man time is flying, yeah.
17:26It's been a year and a half
17:27and I still have one box of pictures
17:28that's sitting in the exact same spot
17:31where I'm going to do that
17:32one of these days.
17:32Yep.
17:33Maybe this weekend.
17:34Yeah, exactly.
17:34I'm probably this weekend for sure.
17:36Yeah, we've done that now
17:38for 18 months.
17:38And additionally,
17:39he's trying to do all this
17:40while also playing games
17:42in other cities.
17:43Right.
17:43And he probably doesn't even
17:45have a place to live yet.
17:46No, I mean the Giants,
17:46he's probably in a hotel
17:48or whatever.
17:49Exactly, but if you're here
17:50for eight years,
17:51at some point you're going to
17:52have to like think about
17:53Totally.
17:54And I don't know if he's married
17:55with kids or any of that
17:56and so maybe that makes it
17:57a little bit more simple,
17:59quote unquote,
18:00but even talking to Robbie Ray
18:02when we had him on the show
18:03and Robbie's got the four kids
18:05and the wife
18:05and it's like you're moving around
18:07and all the rest of it,
18:08it's got to be incredibly tougher
18:10than what we allow them.
18:12You know, we don't give enough grace
18:13to your point in these ways,
18:15you know?
18:16No doubt, no doubt.
18:17In fact, in speaking about
18:18Rafi Devers,
18:19if you missed Bo Mel on
18:21with us earlier,
18:22this is one thing
18:23that he was talking about.
18:24This is less about all that
18:25off the field stuff,
18:26but don't forget
18:28with everything you just said,
18:30oh, by the way,
18:30Rafi, you need to come
18:31learn a new position.
18:33And it's the position
18:34that by the way,
18:35everyone's been ripping you
18:36for the last four months
18:37that you won't go play.
18:38And now you're going
18:39to go play it.
18:40So how soon are we going
18:41to see Rafi over
18:42at first base?
18:43He's got to be comfortable
18:44doing it.
18:45He's never done it before.
18:46Unfortunately,
18:47we don't have a spring training
18:48to prepare for that.
18:50So we have to kind of
18:51run him through
18:52some things that we feel
18:53like will make him comfortable.
18:55It's never, you know,
18:56the first couple games
18:56going to be completely comfortable,
18:58but he can feel
18:58the ball really well.
18:59He's got soft hands.
19:01Obviously,
19:01he can throw the ball
19:02across the diamond.
19:03You know,
19:03it's just a different spin
19:04and lefty's a little different
19:07than righty's over at third.
19:08But we want to make sure
19:09that he's 100%
19:10with the groin.
19:11I think we're getting
19:12pretty close
19:12as far as that goes.
19:14It's certainly not going
19:15to be today or tomorrow,
19:16but maybe at some point
19:18in time on this next road trip.
19:19Okay.
19:19So on this next road trip,
19:21which starts on Friday.
19:22Okay.
19:23Yeah.
19:24So maybe a soft landing
19:26is about to do it
19:26in Chicago this weekend.
19:28Could be.
19:28Yeah.
19:28I mean,
19:29not the good Chicago.
19:30It's the bad Chicago.
19:30It's the bad Chicago
19:31and might be the time.
19:32And just that's why
19:34I was asking him
19:34about all the different things
19:35like that he has to learn
19:37about first base,
19:38holding runners,
19:39and making a different throw
19:41across the diamond
19:42and all the other
19:43little nuanced things
19:44that he's never really
19:45had to do,
19:45not having played
19:46first base before.
19:47The road trip,
19:48by the way,
19:48also takes them
19:49to Arizona
19:50and then Sacramento.
19:52Yep.
19:53Sacramento
19:53for the July 4th holiday.
19:56It's going to be hot.
19:58It's going to be hot.
19:58It's going to be really hot.
19:59Paul's going to be
20:00jumping out of that park.
20:01So you look at
20:02the next 11 games,
20:03two more against Miami
20:05and then a nine-game road trip.
20:07You need to start
20:07banking some W's
20:08because then it's Philly
20:09and the Dodgers
20:10on the backside.
20:11That's correct.
20:12It's a 10-game road trip.
20:14It's going to be
20:14four in Arizona.
20:15Appreciate that.
20:16So you're looking at
20:1710 and then six.
20:18So you've got 16 games
20:19left to go.
20:21Sure would be nice
20:21to pile up a nice
20:2310 and six
20:23or something even
20:24a little bit better than that.
20:25I don't think you feel good
20:26if you lose two out of three
20:28to Miami.
20:29So I sort of look at
20:30tonight and tomorrow afternoon,
20:31especially with Logan Webb
20:33on the hill tonight,
20:34we're not going to do
20:37must-win baseball games.
20:39But I'm not feeling good
20:41if you don't win
20:42these next two games.
20:43If you had a three
20:44for Miami,
20:44that also is a winning
20:46homestand.
20:47You have a losing record
20:48for the homestand
20:49if you don't win
20:49both of these next two games.
20:51And I feel let down
20:52by you, Mark.
20:53Oh, it was completely
20:54my fault.
20:55I'll wear that.
20:56I told you,
20:57I promised you
20:57I'd go get your win.
20:58I didn't do it.
20:59Yeah.
20:59I hate it when I don't
21:00do what I say I'm going to do.
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