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00:00Let's get mad at Bob Melvin for a few hours.
00:01Let's do it.
00:02And, you know, we can also get mad at Pat Burrell.
00:05And if we're going to get mad at Pat Burrell,
00:07if you want to call in and fire Pat Burrell, the hitting coach,
00:11my only requirement is name one other hitting coach in MLB.
00:17Because I have the list in front of me right now,
00:19and I'm just going to do this.
00:22I know none.
00:23I will get none.
00:25I'm going to name a person.
00:27Okay, and then I guess the team?
00:29Yeah.
00:29You'll be like, oh, my God, I've heard of him.
00:31Yeah, name the person.
00:32Pedro Guerrero.
00:34Oh.
00:34Are you familiar with Pedro Guerrero?
00:36Very familiar.
00:37Right.
00:37I mean, mostly as a Dodger.
00:40Is he the Dodgers hitting coach?
00:41Nah.
00:42Yeah.
00:42The Dodgers hitting coach is a guy named Robert Van Scoyak.
00:46Oh, that's not a real person.
00:47You have to be an author if your name is that.
00:50If you have a van in there.
00:51Yeah, like that's an author.
00:52Pedro Guerrero, Miami Marlins.
00:54Oh.
00:55Oh.
00:56Xavi.
00:57Eric Chavez.
00:58That's a former athletic third baseman.
01:00Yeah.
01:01Great player.
01:01He's a hitting coach for?
01:03Guardians.
01:04The New York Mets.
01:05Okay.
01:06This is fun.
01:07Brett Boone.
01:08Did you know that he is now a hitting coach?
01:11I did not.
01:12Mariners.
01:13I'm going to give you one clue and see if you can get it.
01:16It's not the Mariners.
01:17Oh, is it the Texas Rangers?
01:20Correct.
01:20Okay.
01:21You're doing great.
01:22Oh, thank you.
01:22Kevin Seitzer.
01:24Oh, my God.
01:25The former Royal?
01:26Yeah.
01:26All right.
01:26Kansas City.
01:27Mariners.
01:28Okay, perfect.
01:29Alex Cintron.
01:30Oh, Cintron.
01:31He would definitely be the hitting coach of the Pittsburgh Pirates.
01:36The Astros.
01:37Exactly.
01:37You're doing as well as I thought that you would.
01:39The last one.
01:40Give me another one.
01:41And we had the heckling guy on a couple of weeks ago.
01:44Oh, yeah.
01:45Trey Chirps or whatever.
01:47Yeah, that guy.
01:48Trev.
01:48Trev, whatever.
01:50I got three of the four letters right.
01:51My most famous heckle ever was against this person who he had hit seven straight hits that
02:00were home runs.
02:00Whoa, wait, wait, wait.
02:02Wait, you did or Trev did?
02:03I heckled this player.
02:05And as he got to the plate.
02:06Seven straight home runs?
02:07Seven straight of his hits were home runs.
02:10And so he got to, I guess it was Pac Bell Park at the time.
02:14Okay.
02:14And I said, Marcus, Marcus, all you can do is hit home runs.
02:18You can't do anything else, this and that.
02:20And I was in the Diamond Club, so I'm right next to him.
02:24And he gets up there and he hits a home run.
02:26Of course.
02:26And he goes around the bases and he touches home plate and he looks at me and he gives
02:29me like the double like, hey.
02:31Hey.
02:32I heard you.
02:32And I just did that.
02:33His name is Marcus.
02:34Marcus Thames.
02:35Oh, Marcus Thames.
02:36He's a hitting coach for?
02:37For the Detroit Tigers.
02:40The White Sox.
02:41Exactly.
02:41The point is well served.
02:43So if you want to fire Pat Burrell, you don't even know who the other ones are.
02:47And if you want to fire Bob Melvin, we can do the manager game again.
02:50And you and I did it.
02:52And I can only name like five managers.
02:54Yeah, we'll get a few.
02:54So let's just stop.
02:56No, well, listen.
02:57I think that they are two different conversations.
02:59Right.
03:00You're right.
03:00The Bob Melvin and Pat Burrell.
03:01They really are.
03:01So 888-957-9570.
03:03And I give you a punchy take on both.
03:07Let's start with Pat Burrell because it's going to feel like a brick wall.
03:10I'm not trying to tell anybody that you're not allowed to call and rip Pat Burrell.
03:16And if Pat Burrell is the last person you think about before you go to bed at night, that's you.
03:22And you're allowed to do that and all that stuff.
03:24So if you want to call and rip one off about Pat Burrell, 888-957-9570.
03:31But here's my take on Pat Burrell.
03:32You ready?
03:34I couldn't give two rips who the hell the hitting coach is for the Giants forever.
03:40That's my take.
03:41I do not care who the hitting coach is for the San Francisco Giants because largely, as
03:50the exercise we just did with Guru, when the Giants, when Brandon Crawford had 24 homers
03:56and Brandon Belt had 29 and Posey came off of COVID and hit over 300 and the Giants won
04:03107 games, none of you even know who the hitting coach was.
04:08The hitting coach does not matter.
04:10He is a staff member.
04:13He is a staff member of a larger group that is in charge of helping the players be their
04:20best selves.
04:22That's all that person is there to do.
04:25So if any of you think that switching out a hitting coach is going to suddenly make this
04:30team start averaging 6.2 runs per game, I think you're nuts.
04:35So it doesn't matter.
04:37It's insignificant.
04:38It's an extra set of eyes.
04:40It is an assistant coach.
04:42Nobody in the history of ever, outside of offensive and defensive coordinators in the NFL, has
04:48ever worried this much about somebody's assistant coach.
04:52I don't care who the Giants hitting coach is.
04:54So that's my sentence there.
04:57Yeah.
04:57Now, as far as Bob Melvin is concerned, this is the discussion I'd actually love to have.
05:03And I wonder what you think, and I wonder what everybody thinks about this.
05:07I don't think, first and foremost, about wins and losses when I am assessing a head coach
05:16or a manager.
05:17It's not about the end-all, be-all of wins and losses.
05:21That doesn't mean that they're not accountable for that.
05:23But I tend to think that the wins and losses are actually sort of symptomatic of what a manager
05:30either does well or does not do well.
05:32And you can't tell those kinds of things in a small sample.
05:36The same way you can't figure that out in a 12-4 start, you can't figure it out in a 1-7 stretch either.
05:43It's super annoying.
05:45We're all frustrated.
05:46I'm frustrated.
05:47But to me, a manager is about setting a culture, setting the accountability, setting the table
05:55for players to go out and succeed.
05:58But if they don't do that, if they don't do that, that does not automatically mean the manager
06:04is doing a poor job.
06:05Now, should he have gone out to talk to Hayden after the eighth straight ball?
06:10Yeah, somebody should have.
06:12Absolutely.
06:13Would I have gone to this pitcher or that pitcher or would I have bunted in this scenario or
06:19that scenario?
06:20No.
06:21No, not always.
06:22So on a night-to-night basis, we can have that conversation.
06:26For me, there have not been enough of them to start questioning Bob Melvin as the manager
06:30of the Giants.
06:31I do not see what we're looking at right now as a managerial or staff thing.
06:39We're just nowhere near that yet, in my opinion.
06:41I agree with you, and I think what we're looking at is baseball players not playing
06:46baseball at a level that they need to play baseball.
06:49And you could look at, you know, last night, you can go back through all of the bad run
06:54that they've been on, and you could look at a lot of individual things.
06:57And, you know, Matt Williams, third base coach, he's made mistakes.
07:00Bob Melvin has made mistakes.
07:03Whether or not you think he should have gone out and talked to somebody, or he took out
07:07Logan Webb too late, or all the things you want to look at, and you can cite mistakes.
07:12For me, the biggest mistakes that have been made have been baseball players making bad
07:18baseball plays.
07:19And your hitters are not hitting, and your pitchers have kind of regressed to a normal mean.
07:26And they were incredible.
07:28When you only scored two runs a game for 16 games, and you ended up winning almost half
07:32of those, the pitching staff was extraordinary.
07:36And they're the reason why you sustained it.
07:38And then you get into this stretch where you're not scoring again, and the pitching staff is
07:43kind of normalized to a level that would be expected, and now you're not winning.
07:48So, for me, it's been the same thing for the better part of a month, and it's been your
07:54offense.
07:54And you brought in Rafi Devers, and he's had moments, and Willie Adamas has had a down to
08:01maybe a flat bad year.
08:03Jung-Hoo Lee, he just can't hit.
08:06And Schmidt was hot, he got hurt.
08:08Chappie was hot, he got hurt.
08:10Koss was hot, he got hurt.
08:12So, bad luck, combined with bad at-bats, and a pitching staff that has kind of found its
08:18level, that's what's leading to this.
08:20It's not Bob Melvin.
08:21No, I agree with you completely.
08:23Like, the one thing I would look at, for instance, everybody talks about these silly
08:27mistakes, and, you know, let's go to Brett Wisely in Chicago getting picked off third
08:31base.
08:31This is the one this week that's got my ire the most.
08:35That, to me, you can never blame something like that on anyone but the player.
08:40I mean, I guess you could, you know, should Matt Williams have yelled back earlier or something
08:46like that?
08:47It's so funny you say that.
08:47You know what I mean?
08:48Like, he could do that.
08:49Did he not yell back loud enough?
08:50I have no idea.
08:52And that's why I always think it's funny when we start firing on assistant coaches, because
08:56most of us don't even know what the hell they do.
08:58Matt Williams, literally the only thing we can learn is he sends people too much right
09:04now.
09:04He's sending dudes when he shouldn't send dudes.
09:07Or he didn't send a guy like you talked about on a sack fly where he should have sent
09:10them.
09:10Right, right.
09:11Which, you know, again, that stuff, there's so many things that go into that.
09:15Who's the on-deck hitter?
09:16Or how are you playing?
09:17Is Rafi Devers groin feeling good?
09:20Is it not?
09:20He was out by an inch last night.
09:22So there's criticism there 100%.
09:24But when big league players do little league things, I can't blame a coach.
09:29Now, the Giants have been largely poor on the base paths all year.
09:37So now that's where I can go, oh, we've got a larger sample here.
09:42And I think that we're on the doorstep of comparing the Giants' base running to the 49ers'
09:49kicking game.
09:50Ooh.
09:51This is what I mean.
09:52Who's the base running coach?
09:54I don't know.
09:54Do they have one?
09:55Probably.
09:56And he might be called a coordinator.
09:58I don't even know if he's a coach.
10:00He's a base running coordinator.
10:02Or something.
10:03I don't even know.
10:05You know, Alyssa Nacken used to work on that quite a bit.
10:08But I don't even know who's doing that right now.
10:10But I do think that you can look at coaches sometimes when you see one aspect of the game
10:15over a long period not get enough attention.
10:18Wouldn't you argue that Kyle Shanahan, and we've said this, has not paid enough attention
10:24to special teams through the years?
10:27Yeah.
10:27That's fair, right?
10:28Yeah.
10:28Doesn't make him a bad coach.
10:30But that's one area where I'm like, yeah, can we, like, shine a light on the special teams
10:35because they kind of suck and they do again.
10:38Can we please shine a light on that?
10:40I'm on the doorstep of doing that with the Giants base running.
10:44Base running.
10:45This is, you're making silly mistakes.
10:49But as far as the basics of the game, like, my name's Rafi Devers and I'm swinging through
10:55fastballs.
10:56I don't know how the hell am I going to look at a coach for that.
11:00That's Rafi Devers.
11:02He's a 28-year-old superstar who's been called a hitting savant.
11:07I'm going to talk about Bob Melvin because that guy's got Swiss cheese bat all of a sudden.
11:11Or Pat Burrell.
11:12Yeah, same thing.
11:14I mean, Rafi Devers is twice the hitter that Pat Burrell ever was.
11:18And Pat Burrell was like, was he the number one pick in the draft?
11:21Yep, that sounds right.
11:22Yeah.
11:22Pat was a big-time prospect who largely did not live up to his billing.
11:29But he's good enough to give everybody an extra set of eyes.
11:33But, like, let's be real, y'all.
11:35Anybody think that firing Pat Burrell means the Giants can suddenly hit?
11:40I mean, they're going to do anything.
11:41If they fire Pat Burrell, Rafi Devers will now hit fastballs.
11:45That's what I think.
11:46No, you don't.
11:47No, you don't.
11:48You're right.
11:49But that is, I mean, kind of the comedy of this exercise.
11:53And it's interesting what you said about base running because I do think that base running
11:56is maybe the special teams of baseball.
11:59That and, you know, fielding and defense where if you're a good fielding team and a good base
12:05running team, you can make up for deficiencies elsewhere.
12:09And right now their special teams are bad.
12:12Their defense is okay.
12:14Yeah.
12:14And their base running has been poor.
12:16So, if that is what you're dealing with and you're a team that relies on the 3-2 win,
12:21well, now you've got real problems because all those little 90-feet advancements that you want,
12:27they're not happening.
12:28And so, that's where even the Niners last year, like, you probably wouldn't have made the playoffs
12:32if your special teams were good.
12:34But you might have won a game or two more games.
12:38You might have been a little bit better if you had a decent punter and a decent kicker
12:42and some coverage teams.
12:43Well, you mentioned those 90-feet.
12:45Like, that's where I see the Giants are in a rut.
12:48I get the prime example for me of over the last two weeks.
12:52And this is the kind of thing where I go, look, sometimes as a baseball fan,
12:57you just got to take a deep breath and wear stuff like this.
13:00Because this, I'm not going to say it's no one's fault.
13:03It was Patrick Bailey's fault.
13:05It's his fault.
13:06But this is the way the Giants are going right now.
13:08This is just life.
13:09You've all had days like this.
13:11You've all had weeks like this.
13:13You get home from work, and everybody looks at you, and they see that look on your face,
13:17like, oh, hell, what the hell happened today?
13:19I'm just not having a good day.
13:21Everything that kind of could turn the wrong way has turned the wrong way.
13:26So, last night, the Giants have already fallen down 4-2.
13:30It's the fifth inning.
13:31But, and I think that this was Carson Seymour's first inning.
13:36He goes out number one, out number two, and then he's got Suarez at the plate,
13:40their cleanup hitter, and he made him look foolish.
13:44He threw a breaking ball that Suarez swung at and missed by three feet.
13:48Guess who else missed it?
13:49Patrick Bailey.
13:51And the ball flew off of his foot and rolled all the way to the wall,
13:54and Suarez gets first base.
13:56You could set your watch to the fact that the next guy was going to hit the ball into the seats.
14:01That's how it's going.
14:03And it wasn't a bad pitch.
14:04It wasn't.
14:06He golfed the ball that was at his ankles, and he golfed it into the left field seats.
14:12And you could see Seymour right away.
14:14He throws the pitch, and it's about a foot off the ground.
14:16And off the bat, Seymour's like, you've got to be Casey Schmitt and me.
14:20You've got to be Schmitt and me.
14:21Because he knew that that thing was, like, crushed.
14:24And it's his second big league outing.
14:25He's a pup.
14:27Like, all of this.
14:28So, that's on Patrick Bailey, but that's just how it's going for the Giants right now.
14:33It's no different than Birdsong, Plunking, Bob, whatever his name was,
14:38with the Marlins last week.
14:39Or T's.
14:40Whatever.
14:41You throw at someone, and two batters later, it's a three-run homer.
14:44The Giants are in a rut where you can't give anybody 90 feet.
14:48If you do, they'll score.
14:49Period.
14:50Ryan Walker will fall over, or something will happen, and that guy is going to score.
14:56And that's not sustainable.
14:58Life's not going to go that way, but that's how it's going for them right now.
15:01Right, and on the other side, you're giving up that same 90 feet
15:05when you've got wisely getting picked off third in a game where you're down 1-0.
15:09And it's a game where you absolutely need to scrap for every run.
15:14You fight for that inch, if I can borrow from Al Pacino on any given Sunday,
15:18and you gave up that 90 feet.
15:20You've got a guy to third base, actually, and he gets picked off.
15:24And right now, the way the offense is going, those are precious moments.
15:28And so, you're right.
15:29It's kind of both ends of it where you're giving up the 90 on defense,
15:33and then you're giving away the 90 on offense,
15:36and you're losing these games that you probably shouldn't.
15:39Yeah, and I don't think that that's going to last for the rest of the season.
15:45The baseball doesn't work that way.
15:48I don't know how many more days I've got left in me to do the whole,
15:52it's baseball, the tide will turn, like it's going to turn around.
15:56Like, I get it, man.
15:57I get it.
15:58I'm just as annoyed as all of you while these games are on in the background.
16:04It's brutal.
16:05It's brutal.
16:06The Giants go up 2-0 last night, Adamus Homers, here comes Devers.
16:11He's safe, and the Giants are up 3-0.
16:14And then the next thing you know, I turn around,
16:16and Corbin Carroll's running off the field, and you're like, oh, gosh.
16:19Yep, nope, he's out, and he's limping,
16:21and it's almost like you could feel in that moment.
16:24It's 2-0 Giants, but I'm like, bad juju just got dumped all over this game,
16:30and I feel like something bad is about to happen.
16:32And they got outscored 8-0 the rest of the way.
16:34I'm going to say that part again.
16:36He's out, and he's limping.
16:38That, to me, has been like the month of June, and now we're into July,
16:42and like, Casey Schmidt, he's hot.
16:45He gets hurt.
16:46Koss, it's a home run.
16:47No, it's a double, and he's hurt.
16:49Chappie, all right, Chappie.
16:51Welcome to the year.
16:52Oh, you're diving into a base, and you break your hand,
16:57or you jam your hand, or whatever you did to your hand.
17:01It's like, Chappie, hot, hurt.
17:04Schmidt, hot, hurt.
17:05Koss, I'm just starting to get to know you, hot, hurt.
17:09Devers, you're a giant.
17:11Oh, and now you're, not that he's hurt, but like.
17:14He's ailing.
17:15I mean.
17:15You know what I mean?
17:16He's hurting.
17:17He's not hurt, but he's hurting.
17:19Why can't we have the cold guys get hurt?
17:21The hot guys are all getting hurt.
17:23You know what I mean?
17:23That's a good idea.
17:24That's a good idea.
17:26So you're saying Jong-Hoo Lee.
17:28No, I'm not going to say that out loud.
17:29I'm not going to say it either.
17:30I was thinking about Lamont Wade Jr.
17:32Like, okay, you got DFA'd.
17:34Like, I mean, could you have gotten, like,
17:37a little dinged up a couple of weeks earlier?
17:39Because that's part of the frustration, Mark,
17:42is that the guys who are really starting to roll,
17:45they're the ones who are getting hurt.
17:46Well, and they're always the third baseman.
17:47That's the other thing.
17:48Pretty much, right?
17:48They're always the third.
17:49Yeah, what do you got, Granny?
17:50Can I play devil's advocate with you guys for a sec?
17:52So you guys were talking earlier about Pat Burrell
17:54and all the calls from fans to fire the hitting coach
17:57just to change something up.
17:59Dibs also brought up some of the other hitting coaches
18:01from around baseball.
18:02One of them, Brett Boone, the hitting coach for the Rangers,
18:06led by Bruce Bochy.
18:07He was a replacement because they fired their hitting coach
18:10at the end of May.
18:11That was Giants' former hitting coach, Donnie Ecker,
18:15you remember from back in the Gabe Kapler days.
18:18Donnie Ecker out at the end of May,
18:20and then in June, the Rangers put together
18:22their best offensive month of the season.
18:24They scored 25 more runs.
18:27Actually, I think more than that.
18:29No, actually 25 more runs despite playing two fewer games
18:32in the month of June.
18:32That's just one example.
18:34Yeah.
18:35But I mean, do you credit Brett Boone for that?
18:37I'm not plugged in enough.
18:38I'm just telling you that that's an example of a team
18:40firing their hitting coach and putting together
18:42their best offensive month of the year.
18:43Listen, if the Giants announced an hour from now
18:46that Pat Burrell was fired, I would shrug my shoulders
18:49and ask, what are we having for dinner?
18:51That's my point.
18:53I'm not even here to tell you all of you are wrong.
18:55I just don't care who the hitting coach is for the Giants.
19:01Like, one thing I think we forget when we're talking about
19:04like professional sports sometimes,
19:07that these are grown A men with kids and families
19:11and all this stuff, like, yes, you need an extra set of eyes,
19:15but everybody's got an extra set of eyes.
19:17I have no, I guess here's my other point.
19:19I have no idea if Pat Burrell is good at this or not.
19:22I have no idea.
19:24I don't know how the hell anybody has an idea.
19:26So my point is, is if you're yelling about Pat Burrell being fired,
19:30I think you're just mad.
19:33And I get it.
19:34We're all frustrated.
19:36But what in the hell do you actually have to say?
19:39Like, if you wanted to fire Bob Melvin, if somebody called in right now,
19:42they're like, fire Melvin.
19:44We go, why?
19:45They'd have an answer.
19:46I didn't like when he brought in Joey Lucchese.
19:51He should have brought, like, you have an answer.
19:54If I ask you why are you firing Pat Burrell, you have no idea.
19:59You're just mad at the hitting.
20:02And we've been mad at the hitting, quite frankly,
20:05for damn near 15 years on this team.
20:08You play in the greatest pitcher's park in America,
20:12and you've had a really hard time getting really great hitters to come here.
20:18The first time San Francisco ever won a World Series,
20:22the damn thing was nicknamed torture.
20:25And it was all because they couldn't hit.
20:28And, in fact, they scored the exact same amount of runs as this team does
20:31when they won it all.
20:33So, go ahead.
20:35Fire Pat Burrell.
20:37I don't think.
20:38Like, my answer to you, Grandy, my guess, I'm also not locked in on the Rangers,
20:44coincidence.
20:46Coincidence.
20:46Maybe.
20:47It could be cause and effect.
20:49I mean, it could be.
20:49The difference between this team and the team you're referencing,
20:52the World Series team that also averaged 4.1 runs a game,
20:55is you've got Rafi Devers, who is a top 10 hitter in the entire league,
21:00and you've got Willie Adamas, who's making nine figures,
21:03and he's also really good.
21:05And those teams didn't have great hitters.
21:08You had Buster Posey.
21:09Sure.
21:10Great hitter.
21:11But, I mean, Devers, offensively, is a better hitter than Buster ever was.
21:15And yet, you've got this team, and offensively,
21:19you're not doing the things that you were hoping that they would do
21:22when you added these pieces.
21:23It's funny.
21:24I mean, if you really think about Giants baseball as a whole,
21:27especially since they've moved to this ballpark,
21:30do you know what happens when they're good offensively?
21:35They're not good in the standings.
21:37The greatest hitter.
21:38Well, except for 2021.
21:412021.
21:41When they were, you know, second in the league in home runs.
21:43Which any Giants fan will all, like, seemingly everybody agrees,
21:47that was just a wackadoodle year.
21:49I don't know what the hell got in the water that year.
21:52They almost led the league in homers in this ballpark.
21:55Yep.
21:56What the hell was that all about?
21:57I got no idea.
21:59But when they had this great power hitter, they, I mean, I know,
22:03I remember 2002.
22:05You were there.
22:05Right?
22:06But, like, they got better when they got worse.
22:10I'd hit it, essentially.
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