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00:00Patrick Bailey joins Matt Chapman on the injured list.
00:05Man.
00:06Giants just made that move public about 15 minutes ago.
00:10Patrick Bailey goes on the injured list with a next drain.
00:14The bad news for Sam Huff, who cleared waivers and was sent down to the minors for the Giants,
00:20is that he is not the person that they just called right back up.
00:24And you are not the catcher.
00:27Very good.
00:28A little more opposed for you.
00:29Yeah, his name is Logan Porter, the catcher who's been called up from AAA,
00:34who for now will be replacing Patrick Bailey on the active roster.
00:40So it's possible that we get Logan to Logan coming up.
00:43Ooh, good call.
00:44I think that would be Friday night.
00:47Yeah, Friday night.
00:48Friday night, Logan Webb will be thrown against the Dodgers.
00:50I'm glad you brought that series up.
00:52A couple things.
00:53First of all, Shasky's going to call in here in just about 25 minutes or so.
00:57He sent out a tweet last night about Kyle Harrison that really got me thinking I want to talk it out with him.
01:01Okay.
01:01So he's going to jump in.
01:04John Miller in about an hour right here on Willard and Dibs.
01:09This is part of what I was talking about off the top, though, with regard to, hey, you've got six wins in a row.
01:18They're all by one run.
01:20We got walk-offs all over the place.
01:22Wow, this is so much fun.
01:26I'm worried.
01:27The Matt Chapman injury, the Giants are not equipped for that.
01:32They're just not.
01:33The way that they operate, the glove that he is over there at third base, the middle-of-the-order presence that he is,
01:41they are not equipped to lose him for an extended period of time.
01:45And it sounds like this is going to be at least somewhat extended.
01:48So I really want to see this team get some help for the pitching staff ASAP.
01:54I'm not saying that can be done by this weekend.
01:57But this is not just a series against the Dodgers.
02:01That's not what it is.
02:02I'm actually putting less importance on the final score of these games as opposed to kind of how the whole series feels.
02:11What I see as the problem for the Giants and their fan base over the last three years, I've told you this before, is an inferiority complex.
02:24Like, I cannot stand when the Giants play the Dodgers and there's this feeling of like, ooh, I wonder if we can compete.
02:34I hate it.
02:35I hate it.
02:36I hate it.
02:37I hate it.
02:37It makes us feel small.
02:39It makes the city feel small.
02:41It makes it feel like the Giants are the Marlins.
02:45The Giants are not the Marlins.
02:46They're the freaking Giants.
02:49And what I'm really looking for out of this organization is to start swaggering into some stadiums.
02:54And so that's what I'm looking for this weekend.
02:58Not so much like, oh, you need to send a message and beat them.
03:02But I want the Giants to not feel small when they go to Dodger Stadium this weekend.
03:10And that's why the Chapman injury is so ill-timed.
03:12It's brutal.
03:12And he is their number one player in wins above replacement.
03:16He's having the best year for the Giants.
03:18And now you lose Bailey, who is your second best defensive player.
03:22Actually, by metrics, he's your top defensive player.
03:25So you're a team that has a swagger.
03:28If you're going to swagger in, your swagger is pitching and defense.
03:32The pitching is intact.
03:34Your defense is badly hurt by losing your top two defensive players.
03:38So it's interesting, the whole idea about a swagger,
03:42because the Giants don't have a team that's built to go in there and swagger in
03:47and put up a 9 and a 10 spot.
03:49And we talked about how long it had been since they scored four runs in an inning.
03:52So your swagger is still your pitching staff,
03:56which isn't really like a swagger that the casual fan would be able to look at
04:00and go, yeah, I love that bullpen.
04:03The middle relief is like super great.
04:06One thing Randy and I talked about yesterday was the players you can least afford to lose.
04:11Like I think about the outfield, and you've got pretty good outfield depth.
04:15And even the rotation, if something were to happen to a starter,
04:19you've got right now six starters when Verlander comes back.
04:22You've got bullpen depth.
04:24You've got, you know, some depth, a little bit at DH.
04:28You've got different people you can use.
04:30First base, you've got some people.
04:32It was really third base and catcher.
04:34Your backup catcher, who's now going to be your third string catcher
04:37and your starting catcher, neither of them is good enough defensively,
04:41and neither one of them can really hit either.
04:43And at third base, Casey Schmidt off to a great start as the fill-in,
04:48but you lose Chapman, one of your best offensive players and your best defensive infielder.
04:53So we were just talking about what you can't afford to lose,
04:56and it was really third base and catcher.
04:58And now you're without your third baseman and your catcher.
05:01Now, I know that it's not kind of in to say this right now,
05:05but I'm going to throw shortstop into that mix as well.
05:08I know how people feel right now about Willie Adamas and the struggles and everything,
05:13but if you're talking about an everyday presence or an extended period,
05:18they just don't have it.
05:19They do not.
05:20Like, that was, I thought, behind the scenes,
05:24made very clear by the organization at the start of the year,
05:27they cannot withstand something going wrong on the left side of the infield.
05:31And now you've got one of them struggling in a prolonged way,
05:34and the other one is going to be out in a little bit of a prolonged way.
05:37And so that's why I feel like a little bit muted as far as the excitement
05:44around this particular win streak because, man, I don't know exactly
05:49how they're going to be able to withstand that.
05:51As they go through a period, by the way, we talked about this also,
05:54the rest of the first half of the season,
05:56think about the teams you're going up against
05:58and the ones who are coming here to the Bay Area.
06:02Next homestand, Boston is coming.
06:04Before they go to the All-Star break, Philly is coming.
06:09The Dodgers are coming.
06:10You're going to the Dodgers.
06:11Like, you've got some real series that you want to circle
06:14coming up here in the next month or so.
06:17And their lineup doesn't feel ready for it.
06:22No.
06:22It just doesn't.
06:23And Boston is not the Boston we would normally expect.
06:27They're having a bit of a down year.
06:28But they can hit.
06:29They can hit.
06:29They can hit.
06:30Philadelphia absolutely mashes.
06:31And the Dodgers, that's their only saving grace right now
06:34is that they can really hit.
06:37I was talking with Grandy yesterday,
06:38and the Dodgers have started 13 different pitchers,
06:42and we're barely into June.
06:44So their rotation is in shambles.
06:47Yamamoto's the only guy who's made every turn so far.
06:50And you've had openers, and you've had Blake Snell.
06:54I laugh every time.
06:55He's actually started two games for the Dodgers.
06:58And, you know, Kershaw's only started a handful or whatever.
07:00But the Dodgers can rake.
07:02And so you mentioned the schedule ahead.
07:05And the Dodgers actually are the last series before the break.
07:08First time they come to Oracle Park is the last three games before the break.
07:12And you hope Chapman's back by then, but no guarantee.
07:16It feels like the Bailey thing is just going to be a 10-day, right?
07:20I mean, it's a stiff neck.
07:22You never know.
07:23But that one doesn't feel too, too serious to me.
07:26No, I get it.
07:27I get it.
07:27I get what you're saying.
07:28And obviously Bailey is more of a defensive presence than an offensive one anyway.
07:33So maybe you're trading a little bit of defense for offense.
07:36But that's, again, what I want to see this weekend.
07:39And it's really nothing more than a feeling inside your gut when you're watching this team play.
07:44I do not want them to look overwhelmed.
07:47I do not want to hear all, like, I don't want to hear about moral victories.
07:51I just don't want it anymore.
07:55I don't want the Dodgers to come to Oracle Park next month and have the team selling Dodger gear out in left field.
08:02Like, all of this stuff, to me, comes from the same place.
08:06Yes, of course, whoever plays the Dodgers right now is, quote, the underdog and has less star power and all of that.
08:13Outside of Aaron Judge, I don't know.
08:15The next handful of hitters, they're all Dodgers.
08:18So I understand that you're not going to change that.
08:22But there has to be something that changes within the Giants organization.
08:27And this is why I'd love to go see Buster get really aggressive with regard to acquiring offense.
08:34offense is I just think there's there's a little bit too much of an I can't attitude.
08:40And it's not the players.
08:42That's not what I'm getting at.
08:43But I want Giant Baseball to feel different.
08:47It needs to feel more confident, bigger, able to compete on the highest stage, because if they keep pitching like this, the highest stage is where they're heading.
08:57Right. And I think about 2021. And we did a little bit of a of a dive into that year yesterday when the Giants win 107, the Dodgers win 106.
09:07And that team was a team that had swagger.
09:10It was a very good pitching staff led by Kevin Gaussman.
09:14And they were second in baseball and home runs.
09:16So they actually had both parts of the team that were absolutely elite.
09:22And you took the Dodgers to five or you went five with the Dodgers and came down to just one play that didn't go your way.
09:28But that was a team that had that level of swagger.
09:31And so it's only been a few years since then.
09:34This offense is not that offense.
09:36And just looking at some of the the individuals from that season, Crawford career year, Brandon Belt had 29.
09:45He has had 25 home runs.
09:47I don't understand it.
09:48To be honest with you, Mike, when you when you start thinking about that year, when you say that out loud in this ballpark, that team was second in the league in home runs.
09:58I think they hit 240 home runs as a team.
10:00They had.
10:01You know what?
10:01Hey, Grandy, get your game show music ready.
10:04It's got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten Giants that year hit double digit home runs.
10:13Yeah, ten different Giants.
10:17Dan.
10:18Oh, boy.
10:18It's a Dan day.
10:19It's a Dan day.
10:21Well, that means I'm getting called in the office.
10:22What do you what do you think?
10:24How many of those ten can you name?
10:28I should be able to name all ten because we did this yesterday.
10:31But at this yesterday, we didn't do like all ten of them.
10:35But I literally looked at the baseball reference.
10:37And I was like, you played the game show music.
10:39No, but we we talked about that year and I was struck by the fact that they had all these guys with career years.
10:46But I know it's Belt and Crawford and Yaz, the aforementioned Yaz.
10:54Correct.
10:56Buster must have hit ten.
10:58Eighteen.
10:58Yeah.
11:00Wilmer had to hit ten.
11:02Eighteen.
11:03It's a bunch of guys who hit eighteen, as I recall.
11:05Yep.
11:06And you've got the first half.
11:08There are five more.
11:09Yeah.
11:10Here's where it gets a little dicey because the old memory, the old memory ain't what she used to be, Mark.
11:16And yes, that was before jock.
11:19So we're not going to say that.
11:20Don't buzz me.
11:21I'm just talking out loud because it's a radio show and dead air is bad for business.
11:26Although it wouldn't be dead with this snappy tune playing in the background.
11:31Quit stalling.
11:33Did stalling hit ten?
11:34No, he did not.
11:36No.
11:36Uh, Scudero was probably gone.
11:40I, I'm talking out loud.
11:43Yeah, but you're kind of cheating by, like, throwing out names that you know are probably not a...
11:47Oh, uh, Conforto and Hanager.
11:49Okay.
11:49Michael, let's see.
11:51Do we hear Michael Conforto?
11:54Not on the team.
11:55Uh, do I hear Mitch Hanager?
11:58Well, then I lose.
11:59Not on the team.
12:00Yeah.
12:00Who am I missing, Mark?
12:01You can't think of any of the other five?
12:04One of them was...
12:05Okay.
12:06How about...
12:06Let's see if we can clue you in.
12:08When I say, who am I missing, that indicates that I can't think of them.
12:12None of these five are on the team anymore, but one of them was a week ago.
12:17Oh, okay.
12:18I think Ruff is on the move.
12:20Darren Ruff was not on the team a week ago, but hit 16 home runs that year.
12:25Uh, a guy who was on the team a week ago.
12:27Hello?
12:28Yeah.
12:28Hello?
12:30Oh, Lamont Wade.
12:31Lamont Wade had an 808 OPS and 18 home runs that year.
12:36Man.
12:36What the hell?
12:38Yeah.
12:38All right.
12:39Three more.
12:40Are you giving up?
12:41Pretty much.
12:41All right.
12:42Let's see if I can...
12:43I'll give you clues.
12:44Oh.
12:45Guess I'm not giving up.
12:46No, no, no.
12:46These are fun.
12:47These are fun.
12:48One of them...
12:48Quitting gets a bad name.
12:50One of them used to throw balls at cardboard cutouts in the stands.
12:54Oh, uh, man.
12:56You talked about this a little bit ago, and I forgot.
12:59And people would chant his name in the dugout.
13:00Oh, uh...
13:01Dick.
13:04Yeah.
13:04Alex Dickerson.
13:05You'd have to say it that way.
13:06Yeah.
13:07Alex Dickerson.
13:0813 home runs.
13:09All right.
13:09Okay.
13:11One of these guys has...
13:12This is fun.
13:13One of these guys has a name that is only one letter different than a Desperate Housewives
13:19star.
13:20Oh, boy.
13:21I watch all those.
13:22Oh, Desperate Housewives.
13:23Yeah, Desperate Housewives.
13:24Uh...
13:24Eva Longoria.
13:25Yeah.
13:25Well, no, but his name was...
13:27Devin Longoria.
13:28No, Evan Longoria.
13:29But anyway, Evan Longoria had 13 home runs.
13:33And lastly...
13:33That was a great clue.
13:35Last one.
13:36This man shares a last name with one of our Warriors insiders.
13:41Oh.
13:43Slate.
13:44Yeah.
13:44And his first name was...
13:46Ozzy.
13:46He went by Ozzy.
13:51Austin Slater.
13:52He did not.
13:53He did not.
13:53He did not go by wrong.
13:54That was fun, Mark.
13:55Yeah.
13:55Austin Slater with 12 home runs.
13:57Yeah.
13:58For the Giants.
13:59That year.
13:59And I reached double-digit buzzers in that little quiz.
14:02You did.
14:02So add me on the list.
14:03Like, I would say you did a good job, except for you told me you stared at this just yesterday.
14:08For probably an hour.
14:09Yeah.
14:09So that actually is not a good job.
14:11No, because we were talking about...
14:14I think the topic, Grandy, was 2021 and how Giants fans had more of a feeling of doubt
14:21and dread than this team.
14:24Because my thing yesterday, and I was playing off of your phraseology about expectation versus
14:30hope, and my pendulum is swinging toward expectation with this team because of the sustainability
14:37of what they have.
14:39And it kind of led us to 2021, where even though they won 107, there was still that feeling
14:44of, like, it not even being real.
14:47And maybe that's why.
14:48Because you had all these guys with monster years, and it just felt so, like, out of what
14:55could have been expected.
14:56I mean, in a way, depends on your entry point, I guess, this year feels even weirder.
15:02Because those were career years.
15:04Because this is a bunch of victories when your hitters are not doing that.
15:09They're doing the opposite.
15:11Your hitters are not hitting at all.
15:13And yet you're still finding a way to win games.
15:17Do you want to take a crack at either of the two people who only hit one home run for
15:21that Giants team?
15:22Oh, I mean, I...
15:23Joey Bart?
15:24Two guys.
15:25One of them's still on the team.
15:26Oh, God.
15:27Yeah.
15:28Thank you, Grandy.
15:29I mean...
15:31You have the right position there.
15:33Oh, uh...
15:33If you could name the catcher who that year hit only one home run, I'd give you five bucks
15:38right now.
15:38Is it my guy, Chadwick Tromp?
15:40I owe you five bucks.
15:42All right.
15:42There you go.
15:42That's always my go-to.
15:45That's always my go-to when it comes to, like, a random giant.
15:48Just because of the name, Chadwick Tromp.
15:50The other one, I do believe, correct me if I'm wrong, but this was the end of pitchers
15:55hitting that year.
15:57It was.
15:57Is that correct?
15:58Yep.
15:58All right.
15:59So the other one who only hit one home run was a pitcher.
16:02Yeah, uh...
16:04Mad Bum was gone, so it couldn't have been him.
16:07Uh, man.
16:08This was the last ever giant home run hit by a pitcher.
16:12And I think I looked at this, like, two weeks ago.
16:14Man, your memory sucks.
16:16No, it's awful.
16:17Yeah.
16:17Is it...
16:18Whatever.
16:19Logan Webb?
16:20Yes, of course it is.
16:21What do you mean, of course it is?
16:22I said he's still on the team.
16:24None of the other pitchers were on the team back then.
16:27Uh, okay.
16:28Duvall?
16:29Was Duvall on the team then?
16:31He's a closer.
16:32But is he on the team?
16:33He doesn't go hit.
16:34But is he on the team?
16:37He is now.
16:38All right.
16:39Yes.
16:39I hate these quizzes.
16:40He is now.
16:41I don't think he was then.
16:43Logan Webb hit that home run on game 162.
16:47So not only the last giant to hit, but the last MLB starting pitcher to hit home run.
16:51Exactly.
16:52Look at Grandy with a little did-you-know throwback to the ESPN SportsCenter days.
16:56Okay.
16:57Okay.
16:58These quizzes are more fun at the studio when you can't see my computer and I get to cheat
17:04and then still get them wrong.
17:06That's much more fun.
17:07Yeah.
17:07Duvall was not on that.
17:08Or actually, Duvall did come up at the end.
17:11Oh, okay.
17:12Noah Bats.
17:13Noah Bats.
17:13Of course not.
17:14No.
17:14You know who the closer was that year?
17:17Jake McGee.
17:18Oh, my God.
17:19Jake McGee.
17:20Jake McGee.
17:21Yeah.
17:2131 saves for that Giants team.
17:24Anyway.
17:25Okay.
17:25107 wins and 31 saves.
17:28That tells me that there was a lot of motorboatings.
17:32Well, yes.
17:33And Tyler Rogers did a little bit of the closing as well.
17:36He had 13 saves for that team.
17:38Camillo checked in with three.
17:40Okay.
17:40He had three of the saves that year.
17:42Anyway.
17:438-8-9-5-7-9-5-70.
17:46Absolutely glad that you're with us.
17:48And, yeah.
17:49Shasky's going to hop in here.
17:51In just a few minutes.
17:52And let me tell everybody a little bit about why.
17:55Yeah.
17:55Okay.
17:56Check this out.
17:57I'd like to know.
17:57No, I saw the tweet.
17:58And I actually responded to it.
18:00Yeah.
18:00Because I'm Team Shasky on this one.
18:01Okay.
18:02Okay.
18:02Let's talk about that.
18:03And I'm not on or off the team on this one.
18:08I just have questions.
18:09I have questions.
18:10That's all.
18:11Let me read this to you.
18:13This is from Shasky.
18:14Quote.
18:15Well, nobody would argue that Marco Luciano has been extremely underwhelming.
18:21But I've been as underwhelmed with Kyle Harrison overall.
18:29Both are really young guys.
18:31And maybe they turn it around one day.
18:34I was just hoping one, if not both, would be immediately much better than what they are.
18:43So, what do you mean you're on Team Shasky on that one?
18:45Well, the Luciano part of it is the part where it kind of misses me because Kyle Harrison has been far better than Marco Luciano.
18:55However, I do look at Kyle Harrison and I think just watching him pitch now, and this is only year three, and he's not yet 24 years old, far from a finished product.
19:05I thought that he would be more of a pitcher and less of a thrower.
19:09Because what I see from Kyle, and you saw it again last night, he basically is a one-and-change pitch pitcher.
19:19He throws the fastball the fifth most frequency in all of Major League Baseball.
19:25He throws it only 70% of the time.
19:27You went and found analytics, did you?
19:29I did because I do.
19:31When you watch him pitch, you think, God, this guy throws a lot of fastballs.
19:36He doesn't have a secondary pitch.
19:38And so, if you're going to be a starter with a mediocre fastball, and his fastball is 95.
19:46It's not an overwhelming fastball.
19:50Maybe the velo will continue to rise as he gets healthier after last year.
19:54I look at a guy with a slightly above-average fastball, and that's it.
19:58He doesn't have a breaking pitch or a change-up that he throws that effectively.
20:04So, I'm just a little bit, I'm a little underwhelmed by him as a starting pitcher right now in year three.
20:11Underwhelmed?
20:12I don't think that's an unfair word by any stretch.
20:16But question number one, I can already tell you for Joe, is going to be, why did this sentiment show up today?
20:23Like, I didn't think last night was some sort of a, he gave up four hits in five innings at Coors Field.
20:32To the worst offense in the history of baseball.
20:35Four hits in five, and I understand the two of them were home runs.
20:38It's Coors Field.
20:40I don't know if this matters to you.
20:42I have it on very good authority that Kyle was incredibly under the weather last night.
20:48Matter to you or no?
20:49No.
20:50Okay.
20:50No.
20:50All right.
20:51And my thing is always, if you are out there, you're out there.
20:54I know.
20:55I know that's your thing.
20:56I'm just going to present a bunch of stuff to you.
20:58You tell me if it matters or not.
21:00Here's actually my number one thing.
21:03He's 23.
21:05Yeah, almost 24.
21:06He's 23 years old.
21:08Old enough to have developed a second or third pitch, I think.
21:12Well, he has developed a second or third pitch.
21:14You may not think he uses it enough, but he's not throwing exclusively fastballs.
21:18Right.
21:18You know what I mean?
21:21I guess not just 23, but this is a guy that, like, how many starts since they brought him back from the bullpen?
21:31Like, what are we at here?
21:32Four?
21:33Four starts?
21:34Four starts.
21:35Is that where we're at?
21:36Yep.
21:36Four starts.
21:37Last year, he pitched hurt.
21:39He was pretty much hurt.
21:40Like, multiple injuries that he was dealing with.
21:43Lost his command.
21:46He lost his mechanics.
21:48All of those things.
21:49Tried to pitch through it.
21:51It didn't go great.
21:52But, yes.
21:53He's, like, still building.
21:55He's like, I don't know, man.
21:56He hasn't pitched more than five innings in a game yet this year.
22:00Like, he's clearly building up strength and stamina back to being a starting pitcher again.
22:06And, gosh.
22:08I mean, last night, four hits and five innings.
22:12Sure.
22:12The game against San Diego was not great.
22:14The time before that, five shutout innings and one hit.
22:18Like, I guess my point is I'm just not seeing something that looks like a gas can out there.
22:24He doesn't look bad.
22:25He does not.
22:26He's 23 years old.
22:27Right.
22:28To me, he does not look like a first-round pick.
22:31And that's what he was.
22:32To me, he looks like a guy who is just relying on his natural ability.
22:38And I've not seen the evolution of a pitcher.
22:41I see a thrower, a guy who can hump it up their 95, 96, but I'm not seeing him evolve into being a pitcher.
22:49And he was hurt last year.
22:51Fine.
22:514.56 ERA.
22:53This year, 4.56 ERA.
22:55Yeah.
22:55Wow.
22:56And that's just one number.
22:58Yeah, very limited outings so far.
23:00I'm just a little bit disappointed in the arc of his career.
23:05I'm not seeing the development of the arsenal and, you know, him as a pitcher.
23:11Interesting.
23:12Interesting.
23:13You know how – what do we say on this show so far in 2025?
23:16All roads lead to –
23:18Oh, Kaminga.
23:18Okay.
23:20I just want – like, Kyle's 23.
23:23Right.
23:2423.
23:24No one's asking for other 22- and 23-year-olds to be finished products yet.
23:30Not – I'm not expecting him to be a finished product, but much like Kaminga, I'm looking for development.
23:36And I don't think that Kaminga's game has developed to where I would be comfortable.
23:41Okay.
23:41That's actually not a bad comp.
23:42I just –
23:43Also, he's not 23.
23:44No, I know.
23:45He's 22.
23:45He's 22.
23:46Big difference.
23:47Yep.
23:47Yep.
23:47Although, been in the pros a lot longer than Kyle has.
23:49Harrison's about to be 24.
23:51Yep.
23:51Fair.
23:52And Jonathan is about to be 23.
23:54That's what happens every year.