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00:00The question is, is it about to be There He Goes?
00:05Oh, no, he's here.
00:06He's him.
00:07He's here.
00:08He's here.
00:08He's here?
00:09He'll be here, yes.
00:12I mean, I would put it at, I mean, honestly, if I look at it from.
00:18Yeah, put a percentage on it.
00:20Like, for November 1st, Jonathan Kaminga, hi.
00:24Opening night in a warrior uniform.
00:27Yeah, I would say it's 93% yes, 7% no.
00:33And the 7% is some other team comes in and says, you know what, JK?
00:39We're going to give you kabam, kaboom.
00:42We're going to give you a kaboom deal.
00:45And the warrior's going to go, what?
00:48You're going to give him what?
00:50I see another possibility out there.
00:53Talk to me.
00:54I don't foresee the kaboom.
00:58I don't think that's coming.
01:00I agree with you that that would be one way.
01:02Kaboom.
01:03The kaboom coming means the warriors essentially would be forced into letting him walk for nothing.
01:12And I don't believe the warriors will do that at all.
01:15And I know you could say, well, maybe it will be out of their hands.
01:18Well, I don't think that the warriors are going to leave it out of their hands.
01:22And, in fact, tucked into the comment I'm about to play for you from Mike Dunleavy is that answer.
01:28Let's play this for you.
01:30And then let's get into it.
01:32888-957-9570 is the number.
01:38So, let's see.
01:40A couple of things to let you hear.
01:44First of all, the draft is Wednesday.
01:46Listen to what he says happens right after the draft.
01:49Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of different ways we can go.
01:52We've got some free agents that are priorities.
01:55We've got to handle that.
01:56But some of that stuff may lean into trades and other things.
02:00I mean, obviously, we wound up into a big deal last summer, multi-team trade.
02:04And so, anytime you get into the free agent stuff and you start looking at exceptions and cap space and all these things, it lends itself to it.
02:10We'll be opportunistic.
02:11You know, I think with our cap and strategy group, those guys are really good.
02:14So, we'll look at everything.
02:15It's hard to say right now, though, honestly, as far as, like, what's out there, what could happen.
02:19But we'll definitely be in the mix.
02:21I mean, I think we've shown a history of doing that.
02:23Okay, we're definitely going to be in the mix.
02:25We've got some free agents.
02:27That could lead down the road of being involved in trade talks.
02:31Because I can't help but think he's mainly referring to Jonathan.
02:36And I know everybody's stuck on this whole sign-and-trade thing.
02:39If you were to sign-and-trade Kaminga, you're only going to get 50% back on the dollar.
02:43That's all true.
02:45But my sense in reading the possibilities that are out there, if Kaminga is involved in the deal, there's going to be a big deal.
02:53Meaning, there's going to be, like, a bunch of teams.
02:56Right.
02:56And a lot of players.
02:57And something that is fairly complex.
03:01So that, to me, is why I'm not going to say that the favorite isn't still him being here.
03:08But I do think there's a scenario outside of some team comes in with the kaboom.
03:15I think there's a scenario outside of that that has the Warriors involving Jonathan Kaminga in some sort of a deal.
03:22It's definitely possible.
03:23But for me, if you're going to make a move of any sort of, like, magnitude,
03:30you would have to involve Kaminga and another player, another salary, and picks, and, you know,
03:37a lot of other things if you want to bring back something that's really, you know, nice and shiny and sparkly.
03:42And I do think that if they made some deal, that's what that would be.
03:46He was specifically asked about Jonathan as the Warriors head into the offseason.
03:52This is what he said about Jonathan's restricted free agency.
03:56Yeah, so we can start with the finals and last night we can start pursuing that right now leading up into free agency.
04:02And I think we're in a good spot with it, honestly.
04:04We have the ability to bring him back.
04:06He's restricted.
04:07You know, I think there'll be good dialogue.
04:09And I'd like to figure something out sooner than later.
04:12That'd be great.
04:12But I also acknowledge with restricted free agency, these things can drag out a little bit and take some time.
04:17But, you know, I think we feel pretty comfortable with who J.K. is as a player and what he can do for our organization.
04:23And, you know, we'll continue.
04:25It's a main priority going into free agency.
04:27Okay.
04:27That is our main priority going into free agency.
04:32Yep.
04:33Jonathan Kaminga.
04:34And I think it was Bobby Marks who a few weeks back said, this is the linchpin to everything that the Warriors are going to do.
04:41If they bring him back, that's your free agency.
04:46There you go.
04:47That's it.
04:48There's your acquisition.
04:49There you go.
04:50Yeah.
04:50And if not, then things can go a thousand different directions.
04:54But I hear a guy that wants to do this quickly.
04:57And I also hear a guy that's open to this going a bunch of different directions.
05:02I get there that at the end, he's like, yep, we know exactly who he is, what he can do for our organization.
05:08But I hear a voice there that's open, open to this going a lot of different ways.
05:15Yes, open.
05:16But I do think that when you start to think about J.K. as an asset, and forget the player, because I do think that the player himself is an asset.
05:25He's 22.
05:26He is diverse.
05:28He's developing.
05:29He's good, if not great.
05:31He's not a superstar.
05:33He's not even a star yet.
05:34But he's a good to great player.
05:37So the player himself as an asset is greater than what his salary is right now.
05:43So I think about what you could do as a Warrior team with Jonathan Kaminga.
05:48And if you sign him and then trade him, if it's a sign and trade, well, you're only getting 50 cents on the dollar right now.
05:57So if you sign him and then trade him in February, for example, well, now I believe you can get a lot more for him at that point, as opposed to what you can get for him right now in a sign and trade.
06:10Maybe, but then again, never forget this.
06:1350 cents on the dollar, these are mythical dollars.
06:17Right now, he only makes about $7 or $8 million.
06:19Right.
06:19If he's included in a deal and you're talking about $25 to $30 million, well, now you're getting back a player that's more in the $12 to $15 million range, which is twice what Kaminga's making now.
06:33All of this is about assessing who he is, what he's worth.
06:35I don't really know how to do that, especially in this particular market where it seems like teams are much, much more hesitant to roll out the big dollars.
06:45We'll see where that market goes.
06:47Don Levy was asked, what are the benefits of getting things with Kaminga done early?
06:52Just clarity, right?
06:53Roster clarity in terms of what else we need to add in free agency.
06:56Also, what we have to spend in terms of minimums, exceptions, those different types of things.
07:00So I think that's the sooner, the better for everyone.
07:03His sake, too, I would say, I would believe.
07:05But restrictive free agency can be a little different, so we may have to be patient.
07:10Okay.
07:10So, obviously, I think he's twice referencing the idea that, like, we'd like to get this done early, but Jonathan might not.
07:18Jonathan might like to go find out what other teams are going to do, what kind of space they have.
07:24Do they miss out on someone, and then it spins to Jonathan, and that means millions of dollars for him.
07:29It could play that way.
07:31So I know the Warriors want to do this quickly.
07:33I don't know if Jonathan does.
07:34Right.
07:35I mean, especially if you're Jonathan, think about his, you know, standpoint, which is you're restricted, which means you have to get an offer, and then the Warriors either match or they don't match.
07:45And if you're Jonathan, you're like, okay, let's see what the offers might be from the other 29.
07:50Because I know that this team, last year, I wanted a certain amount of money, and they said no thank you, and I played, and I kind of played, and then they DNP'd me, and I mean, I didn't really get to play until Steph got hurt, and then I played, and I played well, and I played awesome.
08:09But, you know, how do you feel about me, Warriors?
08:11Warriors, let's find out.
08:13Or, you know, is there another team out there who wants to give me a big boatload of money to let me go out there and really cook?
08:20Look, I want to get into this a little bit further, but before we do that, I just want to play this for all the Giannis folks out there.
08:28Is everybody ready?
08:29If you're a Giannis person, I want you to lean closer to your speakers.
08:34Are we getting Giannis?
08:34If you're a Giannis person, I just ask the person next to you, shh, I'd like all the Giannis people to listen to Mike.
08:48Only because just of our salary structure and the way it works with the amount of money you can use underneath the second apron, that probably restricts it more than anything for us in terms of pursuing the best roster we can.
08:59And so I think we'll look at stuff, we'll look at players that we really like, it's just almost impossible for us to add players in the salary range of guys we were looking at last summer, since we've added Jimmy.
09:10That would be the only limiter, but in terms of, like, finding talent, improving this team, you know, we're going to look under, you know, every rock to try and do that.
09:17Okay.
09:19The quote was, it is almost impossible to add anybody who is making that kind of salary, and the reference he's making is $50 million.
09:29And Giannis makes more than $50 million.
09:33Yep.
09:34So the quote is, almost impossible.
09:37I know the word almost is in there, so that's fun.
09:41And I know big-time sports franchises do things like this, which is under-promise, and then try to maybe over-deliver, right?
09:50We foresee Jordan Poole being on this team long-term.
09:53Right.
09:54And three days later, he was a wizard.
09:55So I'm not saying that they tapped out of any conversation.
10:00I just think that that's an important premise as we go into the offseason.
10:06I just, I don't think the Warriors are going to be involved with players that are making that kind of money.
10:13None of them.
10:14No, and no team really can do that.
10:18And, you know, I made this list about three months ago of teams that have three players making $30 million or more per year going into next year.
10:28And the Warriors are not one of them.
10:30Boston's actually the only team that has four of them.
10:33Boston's got four players making $30-plus million a year.
10:37On this list is Houston and Phoenix.
10:40And, well, they only swapped players who are both making $30 million next year, Jalen Green and Kevin Durant.
10:46But all these teams that are making that much money, there are ten of them.
10:51Ten teams have three guys making $30 million or more per year.
10:55The Warriors aren't one of them.
10:57And I don't know if you could be one of these teams and really go about your business long-term.
11:02And for me, long-term for the Warriors is two years.
11:05You've got two more years of Steph, Jimmy, and Draymond.
11:08Draymond's not making $30 million.
11:10You've got Steph and Jimmy who are both in the top ten in salary next year.
11:16And so you can't add another guy without getting rid of either Jimmy or Draymond or more.
11:23So here's my question for you and for everybody listening, 888-957-957.
11:28Okay.
11:28When you hear Mike Dunleavy say, quote, Jonathan Kaminga is the main priority for us going into free agency.
11:39I just want to know.
11:41And, by the way, we're not going to hold anybody to this answer.
11:44It's not even necessarily your opinion.
11:47I just want to know where your brain goes.
11:49When he says that, Jonathan Kaminga is the main priority for us to get figured out before we get into free agency.
12:01Where does your brain go?
12:03Does your brain go to Jonathan Kaminga being on the bench and playing 25 to 30 minutes a night for the Warriors next year?
12:10Or does your brain go to Jonathan Kaminga plays for Utah this fall?
12:16Like, when you heard him say that, what did you think is going to happen with regard to this offseason?
12:26Jonathan Kaminga on the team or Jonathan Kaminga off the team?
12:30888-957-957.
12:32Yeah, Kaminga on the team.
12:33And I do think that when you look at the landscape of the league right now, as it pertains to salary cap room and the teams that are out there who could potentially pay more than the Warriors want to pay,
12:47I don't think that there's a lot of those teams that are out there.
12:49And so, I hear Mike Dunleavy say that.
12:53And, you know, the priority is to, quote, figure out Jonathan Kaminga.
12:58For me, that means sit back and wait and see what the other offers will be.
13:04And I do believe that, you know, Dunleavy and the other people in the front office are realizing the financial landscape.
13:12And they also think that, you know, there probably won't be a ton of big-time offers coming in for Kaminga.
13:19So, if you're Dunleavy and the rest of the front office, you're going to sit back and wait.
13:24You're going to play the waiting game and see, you know, if any other offers come in that you would have to match or not match.
13:31And if there are no offers that come in that you have to match or not match, well, now you're in the catbird seat.
13:37You are.
13:37And now you can kind of dictate what you want to do with Jonathan Kaminga.
13:41And I do think it's interesting where, you know, like with Jordan Poole.
13:45Like, you gave Jordan Poole the big extension, and you had a full year before it kicked in.
13:51And during that year, he and a teammate allegedly got into a little bit of a, you know, confrontation.
13:57And he may or may not have been punched.
13:59And then after that year, you traded him.
14:02But you traded him with that big number attached to him.
14:06So, I can't help but think about that with Kaminga where, you know, you could sign him to, I don't know, a three.
14:12Let's just say three years and $100 million for Kaminga.
14:15$33 million a year.
14:16Let's just pretend.
14:18That's more than you'll have to pay him.
14:19But if you do attach that big of a number to him, then when you trade him, you get that much money back in player at the deadline.
14:28I want you to play that out in your head, though.
14:31Like, if you stick a number on Jonathan, and then your hope, or at least your openness, is to deal him at the deadline,
14:40you've got to do something there with him in the first half of the season that makes him attractive to people.
14:45Like, play him?
14:46You cannot pay him $33 million and then have Steve Kerr come on Willard and Dibbs every week and just, you know, I can't play him.
14:54Can't win with him.
14:54I don't know what to do, guys.
14:55Let me tell you something.
14:56This guy is a ball player.
14:58Can't do it.
14:59He wasn't talking about J.K. when he had that quote, just so you know.
15:02So, like, I don't know, I get what you're saying in theory, but in execution, that's challenging.
15:12All I can do, I'll go ahead, just for giggles, I'm going to go ahead and take the other side.
15:19And I'm going to say that right now.
15:21For Schmitz and giggles?
15:22For Schmitz and giggles.
15:23He's on one, so sure, it works.
15:26He's on one.
15:26If you had done that to me six days ago, I'd have been like, get off my team.
15:30But now, yep.
15:32I mean, you get a lot of people off your team.
15:34Well.
15:35Gerrard and Koss and.
15:37Oh, yeah, it was Christian Koss.
15:38Over the weekend, get off my team.
15:40Well, Christian Koss has got to, he's got to, he's got to be the platoon second baseman until Matt Chapman gets back.
15:46And then Christian Koss probably will get off the team.
15:49Yep.
15:49Oh, the double plays with the bases loaded.
15:52Right.
15:52Twice.
15:52Two of them.
15:53Yep.
15:53And then we're out here kicking ground balls out there.
15:56What are we?
15:58What are we doing?
15:59This is after we, right?
16:01This is when we went to the plate in Detroit and we're like, oh, we got a big at bat.
16:05Okay.
16:05Let's bunt.
16:06I just.
16:09Yeah.
16:10Organizational depth.
16:11Just not quite there yet.
16:13Nope.
16:13Not quite there yet.
16:14Anyway, I digress.
16:18I think, and this is the way I will say it.
16:21I think that there is a very fair chance that Jonathan Kaminga is on the team next year.
16:27But I don't think that's the Warriors option A.
16:30And I mean this from their perspective.
16:33I think that they think.
16:36Because remember, I'm so stuck on what Bobby Mark said to us.
16:41If you sign Jonathan Kaminga, that's your offseason.
16:46That's it.
16:47Yep.
16:48And I know there's a lot of JK fans in town, but I also challenge any Warrior fan out there
16:54to just, that's it.
16:56They re-signed Jonathan Kaminga.
16:58Okay, let's play again.
17:00And now everybody, you're happy with the offseason?
17:03You think that that makes you feel like you're going to go beat Houston and OKC in Minnesota?
17:08What did they do to get better?
17:10Well, they brought everybody back.
17:13That's it.
17:14That's what they did.
17:15They brought back the guy that they're having a hard time finding a role for.
17:19I don't think that's what the Warriors want to do.
17:22They might.
17:23They might do what you're suggesting because they have to.
17:26Right.
17:26But I think that there are complicated and layered deals that the Warriors would like
17:35to explore so that it's not a one-for-one and they've got to do the 50 cents on a dollar
17:40thing, but that there is a complex multi-team deal that gets Jonathan to a place where he
17:47can really grow as the potential guy or one of the potential guys.
17:52And the Warriors can do something that really makes them feel like they are following their
17:58mantra, maximize the remainder of Steph Curry's career.
18:03I don't like, oof, I can't imagine that they are comfortable with Jonathan representing their
18:10entire offseason.
18:12I can't even imagine how they'd be comfortable with that based on the way it's gone.
18:16I agree with you, but I do think about it in terms of their ability to do something else
18:21where their ability to do something else at the deadline is greater than their ability
18:26to do something now.
18:28Because if you take Kaminga in a sign and trade, and even if you package him with Moody, who's
18:34making 11.5, or Butters, my name's Buddy, who's making 9.
18:40You don't have a lot of...
18:42My name is Buddy.
18:42Sorry about that.
18:43I apologize, Butters.
18:45But if you take those salaries and...
18:49I'm Batman.
18:49Yeah.
18:50If you want to package Kaminga in a sign and trade with something, you're still winding
18:56up with a middle-of-the-road, middling player.
18:59You don't know that.
19:00You don't know that.
19:01I mean, it depends on what guys are making in that moment.
19:05And they might be at a certain moment in their arc and in their contract and all of those
19:10things.
19:11You know what I mean?
19:12Like, it gets weird sometimes.
19:14I don't want to keep fixating on this guy, because Grandy and I have gone way too far
19:17with him.
19:18But like...
19:19You guys did a whole show on him.
19:20Yeah.
19:21Cam Johnson is somebody who is better than his salary.
19:25He's better than his salary.
19:27I don't know how many of those guys are out there, but he's better than his salary.
19:31And so, you know, is that someone that you can grab?
19:35Or, let's talk about the Utah Jazz.
19:39They've got a bunch of young players.
19:40And therefore, nobody's...
19:43Other than marketing, nobody's maxed out at major dollar figures.
19:47But there are some guys there who can be helpful, just because of the style that they play.
19:53I mean, if there was ever a Steve Kerr move to be made, it would be someone who is maybe
20:00not even quite as good as Jonathan.
20:04But he fits.
20:05Right.
20:05Like, that's the kind of move I could see the Warriors making.
20:09Where they concede, yeah.
20:11Like, okay, pay Jonathan 25.
20:15And we'll throw in something else.
20:18And sure, we'll take back $20 million in salary.
20:21And maybe it's only a $20 million player.
20:23And Jonathan's a $25 million player.
20:26But that $20 million player does what the Warriors need.
20:30Like, maybe he's tall.
20:32Or something like that.
20:34Could you be tall?
20:36Right?
20:37That's what I really think has got to be their option A.
20:41Because if that's not their option A.
20:42If option A is just re-signing the guy.
20:45I don't know, after the experience they've been through, how, A, they're not going to feel like
20:49they're overpaying him.
20:51B, he's not going to be nervous about the role that he's about to have.
20:55And C, they've got to get to work.
20:58Steve promised us they've got to get to work figuring out something they weren't able to figure out.
21:03Which is how to inject that guy into Jimmy Butler and Steph Curry.
21:08And not have everybody drive everybody crazy.
21:11Not easy to do.
21:12Nope.
21:12That's not what I would want to do in training camp if I were the Warriors.
21:15Yeah, but at the same time, you also want to have, you know, your asset be able to command back in a trade
21:24what they're worth.
21:25And right now, you won't get that.
21:27Even if, you know, if you think Kaminga is a $25 million a year guy,
21:31and that's probably about where it'll land.
21:3320, 25, whatever.
21:35So, if you sign him for 25, and you trade him, and you get $12.5 million back,
21:40that's going to feel like a loss.
21:42Almost no matter what you get back, even if it is, like you're saying,
21:46a player who's not as good as Kaminga, but somebody who maybe fits better in that role.
21:50Because right now, Kaminga, if you bring back this entire team next year,
21:55Kaminga is your sixth man, your seventh man, whatever.
21:58He won't start.
21:59It'll be, you know, Pods and Steph.
22:02It'll be Draymond and Jimmy and, you know, fill-in-the-blank center,
22:05whether it's TJD or Looney or whatever, if Looney comes back.
22:09And so, your second unit will be JK.
22:12So, could you find somebody who makes half as much and fits better for a year or two?
22:18Yeah, but if you trade Kaminga for that, for a short-term fix,
22:23I don't know if that's going to be something that you want to do.
22:26I don't think it will feel great.
22:28And it absolutely has the potential to really blow up in your face.
22:34But we're maximizing the remainder of Steph Curry's career.
22:38We are, but so far...
22:40That's what they say they want to do.
22:41So far, the deals you've done with your two timelines, your second timeline,
22:47Jordan Poole not blowing up in your face,
22:49and Wiseman not blowing up in your face.
22:52I hope he's able to come back and play basketball this year.
22:55So, like all your other two timeline guys,
22:58no one's blowing up in your face so far.
23:00This one might.
23:02It could.
23:03It could.
23:04And I don't think that would make the Warriors hesitate at all.
23:06I don't think that would make them hesitate at all.
23:10You know, when Steve Kerr said a few weeks ago,
23:14like, man, when your stars are in their mid to late 30s,
23:17you don't trade all of your first-round picks and pick swaps.
23:21And, like, that'd be crazy with guys at that age.
23:23You know what he didn't say?
23:25He did not say, and you don't trade anybody who's 22 or 23.
23:29You don't do that.
23:31No, he didn't say that.
23:32No?
23:32He did not say that.
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