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00:00All right, it's crossover time. Let's welcome in Dan Dibley and Mark Willard, along with Evan Giddings.
00:06What's going on, gentlemen? How are you?
00:08I'm doing great. Just, you know, settling into this period between actual NBA games and this wild, wild offseason that is already underway.
00:19Yeah. Three trades already made. Durant, Drew Holiday, and McCollum.
00:25McCollum. Don't forget Desmond Bain.
00:27Oh, yeah. Desmond Bain.
00:28Desmond Bain.
00:29Yeah.
00:30Yeah, Jordan Poole on the move.
00:31Back in the West.
00:32Yeah.
00:33Huh.
00:34Man.
00:34It sent a tremble through the Warrior fan base.
00:38Mark's got thoughts, and I'll save his thoughts for him, because what he said on our show text thread is pretty spot on.
00:45But my take is more of a broader look at the league and what this new CBA and the apron and all these other cockamamie rules.
00:56Is this really what the league wants?
00:57Do they want the Nuggets, for example, to say, gee, we're open to trading Jokic because nobody can afford anybody anymore?
01:05So, I don't know, maybe this is unintended circumstances or consequences, or maybe this is what the league wants.
01:12I do wonder what they want.
01:14What do they want?
01:15Do they want seven champions in seven years?
01:17Maybe.
01:18I mean, maybe they do.
01:19Like, parity for the NBA is not a bad idea, but is it almost at the expense of, whether it's a major market team or any team,
01:31is it at the expense of them being able to sort of, like, do good business, right?
01:38If they're really good at drafting and they're really good at culture and people want to be there,
01:45but, like, you have to send people packing, even though you don't want to.
01:50I don't know if that's a good thing.
01:51Yeah, what I'm thinking about is maybe, and this is obvious, there's no team good enough out there right now to repeat,
02:00or there hasn't been a team out there good enough to repeat since the Warriors.
02:04And I think there's something to, I think for whatever reason it's gotten harder to repeat.
02:11Like, in the NBA, I don't know if I can speak to other sports, but it feels like psychologically they've talked themselves into
02:19that it's such a grind to win a title, and the season's so long that there's just a natural letdown the following year,
02:28and it's just hard to get back to where you were.
02:32I think we kind of saw it with Denver.
02:36You know, Boston maybe was the outlier if Tatum doesn't get hurt.
02:40But I don't think the Oklahoma City Thunder are unbeatable.
02:45I think what they wanted was what we saw in the West, which is the two and the eighth seed are separated by four games.
02:53Yeah, something like that.
02:54So, I mean, realistically, there's a lot of teams in the West that would have had a shot.
02:59You can make it.
03:00There are a lot of people who might have thought the Clippers were the third-best team in the West this year.
03:03They just happened to catch Denver in the first round.
03:05And cream rises, and I think the West is in a tough spot, but that's kind of what the league wants.
03:12Meanwhile, the East is just, unfortunately, decimated by injury.
03:15But I actually do think that when they set out to, you know, strip down a lot of these big dynastic groups
03:21and not allow homegrown teams to keep their talent, I think they did want seven different champions in seven years.
03:29I don't know.
03:29Now, maybe they're rethinking it now because it's like, oh, well, there's actually a lot of waning interest,
03:34and no one really knows who's going to be good and who's going to keep who.
03:37But I think this is what they wanted.
03:39I guess on the surface, but something Mark and I have talked a lot about is that very notion you just described,
03:45which is homegrown stars.
03:47So you draft a guy, the player's good, and then you pay him.
03:52And then once you pay him, that's pretty much it.
03:54You're not going to really be able to pay him again unless you want to run it like the Warriors are now,
03:58which is two guys who make an exorbitant amount.
04:02Draymond makes a good amount, and then you're going to surround them with vet men and, you know,
04:07drafted cheap talent, or you go the other way, OKC, which is, you know,
04:12you had all these picks, and you hit on a bunch of them, and you got Gildress Alexander,
04:16and so you're able to build it that way.
04:17But my big issue with the league is like what happened today with Washington and New Orleans.
04:23So they basically make a trade.
04:25It's a bad team trading with a team that's even worse.
04:28And, you know, I don't even know who got out ahead.
04:32Washington clearly wanted off the pool money, and now they're going to have a ton of money next year.
04:37So what, tough guy?
04:39What are you going to do about it, Washington?
04:40Nobody wants to go there.
04:42So you're going to have $100 million under the cap, and nobody wants to play for you.
04:46Well, I'm going to have to look at next year's free agent class.
04:49But they might have looked, I don't know, they might have looked at everybody and said,
04:53there's only going to be two teams next year with money, and there's three big free agents.
04:57So even if they don't want to come, they're going to take our money, maybe.
05:02Yeah, I think Bobby Marks, when he joined us before, said a couple weeks ago that he's estimating at least 10 teams next year will have money.
05:11Yeah, this year there's only the one.
05:12It's Brooklyn.
05:13They're the only team with money, which is why if you're Jonathan Kaminga, all roads lead back to Kaminga, as you know, Mark.
05:18But if you're Kaminga, you're kind of screwed that this is the year where you're hitting the market because nobody's got money.
05:25Yeah.
05:25Washington's setting up for Doncic?
05:28Eh?
05:29Luka Doncic?
05:31Schlenk gets another chance at it?
05:32In the capital?
05:34Go to the Eastern Conference.
05:35If I'm a star, that's actually what's pulling me.
05:40But I also think any team can become attractive again.
05:46You just have to.
05:48The Warriors.
05:48Yeah, you have to have good young talent,
05:52and then you have to show yourself as quality organization that makes good decisions
05:57and is willing to pay their players.
05:59If you do that, like, I mean, it's not like, we're talking about Washington, D.C.
06:03We're not talking about Milwaukee.
06:06We're not talking about Oklahoma City.
06:08And, oh, by the way, look at those organizations.
06:10Oklahoma City just won a title.
06:12Milwaukee is a few years removed from one.
06:14So Washington can become a destination as well.
06:17I think the country is so small now that, like, especially in the NBA,
06:23I don't, I was so struck by, and this was baseball,
06:27but when Blake Snell joined the Giants last year and our city for two years
06:33was freaking out about this idea why everybody hates San Francisco
06:37and nobody will come here because Tenderloin, right, and Fox News,
06:42and everyone's freaking out about this completely made-up thing.
06:47In my mind.
06:48And so Blake Snell becomes one of a very few, like, somewhat big names,
06:55high-priced guys that choose San Francisco, and they're like,
06:57why'd you choose here?
06:58He goes, I don't care where I play.
07:00We're barely even in the city that we play for.
07:02Yeah.
07:04Like, you know, my wife's got to figure it out for,
07:07especially on a one-year deal.
07:09My wife's got to figure it out for eight months.
07:11Other than that, why do I care where I play?
07:14I, Snell doesn't do it for me.
07:17Well, I mean, like, I guess what I'm saying is look at the Giants now.
07:21Are they more of a destination than they were even a year ago?
07:25Yes.
07:25There you go.
07:26Absolutely.
07:26So Washington can do that too.
07:28No, I hear what you're saying.
07:29I just meant, like, when we talk about the free agents that the Giants missed out on
07:35and then the one they got in Adamas or even the one they were going to get in Correa,
07:42like, I don't put Snell in that class because he was just a one-year deal.
07:46Oh, I agree.
07:47But having said that, like, yeah, they got Chapman, but they were able to re-sign him,
07:54which means he wanted to be here.
07:55I guess, but why did he want to be here?
07:58I would bet.
07:59Do I think he likes the Bay Area?
08:01Sure.
08:01I think he likes Bob Melvin.
08:03I think he likes, now, the direction of the organization.
08:07I guess my point is, is when guys are looking at where to go,
08:11the city in which the team plays is going further and further down the list
08:17of why they go there.
08:20I think, for me, looking at the NBA, like, number one on the list is who do you have?
08:25What do you got?
08:27Who do you have on your team?
08:28And if you're Washington right now, you don't have anybody.
08:31But you're Washington.
08:33Right.
08:33I mean, you're in the East, which gives you a better,
08:37chance to, you know, get one guy and be better.
08:39We know the teams that are going to have, like, you know,
08:41Sacramento is classically this.
08:44Sacramento, in NBA culture, is going to have a harder time convincing somebody
08:49to come than Washington, D.C., for sure.
08:52Yeah, fair, but I do think that it comes down to who's on your team.
08:56Yeah, I agree.
08:57And looking at next year's free agent list, it's a fascinating list of the who's who.
09:02It's Lillard and LeBron.
09:04It's KD, Trey Young, and Luka.
09:07It's Kyrie and Harden.
09:09I mean, a lot of these guys are, you know, toward the end of the rope guys, but...
09:12And or hurt.
09:14Right.
09:14Well, I mean, in a year, Kyrie won't be hurt.
09:16Right, but I mean, when you have one of those injuries in your 30s, it depends.
09:21I mean, KD's come back pretty well from his.
09:23Like you mentioned Lillard.
09:25So he's not going to play next year.
09:27Right.
09:27What's that contract like when he goes out in the free agent market next summer, having
09:31not played, and have already had his 35th birthday?
09:34And honestly, looking at his deal, he'll opt in to 58.5.
09:39It's a player option.
09:40So if I'm Dame, I'm going to go ahead and opt in now.
09:43Yeah.
09:43And say, yeah, I'm going to take next year off, and then you can pay me 58.5, and we'll
09:46see how I'm doing.
09:48But just the list of names, like five years ago, wow, it's a who's who, and now, I mean,
09:54even LeBron, who, I was pointing this out to our team earlier, his NBA career is old
09:59enough to drink.
10:02He's been in the league, this will be what, year 23, I think, because I was going through
10:07doing a little bit of a dive today on NBA drafts, because the draft is tomorrow, and not quite
10:13a deep dive yet.
10:13I'm kind of, you know, still in the shallow end, but just looking at the history of number
10:18one overall picks, and, you know, how many of those guys have turned out to be busts
10:24since LeBron.
10:25Right now, you're essentially still using a snorkel, and you'll eventually put the oxygen
10:32tank on it.
10:32Yeah, no doubt.
10:33No doubt.
10:34The scuba.
10:35But I was just looking at some drafts, because I was today years old when I realized that
10:41Cooper Flagg has a twin brother.
10:42Cooper.
10:43Oh.
10:43Does he?
10:44Yeah.
10:44Apparently, so was I.
10:45His name is Ace.
10:47Oh.
10:47Oh.
10:47So I was looking at Cooper Flagg, and he has a twin.
10:50Ace Flagg is a really cool name.
10:51Pretty cool.
10:52That sounds like a cartoon.
10:53Ace, one minute older than Cooper, and I was just looking at his numbers.
10:57Yeah, what's he doing?
10:58I think he might still play from the University of Maine, but he averaged like two and one
11:04in high school when they won the state championship at Monteverde.
11:07So it just had me thinking about like twins, because you would assume like, you know,
11:13Ahmed Thompson and his brother.
11:15Right.
11:15Twins.
11:16Both first round picks.
11:17Legit.
11:17The Lopez's.
11:18The Collins twins.
11:19How about Dick and Tom Van Arsdale?
11:21There you go.
11:22I didn't see that one.
11:24Good job.
11:24The Barry brothers.
11:27They're not twins.
11:28Oh, no, no.
11:29That's right.
11:29They're twins.
11:29There's like 14 of them.
11:31Twins.
11:31Exactly.
11:32Taylor and Tyler Rogers.
11:33Yeah, good point.
11:34There's a good one.
11:35I think it's more, probably more common that both twins are pro athletes than one is and
11:41one's not.
11:42It just had me thinking today about the brothers, the brothers' flag.
11:47Yeah, I didn't know that either.
11:49Yeah, caught me off guard.
11:50Yeah, if he's averaging two points a game, his name is not Ace Flagg.
11:54His name is Cooper Flagg's brother.
11:55Well, it might be Deuce.
11:57Yeah, that's Deuce Flagg.
11:59I don't even know if he still is a, what are they, the Bears?
12:02University of Maine?
12:03Black Bears.
12:04Black Bears.
12:05Black Bears.
12:06A great hockey program.
12:07Like the diner.
12:07I do wonder how many people are going to be locked in on the draft tonight just because
12:11tomorrow.
12:12Or tomorrow, sorry.
12:13Just because, like, you know who the number one player is and then outside of that is,
12:18like, what, they got a second day now, so the Warriors are drafting on Thursday.
12:21Yep.
12:22But it's not the NFL draft.
12:25It doesn't have the same, even the second day in the NFL draft feels, like, more important
12:29than day one of the NBA.
12:31Tomorrow night doesn't even make the top two on my remote control list.
12:35Hold on.
12:36That's tomorrow.
12:36You're going to Valkyries again?
12:38Actually, going.
12:39Oh.
12:39Going to the Valkyries game.
12:40Going Valkyries.
12:42And then you'll have Giants on the side.
12:43And the Giants will be across the parking lot.
12:45Yeah.
12:45On the phone.
12:46Yeah.
12:47Or whatever.
12:48Like, but no, if I were home, set your alerts, though, for when the Warriors pick.
12:54Well, they don't even pick tomorrow night.
12:56Yeah, Thursday.
12:57Thursday.
12:58Second round.
12:59And I know you went through that earlier.
13:02Yes.
13:03You brought that up.
13:03I heard you get very upset at that fact, in fact.
13:09It's dumb.
13:10I agree.
13:12Let's leave it there.
13:13Like, you're not the NFL.
13:14No, don't worry.
13:15Exactly.
13:15Don't worry, Sonny.
13:16I'm going to be on my best behavior today.
13:18I appreciate that.
13:19You got it.
13:20Mark, you're listening to 95.7 The Game, KGMZ FM and HD1 San Francisco, an Odyssey
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13:35You know, it's even more laughable than the NBA having a two-day draft is the NHL.
13:41They have a two-day draft.
13:43And I'm sure you guys are locked in on when the NHL draft is.
13:46100%.
13:47Yep.
13:47It's on Christmas Day.
13:49It's actually Friday.
13:50Oh, okay.
13:51It's Friday.
13:52Christmas in July.
13:52Round one Friday, Sharks are picking second.
13:55And then rounds, I think, two through seven, all on Saturday.
13:58Damn.
13:59And one final hockey note.
14:01Sure.
14:01Congrats to Joe Thornton, Hockey Hall of Famer.
14:04I saw that.
14:04Announced today.
14:05Yeah.
14:05Pretty cool.
14:06So.
14:07It is funny how many, like all the other sports have watched the NFL draft become such a thing.
14:14And it's not even just like, okay, are you watching day two?
14:18Are you watching day three?
14:20Do you see how many people show up to this thing now?
14:23Remember the one in Nashville a couple years ago where the whole city just absolutely went bonkers.
14:29And so you're watching all of the other leagues are trying to rework their drafts.
14:34Major League Baseball now does a big television thing as to where that draft used to be a rumor.
14:38You had to like hear about it a lot.
14:40You had to like read about it a day or two later.
14:42And there were like 50 rounds not that many years ago.
14:46So it went on forever.
14:48And you just, you read about it.
14:50But they're all, they're all trying to catch the NFL.
14:52And what you said earlier, Stiney, is right.
14:54Which is, they're not going to.
14:56No, no, yeah, I forgot what I was going to say.
15:01When did they start moving it out of New York?
15:03Didn't it always used to be in New York City?
15:06Yes.
15:07Yeah.
15:07They used to have to find it on Street and Smith's magazine when it came out at the beginning of the season.
15:13I feel like it's been about five years now.
15:15I feel like at least.
15:16Because then we went through the whole COVID thing where they were like doing the draft from coaches' homes.
15:21That's right.
15:21Right.
15:22Bruce Arians out back in like.
15:24Belichick had his animal there.
15:27And McVay.
15:28And what's his name?
15:30The other, the guy who was with Arizona for a while.
15:33Was it Kingsbury?
15:34Cliff Kingsbury.
15:35Yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:36Stiney's boy.
15:37Yeah, these fancy dudes on their couches in their big L.A. homes.
15:40And everybody was like, ooh, look at these bachelors.
15:42Yep.
15:43Yeah, that was actually fun.
15:45Because that got weird.
15:46Like we got to learn a little something about the coaches.
15:48Right.
15:49And who they are in their off time.
15:51That was kind of fun.
15:54Markeith and Marcus Morris.
15:56Yep, yep.
15:57Somebody's saying Sabrina Ionescu has a twin?
16:00I think it's a twin brother.
16:02Here we go, Grant.
16:03Correct, Eddie.
16:04Eddie.
16:05Eddie.
16:06What does Eddie do?
16:08He played low-level collegiate basketball.
16:10Yeah.
16:10But didn't make it in the pros.
16:11Okay.
16:11Now, Grant, what's your definition?
16:12I think he played at the City College of San Francisco.
16:14That's not low-level.
16:15Okay, my mistake.
16:16Okay.
16:17I mean.
16:19Juco?
16:20Okay.
16:20Juco's not low-level.
16:21Jimmy Butler went to a Juco.
16:23Yeah.
16:24Did he?
16:24Yeah.
16:25Low-level does not mean there's nothing wrong with it.
16:27I don't like the term.
16:28I mean, if we're on 95-7 in the game, if we're talking about a two-year university,
16:35I think it's low-level.
16:37Like, we're the home of the Warriors, Snyder.
16:39Yeah.
16:40Yeah.
16:41Stop it.
16:42What?
16:43It's after two.
16:44This is our show now.
16:45Okay.
16:46We don't have to behave anymore.
16:48Well, before you run out the door.
16:49If you never reach that level, you can't call it low.
16:53How about that?
16:54Yeah, I kind of agree with that.
16:56Really?
16:57Well, we better just get these jobs up.
16:58Only because I played low-level baseball.
17:00Yeah, right.
17:01I was a low-level player, too.
17:02Yeah, low-level.
17:03I played very low-level basketball and baseball.
17:06How about that?
17:07It's all relative, right?
17:09Yeah, it's true.
17:09You know?
17:10It doesn't...
17:12Division III still counts.
17:14Yeah.
17:14Yeah, absolutely.
17:15He got drafted tomorrow.
17:18Gosh, I had something to say, and I can't think of it.
17:20Well, while you're thinking of it, I think you'll like this.
17:22A little bit of trivia, because I know you love trivia.
17:262003, LeBron James, number one overall.
17:30Who did the Warriors take in that draft?
17:32Stiney, with the 11th pick.
17:35Nemanja Nedevich.
17:37That is a hilarious guess.
17:40What year is it?
17:41What year was it?
17:422003.
17:432003.
17:44He was a little after that.
17:45Yeah.
17:46Let's go with...
17:47I'm going to go with 11th pick?
17:50Yeah.
17:51Yep.
17:52Oh, I have a guess, but I'm going to save it.
17:55The year before, they took Mike Dunleavy with the number three pick.
18:00And then the following year...
18:02That was Vontigo Cummings.
18:03Oh, no.
18:04Vontigo was way before that.
18:06Oh, that was way before that.
18:06The lower.
18:07Kalenna.
18:08Oh, no.
18:09I mean...
18:09Wow.
18:10So they had Dunleavy and...
18:11So they drafted Dunleavy, Murphy, Arenas.
18:14Richardson, Murphy, Arenas.
18:16Richardson.
18:17And then the next year, Dunleavy, Steve Logan.
18:20And then the following year, they took Derek Zimmerman in the second round.
18:25Gosh, I remember him.
18:26And then with the 11th pick, they took Michael Pietras.
18:30Oh, Air France!
18:32That's right.
18:32I liked him.
18:33That's right.
18:33He was good.
18:34You know the story about Steve Logan, don't you?
18:36Oh, he was Maryland, right?
18:38Yeah.
18:38No, Cincinnati.
18:39Yeah, yeah.
18:39So it was the, I guess the Warriors had the last pick in the draft, and I don't know why.
18:47But anyway, Minnesota had gotten docked.
18:50Remember Joe Smith, the illegal contract?
18:52Sure.
18:52So they took a pick away from Minnesota.
18:55So, oh, that's it.
18:55The Warriors had the first pick in the second round.
18:57Yep.
18:58And they picked Steve Logan.
19:00And his agent was like, yeah, we'll take that salary slot of the 30th in the first round,
19:06because it was the 30th overall pick.
19:08So give us that slotted one.
19:11And the Warriors were like, no, he's the first pick in the second round.
19:14He doesn't get a guaranteed contract.
19:17No, he was the 30th pick, which makes him a first.
19:20And he never played a game for the Warriors.
19:23He never did.
19:24Never played a game.
19:26That sounds...
19:27That sounds...
19:27Got traded.
19:28Never played.
19:28I don't know what happened, but...
19:30Never played in the association.
19:31I'm looking at it right here.
19:33That was Yao Ming, followed by...
19:36Mike Dunleavy.
19:36Jay Williams.
19:38Yeah.
19:38Motorcycle accident.
19:39Mike Dunleavy, who turned out to have a nice career.
19:42Like, if you take a step back and forget his years as a warrior, he ended up having, what,
19:46a 14-year career?
19:48He had a lot of longevity.
19:49Yeah.
19:4915 years, anyway.
19:50That sounds very Warriors at that time.
19:54That was...
19:54Even though, I guess you could make the case they were proven right.
19:58I feel like most people think about him as an underachiever, though.
20:01Steve Logan?
20:01No, Dunleavy.
20:03Yes.
20:03Well, that's through no...
20:05You know, that was because he was the third pick in the draft.
20:08Yeah.
20:08Yeah, and he was an accomplished college player.
20:10But if you...
20:11Yeah.
20:11I mean, the problem was, is back then, anytime anybody came like, oh, he could be Bird.
20:18He's not Bird.
20:19Right.
20:19But Dunleavy, if you look, do you have that draft up?
20:25Yeah.
20:25Oh, yeah.
20:26Dunleavy wasn't a great pick, but I seem to remember the only guy who really was Karan
20:31Butler, who was picked at 10.
20:33Do you remember he fell?
20:35But who drafted after Dunleavy?
20:37It's not going to be a who's who of all-stars.
20:39Nene.
20:40Nene Hilario.
20:41He was all right.
20:42Good play.
20:4317 years.
20:44I mean, good, long career.
20:45Amari Stoudemire.
20:47Oh, boy.
20:47Shout out to Michael Fracture.
20:49He was the ninth pick, I believe.
20:51Yes, he was.
20:52And then Karan Butler, you mentioned.
20:54And then Bostjan Nachbar.
20:57Played briefly for the Rockets.
20:58Yiri Welsh.
21:00Former Warrior.
21:01Juan Dixon.
21:03Marilyn Terrapin.
21:05Kareem Rush, former Warrior.
21:07Missouri.
21:08Number 20.
21:10Quintel Woods out of Northeast Mississippi.
21:12He was a high school.
21:13Community College.
21:14High school player.
21:15Tayshaun Prince.
21:16That's low level.
21:17Yeah.
21:17Well done.
21:20Dan Dickow.
21:22Went 28.
21:23Yeah.
21:23And then you get to Logan first pick in the second round.
21:27That was compelling, right?
21:29Yes.
21:29I mean, it's fun.
21:30I think it's so much fun.
21:32Yeah.
21:33And the one thing that I like about the NBA draft is, even if your team's not picking in
21:38the first round and ours is not, every single pick will be traded.
21:41Other than the first pick, you would imagine that Ace's brother goes to Dallas and they don't
21:47trade him, but every other pick, it seems like it's a pick and trade or a trade, then
21:52a pick.
21:52So it's at least kind of fun to follow that.
21:54Well, except for it's a trade, like I love trades that are two sentences or less.
22:02Honestly, like on draft day, you get trades where I can't get to the end of them before
22:08I get bored.
22:08And I'm like, I don't want to read about this anymore.
22:12I don't want to know who got the draft rights to somebody overseas, and then this will be
22:19protected eight years from now when we don't even know if we're going to be alive.
22:23Like, I hate those trades.
22:26I'm appreciative of the NBA trades so far.
22:28I understand them.
22:30I get them.
22:31No, they'll be the over-under on trades that you will not have heard of the next day is
22:37about three and a half.
22:38Exactly.
22:40Exactly.
22:40And then the names you don't recognize at all is going to be like two and a half.
22:46Trades are like coffee orders at Starbucks.
22:49You get like five or six words.
22:51And then if you're still talking, you need to get out of the way because somebody behind
22:55you just wants an iced coffee.
22:57That's it.
22:58Two words.
22:58Iced coffee.
22:59Please.
23:00Frap a mocha with the double flip whip.
23:03Like, get out of the damn way.
23:05Somebody else knows what they want.
23:08That's all.
23:08Yeah.
23:08That's got to be a Larry David, I would think.
23:10Probably.
23:11No doubt.
23:12Do you guys not like, it's funny when you're talking about the Warriors kind of, I guess,
23:16low-balling their draft pick, Steve Logan, years ago.
23:20It brought to mind this thing that I just saw, and I guess it came out on the Pablo Torrey
23:26podcast, but it's basically, it's evidence in an NFL hearing that's ongoing about collusion.
23:36I heard about it.
23:37And quarterback contracts.
23:38Does this bother anybody?
23:40Listen to this exchange.
23:41This comes from two of America's great sports owners texting one another.
23:46One of them is Michael Bidwell of the Arizona Cardinals.
23:50Wow.
23:50And the other one is Dean Spanos of the San Diego slash L.A. Chargers.
23:56I know where this is going.
23:57Holy crap.
23:58I mean.
24:00A couple of big spenders, those two.
24:01Oh, boy.
24:02They love.
24:02They love doling it out.
24:04All right.
24:05So this is right after the Cardinals signed Kyler Murray to that contract that he currently
24:12has.
24:13Remember all the controversy about that, all the language and everything.
24:15Call of Duty Kyler.
24:16Right.
24:16So Spanos texts Bidwell and writes, congratulations on signing Murray.
24:22Bidwell hits him back.
24:24Thanks, Dino.
24:26These QB deals are expensive, but we limited the fully guaranteed money and have some pretty
24:33good language.
24:34Thankfully, we have a QB that's worth paying.
24:38Spanos, your deal helps us for our QB next year.
24:44Herbert.
24:45Bidwell, I think many teams will be happy with it once they have a chance to review.
24:50Cleveland really screwed things up, but I was resolved to keep the guaranteed money relatively
24:56air quotes low.
24:59How does it grab everybody?
25:01It's a business, Mark.
25:04It is.
25:05But neither of these gentlemen are that smart to have this be out there with a paper trail
25:11because that is collusion, essentially.
25:13That is you working together to celebrate how you were able to keep a contract down and
25:18how Cleveland is so dumb.
25:20It just, it strikes me that way.
25:22But these types of things, they happen every day, I would imagine, from these owners.
25:27But these two just got caught.
25:28But, I mean, it's the Chargers.
25:32Yeah, Evan knows all about that.
25:34It doesn't shock me at all to hear that, but it's just kind of the way things work.
25:38Like, that's why they're owners.
25:40Their job is to suppress the wages of everyone else around them to make sure they make the
25:44most money possible.
25:45That's the way that I feel like most sports owners operate.
25:47So, to hear them admit it to one another, they could have done it over text.
25:52They'd probably do it on their yachts.
25:53They'd do it in their owner's boxes and its suites.
25:56Like, it is damning, but it is not shocking, I guess.
26:01I don't know.
26:02It's funny.
26:02Like, when you define what an owner's job is, what goes through my mind is, hasn't it
26:08already been proven that that doesn't work?
26:11Like, why would you do it that way?
26:13I would argue, in fact, it's the reverse that makes the value of your franchise go up.
26:21The valuations for the WNBA came out today.
26:24Guess who's the number one valuated team in the entire league?
26:27Of course.
26:28And so, now Joe Lacob has the highest price WNBA team and the highest price NBA team,
26:34and he's been accused of winning checkbook championships.
26:37So, like, suppressing salaries is not the way.
26:42That's not how you make the most money.
26:44Well, not unless you get every single team to buy into that.
26:48I think it's very odd that that'd be the first thing that goes through an owner's mind.
26:52Thanks, Dino.
26:53Boy, these are expensive.
26:55Expensive?
26:55Is this chump change for you?
26:59I mean, we were doing a little of this today with Lynch and Posey and Dunleavy,
27:06and we straggled a little bit into front office and ownership.
27:10I think, by and large, we have pretty good owners here in the Bay Area, don't we?
27:13Yeah, we do.
27:14And maybe we'll sign on.
27:15Jed York has certainly improved his standing with people.
27:20Yeah, until they go 6-11 again next year.
27:23And we've got a problem, Mark.
27:24The Giants ownership did not have my trust until a week ago.
27:29Current Giants ownership, I think, had a lot of questions.
27:33But that helped last week.
27:35And Posey's on the board.
27:37Hey.
27:39Posey's set up a culture in 11 months?
27:44Yeah.
27:45Something like that.
27:46There you go.
27:47All right, Chance.
27:48That's going to do it.
27:49Yeah, thanks for staying.
27:51I'll punch the overtime clock today.
27:53Our show's almost over.
27:54On 95-7.
27:55The game.