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One Night in Idaho The College Murders Season 1 Episode 2
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00:00Four University of Idaho students were found dead in an off-campus house yesterday morning.
00:14No suspect. There's nobody in custody right now.
00:17Classes for University of Idaho students are canceled for the day.
00:20They say they will resume...
00:21All I know is we are not safe here.
00:24We got to go as far away from Moscow as possible.
00:30Kids were just piling out of that place as fast as they could get out.
00:35I've never felt fear like that in my life.
00:37I pulled all my guns, hid them around the house.
00:41If it could happen to them, it could happen to anyone.
00:45At this point, police have only said that they do not have anyone in custody.
00:49Driving back home, same things kept playing over in my head.
00:54Why would something like this happen?
00:55What if the person that gets arrested is actually one of our own?
01:02Scott and I were in our own little world of grief.
01:20Not to know whether we should be crying or screaming or mad.
01:30Just all those emotions.
01:31You don't know what to do.
01:33And it was every moment of just being on pins and needles.
01:44Because you have no idea why they would hurt these children.
01:49Why they would hurt my child.
01:52Like, I mean, I don't have enemies in life.
01:57So I'm like, so you're just stretching your imagination to think of anything at any time.
02:04Like, why, how does this make any sense?
02:08Somebody could do this outrageous act.
02:11Something like that is made up.
02:19It's supposed to be a horror movie or something like that.
02:22This was real life.
02:27Somewhere in the back of your mind, you're like, are they stalking us?
02:29And every time I heard a sound, anytime I heard a twig breaking, I absolutely tore the sense of peace and security out of our lives.
02:59Every single night, I'd walk around the house and I'd make sure every door's locked probably three different times.
03:04Just because I was so scared to go to bed.
03:08It was just silence.
03:11Because such a big member of our family just wasn't there anymore.
03:18And we slept, laid in bed, cried.
03:21Many, many, many, many mornings of getting up and crying in your coffee.
03:39You know, you're just really questioning how you got to where you were.
03:43How did this happen to our kid?
03:44Somebody that we have spent a lifetime raising.
03:49The phone was ringing.
03:50Our family members were calling.
03:53I mean, just nobody knew what to do.
03:56I mean, you're making plans and you're, you know, it happens just so quickly.
04:01And, you know, it was insane.
04:06The Moscow Police Department called us every day and updated us on what they could, which wasn't a lot of information.
04:14And then you have to handle the kids, which is tough.
04:16Hunter Johnson and Emily Elant showed up.
04:21Ethan and Zanna's best friends.
04:25Stacy and Jim invited us to the cabin.
04:30And honestly, I, the Chapins are unbelievable.
04:34I just got to, like, be with them and, like, escape.
04:37I think I shut off and tried to push it away as much as possible.
04:48I think that we went to support them and they, Stacy, supported us.
04:54We just sat.
04:56We just sat and talked through, you know, what had happened.
05:03We started thinking about the day before they were killed.
05:08We started putting our brains together on where everybody was at, what everyone was doing.
05:14In the morning, there was a get-together shindig at Zanna's house.
05:24Zanna football this Saturday!
05:27Zanna was calling me, come over, come over, come over.
05:29So, I was at Zanna's in the morning to pregame.
05:33It was our core friend group.
05:34Like, it was Ethan, Zanna.
05:36It was Dylan.
05:37It was Bethany.
05:39Maddie.
05:39It was Kayla.
05:40Like, everyone who lived there was there.
05:42The party just lasted all day.
05:45I was really drunk, if I'm going to be honest.
05:47But I left my phone there.
05:49And Dylan and Maddie both took pictures on my phone of themselves, like a million of them.
05:57We took pictures outside because we were all dressed up for game day.
06:02That's when they took that picture.
06:05Kaylee texted me with the picture of Maddie on her shoulders.
06:09That picture that everyone in the media has seen.
06:12And just loving this amazing, happy moment.
06:17That weekend, I called Maddie.
06:19And she put me on FaceTime.
06:21And then I was having a conversation with all of them.
06:24And then Zanna and Ethan left to go to the game.
06:28I think the last thing we said to each other was, I love you, bye.
06:30And gave a hug.
06:32And that was the last time I saw them.
06:33Saturday, November 12th, it was a fall formal at Maisie's sorority.
06:44And it was great because our kids were together.
06:47I don't usually invite anybody to formals, but some of Ethan's friends were going.
06:51And he wasn't going.
06:54So I was like, okay, you can just be my day.
06:57That was super fun.
06:59As a parent, when your kids are off at college, you check your life 360 and see if everybody's home so that you can sleep well.
07:07It just was a feel-good, like, oh, I don't have to worry about the kids tonight.
07:11We left at like 9, and everybody went back to say we're high.
07:15And for some reason, I stayed and went to bed.
07:21Ethan kept texting me, Maisie, come hang out.
07:26I went to sleep, so I wasn't responding to any of them.
07:29Last one said, I love you.
07:34Which was also weird because we don't say that to each other.
07:41Yeah.
07:45After Maisie's formal, we had a party of Sigma Chi, which we called him Lodge Party.
07:58Went up to the party, and then partied for a bit.
08:02I don't know who was at Sigma Chi, because I didn't make it, because I went to bed at 9.
08:16I was like, oh, there'll be another party.
08:18Like, there's always another party.
08:25Me, Ethan, and Zanna were in my room in the fraternity.
08:28And then they went back to Zanna's house.
08:32On the night of November 12th, I was a sober bro.
08:37I volunteered to be sober that night so that anybody who needed a ride anywhere could get one.
08:43I was just kind of popping in and out of different locations, seeing if anybody needed anything.
08:48The last time I saw Zanna, she was on her way out of Sigma Chi.
08:55And she was like, you never come hang out at my place, you've got to come over more often.
08:59That was one of my biggest regrets.
09:02I never got the chance to, just because of the way I took it for granted.
09:06We knew that Kaylee and Maddie were at the Corner Club, which is pretty much our only bar in Moscow.
09:14We knew that they were coming home late.
09:18Was there anybody random at the Corner Club that we didn't know?
09:23Was anybody targeted at the Sigma Chi party?
09:27We just wanted to know, like, who did this?
09:30Like, why did this happen?
09:31I write for the student newspaper for University of Idaho.
09:44A lot of students weren't feeling safe.
09:48And because I'm local, because I personally knew Zanna since elementary school,
09:55I got the sense of the gravity behind the tragedy, where a lot of news people kind of lose their humanity around things like this,
10:10because, you know, it's just another story.
10:14These four people touched so many students, and so many people knew them.
10:19This is Northwest Public Broadcasting.
10:24Today we have Lauren Patterson here in the studio to talk about what has happened in the Moscow homicides case.
10:30Welcome, Lauren.
10:31Thanks for having me.
10:33I'm one of two reporters for Northwest Public Broadcasting that covers stories in North Idaho.
10:40I actually had never reported on a crime before, until this happened.
10:44We focus a lot on arts and culture stories or agricultural policy, because the crime rate is low.
10:51As a local, as a Moscow resident, as a University of Idaho alumni, I wanted to get answers for the community.
11:01Monday morning, all that we knew by that point was that four people were dead.
11:07I mean, people were panicking.
11:08People were really fearful.
11:09I was the reporter on scene for the spokesman interview.
11:16I cover a lot of court cases and crime.
11:20My first instinct was to get into town and see the house, and then to call the police to see what they could tell me.
11:30I get there.
11:32There's crime scene tape in front of the house, other reporters there, and we all have questions.
11:38Who are these students?
11:39What happened?
11:40How did they die?
11:43Among us reporters, we were trying to think through all the possibilities.
11:48Who can we call?
11:49Who is going to give us information?
11:53That first day, Moscow police put out a statement.
11:55But there was very little information.
11:59On Tuesday, I was finally able to get a hold of police, and I started asking some questions.
12:05And they said, you're going to have to refer to our statement.
12:07And I said, so you're not taking questions?
12:10And he said, no, we're taking questions.
12:12And I said, but you're just not answering them.
12:14In larger police departments, you have a public information officer who's assigned to talk to the press.
12:22In Moscow, nothing like this ever happens.
12:26So they just assigned it to one of the cops.
12:30I'm like, look, we've got to know what's going on.
12:32Can I come down?
12:33Can I do an interview?
12:33And he's like, oh, well, we're not doing interviews with the press.
12:37I was shocked.
12:38I was like, how could they not tell us what's going on?
12:40We were getting such little information that it created this chasm where rumors and speculation just started to fill the silence from the police department.
12:58Students told other students, and then that filtered in through the town.
13:04People start texting and talking.
13:07And like, oh, my gosh, did you hear?
13:08What's going on?
13:11What happened?
13:13I had previously lived in the King Road house.
13:16And a lot of people were saying that it was the party house.
13:21That it was just an open door policy.
13:23People could just walk in and out.
13:25I think that's absolutely not true.
13:27That house was a safe space for us.
13:29People think that it was a drug house and that they got murdered because of drugs.
13:33And I'm like, what?
13:33People said they were doing drugs out of there, like selling drugs out of there.
13:37So it was a drug dealer that came.
13:39Like, we didn't do drugs.
13:40I was hearing rumors like maybe it was someone who was just in town for the game that weekend.
13:46There was rumors of a robbery gone wrong.
13:48That Ethan brought drugs to the house and they'd all overdosed.
13:51At one point, we were like, okay, Maisie and Hunter, be straight with us.
13:56Is there something that you know about your brother that's going to come forward here that we don't know that we need to know?
14:02And they were like, nope.
14:03No.
14:03There were people we knew, so we were like, that's not possible, that's not possible, that's not possible.
14:09Pretty quickly, there were dozens of reporters in Moscow.
14:15I got here on Sunday, the day after the attack, and there was just local media.
14:23And by Tuesday, there was dozens of people from all over the country.
14:27I mean, there were national media outlets here before there was even a press conference, before we knew anything about how they died.
14:36According to residents in Moscow, some people related to the case have been harassed and even followed home by national correspondents.
14:45It was like, hey, I'm so-and-so from the New York Times.
14:47I'm from CNN.
14:48I'm from MSNBC.
14:49I'm just like, why are they here?
14:51Why do they care what's going on in Moscow, Idaho?
14:54It was just a media circus.
14:56Does anyone know where they were during that timeline?
14:58Like, there's still this big chunk where...
15:00As of right now, we've told Moscow PD, Idaho State Police, and the FBI all we know.
15:07But that's all I really want to talk about right now, because I actually have class here in, like, 15 minutes.
15:11Reporters trying to reach out to friends, like, a week after their friends or family had died.
15:19And then they started, like, going after the victims' families.
15:24And my phone just kept going off.
15:26And it was all these weird phone numbers.
15:30And I mean, there must have been six or eight calls within 15 minutes.
15:34Everybody. You name it.
15:35I mean, there were people that slid into the kids' DMs on their social media.
15:40I probably had 20 calls a day from the top news reporters in the nation.
15:45I got out to check the mail, and I made it halfway across the street, and two people got out of this car.
15:55And they were like, ma'am, they didn't know my name, which was enough of an insult.
16:01They were like, ma'am, ma'am, can we talk about this situation?
16:04And I just ran to the door.
16:08I'm like, I don't want to talk to you.
16:11Just out of control.
16:13We were just rattled.
16:15Just unnerved.
16:16We were afraid to leave the house.
16:18They wanted to have an interview.
16:20They wanted us to be on immediately.
16:21Well, we didn't know anything.
16:23I mean, and you really don't want to talk to anybody.
16:26I mean, you can't even make sense of it in your own head.
16:30Why would you try to explain it to somebody else?
16:33It's like, okay, you don't need to use me to get views for your news station.
16:44I don't know.
16:45That whole stuff kind of pissed me off a little bit.
16:49I'm a mom.
16:50We have a simple life.
16:52To all of a sudden be thrown into the spotlight.
16:56It just felt very much like my quiet private house was now the nation's attention.
17:06Terrifying.
17:07The University of Idaho has been shaken up by the deaths of four students.
17:11There's still no suspect in custody and more questions than answers.
17:14The lack of official information from police is leading to a lot of fear on campus.
17:19Parents are calling angry, wanting some answers.
17:26I've been in higher education for coming on 30 years now.
17:31You never get trained for something like this.
17:33You're never prepared.
17:35But this crime in particular, the nature of it,
17:39really struck at the core horror of what people think and worry about.
17:44In Moscow, major crime does not happen.
17:47It just doesn't.
17:48The last time Moscow had any kind of a homicide was seven or eight years prior.
17:55So our police plan for talking with the public about major crimes was woefully deficient.
18:04We had no plan.
18:06For the first three days, it was the mayor trying to talk with the news media about what went on.
18:13I feel very badly for the victims and everybody else who's a friend and associate with those people.
18:21This is stuff that shouldn't happen, especially in a small, quiet town like Moscow is.
18:25I don't know how I got to be the pointy guy for the media, but that's part of the mayor's job, I suppose,
18:32even when you don't have any information to relay.
18:36Mayor, how do you know this was an isolated incident?
18:39The police have been doing their work.
18:41They believe this was a singular targeted incident and no one else is in any jeopardy.
18:49How do they know that?
18:50Because there's a killer of these four individuals who is out there somewhere, correct?
18:56Yeah.
18:57We are two full days after this horrific incident just off campus and still no news conference from the police.
19:03I don't think any of these people are being malicious.
19:09They've never had to deal with anything like this in their lives.
19:12And, you know, I don't know how you could be prepared in such a small town for this level of crime and for this level of attention.
19:21It's been three days.
19:23Get me off the stage.
19:25Put a badge behind a microphone, please.
19:29My name is Chief James Fry with the Moscow Police Department.
19:43I'm going to be reading from my notes today because I want the information you received to be extremely accurate.
19:49We know you have questions, and so do we.
19:52The Moscow Police Department would like to extend our condolences to all family members, friends, the University of Idaho, and the Moscow community.
20:03I probably should have been standing here a day or so ago, but I'm here now.
20:07We're going to continue to be here.
20:08We're going to continue to give you the information we can.
20:11We care about this community.
20:12I care about this community.
20:13We know that these homicides occurred in the early morning hours of Sunday, November 13th, inside the residence on King Road.
20:29The four were stabbed with a knife, but no weapon has been located at this time.
20:34The Moscow Police confirmed that these were homicides and the manner of death was stabbing.
20:40And a stabbing is a very intimate crime, so there's something especially egregious and sinister about the way this was done.
20:50I got a phone call from the officer, and he said, well, the only thing that we know this far that we can tell you is that it was with a sharp object.
20:58Which, of course, you know what that means.
21:06I'm like, so you're saying, you're saying they were stabbed?
21:13I paint this picture of what I thought, what I feel like that morning looked like inside that house.
21:20And it's unfortunate because every time I close my eyes, I see that image.
21:25I see the blood dripping outside of the house.
21:27It's just so horrible to think about, and especially in that way, and how much I know that they suffered.
21:45That really hurt, you know.
21:47It's like, who the hell is this psychopath, you know, to do that?
21:56There's still a person out there who committed four horrible, horrible crimes.
21:59So I think we've got to go back to, there is a threat out there still, possibly.
22:06We don't know.
22:07We don't believe it's going to be to anybody else.
22:10But we all have to be aware of our surroundings and make sure that we're watching out for each other.
22:15I'm going to open it up to some questions that I'm sure you have, and we'll do the best we can to answer those for you.
22:22I'm Emma Efferley with the Spokes Interview.
22:24Hi.
22:25So there were other roommates who lived at that residence.
22:28Were the roommates home at the time of the attack?
22:30There was other people home at that time, but we're not just focusing just on them.
22:36We're focusing on everybody that may be coming and going from that residence.
22:40So since they were home, was it a hostage situation?
22:44No, it was not.
22:45Just to follow up on what she asked, so you have surviving witnesses to an incident at 3 or 4 in the morning and the 911 call didn't come until noon?
22:53I don't think I ever said that they were witnesses.
22:55I said they were there.
22:57We don't know why that call came in at noon.
22:59That's why we're investigating everything still to try to pull all the pieces together.
23:03And are you able to tell whether the same weapon was used on all four victims?
23:07You know the autopsy will confirm that and hopefully collect some evidence for us.
23:11That's why you do the autopsies is to try to be thorough and try to gather more.
23:16So we'll leave that.
23:18That would probably be something that would come out later.
23:21Thank you again for coming.
23:22That's going to be all the questions we take at this time.
23:24We want to reassure the community that the Moscow Police Department and everybody working on this will do everything we can to solve this.
23:41We're just getting some breaking news in the case of those four college students who were murdered in Idaho.
23:49The autopsy report was just released and reveals that the killer likely used the same large knife to attack all four students.
23:57CBS spoke with the coroner who says the nature of the crime seems personal.
24:01There was a lot of blood.
24:03You know it's a very sad scene.
24:05Were the deceased all in close proximity to each other or were they in different rooms?
24:10Um I don't know that I can discuss that.
24:17We're like do we know the person?
24:20This would cause a lot of stress for us if we did know the person.
24:25We started monitoring social media.
24:27We put all of our knowledge together to try to figure out who did it and why.
24:36And then someone sent me the Grub Truck video.
24:41If you've ever been out on Moscow's main street past 10 o'clock on any given night, you've probably seen this yellow truck.
24:49Grub Truck is the only food source open in Moscow past I think midnight.
24:55They live feed everything.
24:56And you can watch the live feed just if you're bored.
25:00Hello.
25:01Hi.
25:01Hi.
25:02I think I would like the um.
25:05And people found this little segment where Maddie and Kaylee were ordering in the early morning hours of November 13.
25:13In the video you can see Kaylee and Maddie ordered their food.
25:18There are quite a few people kind of milling around.
25:20And there's a man in a hoodie that's kind of behind them.
25:24Also seems to be waiting for food.
25:26The girls take their food and they leave.
25:30And he's seen on camera kind of going in the same direction.
25:33I just remember watching that video and being like, that guy looks really suspicious.
25:41And then this footage goes viral.
25:44The county prosecutor and police say they're combing through the video, trying to identify people with whom they may have come in contact.
25:50There were thousands of posts on TikTok and Twitter.
25:54One of the first people that caught my attention is the guy in the food truck video with the hoodie.
26:00I do think it could have been the food truck guy.
26:02At the food truck, Maddie at some point says F you to him.
26:06You can tell these girls, they didn't want nothing to do with this guy.
26:10We're like, we know who that is.
26:12That's a familiar face.
26:14Why is he being so sass?
26:17He was part of Greek life at University of Idaho.
26:21My boyfriend knew him.
26:24We were like, oh, could he have done it?
26:26Like, going through what we know about him.
26:29I remember calling the police and being like, I'm giving you this information to use if you need it.
26:34And then the case really spread in the true crime community.
26:39People were able to find his identity pretty quickly and started naming him publicly.
26:48This guy had been bumping into Kaylee in public a lot.
26:52Allegedly, he actually knew the girls.
26:56There's video surveillance showing Maddie and Kaylee in the Corner Club bar the night that they were murdered.
27:01You can see the hoodie guy standing near the girls.
27:05Facebook groups are popping up.
27:06Reddit groups are popping up.
27:08TikTokers.
27:09People are just going nuts trying to solve this crime while the police are doing the investigation.
27:16The fraternity where Zanna and Madison were members of.
27:22The non-professional journalists, they're not media.
27:25They're just looky-loos trying to gather information to tell a story that they think is relevant for them.
27:31There was like YouTubers, like sleuths, that would like go through the entire case.
27:36How long would it take to get those records?
27:40They threw ethics out the window.
27:42They like dressed up as students and went into the dorms to try and find information.
27:49See this?
27:49They got a hold of so many pictures and videos on social media.
27:55We all posted our lives together.
27:58Pictures hanging out, pictures at that house.
28:00There's usually not that many pictures of a crime scene on social media.
28:05So here's the living room.
28:07And we're going to go into Zanna's bedroom.
28:11I was pretty bad about it.
28:12I was on my TikTok for like hours every day.
28:15Like looking at everything.
28:18There is only one spot in that backyard that is dark enough that somebody could have gotten into.
28:24And the spot was that window that's missing the screen and had the cinder block underneath it.
28:31That was crazy.
28:32I think I was still in like denial.
28:34But like seeing everything all over social media.
28:39That was, that was hard.
28:41There was one particular guy.
28:45He started making YouTube videos and he started showing up places.
28:50Who is that guy?
28:53Who is that guy?
28:54I'm just going to answer the door.
28:57We had students going into hiding as a result of that incessant hounding from these horrible people
29:03that were just trying to do it for their own gain and benefit.
29:05I'm here.
29:13They have the EX.
29:15A lot of people are saying symbolism with Ethan and Zanna.
29:22Sigma Chi.
29:23There was rumors about one of the Sigma Chis could have done it.
29:27Like followed them home from the Sigma Chi party.
29:30That was happening that night.
29:31And I think people had targeted me specifically because I did have a lot of kind of public information
29:40out there on social media.
29:41My Facebook and my TikTok.
29:44It came like a freight train out of nowhere.
29:47My Facebook inbox was full.
29:49It was the worst, most heinous things I have ever read.
29:51People said I had conspired to commit this murder from high school.
29:59Somebody had sent a photo of my house.
30:04The cars that we drove.
30:05The places of employment of my parents.
30:08Now people know my address and saying I have something to do with it.
30:12I was once again fearing for my life, but for a completely different reason.
30:17We're talking the Idaho 4 case.
30:20We're talking about a potential mystery man that was at the house twice.
30:26YouTubers?
30:27I don't know.
30:28We got a lot of noise complaints at Zanna's house.
30:30So there was a police video of Hunter Johnson going to the door.
30:34He had some zip ties around his wrist.
30:38What do you guys think?
30:39A lot of people have just suggested it's like a drinking game.
30:42If you guys know who this gentleman is, please hit us up.
30:45Wrist tie guy.
30:48That was my name there for a little bit.
30:50We play a game called Champagne and Shackles.
30:53You zip tie together until each of you finish your champagne ultimately.
30:59That's how it all began.
31:00Sources are claiming that Ethan Chapin's best friend who was there and preventing the other friends from entering the room.
31:08He checked Ethan's pulse and he was the one to call 911.
31:11There was a lot of people commenting on social media.
31:19Just like, I know what you did.
31:21Like, we're going to come find you.
31:23Found some stuff about H.J.
31:25And then this Emily girl.
31:27Ooh, these friends, conspiracy, blah, blah, blah.
31:30And it's got like five million likes.
31:32And we were getting death threats daily.
31:36It felt like a movie.
31:38People were thinking that we were murderers.
31:40I've always tried to be a tough kid.
31:45Super tough.
31:47And I think in the moment, I battled with a little bit of anxiety and depression, which I've never had before.
31:55I had some panic attacks.
31:56And I think that it's because I didn't let any of my emotions out ever.
32:02And I think my body was just doing it for me.
32:08I lost a best friend.
32:11People thought I killed him.
32:14That was really depressing for me.
32:17That I would even do that to any of those people that I was friends with, I thought was pretty sad, but.
32:29We were just also so scared still.
32:31And then we were getting people that were like, we will find you.
32:34And it's like, you probably will.
32:37Like, you know, like, this is going to be a problem.
32:41It wasn't only us.
32:43Dylan and Bethany were getting blamed for everything.
32:48Dylan and Bethany were completely slandered on the internet.
32:52You mean to tell me that Dylan, she didn't hear someone walking up and down those stairs?
32:59It really is bizarre that they just slept through this.
33:08Dylan and Bethany's gotten a lot of hate.
33:12Attacked online.
33:14Brutally.
33:15And they don't deserve it at all.
33:19I just don't think people should be saying anything when they don't know because they weren't there and they didn't do anything.
33:27There's so many people out there that start a theory with close relationships.
33:35That's an easy way to go about any theory is to find who they're close to.
33:40And people always suspect the boyfriend.
33:43Mattie had a boyfriend, Jake.
33:48Jake would come to the house.
33:49And he was talking about how his social media was being attacked.
33:56He was actively being harassed online as the suspect.
34:01I felt bad.
34:01I felt bad.
34:03That poor kid.
34:05And he came over to our house and he'd stay there because he felt safer.
34:10In case anybody, you know, wanted to try to pull something.
34:15Jake was not in Moscow the night that it happened.
34:19He was in Boise.
34:20So any of those rumors that he was involved were ridiculous.
34:24It was happening to Kaylee's boyfriend, Jack, as well.
34:29It was being stalked reporters outside of his house.
34:32It was just, it was ridiculous.
34:33It was hard to read things or hear things about Jack because obviously we know who he is.
34:39And that was obviously not the case in any way possible.
34:43I think it was also hard because when it came to Kaylee, like, she thought the best of Jack.
34:49Like, she looked at Jack and just knew how great of a person he was.
34:53And so I think to think about her hearing these things was super hard.
34:58We were all scared that we were being stalked, even if we didn't realize we were.
35:04By social media sleuths, people trying to get any bit of information that they could create a story out of.
35:22Good afternoon.
35:23I want to address several areas of speculation, conjecture, and misinformation that has circulated on social media platforms and otherwise.
35:36We do not believe the following individuals are involved in this crime.
35:42The two surviving roommates.
35:43You know, they're not addressing every rumor, but they're clearing suspects publicly.
36:05And the community, in part because of the speculation online, was grateful that police were clearing these people who were being targeted or doxed online.
36:16So many people close to this dropped out of school, deleted social media, quit their jobs because they were getting so harassed by the onslaught of attention and sleuthing.
36:26It's so terrible, and people don't understand that what they do online has real-life consequences for the people involved in this.
36:33There was some frustration that all police were saying is, this is who didn't do it, but weren't providing many details on their investigation or what was actually happening.
36:44Do you guys have any idea if the killer's still within the community in terms of their physical location?
36:48I can't say if the person's here. I can't say what community the person's in.
36:52Do you look in Washington at all, I guess, for...
36:54We're looking everywhere.
36:56How does one individual kill four people at night and not wake up the other two roommates?
37:02I cannot disclose any of that information. I don't even know that information at this point in time, and that's why we're continuing to investigate.
37:09You've said that this was a targeted attack. Why not tell the public who was targeted to alleviate some of the fears out there in the community?
37:21Well, first and foremost, we don't want to put our investigation in jeopardy by releasing what we have.
37:28We've told the public very clearly from the beginning that we believe it was a targeted attack.
37:32I mean, to be honest, you're going to have to trust us on that at this point, because we're not going to release why we think that.
37:52After Thanksgiving break, we had a lot of family members saying, you should just cancel the semester. I want my student home.
38:02My parents didn't necessarily want me to come back immediately, so I just decided to do that semester at home, because it seemed like the better option.
38:14We had talked about trying to mourn as a community, and so we coordinated a vigil on November 30th.
38:23But there were folks fearful of going out.
38:25I mean, how do you reassure someone things are going to be okay when someone's out there walking around that committed this horrific crime?
38:41We didn't attend the vigil.
38:44We just didn't want to go down there and be around that many people.
38:49From a safety standpoint, Chief Fry was worried, understandably so, that the individual that had done this might look to take steps and do something else.
39:03When you walked in, security was really tight.
39:08They had cops at every entrance.
39:11Rumors were flying, oh, he's going to bring a gun.
39:13Whoever did this is going to come to the vigil and maybe stir things up.
39:19We had easily 30 un-uniformed officers, just to kind of blend in with the crowd.
39:27They were like, yeah, we need a FBI agent to follow you.
39:31And she did not leave eyesight with me.
39:33We don't know how long this investigation will take, and we don't know the why behind this horrific act.
39:41But what we do know is we will all go through this together.
39:48My name is Stacey Chapin.
39:50I'm Ethan's mom.
39:52The circumstances that bring us here tonight, they're terrible.
40:00The hardest part, we cannot change the outcome.
40:07The most important message that we have for you and your families
40:10is to make sure that you spend as much time as possible with those people,
40:16because time is precious and it's something you can't get back.
40:22So we're going to have a moment of silence.
40:24You turn on your electronic candles if you have them.
40:33You don't know where that person was.
40:37He could be anywhere, right?
40:39Zanna Kurnodal.
40:44Ethan Chapin.
40:45A lot of students are left wondering.
41:10The killer is still out there, but were they at the vigil standing alongside other students here tonight?
41:16A lot of locals at that point were saying,
41:18I'm really worried this case is going to go cold.
41:22This case has got me so confused.
41:27The police has ruled out everybody.
41:29The roommates, the food truck guy.
41:32They literally have no suspects.
41:34They don't have the murder weapon.
41:36We need answers now.
41:37It was late.
41:41And it was interesting that the phone was ringing at that point at night.
41:45I picked up her phone.
41:47I go, oh, you need to come hear of us.
41:52It was after 11 o'clock.
41:54I was already in bed.
41:56And the officer said,
41:59don't tell anyone.
42:01But we have the suspect in custody.
42:07We'll see you next time.
42:09or
42:10we're in bed.
42:11We'll see you next time.
42:12Bye.
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