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One Night in Idaho The College Murders Season 1 Episode 3
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00:00It had been a month and a half since the killings occurred.
00:20I get up and I have like multiple missed calls.
00:24My supervisor, she's like, they're having a press conference.
00:27What do you think it means?
00:27I said, they got someone.
00:30At this point, the case took off to a whole new level.
00:34The FBI took a suspect into custody.
00:37It is a man in his 20s, but beyond that, there are very few details.
00:42When I was getting ready to board a plane, I heard a person say they made an arrest.
00:47I said, wait, excuse me, they made an arrest?
00:49This arrest happened thousands of miles away from that horrific crime scene.
00:54We tried our best to speculate, but we didn't come close.
00:58So many questions still unanswered.
01:00What connects this suspect to the victims?
01:03Any theory that I even had was just thrown out the door.
01:06This is a new name and a new face in the investigation.
01:10We are getting our first look at the man arrested for the murders of four years.
01:13First time we saw the individual, we were just like, who is this?
01:18Why did he do this?
01:19I just didn't even think about the possibility that it could have been a random person.
01:24A major development in a closely watched murder case.
01:46Just moments from now, police in Moscow, Idaho will hold a news conference.
01:50This room is absolutely packed here at Moscow City Hall.
01:54Dozens of reporters here inside, bunches of TV cameras.
01:57So we're all sitting there, mostly a bunch of local newspaper reporters, people within
02:02like an hour or two of Moscow.
02:04And there was a press conference.
02:06Last night, detectives arrested 28-year-old Brian Christopher Kohlberger in Albrightsville,
02:16Pennsylvania.
02:18Kohlberger resides in Pullman, Washington and is a graduate student at Washington State
02:22University.
02:24Due to Idaho state law, we are limited in what information we can release today until Kohlberger
02:30has his initial appearance in Idaho court.
02:33I went to my friend's house and we all were like, do you know who he is?
02:37Do we know who he is?
02:38And none of us know.
02:40My first reaction was, who the hell is this guy?
02:43He is just this random person that has nothing to do with any of our lives.
02:47You all now know the name of the person who's been charged with these offenses.
02:52Please ask the public, anyone who knows about this individual, to come forward.
02:57I was told that they had made an arrest.
02:59Someone named Brian, I was like, Brian?
03:02It's like, I've never even heard of a Brian.
03:04Like, why would this random guy from Pullman that no one's met before do this?
03:10Lauren Patterson, Northwest Public Broadcasting, Spokane Public Radio.
03:14Is our community safe or is law enforcement still on the search for other suspects who might
03:20be involved in this attack?
03:21What I can tell you is we have an individual in custody who committed these horrible crimes.
03:27And I do believe our community is safe.
03:32For weeks, it really felt like a cloud was hanging over Moscow.
03:37And now here we were sort of close to getting some closure about this horrible nightmare that
03:43we've been living through.
03:44As my dad was reading, you know, the details of who they arrested, I just was crying.
03:53And my mom said, it's over.
03:56And I said, no, mom, it's just the beginning.
03:59When the arrest was made, we could all breathe a little bit easier that there was somebody
04:15out there that was no longer out potentially on the streets, I guess.
04:19I was glad to hear that they had caught a person.
04:28Because as a father, you don't know where that person was.
04:37There was a real weight off my chest.
04:41It was six weeks of an absolute nightmare, not knowing why.
04:50Every waking minute, wondering who could even commit this crime.
04:57There was never, you know, this solid moment where you're not thinking about it.
05:02And it's someone completely random.
05:10Very far away, which makes even less sense.
05:17Brian Koberger is facing four counts of felony first-degree murder.
05:21He remains behind bars inside the Monroe County Correctional Facility.
05:25He'll have his first hearing before a judge on Tuesday afternoon.
05:29The story making international headlines for the last seven weeks.
05:33Brian! Brian, is he doing it?
05:34Brian, is he doing it?
05:37This case just captures the attention of the nation.
05:42And once Koberger was arrested, there was actually more attention on the case now than there even was before.
05:49Brian Koberger will be extradited back here to Idaho to face charges for the most heinous crime that this city has ever seen.
05:56There was a lot of hubbub about him even just arriving back in Moscow.
06:04There was a crowd of people waiting for him to arrive when he was driven into the jail.
06:09The man accused of brutally murdering four University of Idaho students last month is now back in Idaho.
06:16We expect Koberger will have his first court appearance tomorrow.
06:19That night, I went down to the corner club, the local bar in Moscow.
06:29The mood was jovial.
06:31People were celebrating, clinking glasses, like, we got the guy, like, you know, fuck him.
06:39Yeah, my buddy's the one who, like, drove him over in the car, and my buddy's the one who was one of the paramedics on the scene.
06:48Like, people in town had a lot of pride with how the local community had really rallied.
06:54Several people were like, thank God, he's not one of us.
06:58It would have destroyed me if it was someone else, like, from Idaho.
07:01Like, if it was, like, an Idaho-on-Idaho thing.
07:03In a small town, everybody knows everybody.
07:09There was just, like, this huge sense of relief.
07:12This guy's from the East Coast.
07:14He's an outsider.
07:19When I first heard of Brian Koberger, he was a student at Washington State University.
07:24I remember reaching out to my counterpart there.
07:28I said, you need to hold on tight, because the tidal wave that just hit our campus is now coming your way.
07:33All the scrutiny, the media attention.
07:37We've been digging into Koberger's background.
07:39It appears as though he was a Ph.D. criminology student at Washington State University.
07:44His field of study there now seems an eerie one.
07:48When the news media reported that there was an arrest, I was working at Washington State University as a research faculty member, an associate professor of criminology.
07:58Brian Koberger had been the teaching assistant.
08:00This is a person who's going to attend class, assist with grading.
08:05They're going to hold office hours.
08:06They're going to do a lot of the things that faculty members do.
08:10To learn that this was a student that was enrolled in a Ph.D. program in criminal justice and criminology was, I'm my heart sink.
08:19Brian Koberger was living at an apartment in Pullman, Washington.
08:23That's just about nine miles away from the crime scene in Idaho.
08:28Pullman, Washington and Moscow, Idaho are two college communities.
08:33They just sit sort of right on the border.
08:36It's a 15-minute drive from Moscow.
08:38You can literally walk to that campus from our campus in an afternoon.
08:44It did make sense when I heard that Brian Koberger was a student at a neighboring university, someone who was in the area at the time.
08:52There was just a lot of questions.
08:54Who is this person and why was he in Moscow?
08:57But the number one question in this case has always been, why?
09:01How did he know the victims?
09:09We were keeping our eyes on everything.
09:12We wanted to know, how does this guy tie in?
09:15We have a face to associate with the crime, but that's all we got.
09:26The first time they brought Brian Koberger into the courtroom, when they opened the doors, a chill swept through the courtroom.
09:36It was just a really eerie, surreal feeling to see him for the first time.
09:49Just seeing him, and he was probably, I don't know, maybe eight feet away from me.
09:57I almost really wanted to take him out myself right there.
10:02It was, okay, you've got to calm down.
10:06My wife actually was holding on to my arm, because she was afraid I was going to go do something.
10:16I remember just holding his arm as tightly as I could, and he was shaking.
10:22I think we were all shaking.
10:25Count two alleges that you committed the felony offense of murder in the first degree.
10:29The maximum penalty for this offense is death or imprisonment for life.
10:35Do you understand?
10:36Yes.
10:37I thought I would feel like, you know, yes, we're here.
10:48We're watching you.
10:49Like, how dare you?
10:51And it wasn't that way at all.
10:54He didn't look at us, but I'm sure he was instructed to do so.
10:57And I thought, if he doesn't feel bad, why am I wasting so much time, even pretending like he's a human being?
11:09I'm hurting myself.
11:11He's not going to make me a victim.
11:12Sitting in a courtroom.
11:21This doesn't feel right.
11:23Why would I go sit in a courtroom with that person?
11:27Have you attended any of the hearings?
11:28None.
11:29No, I will not.
11:29We won't.
11:30We won't attend any of the hearings.
11:33What's the purpose?
11:34Definitely not the trial.
11:35No, no, I don't have a need to go look him in the eyes or I don't.
11:43It is what it is.
11:45We cannot change the outcome on this thing.
11:48We cannot bring it back.
11:53I watch a lot of crime shows.
11:56So I knew there was a process.
11:59And I could explain, Karen, this is each step.
12:02This is what's going to happen.
12:04But so I had to be patient for the most part and say, OK, this is going to take time.
12:14We got a press release from the Moscow Police Department saying they're not going to talk to us anymore.
12:18And they're not the only ones.
12:19There's a gag order in this case.
12:21That gag order is going to be in effect, the judge said, until a verdict is reached in this case.
12:28With a gag order, certain people close to this case aren't allowed to speak to the press anymore.
12:35Like the investigators and the cops, they're trying to really contain this case.
12:40They don't want any evidence leaking out that could compromise the trial.
12:45And so because of this, the focus completely shifted to Brian Koberger.
12:51So far, police have not said what led them to this arrest.
12:55We don't know much about him.
12:56How did they track him down?
12:57How did they zero in on him?
12:59His connection to the victims.
13:00Did he know the victims?
13:02We don't have any of those answers.
13:04Everyone just became obsessed with figuring out everything about this guy.
13:07Who is Brian Koberger?
13:09What brought him to that house?
13:11Did he just spontaneously combust into a killer overnight?
13:18The face pops up on the TV and I'm sitting with my family and I just felt my heart beat go crazy fast.
13:25I recognize this face.
13:28And my fiance is like, what's wrong with you?
13:30What's wrong with you?
13:31And I'm like, I know that guy.
13:33I'm like, I went to DeSales with this guy.
13:37Brian Koberger and I met in the biology room.
13:43We were all being paired up for this long project that we were about to do.
13:47We're like picking partners and I see this guy standing alone with his leather jacket on and he's like just kind of being quiet.
13:53I'm the type of guy that says, hey buddy, do you want to be my partner?
13:57This guy is incredibly smart, incredibly detail-oriented, and he's honestly a pleasure to work with.
14:04Do you need help with A, do you need help with B?
14:07Bouncing ideas off each other, fact-checking each other.
14:10I took a few classes with Brian Koberger.
14:14He was also a forensic psychology major.
14:18We saw him maybe as the smarter student.
14:22I remember there was a class where I actually tried to cheat off his test.
14:26I don't tell a lot of people that, but I tried to cheat off his test because I knew he always did amazing in our psychology classes.
14:33He seemed to be a lonely guy.
14:38I definitely invited him to a party one time and he said, no, I can remember that.
14:45He commuted to DeSales.
14:48So it was kind of hard to learn who Brian was.
14:52He is an oddball.
14:54He is smart, but he's like a robot.
14:58Purely based off the fact of his social inability to perform in a normal human manner.
15:07I can absolutely see someone like him being involved in something like this.
15:15A serial killer that I talked to.
15:16I sought out the criminal justice program at DeSales because of its reputation.
15:22We had all these high profile professors.
15:25Dr. Catherine Ramsland is a very accredited woman in the forensic psychology world.
15:31She has been on multiple TV shows.
15:33She's published multiple books.
15:36I spent five years talking with Dennis Rader, the BTK serial killer, because he defies many of the formulas.
15:43Brian Koberger studied forensic psychology under Dr. Ramsland.
15:48In that class, you learned about serial killers, murderers, and their motives.
15:56Right behind our campus is a group of houses where normal people live.
16:02But one house DeSales bought and they used as a crime scene house.
16:06Dr. Ramsland would leave evidence and clues of a real murder that happened in history.
16:13We would try to figure out exactly how this crime took place.
16:18Just thinking about how and why a person would do something like that.
16:23I did one assignment with Brian in the crime scene house.
16:28We're all sitting there quiet and he would come up with something.
16:33Like, well, maybe the intruder did this.
16:36Brian's analysis usually helped us get to the end goal of what Dr. Ramsland wanted us to get to.
16:43All of these are part of him.
16:45But when he's focused on one side, like serial killer, the rest recede.
16:52He's not aware of them.
16:53If you imagine a box, there's different sides to it.
16:57You act as one person at work, you act as one person at home, you act as one person at church.
17:06People with dangerous tendencies, they have one that they hide completely to themselves, which allows them to commit these crimes.
17:15And then they can automatically switch when they go back home to the other side of the box.
17:20I talked to a criminologist who said, it's easy for people who want to commit crimes to mask when studying criminology, right?
17:30You can ask all kinds of debaucherous questions about murder, about cutting people open, about what motivates criminals to kill people.
17:38For grad school, Koberger posted a Reddit survey where he was interested in figuring out what motivates people to commit certain types of crimes.
17:50You don't look like a psychopath.
17:52You look like you're doing your homework.
17:54Brian was asking questions about how certain inmates felt about the crime that they did, which to me was very bizarre to ask.
18:03It was definitely out of the realm of the type of questions that we would ask.
18:10The Master of Arts in Criminal Justice is awarded to Ryan Koberger.
18:18You could be a teacher who is supposed to be the protector of children, doing nefarious things with a student.
18:26How often times do we see that?
18:28They coached the football team, and they're involved in Little League, and they're part of the community, all the while being that chameleon who's blending in with society.
18:43What we know about Brian Koberger is that he was raised in the rural mountains of the Poconos in Pennsylvania.
18:49He seems to have been picked on or bullied as a kid a lot.
18:56When he got older, he was kind of a loner kid.
19:03While Koberger was at Washington State University, he was a teacher's assistant.
19:08And from what we've heard from students who were in classes with Koberger, he had somewhat of an off-putting personality.
19:18But it's not like this guy had a rap.
19:21It'd be different if, like, in his past, he had some other, like, violent assault or something on his record.
19:27What makes this so striking is this wasn't some career criminal.
19:31This might have been someone's first act.
19:34It wasn't clear how police identified Brian Koberger as the suspect until the probable cause affidavit was released.
19:46We have breaking news for you, and that is that the probable cause affidavit in the Idaho 4 murder case has officially been released.
19:54As you can see, I'm casually dressed.
19:56We had to jump on the air immediately to get this to you.
19:59There's a lot of information as to what led to Brian Koberger's arrest.
20:03These details are so heartbreaking.
20:05Let's talk about the key takeaways, because OMG.
20:09Probable cause affidavit is supposed to provide a judge with just enough evidence for the suspect to be held on the crime.
20:18DNA, phone records, and that white Hyundai Elantra, those are the pieces of evidence police believe connect Brian Koberger to the Idaho murders.
20:27We get to see the homework that all the investigators put together to say, Brian Koberger is our guy.
20:36The night the killings took place, Koberger's cell phone data reveals he leaves his apartment in Pullman, heading toward Moscow.
20:44His cell phone stops reporting to the network at 2.47 a.m.
20:52Investigators say that's consistent with someone, like, putting their phone in airplane mode or turning it off.
20:57Just before 3.30 a.m., a white Elantra is seen on surveillance footage making passes at the King Road house.
21:12Investigators believe the homicides occurred between 4 and 4.25 a.m.
21:18And then sometime after 4.20 a.m., a white Hyundai Elantra is seen leaving the King Road residence at high speed on security footage.
21:29When Koberger's phone starts reporting to the network again, it happens at 4.48 a.m. as he's headed south from Moscow towards Genesee.
21:40According to cell phone data, Koberger drove back to Pullman in an odd way.
21:46Typically, people will drive down the main highway that connects the two towns, or they'll drive on the airport road.
21:53But he drove through a residential subdivision out of the way.
21:59He winds his way back to Pullman through some of the smaller farm towns.
22:06Koberger returns to his residence on the Pullman campus in the early morning hours.
22:10One of the most shocking parts of the affidavit was that investigators found a sheath for a knife next to Maddie on the bed.
22:24The cell phone records show Koberger likely returned to the area of 1122 King Road that morning.
22:34He seems to circle back to the crime scene sometime around 9 a.m.
22:38It kind of makes my skin crawl knowing that he was on the same street.
22:46He was by my car.
22:47He was by my front door that morning.
22:50When he went back there in the morning, that was an oh shit moment.
22:55I left the sheath.
22:57And that has my DNA on it.
22:58That's what I truly believe.
23:00Where is that sheath?
23:01Oh my God, where is it?
23:02Probably freaking out.
23:03Because he probably wore booties on his feet.
23:05He probably gloved up.
23:07He probably had long sleeves.
23:08He probably had a hairnet and a hood up.
23:11And knowing what he did know probably accounted for every little thing that he could.
23:17You can say you're going to do this, this, and this on any given day.
23:21But almost 100% of the time the plan has to deviate.
23:25Because you can't control the outcome.
23:29Five days after the killings occurred, Brian Koberger changed his car registration from Pennsylvania to Washington.
23:36This is extremely suspicious because maybe someone is worried that their car was captured on video or surveillance of some kind.
23:45And so registering a different state is a way to change not only the look of your vehicle, but where it's registered, the information about it.
23:54Maybe it's a way to cover something up.
23:56On November 28th, I received an email from Moscow PD.
24:06They had a vehicle of interest.
24:08It was a 2011-2013 white Hyundai Elantra.
24:14At the time, I was chief of police for the Washington State University Police Department.
24:18They told us, if we found one, just provide the license plate and where it was, they didn't want us to contact an occupant or driver of the vehicle.
24:29It's called law enforcement sensitive, meaning that we should not distribute it beyond law enforcement.
24:35The next day, one of our officers was driving around at one of the graduate student housing complexes on campus.
24:43And actually found a white Elantra with Pennsylvania plates.
24:52They did a search in our parking enforcement system.
24:56Was a graduate student at Washington State University named Brian Koberger.
25:00And one of our officers had stopped him previously for a traffic violation.
25:05I do apologize if I was asking you too many questions about the law.
25:09I wasn't trying to like...
25:10No, no, no, not at all.
25:11Like, I understand you're not from here.
25:13So, yeah.
25:14Have a good day.
25:15Definitely.
25:15You too.
25:16Thanks.
25:17Moscow PD wanted us to look for a white Elantra.
25:20It was between 2011 and 2013.
25:23This car was not between those years.
25:26And so, they didn't submit it as a lead to Moscow PD.
25:30Moscow PD.
25:32Moscow PD.
25:33Moscow PD.
25:34Moscow PD.
25:38Moscow PD.
25:40Moscow PD.
25:41Moscow PD.
25:41Moscow PD.
25:41Moscow PD.
26:04Papa Roger joined our Facebook group, the University of Idaho Murder's Case Discussion.
26:13A couple of weeks after we started the page, and he immediately started to get attention
26:19because of the questions he was asking and just how creepy overall he was.
26:28Alina and I are like the administrators of the page, and if something gets posted that's
26:32inappropriate, it like pops up to our attention.
26:35We get this like file of people that report comments, and his were in there all the time,
26:40which is how he became like even more prominent in my head.
26:43I mean, he just asked really weird questions, like how did the killer hold the knife prior
26:48to entering the scene, in your opinion?
26:51He said, which hand do you think they used to kill with?
26:54And I was just like, ooh, who is he, like something's not right, something's off with this guy.
27:00Alina and I have a passion for true crime.
27:03We have multiple pages that focus on crimes that people are looking to solve, but the
27:10biggest and most well-known is the University of Idaho Murders.
27:15There was talk back then like, oh, I bet the killer is on this page.
27:19There's 220,000 of us.
27:21We have almost a quarter million members.
27:24Somebody's going to say something that's going to be significant.
27:27People ask questions on this page and they like, oh, I think so-and-so did it, but he
27:32was so into like the crime scene and like the killer and why he did things.
27:38In hindsight, I see something very much along the same lines as the questionnaire that Brian
27:45Koberger created for a school project.
27:49He wanted like the thoughts and feelings into why somebody committed crime.
27:55Papa Roger asked on our page, how did the killer leave the scene?
28:02Koberger asked, how did you leave the scene in his questionnaire?
28:06Papa Roger said, did you clean up at all?
28:10Brian Kober asked, before leaving, is there anything else you did?
28:14So the questions on his questionnaire are very similar to the questions that Papa Roger
28:19asked on our page.
28:23One post in particular that really catches my attention is his very first post on November
28:2930th.
28:30Of the evidence released, the murder weapon has been consistent as a large fixed blade knife.
28:36This leads me to believe they found the sheath.
28:41That is so odd because we didn't hear anything about the sheath.
28:47This has never been discussed publicly.
28:49This is November 30th.
28:52This is a full month before they even arrest him.
28:57This morning, a new clue in the search for the killer of four University of Idaho students.
29:05Detectives now asking the public for help locating a white 2011 to 2013 Hyundai Elantra.
29:12During the case like this one, you're withholding information because you don't want to compromise
29:16the investigation.
29:18But then if you get to a point where your investigation isn't getting anywhere, then you have to kind
29:22of give that up in the interest of trying to develop leads.
29:27As far as this investigation and this story goes, this is as big of a development as we
29:32have got.
29:33Once this tip goes out that the police are looking for a white Hyundai Elantra, people are going
29:37nuts looking for this car.
29:39People are going crazy online, submitting photos.
29:43When they were looking for the car, my friends had to screenshot it and was like, do you know
29:47about this?
29:48I had a friend text me that was like, I know a girl who has that car, should I call it in?
29:54People were losing it about this.
29:58A night manager at this gas station in Moscow, Idaho discovered surveillance video that showed
30:04a white sedan driving by on the night the four University of Idaho students were murdered.
30:13During that time, Papa Roger kept saying over and over and over again that that white Elantra
30:19is a red herring.
30:22It's like somebody trying to get people off that trail.
30:27Something you learn in criminal justice is when people do commit acts of atrocity and they
30:32get away with it for a time.
30:35They involve themselves in any which way that they can.
30:41This person potentially joined the search on social media to perhaps play a game, have
30:47fun, show their intellect, whatever the case may be.
30:52In December, Koberger's dad flew in from Pennsylvania into Washington to drive him home for winter break.
31:02And he's pulled over for tailgating.
31:07So he is right up on that van, man.
31:11Right up on the back end of that van.
31:14So you're coming from Washington State University?
31:17Yeah.
31:18And you're going where?
31:20I'm going to Pennsylvania.
31:21Oh, OK.
31:22So you all work at the university?
31:24I actually do work there.
31:26So do me a favor.
31:26Don't follow too close.
31:27OK?
31:28All right.
31:30Appreciate you.
31:31All right.
31:32And then he gets pulled over a second time.
31:35How you doing?
31:36You just got your license and registration.
31:38You got stopped by a trooper?
31:39We don't have any SUVs.
31:40It was a county guy.
31:41Was it like a black SUV?
31:42OK.
31:43All right.
31:44All right.
31:45All right.
31:46Well, I'm not going to give you guys another ticket or warning if you just got stopped.
31:48Just make sure you're giving yourself plenty of room.
31:49OK?
31:50All right.
31:51All right.
31:52All right.
31:53All right.
31:54Well, I'm not going to give you guys another ticket or warning if you just got stopped.
31:56Just make sure you're giving yourself plenty of room.
31:57All right.
31:58All right.
31:59He's on Central.
32:00Thank you, sir.
32:01They continue to drive to Pennsylvania.
32:06Papa Roger, I mean, he keeps posting.
32:09And when I read those messages, I see an escalation.
32:17At the end of December, I received a text from the chief of the Moscow Police Department asking me if I could meet with the investigative team.
32:26They walked me upstairs to a room full of Moscow PD, Idaho State Patrol, the FBI.
32:33I figured that there's, OK, there's, now they've got something going on, there's a lead, and it has something to do with WSU.
32:41They had a suspect, and when they told me his name, it sounded familiar to me.
32:51And I said, you know, I think I've talked to Brian Koberger before.
32:56Previous to my employment at Washington State University, I was the chief of police for the city of Pullman.
33:03We had a program where a WSU criminal justice PhD student would do research and assistance for us.
33:13So I interviewed Brian Koberger.
33:16I know that he had an interest in the mind of a person who commits crimes, their motivation and how they feel.
33:26They seemed maybe a little bit awkward in talking with him.
33:32His communication style was not like a fluid conversation necessarily, where he spoke easily.
33:40It was a little bit more stuttered, I guess.
33:43With a researcher and a law enforcement agency, a huge factor is developing trust.
33:50And that was one area where I felt he might fall short.
33:56He did not get the job.
34:01During that briefing, the investigators let me know Brian Koberger was identified as a suspect based on DNA at the crime scene.
34:09They found a single source, meaning it was only one person's DNA, on the button of the sheath.
34:19The suspect was identified through genetic genealogy, a process where DNA from an investigation is compared to a public database.
34:29It sounds like somebody in his family did one of those 23 and me things.
34:33Using investigative genetic genealogy, investigators can turn to trying to match portions of the known profile from the sheath to family members of their suspect.
34:48Back in Pennsylvania, the FBI began surveilling the Koberger residence.
34:53They take some of the family's garbage and made a DNA profile of Brian Koberger's father, and then got at least a partial match to the DNA profile on the knife sheath.
35:09So, using all of this information, investigators say, we believe the person who committed this crime is Brian Koberger.
35:16We want a warrant for his arrest.
35:18The investigators let us know of their plan that they were going to do an arrest at his family home in Pennsylvania.
35:28We were going to time the search warrants at his office and his graduate student housing department to happen almost simultaneously.
35:37The police department search warrant, come to the door.
35:45A break in the case that has gripped this nation.
35:49Authorities have arrested a suspect in Pennsylvania.
35:52Koberger reportedly had a blank stare as he was arrested and also asked if anyone else had been taken into custody.
35:59Mr. Koberger was found in the kitchen area wearing latex gloves and apparently was taking his personal trash and putting it into separate Ziploc baggies.
36:11The police took computers. They have hard drives. They took black clothing. They took gloves, masks.
36:17There were no clothes at the apartment. It just was almost vacant.
36:25Looked like he had planned not to come back.
36:28After Brian Koberger is arrested, no one hears from Papa Roger ever again.
36:46He was erased from the internet. You couldn't find him. I couldn't pull him up at all.
36:50Because he was a member on the page, I should have been able to find something. There was nothing.
36:59The day of Koberger's arrest, Alina and I and hundreds of thousands of other people are digging into Brian Koberger.
37:07When you look at his mugshot and you look at the profile picture of Papa Roger, it looks like he made a cartoon of himself.
37:18When I saw him, I was like, that's him. Christine, that's him. That's fucking him.
37:27We started posting about it on the page and everyone kind of like jumped on that like, oh my gosh, he was on the page. This is the connection.
37:34After the arrest was made, I thought our lives could begin to get more normal, but the vibes and the energy around everyone was just not the same.
37:55We are needing to move forward as a community. But the suspect is in jail just down the road. And so the daily reminder of what happened is ever present.
38:08We were somewhere and the news was on in the background. And suddenly it was the story of the kids. And just when you think you're emotionally okay, you sit again.
38:23What is going on? Like, is this ever going to be normal again? Is this ever going to be the same? And I think that surely I figured out that it's not.
38:39I don't watch the news. Because you just never know when something's going to be out there.
38:49For the people close to it, they're having to grieve and try to make sense of what's going on and get closure for their loved ones, all while being on a national stage.
39:04I really didn't understand until I was part of this case, the ripple effects that it can have for entire communities.
39:12Even as the case evolved, that attention just kept growing. You just, you couldn't escape it.
39:22We have amateur detectives pieced together maps of the house and the rooms.
39:29You had Maddie and Kaylee right above on the third floor.
39:33We have psychics on TikTok claiming to have spiritual abilities to solve crimes.
39:38He may have acted alone within the murder house. I don't know. I'm going to be doing a couple more readings.
39:44There were a lot of questions that were answered by the affidavit, like how police had tracked down Brian Koberger.
39:51But there were also a lot of questions we still don't have answers to.
39:56What I don't quite understand at this time is the police were not called until about noon the next day.
40:03Why was there such a delay?
40:04The biggest detail from the affidavit was that one of the surviving roommates actually saw someone in the house in the early morning hours of November 13th.
40:16There was an actual visual witness.
40:19She came face to face with the killer.
40:21Someone in this house saw him.
40:24I think she was confused and has battled with what if I actually knew what was going on.
40:32I don't I don't know what to do.
40:33I don't know.
40:34I'm so okay.
40:35I don't know.
40:36I don't know.
40:37I don't know.
40:38We're having friends with the killer.
40:39I like my friends with the killer.
40:41I don't know.
40:42We're not, we're not.
40:44We're having around for sure.
40:45You don't know.
40:46I don't know.
40:48We're having a...
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