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00:00the bodies continue to pile up in southern california the madness has not ended i didn't
00:18actually feel i was getting the job done because we were having so many of them and just when they
00:22thought they'd have something another body would show up and we're going back and looking at the
00:27chart we're saying wait a minute there might be a third guy here because that animal was even a
00:30little bit different this guy was picking up marines it's like a trilogy of terror with these
00:35three guys he was the most sadistic out of all of them he really liked to torture these people while
00:43they were alive he came up with new and imaginative ways of inflicting pain total psychopath way beyond
00:54being any kind of associate there police are confounded there seems to be very little that
01:00connects these young men they didn't know one another they weren't even from the same cities or towns
01:08he was a hunter people would hitchhike and if he's willing to stop and give him a ride
01:12that was not something unusual back then either a lot of times it was the drive to their death
01:29so
01:34so
01:38so
02:18Orange County investigators are dealing with a possible mass murderer
02:27and a list of victims that continues to get longer.
02:30The most recent victim, however, is Jeffrey Nelson of Buena Park.
02:34The 18-year-old's body was thrown from a moving car onto the Garden Grove freeway last Saturday morning.
02:48In 1977, Kearney is in prison.
02:561980, they've got William Bonin.
02:59But the bodies continue to pile up in Southern California.
03:04The madness has not ended.
03:06But once Bonin was convicted, it was a big relief to us.
03:11But there were still cases.
03:12There were still bodies being dropped.
03:14And when going back and looking at the chart, we're saying, wait a minute.
03:17There might be a third guy here.
03:18Because that AMO was even a little bit different.
03:21This guy was picking up Marines hitchhiking.
03:24And there was one case where he had thrown a Marine out of the car, out of a rolling vehicle.
03:29We were aware of these.
03:30They were still contacting us about any young boy who was murdered anywhere near California.
03:34It's like a trilogy of terror with these three guys.
03:40There was a series of bodies found with what could be considered anti-gay treatment of the bodies after death.
03:51There were five or six of them with foreign objects inserted into them.
03:56Disgusting graphic behavior with dead bodies.
04:00They are mutilated much more so than what we saw with Carney or with Bonin.
04:10And it doesn't stop.
04:12It continues more and more and more.
04:16The homicide victims were brutalized.
04:20And that's like an understatement.
04:23There were beheadings.
04:25There were ligature marks.
04:27Torturing.
04:28There was sodomize.
04:30There were victims that had tree branches that were rammed up inside of the victims.
04:37All kinds of evidence that these people had been, in many cases, slowly and agonizingly mutilated before they were murdered.
04:49And brutalized further after the fact.
04:52After Daniel Moore was a Marine, and that's significant with this killer, because Marines were his favorite prey.
05:12He used to troll places like Camp Pendleton, the El Toro Marine Air Base.
05:24He knew that a good many of them were young, not well-versed in the ways of the world, and looking to get drunk and forget about basic training.
05:36They almost uniformly had no transportation, because they were literally fresh off the farm without a driver's license or a car, and they wanted to go out and have a good time.
05:52He would go to the main gates of these various military bases and pick up hitchhikers who wanted to go into town, get a drink, see a girl.
06:06Moore was the first of many.
06:08What you find out, as you look at the details about how they died, it's the most horrendous thing a detective could ever experience in a long career.
06:29Nothing can match the sickening descriptions.
06:34He was probably the most sadistic out of all of them.
06:38He really liked to torture these people while they were alive, cut off their genitals, sometimes biting their genitals off, taking the cigarette lighter from a car and burning their eyeballs with it, mutilating them, cutting them.
06:55And then he would be driving down the highway and just toss their body out of the car.
07:00He just looked at these people as pieces of meat, and then once he was done, he would discard them like trash.
07:09He came up with new and imaginative ways of inflicting pain, jamming things up people's rectums and scoring their scrotums and splitting their penises.
07:28And just the most horrible, awful, despicable things that one human being can do to another.
07:37Total psychopath.
07:39Way beyond being any kind of a sociopath.
07:41He didn't care about anything except his own desires in torturing people.
07:45He got off torturing, horribly torturing these kids.
07:49He was a hunter, and a lot of times his victims were victims of circumstance.
07:56Sometimes there were accounts that he befriended these individuals in some of the local establishments, spent some time with them, and then convinced them to drive.
08:06People would hitchhike, and if he's willing to stop and give them a ride, that was not something unusual back then either.
08:12A lot of times it was the drive to their death.
08:14Keith Crotwell was there in the parking lot at Ripple's.
08:27Ripple's was the up-and-coming gay disco, I guess you would call it.
08:31It was much more than a bar, but Crotwell went there with a couple of his friends to see if they could pick up girls.
08:39And then this guy shows up after he's been circling the parking lot for a while, who had a mustache, and had deep, dark eyes that seemed to look right through you.
08:55And says, you guys need some bros.
08:57And of course they thought that was a great idea, so he had them pop in his car, and then took them for a ride, and served up beer that he already had in the cooler in his back seat.
09:12Seemed very convenient, but you know, they were young and dumb, and they didn't pay any attention to any of the danger signals.
09:18And they took the beers, and they drank them.
09:23One of them, after the fact, described to me how he got deposited out of the car like he was too small a fish being chucked out by the fisherman who had a bigger fish that he was going to fry.
09:39His two buddies, you know, they woke up with hangovers, and somehow they got home.
09:48But when they tried to get in touch with Crotwell, he wasn't home.
09:53And nobody knew where he was, and his parents started to think that he had run away.
10:01Sometime later, a father and his boy were out on one of the jetties at the Long Beach Marina.
10:09And they came across a rotting human skull.
10:12The police showed up, they bagged the skull, and did some testing, and matched it to a headless body that had been found off of a freeway many miles away from Long Beach in Orange County.
10:36And it turned out it was Keith Crotwell.
10:41At least the mystery of his disappearance was solved, but how his head was separated from his body went unsolved for quite a while.
10:52They were dropping cases on us left and right.
10:59I mean, it was unbelievable that the burden that we had, and the serial killers were just continuing.
11:05Early on, there was a lot of crossover, because obviously they hadn't identified Bonin or Kearney.
11:16They just knew that they had a bunch of victims.
11:18And then within those victim profiles, there were certain differences among those victims, primarily in the way they were killed.
11:25One of the big things that they focused on was the alcohol and diazepam overdose.
11:33There was also things about victims being emasculated and also victims being dumped on the side of freeways.
11:40Whoever was doing that, the suspicion was they had been exposed to some military training.
11:51A couple of techniques that were used of putting paper in the nostrils, that would be done to keep liquids from expelling out of the nostrils after death when you're hauling the body away to dump it.
12:08It doesn't mess up your car or your van.
12:11Another thing, using a sock, stuffing it into the rectum in order to prevent the corpse from expelling fluids that way.
12:22And that was an important clue that they had to go on.
12:33I didn't actually feel like I was getting the job done, because we were having so many of them.
12:38And I think everybody involved realized that we have six investigators working on this thing 16 hours a day.
12:46And just when they thought they'd have something, another body would show up.
12:49Mark Hall went out to a party on New Year's with his friends.
13:06Everybody got drunk.
13:07And everybody half remembered what happened.
13:11The bottom line was, the next day, Mark Hall was among the missing, and the friends had no idea what happened to him.
13:21Only several days later did they learn that he had been murdered, and his horribly mutilated body was left in a relatively remote part of southern Orange County.
13:36Police are confounded by this, because there seems to be very little that connects these young men.
13:48They didn't know one another.
13:49They weren't even from the same cities or towns.
13:53And what was the link?
13:54What was the factor, the X factor, that would make it possible to find out who was doing this?
13:59Nobody knew where to turn.
14:13The CHP, California Highway Patrol, they were patrolling the 5 Freeway down by Mission Viejo in Orange County.
14:21And there was a sergeant and his officer in a car, because there wasn't much happening.
14:29It was kind of a slow night.
14:32And they see this car weaving.
14:33It's starting to weave from lane to lane.
14:37What's going on?
14:38Well, it could be a DUI.
14:41He was driving a little bit slower than the posted speed limit.
14:44He was weaving in and out of his lanes.
14:46He was kind of driving on the right shoulder, so they thought that this individual was intoxicated.
14:51So they initiated a traffic stop.
14:55Initially, he did not stop.
14:56He kept driving.
14:58They shine the light in the back of the car.
15:01They can see the driver moving around inside the vehicle, which again raises the officer's suspicions.
15:07But he eventually pulls over to the right shoulder and stops.
15:10Once he stops, he gets out of the car and comes back and approaches the officers on foot.
15:19Based on my experience, that again is also suspicious, because one of two things.
15:24Most people don't approach officers at a stop.
15:27And number two, the way my brain works is there's something in the car that he doesn't want me to see.
15:32So he's distracting my attention away from the car.
15:35These two officers do their DUI investigation.
15:38He takes him to the side of the highway, and he's saying, wait, have you been drinking?
15:47Eh, I only had two drinks.
15:48I only had two drinks.
15:50Eh, we want to check you out.
15:52See, they give him the field sobriety test.
15:54He's not passing it.
15:55He's having difficulty.
15:57He's slurring his speech.
15:58He's stumbling.
15:59He can't do finger to nose.
16:01They make the determination that the driver is under the influence of an intoxicating substance.
16:07They place him under arrest and put him in the backseat of their patrol car.
16:11The passenger officer goes up to check on the car.
16:16They notice an individual sitting on the passenger seat of that car.
16:21Initially, the officer thinks that he's either passed out or asleep.
16:24Uh, he tries to rouse him, uh, to see what his story is.
16:29Perhaps he can, you know, drive the car away, but that passenger is unresponsive.
16:34So one of the two officers went over to the passenger's side, opened the door, and the fellow fell over.
16:46The officer steps in there and kind of shakes the guy.
16:49The guy doesn't move.
16:51And then he takes a pulse.
16:54It's cold.
16:55And then all of a sudden, he opens the door, and there it is.
17:00The guy is exposed, his genitals showing.
17:02His hands are secured behind him, and he looks a little closer, and it looks to be some ligature marks around his neck.
17:12They were his shoelaces that had been tied around his wrists, and that he'd probably been strangled with a belt.
17:21He was a tall fellow, and turned out that he was a Marine who had been stationed at nearby Camp Pendleton in southern Orange County.
17:34They called EMTs, and they showed up and transported the victim to the nearest hospital.
17:43But they determined that, uh, he was pretty much dead on arrival.
17:48This was just supposed to be a DUI stop, an easy traffic stop.
17:55Now they're going to have to call the homicide detectives.
17:58There's a dead body in the car.
18:00His story was that he just picked up this individual hitchhiking on the side of the road,
18:05and perhaps he had some sort of medical emergency, perhaps he ingested some sort of substance that led to his death.
18:13The driver of the car was arrested for suspected homicide.
18:20That is not the end of the story.
18:21They identified the driver through his California identification,
18:30and at the time, he had a limited criminal history.
18:38He had some arrests for solicitation in Long Beach.
18:44The driver turned out to be a computer repairman named Randy Stephen Cratt.
18:51They called the homicide detectives because there was a dead body there,
18:55and eventually they searched the car.
18:58When they went into the trunk, they found a piece of paper,
19:03and it had all these names abbreviated, and they went down.
19:07The first one was a stable.
19:09It turned out that was where Randy Kraft would pick it up.
19:13That was one of the gay bars.
19:15And you go down, it would say the name of where the person was picked up
19:20or some characteristic of that person, all the way down.
19:23But it talked about other places like Portland, Oregon.
19:27It talked about Michigan.
19:29One thing leads to another, and they think that Cratt might have been responsible like 67 murders.
19:35Randy Kraft was born in 1945, grew up in Southern California.
19:51His parents had moved out here at the beginning of World War II to work in the defense industry.
19:57His father for an aircraft maker.
19:59He had three older sisters who were substantially older than him.
20:06He was doted upon because he was the only boy in the family.
20:11And all three of his sisters and his mother treated him with deference.
20:17He was the little prince.
20:19But there was this dark aspect of his early upbringing.
20:24His father liked to drink, and he would have this personality change and go into rages at times.
20:33There are a couple of bits of evidence.
20:36When Randy was a baby, he supposedly fell down the stairs and broke his collarbone when he was a toddler.
20:48Breaking a baby's collarbone with a fall is pretty damn difficult.
20:54I mean, babies don't just fall and break a bone the way that an alter cocker like myself does.
21:03Their bones are elastic.
21:05So the fact that he would have a broken collarbone would cast suspicion on him right off the bat.
21:13And then there was a second incident when he, again, suffered a fall and passed out and had to be taken to a health clinic nearby.
21:24Both of these are incidents when he was a baby.
21:27And the obvious culprit would be his father.
21:30I haven't been able to ever get anyone to confirm that.
21:35The closest that any of the three sisters came to say it was the middle sister, Doris, who told me that, yeah, dad could really put him away.
21:46And when he did, he was completely unpredictable.
21:48Randy grew up in the 1950s, identified as a conservative, a Republican, as a young man, had said, I want someday to be in politics, perhaps a U.S. senator.
22:09That's what he was thinking in the 50s.
22:12In 1964, he was involved in politics as a 19-year-old.
22:17He actually helped campaign as a volunteer for the Republican presidential nominee, Senator Barry Goldwater.
22:24But then, as he got a little older, his political views started changing.
22:30He no longer reflected his parents' views.
22:34He went off to college, Claremont College, where he joined the ROTC.
22:39And he became a little bit, if you will, more progressive or more liberal,
22:46adopting political views and cultural views that were more common among college students in the 1960s.
22:54He joined the U.S. Air Force and was assigned to Edwards Air Force Base, which is just north of Los Angeles County.
23:09He painted aircraft, supervised later, became an airman, first class.
23:14So he had a good Air Force career going.
23:19Kraft had hinted to his parents that he was gay.
23:22He would bring his male friends over to the house to meet them.
23:25But they didn't quite seem to pick up on it until, finally, he came out and said, I'm gay.
23:33His father didn't take it very well.
23:35His mother, somewhat more understanding.
23:37It's also a confession, if you will, that he made to the military, to a supervisor at Edwards Air Force Base.
23:45If in the 60s or the 70s, the military found out, especially you telling them that you are gay, they would kick you out.
23:56They didn't want you.
23:58So they initiated a general discharge for him for medical reasons, almost as if Kraft had lost a leg or something,
24:06that he wasn't fit, not needed in the military anymore.
24:09And that ended his military career.
24:14Kraft returns home to his parents' house and starts doing a variety of jobs, including bartending,
24:22working at gay bars, working for a swimwear company, working for a water company.
24:27He goes back to school and brushes up his education resume, studying education.
24:33He was an aspiring computer programmer, which, given the early 80s, was an up-and-coming field.
24:40He worked for a couple different companies and then worked as an independent contractor as well
24:46to do computer programming for these institutions.
24:51He was living a homosexual lifestyle in Long Beach.
24:55He had a significant other that he lived with in Long Beach.
24:59They had an on-again, off-again relationship.
25:03But there was a dark side to what Kraft was doing in his years after the military.
25:09He was cruising the roads of Southern California, going to gay bars, picking up young men,
25:16drugging them with drugs and alcohol, sodomizing and killing them.
25:25Now, Randy Kraft's victims were older.
25:28I could say they were Marines.
25:29So they were a little bit harder to control, but he was using drugs and stuff of that nature
25:36to knock them out and then strangle them and then kill them.
25:40Kraft began experimenting with pharmaceuticals early on, as early as his college days,
25:48on his own girlfriend at the time, because he did have a girlfriend at one time.
25:53And then later on, his so-called friends, he tried it out on them to see they were his guinea pigs,
26:03to see how they would react.
26:05Over time, he kind of perfected it.
26:10Kraft was genuinely a classic sadist.
26:14He had to keep his victims alive, and he learned over time how to dose them so that he could keep them alive,
26:25but under his control, literally for days.
26:30That's what we were dealing with back in the day.
26:36It was surreal.
26:39There was one Marine victim who he took a lot of pictures of, polaroid shots,
26:44who probably had been alive for the better part of the week.
26:50And he, you know, he just kept dosing him with exactly the right amount of medication
27:00because he wanted to, you know, hear the screams, I guess.
27:07Kraft was a monster.
27:14One who survived Kraft was a biker named Joey Fancher.
27:20One of Kraft's earliest would-be victims.
27:26He was a 12- or 13-year-old skateboarder in Huntington Beach.
27:32He cut class on a regular basis, and he'd go down to the pier in Huntington Beach,
27:38and he met this guy.
27:40He talked a good line and, you know, lured Fancher to his hotel room, I guess.
27:46He was on the promise of fear.
27:48He gave him something to drink.
27:52And the next thing Fancher knew, he awakened in his bed.
27:58His pants were down, and he was exposed.
28:02There was nobody there, but it was getting dark.
28:08Obviously, he'd been out for several hours.
28:12He got up and got the hell out of there and went home.
28:16The police did investigate.
28:20They did find all these prescription drugs in his possession,
28:26but they never did anything about it.
28:29He wasn't charged, and Fancher got his first taste of Southern California justice
28:38by doing the right thing, telling his parents,
28:41and then seeing nothing happen as a direct result of his shining a light on this pervert.
28:48Crotwell was the case wherein, ultimately, two of Long Beach's finest
29:02had enough circumstantial evidence in terms of craft having been spotted
29:10in the vicinity of the body, not the head, but the body.
29:14He'd been seen leaving the parking lot at Ripple's in his car that evening.
29:23It ultimately brought two homicide detectives to his front door,
29:27and they wanted him to come down to the headquarters and submit to questioning.
29:35And Kraft did so.
29:38He went to the Long Beach Police Department,
29:41went into the classic little interrogation room with these two cops
29:47who were recording the whole thing.
29:50He managed, over the period of an hour or so,
29:54to dance around most of their pointed questions
29:56and point out that he had car trouble and he needed help from his roommate.
30:05And he walked away from his car because it had gotten stuck in the sand.
30:13And that was all just coincidental that he happened to be around
30:17when whoever it was that killed this poor unfortunate
30:21and left the body just a few yards away.
30:26You would think that the cops would follow up on that,
30:32but there's no evidence that the cops did anything further on that.
30:37They just made the judgment call that,
30:40yeah, he was this friendly computer techie
30:43and he just happened to be in the proximity of this freeway killer victim.
30:52It was yet another example of Randy Kraft literally getting away with murder.
31:05One of the things that highlighted Randy Kraft
31:08was he was known as the scorecard killer.
31:10And during his search of that Toyota after his arrest,
31:13they found what they believed to be an encrypted list of potential victims.
31:18The scorecard, which was a sheet of notebook paper
31:23that looked like it might have been bloodstained,
31:25some of them were relatively obvious,
31:29like after a Daniel Moore, because it was EDM,
31:33that was easy for law enforcement to connect to a body.
31:38Crotwell was equated with the term parking lot.
31:42They were memory triggers to relive the experience of each murder.
31:55Kraft took impeccable notes.
31:58It was almost like a highway of what he did.
32:02But you go down that list and there are a lot of entries
32:06that are easily connected to murder victims,
32:09but there are a good many that remain anybody's guess to this day.
32:17In 2016, I was assigned to the Orange County Cold Case Homicide Task Force,
32:23which at that time was an entity that was run by the district attorney's office.
32:28And it was a multi-agency entity that worked primarily on solving cold cases.
32:35One of the individuals on that list was a John Doe for our agency from 1974.
32:42The thing about that individual is that his naked body was tossed off a fire break,
32:50which would have been rural southern Orange County back in 1974,
32:54and that there were tire tracks along the side of this fire break.
32:58And by all indications, it looked like this person had been dumped off the freeway.
33:03However, at that time in 1974, his death was ruled accidental due to alcohol and diazepam intoxication.
33:13It had only been five or six days.
33:16So, unfortunately, it was difficult to determine whether he had been strangled or not,
33:23just based on the condition of the, for lack of a better term, the flesh,
33:27but they were still able to do toxicological examination.
33:31So, fast forward to 1983, and all these bodies were coming through Orange County
33:36and jurisdictions with that same characteristic,
33:40they reopened that investigation to say,
33:43hey, this victim may be a victim of Randy Kraft.
33:46My work in that detail, I learned how to do investigative genetic genealogy,
33:55which is using familial DNA to identify these individuals.
34:00So, in late 2022, we submitted a forensic specimen for this 1974 John Doe
34:07to a private lab to do DNA processing in hopes of getting him identified.
34:12And over the course of the next 10 months, we successfully identified him as Michael Schlecht.
34:19His mom was still alive, so we went out and interviewed mom and a sister,
34:25and the last they had ever heard from Michael was he was hitchhiking to California from Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
34:34And coincidentally, on Kraft's scorecard is an entry for Iowa.
34:42Meanwhile, they impound the car to find all sorts of forensic evidence within the car.
34:56And it was a short time after that that they started putting together all the evidence against this guy,
35:01And they found literally a drawer full of pictures of men looking like they were asleep in an apartment somewhere.
35:11And they were all dead.
35:13He had photographed them after he had drugged them and killed them.
35:17He would dismember bodies.
35:19They found jars of testicles for him and the pictures.
35:24They realized he is the last of the freeway killers.
35:29After some 350 personal interviews with people who knew Randy Kraft and several searches of Kraft's car in Long Beach residence,
35:43Orange County Sheriff Brad Gates says he now has a wealth of information on the man accused in the strangulation deaths of six young men,
35:49and now a suspect in at least ten more murders.
35:52Kraft has already been accused of killing Jeffrey Nelson, Wyatt Loggins, Roger Duvall Jr.,
35:58Mark Hall, Terry Gambrell, and Eric Church.
36:04Then there's 25-year-old Michael Lane.
36:06His picture was found at Kraft's residence, but it's unknown if he's alive or dead.
36:10The same for these men, all believed to be Marines.
36:15Meantime, Randy Kraft, who remains in jail without bail, is awaiting his preliminary hearing.
36:19That's scheduled to start here in Orange County on Monday.
36:22The trial, which at the time was deemed to have been the longest in Orange County history,
36:34went on for weeks and weeks.
36:39He never for a second let down the notion that he'd ever engaged in any sort of mischief.
36:47He was an upstanding citizen.
36:51He's purported to have viewed all of this as being a persecution because he was gay,
36:59even though the evidence is more than overwhelming.
37:05In court, he seemed like he was bored with the whole thing.
37:09He cuts, severs off Jeffrey's testicles and his penis.
37:17And when he's through with Jeffrey's body, he discards it out of his car.
37:23Kraft had his excuses.
37:34It came out later, after the investigation and during the trial,
37:40that Kraft broke away from his family long enough to go out, find Mark Hall,
37:47maim him, drug him, kill him,
37:49and leave his body up in the hills overlooking Lake Elsinore.
37:55He maintained that he was with his family for New Year's,
38:02that they watched the Rose Parade together.
38:05I mean, there was a chunk of time in the middle of the night when he was missing,
38:11but no one seemed to pay much attention to it.
38:14Randy was weird that way.
38:17He would wander off and show up later, fresh as the daisy,
38:22and his family suspected nothing ever.
38:36Sixteen times today, the jury foreman read out the verdict for Randy Kraft.
38:40We want to see justice done.
38:43Our son will not be brought back.
38:45We have to represent our Roy.
38:53He was, he can't be here, but we can.
38:57Mrs. Barbara Loggins has waited for nearly nine years to see the man who killed her son, Wyatt, convicted.
39:03That wait ended late this morning.
39:05We, the jury, find the defendant, Randy Stephen Kraft,
39:09guilty of the crime of felony murder in the first degree, Robert Wyatt Loggins.
39:14Kraft only sighed when the first guilty verdict was read.
39:21Forty-five minutes later, it was all over.
39:24Each time it was guilty of murder in the first degree.
39:27He is suspected in 21 other murders in California, Oregon, and Michigan.
39:32He could get life with no parole or the gas chamber.
39:35His trial, which began in 88, ended in 89, was his sentencing to the gas chamber.
39:46After it was all over, after all three freeway killers were prosecuted, we look back on it.
39:56Why did this happen in Southern California, especially Los Angeles?
40:01What made this kind of a magnet that attracted these misfits,
40:06where they wanted to find young men and have sexual relations with them and kill them?
40:12That is the most interesting thing about these killers is that they were very good at mimicking being normal
40:25because they had to get these people in their clutches.
40:30They had to win them over to get them in the van, to get them in the car, to get them to come back to their houses.
40:36These men were very good at portraying being average, everyday, normal people.
40:42It's just amazing that these three serial killers operated at the same time, in the same geography.
40:53Three serial killers who were each different, yet had the same motive to inflict pain and suffering and death for their own pleasures.
41:06These guys, they would talk about murdering people like you and I would talk about where we're going to lunch.
41:13That's a sociopath.
41:15They have no remorse.
41:16They have no feelings or consideration for anybody.
41:19It was all about sexual gratification.
41:21But why did it take us so long to catch him?
41:27That's always a question an investigator will ask himself, especially afterwards.
41:33And especially when you're dealing with youth.
41:36You know, it's just, it's harder.
41:38Those things, and they stay with police officers.
41:42The homicide investigators that work the freeway killer case and everything,
41:47they still think about that for a long time afterwards.
41:51You don't forget those kind of things.
41:53It was a golden age for serial killers, especially freeway killers.
41:59It happened.
42:00It was very unfortunate.
42:02And many, many, many young lives were lost because of that.
42:08I don't think the world has seen the last serial killer yet.
42:12I'm not sure we ever will.
42:17What happened at the height of these murders,
42:27this changed the way a lot of kids lived.
42:29Because you don't see hitchhikers anymore.
42:32I mean, really, if you could come around California,
42:34you could drive anywhere in L.A.,
42:35you don't see people hitchhiking anymore.
42:38And the carefree days of that, long gone.
42:40And I think Kraft and Bonin had a lot to do with that.
42:45It changed everything.
42:46It really, really did.
42:51If you add up all of the murders to which they confessed,
42:55were convicted of, suspected of,
42:56it comes to something like 100.
42:58What a horrible score to think that for that period of time,
43:02these men were able to carry out these crimes
43:04as butchers across all of Los Angeles.
43:06these years were so, they said,
43:14giving me this career as to mortality.
43:16And they were just had simply been to know you
43:19that you could feel like a lot of children being
43:21not safe on your list.
43:22They weren't really 느 требed.
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