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00:01People start finding bodies along the highway.
00:04These young men are just disappearing.
00:07What in the name of God is going on out there?
00:10The California of the 1960s was the freewheeling summer of love in San Francisco.
00:16All these people all over the United States were drawn to Los Angeles, Hollywood.
00:21There are predatory people who can take advantage of people like that.
00:26Investigators are still going over the records of eight murder cases.
00:29The papers were just flooded with these murders.
00:33His killings were so horrific that even the seasoned detectives had a hard time listening to it and looking at the evidence.
00:44He had sex with these men sometimes before, oftentimes after he killed them.
00:50There were beheadings. There were victims that had tree branches that were rammed up inside of the victims.
00:58As soon as you get one of those, this isn't something random. This guy's going to do more.
01:02This is the 33rd killing of the same type in the last few months.
01:06This is just one of 41 murders of teenage boys in five Southern California counties over the past eight years.
01:12We're not just dealing with one serial killer here. Some other psychopath is out there.
01:19It's like a trilogy of terror with these guys.
01:22I couldn't believe anybody that could do something so evil.
01:25He very much enjoyed torturing and killing these young boys.
01:30He loved the sound and he loved the terror in their face.
01:34He spent a lot of time cruising around Hollywood Boulevard for hitchhikers.
01:40A lot of times it was the drive to their death.
01:43A lot of times it was the drive to their death.
01:47A lot of times it was a battle municipality.
01:48We took a lot ofstrengthings that were a dozen times...
01:51A lot of times it was one of the grandmothers is going to play out.
01:53We took a lot of moments at the end of the world trip for extremely long.
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03:19I grew up in El Segundo, California, so right here in the LA area.
03:32Just south of the LAX big airport in the beach cities.
03:40Nice place, like when I was growing up, you go out in the morning and you didn't have to come home until street lights went on.
03:46You know, and your parents just, you know, you know you're out, but just be home by dinner.
03:50You know, it was kind of a very safe place to grow up.
03:53You know, kids played on the block.
03:55It was just a very, very sweet town.
03:57The California of the 1960s was the freewheeling beads and music.
04:03The summer of love in San Francisco in 1967.
04:06The sense that we were in the age of Aquarius, that everything was going to be beautiful and wonderful and peaceful.
04:15Well, the phrase about peace and love didn't necessarily apply to gay people.
04:27Most of the gay scene in LA was centered around downtown.
04:31The gay culture that existed was not meant to be noticed by straight society.
04:40Gay bars were like speakeasies.
04:43They did not advertise themselves.
04:45You usually needed a special knock or some kind of password to get into them.
04:50They were owned by mafias and criminal syndicates.
04:54Any kind of gay socializing had to be done very carefully because there were laws against it.
05:01That looks innocent enough, doesn't it?
05:07Lots of young people hitchhiked, but sometimes there are dangers involved that never meet the eye.
05:13Let's take the case of Jimmy Barnes.
05:15Jimmy played baseball all afternoon and he didn't feel like walking home, so he decided to thumb a ride.
05:22There's this fascinating film that came out called Boys Beware.
05:27It's kind of a classic old movie from the 60s, warning kids not to get in cars with older men because they might be homosexuals.
05:37What Jimmy didn't know was that Ralph was sick.
05:40A sickness that was not visible like smallpox, but no less dangerous and contagious.
05:46A sickness of the mind.
05:48You see, Ralph was a homosexual.
05:53The film completely conflates being a pedophile and being a homosexual together as if they're one and the same thing.
06:00And we kind of watch it now and think, oh God, the language they're using is terrible and it's very anti-gay.
06:07But one of the most remarkable things about it is just this hitchhiking culture of just hitching a ride home with whoever picks you up and the vulnerabilities with that.
06:18If you're going from Kentucky, you might be able to exist in a small town as a queer person, but you wouldn't have any real sense of community there.
06:26And so L.A. or New York, but especially L.A., there's this big, giant community that is just coming out of the shadows.
06:36And things you only imagined happening to yourself are just a bus ticket away.
06:44And that is very alluring at that time.
06:47If all you have is your bus ticket and a little change in your pocket, then you have to figure out how to live and how to survive.
06:56Because of the public attitude towards gay people, a lot of young men that came out to their families would get thrown out of the house.
07:07And so they'd be living on the streets.
07:12They were young, they were in their teens, so they couldn't get a job, they couldn't find work.
07:17So a lot of them would resort to prostitution, hustling, which made them vulnerable to a lot of dangers.
07:25By the early 1970s, we're seeing a rash of what looked like random murders, opportunity murders.
07:49Young men picked up along the highway or in bars or just on the street, murdered, and then their bodies dumped.
08:00It was really a disturbing trend.
08:04As the body count started to increase, these corpses found along freeways in trash bags, industrial trash bags.
08:14Are these connected? Is there one person responsible for all of these dead bodies around the Southern California freeways?
08:26Well, it began for me when I was out in Riverside in Banning, which is an outlying area halfway between LA and Palm Springs.
08:33The sheriff's department came in with some evidence they wanted to look at.
08:39They were suspicious that they had some connected homicides.
08:44All men, all nude, most if not all, shot in the head with a .22 caliber bullet.
08:54It is the desert and some of these bodies were dismembered and found in heavy-duty thick plastic bags with drawstrings.
09:05Not the kind you buy at the grocery store.
09:12The media started dubbing him the trash bag killer.
09:15So often you find multiple murder victims who do have something in common.
09:31They may know one another.
09:32They may live in the same neighborhood.
09:33That was not the case here.
09:35These are young men who lived all across Southern California.
09:38And gradually investigators began to put together characteristics that they did have in common.
09:46Many of them were teens, early 20s.
09:49They were perceived to be gay, if not gay.
09:53Los Angeles has never had a good metropolitan transportation area.
09:59You can't get on a subway here and be somewhere in 20 minutes like you can in any other major city.
10:05You know, the bus system, you know, it's just not conducive.
10:10So back in those days, carefree, you thumb the ride.
10:16And people would hop in, pick up trucks, cars, whatever, it didn't matter.
10:23I am the youngest of seven.
10:25I had older brothers and sisters that I could see as I looked back as I got older.
10:30Yeah, they were part of that hippie era.
10:33John is number five out of the seven.
10:36He's eight years older than me.
10:38He was into the party scene, smoking pot and doing your drinking and going out with your buddies to do that.
10:46Again, that was like the influence of the time.
10:50John, my brothers and sisters all did the hitchhiking thing.
10:53There are a lot of things that can go wrong, the worst of which would be that you thumbed a ride, got into a van with a serial killer.
11:06The bodies are found.
11:12They're sometimes along highways.
11:17But there's nothing found around them, just the body.
11:20There's no evidence.
11:21And then we realized they weren't killed there.
11:24They were killed at some other location.
11:26And their body is just dumped somewhere.
11:28That causes a real problem for the police department.
11:32Because who investigates a homicide?
11:35It's where the crime occurred, where the killing occurred.
11:39Where the bodies were found is not where they were killed.
11:45Some of the bodies were up in Malibu.
11:47They were in Ventura.
11:48Some places in San Bernardino.
11:52We say Southern California as if it's one place.
11:55And it is in the sense of expanse.
11:58But it's not in terms of police and how they regard this.
12:02In the county of Los Angeles alone, back then you would have had at least five dozen cities in different jurisdictions.
12:09Different police, sheriff's departments, investigators.
12:12All of them divided up according to their political boundaries, their city limits.
12:18And not necessarily talking to one another or comparing notes about these bodies that were turning up all over the place.
12:29By the mid-1970s, law enforcement knew they had to get together and compare notes on these victims.
12:35The detectives came together in Orange County and started discussing the commonality between these cases.
12:45There were definite patterns.
12:48They were all shot.
12:49They were shot above the temple in the back of the head.
12:52He just used a little .22 Derringer, shoot him on the left side of their head with a .22 Derringer that had a right-hand twist.
13:00The twist on the caliber is just another piece of evidence that they're all the same.
13:06The left side of the head was important because it indicates a right-handed person.
13:10Derringers hold two shots.
13:13And it may sound like it's small and, oh, what damage can that do?
13:17But they take these long-range .22 caliber rifle rounds, really, and if you get the hollow-point version, it causes a tremendous amount of damage at close range.
13:30This is why Derringers would be so effective if you're trying to surprise someone and kill them.
13:36Detectives deal with rotten people all the time, but not of this magnitude.
13:40I mean, how guys like this exist, I don't know.
13:43He had sex with these men sometimes before, oftentimes after he killed them.
13:53He would cut orifices in their body and have sex with them.
13:57He would remove their pubic hair on occasion, experiment with them.
14:02There was no evidence of physical torture.
14:06They were all post-mortem wounds.
14:08He would hit these bodies after they were dead, wouldn't hit them beforehand.
14:14He somehow was able to dismember and, as the autopsy surgeon said, disarticulate because it was expertly done.
14:28Most people would not be able to do that very neatly.
14:33He did it like a surgeon, like a butcher.
14:36He knew exactly where the joints were, how to cut and take apart these bodies.
14:42The pattern started to emerge and detectives started thinking, uh-oh, we have a serial killer.
14:55Investigators in Riverside County are still going over the records of eight murder cases,
14:59which may be the start of a bloody trail of 40 or more homosexual killings.
15:03Mutilated remains of five young men have been found in three other counties since 1975.
15:08John was, I would say, a bit different.
15:15He was artsy, very internal, introspective.
15:21I have a brother that's six years older than me, and then John's two years older than him.
15:26I did share a room with John and Joe, which, trust me, that wasn't great at times.
15:31Trying to scare me at night, you know.
15:34I remember the flashlight on the ceiling and the, ah, you know.
15:38He had the most problems.
15:40I think my parents, I would say, seemed like they had the most trouble with him
15:44because he was always threatening to run away.
15:46There was a lot of tension.
15:48I remember that between my mom and dad and John as a teenager.
15:52You know, because I was sharing a room.
15:53I remember them being in the room and just threatening to leave.
15:56I do remember the last time I saw him.
15:59My parents were gone.
16:00He was kind of in charge of me along with my other brother.
16:03John fed me a hot dog.
16:06I knew that he was supposed to get me dinner before he goes anywhere.
16:10And then Joe was there, remembers my brother getting picked up.
16:15And that's a memory I have pretty distinctly.
16:20I remember being at home, sitting in the living room.
16:23And I could see mom and dad were upset because John did not come home the night before.
16:29Because that's unusual.
16:30Even with his partying, you know, we'd always come home at night.
16:34And so they woke up to him not being there.
16:37And, of course, I'm seeing this and they're panicked.
16:40The next thing I know, my dad's on the phone with the police department
16:44and reporting him missing.
16:46You know, we have a missing 17-year-old son.
16:48So I remember that scared me.
16:50I remember this is not right.
16:52Even though I knew there was tension in the relationship.
16:54Part of my thought maybe back then was maybe he finally actually did run away.
16:57Because I remember him always threatening that.
17:07For the detectives, the list was just getting longer and longer.
17:13And by this time, the body count was alarming.
17:16Somebody's doing this.
17:18He's loose.
17:19He's doing a lot of them.
17:20It's dangerous.
17:22This became such a matter of concern that a local newspaper offered a reward of $2,000,
17:28which doesn't sound like much now, but a considerable amount then.
17:32He spent $2,000 for the arrest and conviction of whoever had picked up, murdered, mutilated,
17:40dismembered these young men.
17:43There was Ronald Dean Smith, Jr.
17:45He was just five years old.
17:47They found his body in October 1974.
17:51A medical examiner ruled that he had been suffocated.
17:55Larry Gene Walters, 20, killed October 31, 1975, found less than two weeks later.
18:02Again, shot, dismembered in a trash bag.
18:06Michael Craig McGee, just 13, in June 1976, shot in the back of the head, sodomized, dismembered.
18:14Wilfred Lawrence Faherty, 20 years old, killed in August of 76, shot in the back of the head.
18:23Detectives were tearing their hair out at this point.
18:26And then all of a sudden, a break.
18:3418th of March, 1977, another body is found.
18:38This near Corona, California.
18:40That is in Riverside County.
18:42It's missing its head.
18:44It's missing its hands.
18:45It's been sodomized post-mortem.
18:47His body was found in a large trash bag and a barrel.
18:52And it was at a rest stop.
18:54And they started asking around.
19:01The next day, it was pretty quick.
19:03It wasn't a long time in between.
19:05And I remember when my dad got a call back from probably the police department at that point.
19:11I'm only hearing, I'm only seeing my dad on the phone.
19:13And hearing him.
19:14And I just hear him repeat back what they said.
19:18That he might be dead.
19:22That's kind of what I remember hearing.
19:24Like, what do you mean dead?
19:26Just something like that.
19:27Just the way he responded.
19:29By then, maybe looking back, they actually maybe found somebody.
19:35And, but they didn't want to say for sure this was him until they did some investigative work.
19:41You know, which was having my parents, you know, basically go down to the police department.
19:46In Corona.
19:48Give blood tests.
19:50And identify a birthmark.
19:52That my brother did have.
19:54Which was found.
19:56When they found a body.
19:58My family overnight changed.
20:06There was safety.
20:07There was freedom.
20:08There was fun.
20:09We're loving.
20:10We're hanging out.
20:11And then John's murder made victims of us all.
20:15And I can imagine.
20:16As I got older.
20:17And what guilt they might have felt.
20:19In not having better tabs on their son.
20:22You know, he's 17.
20:23It was a different time.
20:24But again, you're in El Segundo and everything.
20:26Everything should be free and fine.
20:28But, you know, I thought about that later.
20:30And the guilt that was probably going on as well.
20:33That they didn't watch out for him.
20:36As a kid, I'm not being told anything.
20:38Which I think was a bad thing.
20:39Because I never got sat down.
20:41This is what's going on.
20:42And I get it.
20:43My parents were in a frenzy.
20:46I know John was murdered.
20:49And John knew him.
20:52I knew that pretty early on.
20:53That it wasn't just some stranger that picked up John.
20:56This person actually built a kind of a relationship with John.
21:00Before this even happened.
21:05Once they have a name.
21:06Police can start working backwards.
21:08To his friends.
21:09To LeMay's friends.
21:10His family.
21:11Who he met.
21:12When he may have met them.
21:13They said.
21:14He told them.
21:15He was going to Redondo Beach.
21:17Which is.
21:18Just to the west of Corona.
21:20To meet.
21:21Two people.
21:22Named Pat and Dave.
21:28This is when.
21:29They started looking closer.
21:31At Patrick Kearney.
21:32They go to interview Patrick Kearney.
21:46And.
21:47His roommate and.
21:48Lover.
21:49Dave Hill.
21:50Well we're down.
21:51Northern Redondo Beach.
21:52One of the nicest areas.
21:53Of the Los Angeles area.
21:54And.
21:55This is.
21:56Robinson Street.
21:57Patrick Kearney.
21:58Lived here.
21:59He bought the house.
22:00In 1969.
22:01He never.
22:02Did much.
22:03Uh.
22:04He was.
22:05Very quiet.
22:06And.
22:07We had people who.
22:08Worked here.
22:09There was a little.
22:10A little.
22:11Store here.
22:12He would come across here.
22:13And he would.
22:14Ask the man.
22:15About knives.
22:16He wanted to buy knives.
22:17And he wanted to know.
22:18What was good steel.
22:19And.
22:20He would come to the market.
22:21But he never bought the knives.
22:22But the owner of the.
22:23Store always wondered.
22:24Why was he interested in knives.
22:27Well.
22:28Now we know.
22:29That he had to.
22:30Cut up a lot of bodies.
22:31And chop a lot of bones.
22:32But the owner of the.
22:33Store always wondered.
22:34Why was he interested in knives.
22:35Well.
22:36Now we know.
22:37That he had to.
22:38and chop a lot of bones and he needed a strong knife that would be able to dissect people
22:44we went to his house it wasn't a gaily lit what bright open sunny house it was dark a little bit
22:55showing its age in terms of cleanliness and maybe this is just my imagination but when i went in
23:01there it felt oppressive the police interviewed him do you know john lemay where has he been
23:07who else has he been seen with have you seen him lately kearney denies knowing lemay doesn't
23:12admit to any connection with the teenager police officers notice that the carpet is green and they
23:22know there's green fibers found on some of these bags one of the officers scuffs his feet on the
23:30carpet another officer pets a dog and takes some hair those things match so now they're
23:40focused on patrick kearney on that team is face bringer a criminalist myself two police officers
23:49and some uniformed officers
23:51and they gather up lots of different evidence face bringer goes to the vacuum cleaner immediately
23:59empties its contents she finds a hacksaw she sprays luminol in the bathroom sees evidence of blood
24:06there's a deteriorating faucet with chrome plating being flaked off she recalls that one of the bags
24:18containing a body not john lemay had similar shiny little pieces of metal she's thinking maybe there's
24:25a connection they find a stash of my pro plastic bags with drawstrings at the house these aren't
24:37useful for anything other than heavy industrial type work
24:42and we did a search warrant for kearney's house so we go to the house to execute the search warrant
24:49and patrick kearney is gone he's disappeared
25:00and that's when the warrants were issued for the rest of both of them
25:11pat kearney was born in east los angeles in 1939 just as the war in europe was beginning
25:18he wasn't the most robust kid when he grew up kids picked on him bullied him a few called him queer
25:24and supposedly he had fantasies about skinning people sick distorted fantasies
25:32his dad he claimed was kind of an absent dad wasn't really participating much in his life mom was good
25:39but mom was more paying attention to dad but he had two siblings that were normal and had good careers
25:46one was an army officer allegedly his father taught him how to shoot he was very very proficient at
25:53killing because as a child he had learned the best way to kill a pig instantly is to shoot him right in
26:01the head near the ear and he had learned if you do that the person would there would not be any resistance
26:08from that point on he ended up moving to texas for a while and came back and started work at hughes
26:15aircraft by then los angeles was an immense powerhouse of the defense industry and the aircraft industry and
26:23so he found a job pretty quickly which to me means that he had some intelligence and some work ethic
26:29about him hughes aircraft was a an early manufacturer uh had lots of different divisions so i think he had
26:37to have someone uh himself on on the ball to get a job and hold a job like that in the process he would
26:45meet various people uh and he had a gay partner david hill he met when he was in texas and they both
26:54came back to redondo beach area lived in the beach area as a couple and as time went by uh they had
27:05you know differences and sometimes david hill would leave and then carney would be on his own
27:12at that time he would start trolling driving around he had a vw
27:18having grown up in east los angeles he also spoke spanish and this and his knowledge of latino culture
27:25he supposedly used to his advantage when he was cruising around in gay neighborhoods from tijuana
27:31up to southern california he would pick up hitchhikers anybody he could find young male and entice him
27:39into his car his little vw drive him around and then he would reach into the back and pull out a 22 caliber
27:49derringer and when the person had turned his head to the right he would shoot him right in the side of
27:56the head at the temple which made it kind of strange you shoot a person in your car now what
28:01are you going to do with them he would drive to an isolated area pull over and then have sexual
28:09relations necrophilia which was kind of strange why would a person do that what is the satisfaction
28:16they're gaining out of that uh is it because he's killed a person who he thinks could have been a bully to
28:22him is there a sexual reason why he does commit these crimes that was his mo and he would do it
28:30time and time again pick up either a hitchhiker or somebody near a gay community have them sit in the
28:37car and then when they weren't looking he would shoot him in the head patrick carney opened his house
28:43to these young men so it was known in the gay community that patrick was and david hill his roommate
28:51were gay and would welcome people over and so it would not be unusual for him to be entertaining
28:57young men in his house not all of which he killed of course he was not strong enough to overpower some
29:06of his victims which is why he shot them but afterwards he would beat their bodies mutilate their
29:11bodies violate their bodies in a necrophilic fashion as a kind of punishment after death for the things that
29:20he had suffered growing up pat kearney was of a pre-war generation and was very closeted and also lived
29:31in a time when to be gay was in itself regarded as a sick a criminal offense a lot of gay people grow up
29:41with a lot of internalized self-loathing and even if you come to accept yourself you have this internal
29:48struggle that you've been picked on you've been bullied you've been afraid of yourself because of
29:54your own feelings i mean up until 1973 being gay was considered a mental illness so if you're growing
30:01up before that time and look it up in a book you think god this means i'm sick it means i should go to
30:07a doctor and you internalize this and he might have this sense that by killing other men and other
30:15gay men in particular he might be killing the gayness in himself the thing that strikes me about
30:22patrick wayne carney is how careful at least in the early years of killing that he was he would remove
30:31the bullet from his victim in order not to allow it to be traced to his gun and he would take other
30:38measures uh you know clean things off so that fingerprints uh would not be apparent and and it
30:45wouldn't be tracked to him so he seemed to be smarter than maybe the average serial killer at least at
30:53first but as his pace increased in killing things happen and and you get sloppy and you leave more clues
31:02he was an electrical engineer and he paid attention to details and tried not to leave clues that would
31:11make it easy for detectives to find him that's a cold-hearted dispassionate dangerous uh obviously uh
31:22personality there's no way to tell he's not an enraged person he's not attacking and violently
31:30doing he's sneaky he sneaks up behind his victims they don't know what's coming he doesn't torture them
31:36he doesn't beat them until they're dead and that kind of fit with his personality kind of quiet and
31:41unassuming nobody at hughes aircraft had any idea that he was this monster
31:46it was the next day that patrick carney went over to uh hughes aircraft and he resigned he he left and
32:02he got his paycheck his last paycheck he and david hill headed to texas and they ended up in el paso texas
32:12the reason they left was because they knew at the interview the police were getting close
32:17there's nationwide bulletins the fbi most wanted list every law enforcement agency in the country has
32:27got the paperwork on them and then they were contacted by their relatives and said hey you
32:33can work this out it can be worked out it just uh come back talk to the police you know explain what
32:39happened and they did they came back and what was interesting about that they came back to the
32:46riverside headquarters of the sheriff's department they went in there to have the reception area and
32:53they said to the desk uh officer we're here to turn ourselves in to talk to the police and they pointed
33:01to a poster on the wall and said that's us to be honest with you it was quite surprised it's a hot
33:09afternoon i get a call hey uh we've got patrick carney and david hill okay well how did that happen i
33:16mean if you were on one and you were chasing him down how come i wasn't informed what the what what's
33:21going on here and obviously no one knew what was happening they just walked in and turned themselves
33:27in the interview takes place within 15 or 20 minutes we start we record it he's advised of his
33:36rights i was able to interview him for hours two men patrick carney and david hill wanted for
33:49questioning and two murders surrendered here last friday officers also wanted to talk to them about
33:53five other similar killings mutilated remains of five young men have been found in three other counties
33:59since 1975. but sheriff ben clark says the two led his investigators to believe the suspects may be
34:05responsible for 30 to 40 killings the sheriff isn't sure the final toll will be that high
34:10i didn't know what to expect he presents himself as uh mild-mannered he's just quiet reserved um
34:21polite and it's a little bit frightening
34:24he has nothing about his facade that would give you any inkling at all that he's invites young men
34:38over to his house puts a derringer to their head kills them unbeknownst to them catching them by surprise
34:46according to him almost monthly basis during the last couple of years
34:50the agreement was and these are tough decisions carney said okay you take the death penalty off the
34:59table and i'll tell you where all the bodies are so the prosecutor had a tough decision for the
35:07families of all those victims and we're talking a lot 20 30 40 is it beneficial to get the remains
35:15of all of those victims so they can be buried properly uh how the family would like it to be
35:22done or should you go for the death penalty the decision was made by the district attorney of san
35:28burdino and the other locations okay it would be fine to take the death penalty off the table allow him to
35:35plead guilty patrick carney started to sing he sang about the whole thing from the beginning
35:46the purpose of my being at the interview was mostly an expected but not forthcoming insanity defense so i
35:57wanted to find out if that was that was really a viable issue with him my doubt was erased immediately
36:05during the interview when i asked him about the first one he did when he described the first body
36:11that he had disposed of the first one he killed he said the guy's name was george and i dumped him off
36:19in van nuys avenue and buried him under a garage 15 years ago
36:24he drew us a map of where the body supposedly was well obviously the interview is being recorded the
36:34lapd is on the way to dig this thing up within minutes unbeknownst to him and they went to this
36:41garage they looked they had the map and they found a box of bones with a skull
36:49that had hacksaw blade marks in it carney described the fact that he'd taken the bullet
36:54out of the man's skull with the axel that gave him some credibility in terms of him claiming to have
37:01killed so many people and when you ask him well patrick what why would you have sex with the body
37:08afterwards he says well there's no reasonable explanation for that you know i understand it's
37:13kind of bizarre and he gives a per perfectly rational answer the fact that he's so nonchalant about it
37:23is scary we had the mcnaughton test back then for insanity and it basically is knowing right from wrong
37:34wrong he absolutely knew right from wrong he he was embarrassed by it he was a little bit
37:40reluctant to talk about the details of his sexual behavior because of that and he says sometimes i did
37:46it didn't do it sometimes uh i got mad and did it and sometimes i i didn't do it so he could control
37:52his actions legally defining somebody insane is different than what you and i say there's something
38:00wrong with that guy everybody would agree there's something wrong with that it's so out of touch with
38:08normal human behavior but to meet the legal definition of insanity pretty tough
38:17he kept his word he showed where all the bodies were now not all the bodies were found because some of
38:24them were not necessarily put in trash bags some were buried john lemay was found without a head
38:33hands or feet and those were never found patrick carney later told us that we would never find those
38:40because he put them in commercial trash bins at mcdonald's and wendy's and once they're gone off to
38:45the trash as patrick carney said they spend millions of dollars getting rid of that you'll never find them
38:51i knew that he was dumped on the side of a highway i knew john was murdered i didn't realize
38:59who he was really murdered by and the scope of this man was 15 years of of doing this and getting
39:07away with it and do it so methodically to cut the hands off and the head off so that they couldn't
39:14actually identify him with fingerprints i couldn't believe anybody that could do something so evil
39:21at the same time that these trash bag murders were being committed kearney was in a long-term
39:32relationship not necessarily monogamous but a long-term relationship cohabiting when this was for a
39:37period of almost 10 years and hill evidently had no part and no knowledge of anything that was going
39:45on that kearney was doing as this violent serial killer we know that he shot mr lemay in his own house
39:55but what happened after that how he concealed this life from his lover the man he was living with for so
40:02many years is a mystery patrick confessed to everything and had a credible confession pointing
40:12out somebody that he had killed 15 years ago and buried no one knew anything about it and hill denied
40:18anything and carne said that hill had nothing to do with it and didn't know was gone for sometimes for
40:24weeks at a time maybe he suspected but he didn't know sounds pretty incredible to me that you wouldn't
40:32know but having knowledge of it and participating in it and having to prove it are two different things
40:39i mean and grand jury didn't indict him there wasn't sufficient evidence connecting him
40:45patrick carney's charged with first degree murder in riverside he and his attorney have an argument
40:56over how to proceed and he had him examined wants to put forth a mental defense but patrick wouldn't do
41:02it and he did not want to he's to to claim that he was insane or he had diminished capacity or he
41:08couldn't control his actions i don't think he would have won on that anyway we brought him back to
41:13court he pled guilty and then went to each county and pled guilty to all the ones that law enforcement
41:19could document and make sure that he was the one it wasn't just random really nilly there's 50 bodies
41:25and let's just tag him with everything you've got to be careful about it was a difficult thing to do
41:30a lot of them were not absolutely identified by forensic means some of them i mean they were so old
41:37they're nothing but bones we have missing persons reports we know patrick carney said these are the
41:43people i killed and he confessed that's why we ended up he says quite credibly 30 to 40 men
41:53he killed and pled guilty to 21. he sentenced to consecutive sentences he went to san quentin
42:02there he sat quietly he never appealed anything he just served his time i received one letter from
42:10him he hinted at wanting to play chess i remember my mom saying that the one thing she's thankful for
42:20in all of this that came out was that john's death caught this monster you can imagine the task force
42:28opened the champagne said thank goodness that's over we have taken care of this monster who has been
42:36dumping bodies along the freeways after murdering them there was such a relief it was over the community
42:44is safe however more bodies are showing up
42:49and then more bodies turn up and yet more bodies and you can imagine what they were thinking could we
43:01have two people like this out there this is the 33rd killing of the same type in the last few months
43:07if they thought that it was over well they were wrong because the madness was just beginning
43:20the bodies just kept piling up at a very disturbing frequency this killer was relentless young hitchhiking
43:29kids are being picked up raped strangled and dumped naked there's no evidence left behind today the nude
43:38body of a teenage boy was found propped up against a back alley door he had been choked to death a witness
43:44said she saw a hitchhiker gassed and pulled into a van they showed us a board they were probably 45
43:50names at least on this chart and it was titled southern california homosexual murders they hadn't solved
43:56the freeway murders
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