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Explores Wagner's presence across several continents, with a deep dive into the group's operations, personalities and modus operandi.
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00:00We turn now to something called the Wagner Group.
00:17The Wagner Group, a shadowy security firm linked to Yevgeny Prigoznik,
00:22a powerful oligarch known as Putin's chef.
00:25They're not actually soldiers, they're mercenaries.
00:28They're known as the orchestra of Wagner, or just as the musician.
00:35Wagner — это миф, который был придуман журналистами.
00:38Называть Wagner, Mozart, Schubert, Chopin, Stravinsky.
00:42Moscow has long denied Wagner's presence,
00:45giving the Russian government the ability to deny and avoid direct official involvement.
00:49How did you hear about the opportunity to join Wagner?
00:53Prigoznik.
00:54If he promised freedom, it would be a sin.
00:59A growing list of alleged atrocities committed by the mercenaries with an expanding global footprint.
01:05The Wagner Group used to be an organization which traded in secrecy and operated in the shadows.
01:11A major development.
01:12As a convoy of Wagner mercenaries heading for the Russian capital.
01:15Vladimir Putin may have gotten his revenge.
01:18A corporate jet plummeting from the sky.
01:20Whether he's dead or not, Prigoznik's certainly dead in his future in Russian politics.
01:25In this bunker, just two miles from the Ukrainian border with Russia,
01:49battalion 228 hunts for Russian infiltrators.
01:52They monitor the border, map out coordinates, and then feed that information to ground troops.
02:09Most of these guys are volunteers, they're using commercially available drones.
02:15On the screen over here, they're actually using a Google call to talk to the drone operator.
02:20Today, they're trying to take out soldiers from the Russian army.
02:24But weeks ago, they had another target.
02:26Operatives from the notorious mercenary group Wagner.
02:30Most of the world knows the Wagner Group as the brutal mercenaries deployed in the invasion of Europe.
03:00But they've been the Kremlin's covert weapon of choice for nearly 10 years.
03:06Their ranks were originally made up of mostly elite ex-special forces.
03:10Starting in eastern Ukraine in 2014, then quietly deployed around the world to advance Russia's military and political agenda.
03:19Take off.
03:20First, they sell military services to foreign governments.
03:24Once they're in, Wagner starts shady businesses to turn a profit off the country's resources.
03:30Everywhere they've gone, they've left a trail of severe human rights abuses.
03:35Even though Wagner's current mission in Ukraine is in the headlines, it's an outlier from their global operations.
03:42They were deployed here when the invasion depleted the Russian army, forcing President Putin to call on Wagner,
03:48who in turn recruited thousands of prisoners to wear down the Ukrainians.
03:52In this part of eastern Ukraine, you can tell there's been a lot of heavy fighting recently.
04:05We're just near the front line where Ukrainian troops are trying to hold two key towns from falling to the Russians, mainly to Wagner soldiers.
04:12For months, Ukrainian forces and Russian troops backed by Wagner were locked in a grinding fight for Vahhmud.
04:20Can you tell me about the day that you captured the Wagner fighters?
04:34This is you just here?
04:35Yes, I'm clear.
04:36As you're approaching, what are you feeling?
04:40What were you saying to him here?
04:47We've heard about two levels of Wagner.
05:06One, these sort of special operatives, and the second level, all of these prison recruits.
05:12Do you know which one of those guys who you captured were?
05:17The soldiers captured by Battalion 108 were former convicts.
05:23The man who led the prison recruitment campaign was Wagner founder and financier Evgeny Purgosian.
05:29This prison yard was the first time Purgosian, once a convict himself publicly admitted his connection with Wagner.
05:44For years, Purgosian outright denied the group's existence and even sued people who suggested he was behind it.
05:51But he's actually been a Kremlin insider for nearly 30 years, landing lucrative contracts with the government,
05:57ultimately becoming known as Putin's chef.
06:02Early Wagner recruit, Nurat Gabidoulin was the first former member to speak publicly about the group and has since fled to France.
06:08He briefly served as Purgosian's personal assistant.
06:30What is Purgosian's personality like?
06:33He's an arithmic, creative, a very massive thinking person.
06:39He's 100% convinced in the right position of the position of patriotic view of his country,
06:50which he took for himself.
06:52He's an arithmic, a person who is in the closest neighborhood of the President of the country, Putin.
06:58He's a strong man, he's a strong man, he's a strong man, he's a strong man, he's a strong man, he's a strong man, he's a strong man, he's a strong man.
07:05With around 10,000 contractors already deployed in Africa and the Middle East,
07:11Purgosian's prison recruiting spree ballooned their ranks up to 50,000.
07:15After weeks of negotiations, intelligence officials agreed to let us talk to two Wagner prison recruits
07:39captured in eastern Ukraine. Both say they were recruited by Pergosian himself.
07:45They spoke to us of their own will, but were watched the entire time by Ukrainian intelligence.
07:56How long into your jail sentence did you decide to join PODMAR?
08:04What were you in prison for?
08:15How did you hear about the opportunity to join PODMAR when you were in prison?
08:25What kind of things did he promise you?
08:39What was your impression of Pergosian when he came to the prison?
08:55Were you impressed by him?
08:56Were you impressed by him?
08:57Were you impressed by him?
08:58Were you impressed by him?
09:00He seemed leader, but he has an order, also the hero of the Russian people.
09:07Were you impressed by him?
09:09Not at all.
09:10I was more impressed by what he was saying, but not what he was saying.
09:14But what he has is the power of the highest-holds and the president.
09:18Well, he was just talking about the war.
09:20He showed a video about how he was shooting,
09:23and they hit the head with a bullet.
09:25Well, such nonsense.
09:27What did he say about Wagner's missions in places like Africa and Syria?
09:43There's been a lot of reports that specifically the prisoners who were recruited into Wagner
09:49are being used as cannon fodder.
09:51Is that how you felt?
09:57There's been a lot of reports that we can't stop back.
10:00We have to take it back.
10:02What are you thinking about Wagner's strategy?
10:07I didn't think about Wagner's strategy at that moment.
10:11I thought, I don't know, how to survive.
10:14What happened on the day that you were captured?
10:17I didn't think so.
10:18We controlled one point.
10:20We were attacked by a point.
10:21We did part one point.
10:22So half of the group did the team a three-fOST.
10:25And the commander of the group said,
10:29went to the command.
10:30We were waiting for the attack.
10:31We appeared to have the sniper.
10:33We took one group.
10:34And took it from a sniper.
10:36We managed to defend the weapon two officers.
10:38And we met two hours.
10:39We took them to work until theerman.
10:40and we didn't take it.
10:41The Ukrainian military came from the right side,
10:44shot at the leg.
10:46I turned around and said,
10:47all right, let's go.
10:48I didn't have any options to do anything.
10:51I said, I'll just go, let's go.
10:53Are you scared at all about being sent back to Russia?
10:57What Wagner might do, knowing that you were in detention here?
11:10In the end, he wasn't exchanged for a Ukrainian prisoner of war.
11:18Months later, he appeared in a Ukrainian propaganda video
11:21claiming to have defected to their side.
11:27Prigozhin took to Telegram and threatened his life.
11:40On the other side of the front line,
11:54Ukrainian soldier Oleksandr Makarevich
11:56was captured in the fighting near Bakhmut
11:59and held by Wagner as a prisoner of war
12:01in the basement of a converted shoe factory for 108 days.
12:106th June, when I fell down,
12:13I stood up near me in the middle of the war.
12:18They were placed on their knees,
12:19took all the documents, phones,
12:22and connected with us.
12:24The first thing I did was to go with my life.
12:29Then they moved from one point to another,
12:33on their own occupations, on their blindages.
12:35Each seat, which we used to do,
12:38constantly was killed.
12:40Then we were sent to their staff,
12:43where they were in detention.
12:47One of my friends, right in detention,
12:49they were killed.
12:51Did you know who it was who had captured you?
12:55They immediately said that
12:56we are a regular army of Russia,
12:59we are a Wagner's orchestra.
13:01The first thing they said is that
13:03we will kill each other.
13:05Why do you think they were telling you that they were Wagner?
13:23What kind of information were they trying to get out of you
13:25during the interrogations?
13:27Where did you keep your spirits up?
13:29How did you keep your spirits up?
13:39What are you thinking about Svetlana?
13:45Can you tell me about the day that you were released?
13:59Can you tell me about the day that you were released?
14:03What was it like when you guys first saw each other again?
14:21How are you feeling now, three months later?
14:49We're learning about new tensions in Russian forces on the front line.
15:03Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin says his mercenaries are moving out.
15:07Wagner's exit could mark a turning point in one of the bloodiest battles in Europe
15:11since World War II.
15:13Prigozhin may have claimed victory in Bakhmut,
15:15but they paid a heavy price for deviating from a model they had spent years developing.
15:20A small footprint with a big financial payoff.
15:24The first time Wagner was able to make money was in Syria,
15:27where they were deployed to fight ISIS,
15:29protect oil fields, and keep dictator Bashar al-Assad in power.
15:33Prigozhin negotiated a 25% cut of revenue from each oil refinery they protected.
15:38Did you get the sense that he was motivated more by making money there,
15:49or by winning on the battlefield?
15:51Prigozhin made the sense that he was able to make money.
16:08One of their most defining battles was a four-hour standoff with their Syrian allies
16:15against 40 American troops near a gas refinery. Dozens of Wagner members were killed.
16:20But at the time, Russia still denied their existence.
16:24Prigozhin made the sense that he was able to make money.
16:45Despite major missteps and casualties in Syria,
16:49Wagner bosses continued to pitch their model to leaders under pressure.
16:52You don't forget that these governments,
16:55all of whom he cooperates, are dictatorsers themselves.
17:00They provide stability in their position,
17:04stability in their power.
17:06Africa is a hot water.
17:09There is always someone to fight.
17:22The Central African Republic is Wagner's most successful and entrenched model.
17:30A few hundred Russian mercenaries arrived here in 2018.
17:34And today, Wagner and Russia are CAR's closest allies.
17:39It was part of a legitimate UN-approved deal to allow Russian military trainers to work with
17:44Central African soldiers to fight rebel insurgencies.
17:49This is one of their training bases.
17:51And here, instead of Wagner, they insisted we call them instructors.
17:56Vitaly Parvilev is the head of the contractors in the Central African Republic,
18:00and the top security advisor to the president.
18:05In January 2022, Vitaly agreed to show us their operations across the country,
18:09an unprecedented offer for a group that rejects most media coverage.
18:14Vice News remains the only team of Western journalists to date to embed with Wagner.
18:19Why now do you think it's important to show people what you're doing here?
18:24It's one of the main components of Russian presence.
18:26This is the main presence of Russian instructors.
18:29One of the main components of the training,
18:32the training, the training of soldiers,
18:35the work of the instructors,
18:36to show what they are doing,
18:38to show their cooperation with the armed forces of Central African Republic.
18:43For a long time, the Central African Army was unable to be able,
18:48to control the territory.
18:56The Central African Republic has been battered by a conflict
18:59that started as a sectarian war in 2012
19:02and morphed into fractured rebel groups fighting for diamonds and gold.
19:07Rebels have controlled at least three quarters of the country
19:10for most of the last decade.
19:12The national military hasn't been able to regain this territory
19:16even with a 15,000-strong UN peacekeeping force
19:20and training from the EU and French military.
19:22I saw you speak a bit of Russian yourself.
19:39Yes, since I was with the Russians, I started to speak a bit of Russians.
19:44They have lived a lot of experience.
19:46They took it and showed us it.
19:48And there is a real difference between the Russians and the Europeans.
19:54You have a lot of confidence in your new partner.
19:58Yes, but we have seen progress.
20:00You have a lot of confidence in your country.
20:02After just a few years on the ground,
20:04Wagner's presence turned the tide of the war.
20:07May God bless you.
20:08And the narrative of Russian success here helped legitimize Wagner
20:11in the eyes of other governments dealing with instability.
20:15Now they're cashing in on conflicts across Africa.
20:18In early 2021, when Carr's rebel groups circled the capital,
20:40threatening to overthrow the government,
20:42the Russians and their national army trainees were the most visible
20:45in pushing rebels back and in retaking major cities.
20:49President Fuadera's administration led the deepening of diplomatic ties with Russia
20:54and struck the deal for Wagner to operate.
20:57Five years later, their ranks have quadrupled in size.
21:01Russia has unseated France as the main international partner.
21:05And Vitaly has the ear of the president.
21:08Given all of the challenges you're facing,
21:10what do you say to countries like France, like the U.S.,
21:14who are critical of your military cooperation agreement with Russia?
21:35So do you think this criticism is unfair then?
21:37What is your own personal relationship?
21:50What's your working relationship like with your Russian security advisor?
21:55Vitaly, today, is my advisor in terms of security.
22:00Just to allow actions on the ground,
22:03we need to know exactly what's happening on the ground
22:07and with our defense forces.
22:15This relative security comes at a major human cost.
22:18There's widespread evidence they're responsible for arbitrary arrests,
22:23torture, and killing around the world.
22:26In CAR alone, we confirmed hundreds of incidents involving Russian contractors and trainees,
22:31including dozens of cases of rape.
22:35This brutality is intentional.
22:37Severe violence is used to terrify and control the population.
22:41Out of fear, one survivor asked us to hide her identity.
22:45This strategy of terror goes beyond population control.
23:09They also target civilians living in areas rich in resources.
23:13They get paid by the government in part with access to the country's vast gold and diamond mines.
23:18When new mines are discovered,
23:20Wagner fighters have been accused of violently chasing off local miners working there.
23:24In the town of Boyo, dozens of people were killed in one attempt to take over a mine.
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23:49and to change their lives, their families, and their families,
23:58and their families, and their families.
24:02And in the last 30s,
24:06this is the last 30s,
24:09and the last 30s,
24:12the population has passed,
24:15and the population has passed.
24:18With all the allegations of abuse,
24:28Vitaly wanted to emphasize their successes.
24:31He took us to the city of Bumbari,
24:33where Wagner has its second biggest base in the country
24:36and where Carr's biggest gold mine is found.
24:39It's also where dozens of human rights abuses
24:41have allegedly occurred.
24:45Vitaly wanted us to see this meeting in a central mosque,
24:47with local leaders who seemingly support their mission in Carr.
24:51You have Mr. Vitaly, right?
24:55Vitaly.
24:56He's a Russian.
24:57We have the chance to speak French, right?
25:00Hello everyone.
25:02I don't have a lot of things to say,
25:04but on the other hand,
25:06I can tell you that the Russian instructors who are here
25:08are always on your side,
25:11and always on your side of peace.
25:13Thanks to you,
25:14this year, 16 and 16 years old,
25:16we suffer a little.
25:18Even if there is an impact,
25:19it's not you who have caused this crisis.
25:23Most in the meeting were quick to praise the Russians
25:25for bringing stability.
25:27But their violence is effective in instilling fear.
25:30No one wanted to confront them,
25:32except for one lawyer.
25:34There are a lot of murders that happen.
25:36Even if we interpret an individual,
25:39we don't need to be executed.
25:41Even when I'm in the hospital,
25:42I'm worried about it.
25:43I ask that someone could come and take me and execute it.
25:49No, no, I'm not talking about you.
25:51I'm not talking about you.
25:52I'm not talking about you.
25:53I'm talking about the General Security Security.
25:54No, no, I'm not talking about you.
25:56I'm talking about the General Security Security.
25:58Because we're still trying to solve the security problems,
26:02and it's just to know who can come and take you.
26:06Excuse me.
26:08Mr. Considere, you're an attorney.
26:10You've seen how he did it.
26:11Wagner leaders, including Vitaly,
26:16dismiss these allegations of abuse.
26:19They insist they're not only protecting civilians,
26:21but also effectively neutralizing the rebels.
26:26As soon as we arrived here,
26:33the Russian contractors wanted to show us about 200 guys
26:37who they say are ex-rebels who have recently surrendered
26:40completely voluntarily, without a fight.
26:43We're not really sure what exactly they want us to do next.
26:48These men were recently Wagner's enemies on the battlefield.
26:51Suddenly, they were being trotted out for us.
26:54We were told to speak to Colonel Kiri,
26:56a former rebel with one of the groups
26:58trying to overthrow the government.
27:00He's now working with the Russians.
27:03We thank the Russian Federation,
27:06the Russian Federation and the Central African Army.
27:08I was in a group of Druani,
27:12and I was in a group of Druani,
27:13and I was in a group of Druani,
27:14and I was in a group of Druani.
27:16When you surrendered,
27:18who exactly were you surrendering to?
27:21Wagner.
27:23I was in a place of Warambida,
27:25and I was in a group of warambida,
27:27and I was in a group of warambida.
27:29I was in a group of Druani,
27:31and I was in a group of Druani,
27:32and I was in a group of Druani.
27:34But I was in a group of Druani.
27:36Okay.
27:37So the last question.
27:38The last question.
27:39So do you think that the men here
27:41also respect the Russian instructors?
27:44And maybe you can explain why these men here
27:46are wearing the Je suis Wagner t-shirts?
27:49Yeah.
27:50I have two hands.
27:51Pardon?
27:52We have a chain.
27:53Okay.
27:54Yes, please.
27:55It's a matter of security?
27:57Okay.
27:58Our host pulled Colonel Kiri out of the interview
28:00and cut it short,
28:01just after he referred to them as Wagner.
28:04Do you have asked Kiri how to return to Wagner?
28:07No, no.
28:08He told me that I took my arms to Wagner.
28:12And I told the Russian instructors.
28:15So that's a question for you.
28:17Because there are t-shirts here.
28:19What's that?
28:20Okay.
28:21But I hope there's no problem
28:23for Colonel Kiri to say that.
28:26But he said...
28:28I think it's better if you remove these two texts
28:31because he can have problems.
28:36Even though they claim to now be operating in the open,
28:39denial and deception are core to Wagner's identity.
28:43It's long been an open secret
28:44that it's Wagner operating here.
28:47But before Prigozhin admitted he was running the group,
28:50Russian contractors abroad were clearly instructed
28:52not to refer to themselves as Wagner.
28:55At the time, Vitaly didn't want to acknowledge,
28:58on camera at least,
28:59that the work he's doing was connected to the group.
29:03Wagner is a myth that was created by journalists.
29:08In fact, it doesn't matter how you call us.
29:11You can call us Wagner, Mozart, Schubert, Chopin, Strovinsky.
29:15Why, though, is it so sensitive to call these instructors Wagner?
29:26There is a lot of misinformation that is based on the sounds,
29:29on the complaints.
29:34We spent weeks in Carr with our Russian contacts.
29:37It was surprising they allowed us access in the first place.
29:40Scratching the surface beyond what Wagner wants you to know
29:43is nearly impossible, and it can be deadly.
29:47In 2018, three Russian journalists were murdered in Carr
29:50in the middle of their own investigation into Wagner.
29:54Petri and Vitaly just drove by us.
29:56Really?
29:57Yep.
29:58They just went in front of us?
30:00Yeah, in this, like, that white car.
30:02Did they look at us?
30:03I feel like he may have noticed you.
30:08They want us to know that they know what we're up to.
30:11When we tried to film without them, we were followed.
30:15We wanted to do an interview with a National Army trainee
30:17who said he witnessed Russian soldiers
30:19committing crimes against civilians.
30:22But as soon as we got there,
30:23armed men were waiting to arrest us.
30:26It was ultimately Vitaly himself who secured our release,
30:30but we suspected him of orchestrating the arrest.
30:38Even now that they operate in the open,
30:40the way they operate is intentionally opaque.
30:43It's hard to pin them down on their military strategy,
30:45business model, and their crimes.
30:49I'd like to ask you to respond to some of the allegations
30:52against Russian instructors here.
31:05Every time you get a report, you do a local investigation?
31:08Of course.
31:09When you've investigated all of these rumors,
31:12you haven't found one example where a Russian soldier
31:15has behaved badly towards a civilian.
31:18Not one?
31:19Not one.
31:20We spoke to two women who said they were raped
31:23by white armed men.
31:26They described their tattoos very clearly.
31:28I'm curious if you've investigated those cases.
31:31But you know, you've been here long enough to know that very few people have any faith in the trial.
31:38People hear that when they went to the authorities, then they got killed for sharing their story.
31:44So you can't just say to people that they should report this, they're afraid.
31:50But it's difficult to fake a rape test.
31:56But they're telling me they're very scared. And when you see Russians around,
32:02you can understand, they have masks on, you guys have big guns. Like, of course they're afraid.
32:08They're scared.
32:32But we can't start to be accused without the legal procedures.
32:36Despite the hundreds of human rights allegations,
32:46Wagner has become more geopolitically influential and even richer.
32:50Their setup is a hybrid model with missions sustained by payoffs from foreign governments,
32:55resource extraction, and funds from Russian authorities,
32:59including equipment from the Ministry of Defense.
33:02For years, these blurry lines served everyone.
33:05The Kremlin completely denied their existence while all along pumping money into their operations.
33:11Прогожин took credit as the financier, but Putin and the state were always behind it.
33:17It was written in this rhetoric that Прогожин uses.
33:21It's convenient. He said, I created it, I financed it.
33:25But in fact, he didn't create it.
33:27It's a joint project, a state project.
33:30It's practically a state project that organized by Пригожин and the Ministry of Defense.
33:36For a week of the war in Ukraine,
33:38he would have spent all his entire business for a week,
33:40he would have spent all his financial opportunities for a week.
33:44The KVK Wagner is part of the KVK Corporation.
33:47The Wagner Group was intentionally set up to enable criminal activity globally,
33:53with limited accountability and maximum deniability.
33:57Purgожin and his inner circle, including powerful oligarchs,
34:00built a sprawling, mafia-like network of shell companies
34:03to do business alongside Wagner's military operations.
34:07complex networks shields Wagner from international and domestic scrutiny,
34:12allowing the group to move money without getting caught.
34:16It all hinges on countries willing to facilitate
34:18both their logistics and finances.
34:21U.S. and U.K. government analysts say the UAE looks the other way,
34:25as Wagner-affiliated companies launder profits from Africa through Dubai.
34:31Shoygu, Kerasimov, where are the weapons?
34:37Look at them, s**t!
34:40Purgожin miscalculated his value to the Kremlin,
34:43taunting them throughout the battle for Bakhmut
34:45and then making the ultimate move,
34:47risking this entire network by trying to overthrow Putin.
34:52Officials in Moscow are taking emergency measures,
34:55as a convoy of Wagner mercenaries appears to be heading for the Russian capital.
34:59His attempted mutiny collapsed within 24 hours,
35:07and he quickly brokered a deal with Putin to escape to Belarus.
35:11Welcome to the Belarusian land!
35:16Thank you!
35:18We are ready!
35:19We are ready!
35:20We are ready!
35:21We are ready!
35:22We are ready!
35:23We have the same time to be!
35:25We are ready!
35:26We are ready!
35:27We are ready!
35:27We are ready!
35:28We are ready!
35:29Today, our madre happens to the popular city of the United States.
35:30We are ready!
35:31The black and predictable city of the United States,
35:33the抗議 of the United States,
35:35our신ry U.S. and the L.S. and the L.S.
35:36I would like to wish all the luck and success,
35:39protect each other, and please win each other.
36:00More isolated than ever, Russia is now leaning on Africa,
36:03both economically and diplomatically.
36:08We're in St. Petersburg at what they're calling
36:10the friendly match between Russia and Africa.
36:13It feels very lighthearted and innocent on the sidelines
36:16of this Russia-Africa forum that's happening here.
36:19Russia hosted a summit between African leaders
36:22and Russian representatives this summer.
36:24This soccer game is one of the cultural events
36:26held alongside it.
36:28What do you think African countries are getting
36:35out of their relationship with Russia?
36:37We are benefiting a lot.
36:39We trade with Russia.
36:41So why should we be against Russia?
36:43We are for Russia, Africa.
36:46Period.
36:48Leaders from six African nations in St. Petersburg.
36:51Putin's biggest international conference
36:54since he invaded Ukraine.
36:56Wagner intrinsically tied up with Kremlin
36:59and Putin's interests in Africa.
37:01Putin headlined the conference and behind the scenes
37:04tried to broker deals with African leaders
37:07in what was the biggest international event
37:09he's held since he invaded Ukraine.
37:11Obviously, a lot of these African partners need Russia,
37:15but it's also about Russia deepening its ties
37:17with a lot of African countries
37:19and gaining allies on the continent.
37:21The majority of Wagner's interests lie in Africa,
37:24and the Russian state itself is doubling down
37:26on its investments there.
37:28This summit was a scramble for influence and business
37:31just weeks after Purgosian's mutiny.
37:33Russia is already one of Africa's biggest weapons exporters,
37:39and where Wagner goes, Rostec,
37:42the Russian state weapons manufacturer,
37:44usually follows.
37:46Here we have the most contemporary line
37:49of Russian armaments.
37:51So these are some of the most purchased ones?
37:54We don't speak about purchases.
37:56Oh, you can't talk about sales.
37:58But they're popular.
38:00We can say they're popular.
38:02They are popular around the globe now, yeah.
38:04We can continue.
38:07Okay.
38:09Is there ever a scenario where, if you have a buyer,
38:13would you help them to train their guys on your equipment?
38:19One second.
38:21We can make a pause.
38:22We gotta run that by.
38:23Who provides services for training?
38:25Rostec?
38:26The organization of the existing business.
38:29The organization of the производs.
38:31Why do you want to answer?
38:32Because there are different options.
38:34Of course, we constantly provide training for all of our clients.
38:54Wagner's empire hinges on a soft power playbook,
38:57including troll farms and social media campaigns that co-opt existing resentment against Western powers.
39:03Bergojin even bought off social media personalities like Kemi Seba.
39:07What do you say to people who say that Russian influence in Africa is just a new type of colonialism?
39:14There's a long history with Russia and Africa, but now you can't deny their taking resources from Central Africa Republic, from Mali.
39:27Do you think those African countries are getting enough in return?
39:30It's interesting to see that when others replace the Occidentals, the Occidentals cry for the pillage,
39:36but when they do it ten times worse, the Occidentals say that it's cooperation.
39:40It seems a little hypocrite.
39:43Bergojin recently said that now they're going to give even more resources to African countries.
39:47Do you think these partnerships with Wagner are a good idea?
39:50I think that what's the best for Africans is that there's cooperation from state to state.
39:55I've known Evgeny Bergojin.
39:57He stopped working at a moment.
39:59But today, no one can deny that since Wagner arrived, Wagner has increased a lot of terrorism,
40:05even if there's a lack of visibility.
40:08This is the exact point Bergojin was trying to make his first time back in Russia since he tried to overthrow Putin.
40:14There are indicators that many African countries saw what happened in Russia with Bergojin
40:20and are now doubting his capabilities even in Africa.
40:23On the sidelines of the Russia-Africa summit, he was meeting with African leaders at St. Petersburg hotels,
40:29frantically trying to preserve his empire.
40:36Soon after the summit, Bergojin went on a tour of Wagner's bases across Africa
40:40and was spotted here at this Wagner-linked cultural center we visited in 2022.
41:00This center is just a small part of Wagner's large-scale propaganda mission,
41:04which is key to Bergojin's soft power playbook on the continent.
41:08His trip to Africa was a last-ditch show of strength before he was killed.
41:22What the hell? This is a pilot.
41:27They hit it and hit it twice times. It exploded. It fell. Look, it fell.
41:32It fell.
41:33The Wagner mercenary group chief, Yevgeny Bergojin, has been listed among passengers on board a plane that crashed just north of Moscow.
41:43This, according to Russian state media.
41:45Wagner's top command, Yevgeny Bergojin, his deputy Dmitry Utkin, the security chief of Wagner 2, all killed in one clean sweep.
41:54sweep. It's almost certainly the Kremlin were involved in the initial decision to bring down
41:58the aircraft. Without Vrgosian, the Kremlin will most likely attempt to nationalize his
42:04multinational criminal syndicate. The Vrgosian chapter is over and now we just go back to
42:11business as usual as directed by the Russians. Putin is now rid of high-level threats to his
42:19power from within Wagner. Some of the rank and file have quit. Some have joined other mercenary
42:24groups or signed on with the Ministry of Defense, but many are still deployed in Africa. Ultimately,
42:31Wagner has always been an extension of the Russian state, first covertly and more recently
42:37out in the open. Whether it's called Wagner or not, those aspirations for geopolitical
42:43influence and profit, along with their methods of achieving those goals, aren't going anywhere.
42:54In principle, in those circumstances, which are now formed in Russia, in general, it doesn't have a
43:00personality. If not, it wouldn't be a person. If not, it wouldn't be a person.
43:04It would be another person. Ivanov, Petrov, Sidorov, with such
43:08mechanisms in life and with such psychotic. They need only a lawyer.
43:14For many of us, it's a bone in the neck. There are a lot of critiques with the goal of
43:23stopping our work. It stops us. We are used to it. We are used to it. We are used to it.
43:28We continue our work. The dogs are lying. The caravan is going.
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