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00:00Ziggy, how are you?
00:01Yeah, I'm good. How are you doing?
00:02I am so good right now. You have to say hi to my son, Adam.
00:05This is radio for one, video for one.
00:07My son, Adam, is studying music.
00:09He wants to be a producer here at Wayne State in Detroit.
00:11And he freaked out when he found out I was talking to you.
00:14He loves your father's music. He loves your music, your creativity.
00:18His name's Adam, if you want to say hi to him.
00:20Yo, Adam, what's up, bro?
00:22Come join the gang. Come on.
00:25Music. Let's go.
00:27He loves it. We love it.
00:28And the idea of Pajamon, raising two boys,
00:33so much of our life was music and dancing around the house
00:37and leaving it at the door, leaving the work,
00:40leaving the world behind you and just being in the moment.
00:42And when I'm reading this book, I had a big grin on my face.
00:45Ziggy, I was just so happy reading it.
00:47Tell me where this came from and how the process started.
00:51Well, the process started, you know,
00:53most of these ideas is how I live my life, too.
00:56Just like you said, like with my kids, some of them older now,
00:59but when they were younger, a lot of my conversations with them are,
01:03say, instructions to them.
01:06I did it through making up jingles or making up music or singing it.
01:10Whether it be, hey, it's time to brush your teeth,
01:12I would make up a little song about that.
01:14It's time to eat, I'd make up another song.
01:17And that's how I would really communicate with them and make it fun,
01:19you know, make instructing be fun.
01:22And so Pajamon is in that vein where, you know, it's time for bed.
01:26Let's get Pajamon, guys.
01:27Let's go.
01:28Pajamon, you know.
01:30And it's just fun.
01:30It's just a fun way for kids to learn and for kids to get instruction,
01:34you know, making it fun for them.
01:36What was the line I wrote down?
01:37They thought Pajamon was a thing of the past.
01:39We're Pajamon.
01:40I know Pajamon's going to last.
01:41This is a book that people are going to be reading to their kids 50 years from now.
01:44You understand that, right?
01:46Yeah, yeah, true.
01:48Isn't that cool, though?
01:49I mean, to think about it, how you've created something, Ziggy,
01:52that I grew up like with, you know, hop on pop and reading books to our kids,
01:58and they still talk about them.
02:00They remember those as kids.
02:02You've created something that moms and dads are going to hand down
02:05and their kids are going to read to their kids.
02:07I hope you understand the scope of what you've done.
02:09Yeah, well, I mean, I haven't thought about it that way, but, yeah, I appreciate that.
02:15And as you said, the jamming, you know, from the energy of my father's song,
02:19Jamming, because, you know, we pull creativity from anywhere we can find it.
02:23Sometimes things are in the subconscious mind, and we just pull from it.
02:27But Jamming kind of like the idea of when I was doing that thing, it was like,
02:32okay, my father has a song named Jamming, and the rhythm of it and the music
02:35is just an uplifting way of putting this idea, using the music as the energy
02:41behind the words, you know?
02:42You said energy, and that's a word that I think about your dad.
02:46That energy is, your dad was one of one.
02:50And my son Adam and I, we talk about that.
02:52We watch the movie, the documentary.
02:53I mean, the film was beautiful.
02:55And we think so much about Bob and how it infuses our soul when we listen to his music,
03:00that energy, to grow up in that house.
03:03What was it like, that energy?
03:05Was it just palpable?
03:07Yeah, no, true, true.
03:08I mean, the energy is what we learn from, really, meaning that the actions
03:13and the experiences we had is what I learned from being around my father.
03:18It wasn't much about, again, like telling us things, but more of us experiencing things
03:24and seeing how things are done, the work ethic and the devotion to what he believed in
03:32really left a big impression on us.
03:34So that's that energy, you know?
03:37Spontaneity, I would imagine, too.
03:38Living in a house with that level of creative mind,
03:43there had to be moments where music just exploded on the scene, right?
03:46Oh, yeah.
03:46Oh, yeah.
03:47That's so cool.
03:48Every day, every day.
03:50Every day?
03:51Every day.
03:52Can you ever think of a day?
03:53I mean, like, it's just every day.
03:54So you just grew up, it was just part of your nature.
03:56Yeah, man, I would wake up and you'd hear him singing in the other room.
04:00So you'd just go and him and my friends would sing or they'd play a game or whatever.
04:04So it was, it was, the energy was really, it was high energy, high energy.
04:08Did you assume everybody grew up like that?
04:10We all just grew up with our parents singing songs to us?
04:13No, no, no, I'm never assumed that.
04:16Still, I mean, I feel like, you know, I knew that he was, you know, a special person, you know?
04:23And for me, it was just a great experience, you know?
04:27So when you're writing this book and you're reflecting on how you raise your kids and the influence you have on them, are there moments where all of a sudden you're going, oh, my God, I'm my dad?
04:37I mean, I do it.
04:38I think about my dad.
04:39And sometimes I say things to my kids and I'll tell them things like nobody can help everyone, but everybody can help someone.
04:45That's something my dad told me a long time ago.
04:48And do you find yourself doing that?
04:50All of a sudden you're talking to your kids.
04:51You're like, oh, good Lord, I'm my dad.
04:53You know what, how I see that, like, when I'm, you know, if in the essence of my father is like, as I, just as I learned is through my actions.
05:06So if I, you know, if, if, if I am doing something, how I'm living my life is, there's sometimes a part of my father in, you know, how I live my life.
05:19And that is when I can say, oh, that's like my dad.
05:22And that's when I can say, oh, well, I, I learned the same way that you're, that they are learning right now from how my father used to be around people.
05:30We treated people.
05:31I am doing the same thing for my kids, you know?
05:33It's all the legacy we leave for our kids, right?
05:36I mean, you know, the life lessons, when you write this book, Pajamon, and you look back, you have to be content with parenting, right?
05:45I mean, you've, you've done a great job raising your kids.
05:47You've done the best you can, but this book shows me that there's so much love in your house.
05:51You know, that is true.
05:52It's true.
05:53And I mean, a lot of this book have experiences that some of my childhood experiences, you know, for example, there's a, there's some part in it where I talk about, there's this game my father used to play with us.
06:03Hot or cold.
06:05And I remember we're staying at our grandma, grandmother's house in Miami.
06:09And one, one, one day, he's, he hid something and I said, all right, you kids go find it.
06:14And he would tell us if we're hot or we're cold and we try to find this thing.
06:18So all of those experiences come out in these books.
06:20And it's, it's really, real experiences from my childhood, you know?
06:24Pots and pans, playing on pots and pans in the book.
06:27Those things are so cool.
06:27Is that something as a kid you, you did?
06:29Yeah.
06:30As a kid, as an adult, as everything, you know, yeah, we do that.
06:33It's real.
06:35The flashlight tag and all this stuff.
06:37It's, it's, it's so cool.
06:39Um, is it a rush of memories too?
06:42When you start doing this, not only, you know, think about how you grew up, but with your, your, it's gotta be just a lot to process.
06:47Yeah.
06:48I mean, I mean, you know, I mean, I don't really think about it like that, but you do go back in time.
06:55You do go back in your memories.
06:57I remember my grand aunt used to tell us a lot of stories and the pajama and ideas that pajama is time to take a break from, as you said, leave the world outside.
07:06And when you come in the, the pajama experience, it's a different experience.
07:09It's a freer experience.
07:11It's a more intimate experience than just a regular party.
07:14The pajama party is a whole different thing.
07:16And so, yeah, I mean, it, I, I do pull from a lot of my experiences with my family, not only my father, but my grand aunt and my mother too, you know.
07:26It's beautiful.
07:27And then, um, the reason I, I talk about leaving it at the door, just a real quick note, there's a charity here called Focus Hope.
07:33It goes back to the sixties.
07:34And there was a lady named Eleanor Jositis and I met her once and I said, how did you raise a family in the middle of the Detroit riots and start a charity and helping people out?
07:42And she grabbed my arm and she said, when she got home every night, she would slap the bricks outside of her house and go in and her work stayed there.
07:50And she told me, she goes, your kids don't care what you do for a living.
07:54They just want you to be in the moment.
07:55And that's when I, when I first got to look at pajama and I thought Ziggy, that's what you're reminding us that we have to be in the moment with our kids.
08:03They don't care who we are or what we do for a living.
08:05So true.
08:06That's right.
08:07I mean, they don't care.
08:08They, they, they want you, they want you to be in the moment.
08:11And what you're describing and your, your family and what you've done, that's what we all aspire to as parents.
08:17That is true.
08:18And that, I mean, that's a perfect description of what pajama is.
08:22It's like being in the moment and being with your family and just enjoying and, and, and, and loving that experience and leaving everything as on the back burner for a time, you know, where the kids, the kids need us.
08:37Kids need, need that.
08:38I mean, we have, we have to be in touch with our children, you know?
08:41I love, uh, and the word love.
08:43I mean, it's, it's something that you, every time I've seen you do stuff and read about you, Ziggy and followed you, obviously as a fan over the years and stuff.
08:50Love is a constant in your life.
08:53Love is, love is the foundation of everything, right?
08:56That's how we do it.
08:57Yeah.
08:58And, and your kids, do they, do your kids reflect back to you?
09:01Are you starting to see maybe things that you've taught them or, or, or reflecting parts of you?
09:07Yeah, I mean, I have, well, man, I have four boys and three girls.
09:11Um, so with my boys, um, I mean, the, the, the main, the, the most real thing I see is like, they, they like exercising cause they saw me growing up.
09:21Like, like, um, I'm, I like keeping fit.
09:23So I see that in them and I see, I think the next important thing I see is how, how they, how they treat people.
09:29Cause they see, and we always tell them, yo, if, if they ever make a, like, you know, be not to the, to the level of respect that we expect from them with any individual, we'll correct them at the same time.
09:40Lesson, say, please say thank you.
09:42And that's how I grew up too.
09:43Please thank you to everybody.
09:44Respect your elders.
09:45So, yeah, it's a, it's a real thing and they're getting it.
09:50They're getting it.
09:51You nailed it with this book.
09:52You nailed it with Pajamon.
09:54I'm, I'm, I'm not just saying this cause we're talking Ziggy.
09:56I'm saying it because it hits a note with so many moms and dads and, and it's something that I'm going to buy from my sons when they hopefully have families going forward.
10:05It's a beautiful book.
10:06It's a beautiful book.
10:07Um, I have to ask this one question.
10:11I love, I love always get an answer.
10:13Uh, if someone comes up to you and they go, I know who your dad was.
10:16I know Bob Marley, but I've never heard any of his music.
10:19What's the first song you have them listen to?
10:22Ooh, that's a good one.
10:24Wow.
10:25Wow.
10:25Wow.
10:25There's, oh, you know, I don't know why, I don't know why a redemption song come to my mind.
10:30I'm not sure why that that's the first thing will pop up and I'm going to go with that.
10:34That's what you're telling you.
10:35That's what you're telling you.
10:36Redemption song.
10:37Yeah.
10:37Redemption song.
10:38Cause it's just soulful and it's just him and his guitar.
10:42And that's, that's, that's the purse.
10:44That's how you, if you want to introduce somebody, introduce them with, with less accompaniment and just one-on-one, you know, and that, that song is one-on-one with Bob, you know, like the way you said him.
10:58Cause that, that to me is a relationship that that's father son kind of vibe to me.
11:02That's the same thing you capture with the jam and I respect that.
11:05Yeah.
11:05Yeah.
11:05So now my son, Adam and you are our best friends, right?
11:08So you can give him plenty of producer advice.
11:09I hope when I come, if I pass you, I can meet Adam and I love, I have a support that you would send, bro.
11:16Cause yeah, we need, we need more, we need more positive music and producers.
11:19And I love that.
11:21I love that.
11:21I love seeing kids get into music.
11:23Come to Detroit.
11:24You got a break.
11:25We've got amazing local bookstores here.
11:27We've got not the big chains either.
11:28We've got some bookstores here that are amazing.
11:31People would love to have you here in Detroit.
11:33You work it out and I will set it up here.
11:35I'm a hundred percent serious.
11:36Ziggy, I'll take care of it.
11:38All right.
11:38We're looking to that.
11:39Come on.
11:40Come on.
11:41We'll see you here.
11:41Pajam and congratulations and everything.
11:43Absolute honor talking to you.
11:45Nothing but love to you and your family.
11:46Love Jim.
11:47Thank you so much.
11:47Thank you, bud.
11:48All right.
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