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00:00Live performance of music is just exhilarating to a whole other degree where almost every night on stage I make a point to talk about, you know, coming together and realizing that you don't have to vote for the same people, you don't have to pray to the same God, you don't have to like agree on sexual preferences, but if you can agree on a band, you can sing along and have fun, let go of all those differences and realize that you're just there for a good time.
00:20I love spaces like that because you can feel it.
00:22Rock, metal, frog, and everything in between.
00:26Welcome to this episode of Talkin' Rock with Meltdown.
00:30Don't forget to follow the audio-only Talkin' Rock podcast on all podcast platforms.
00:35And now, it's time for today's conversation. Here's Meltdown.
00:39Jesse, good to see you, man.
00:41Nice to be seen.
00:43Happy early birthday. What do you got planned this week?
00:46My wife's flying out as we speak, and she got us a nice little Airbnb up in the Hollywood Hills area, and we're just going to relax two days off in a row, and just going to have a cigar kick back, eat some good food, and enjoy my wife.
01:01You're a cigar guy?
01:03Occasionally. Yes, occasionally.
01:05I like them a lot, but I very rarely do it because of my job, but I do love them.
01:11Yeah. You know, that's something I have yet to get into. Maybe I should try a few here and there.
01:15I do have a lot of friends that do smoke cigars, so...
01:19Yeah, it's just a tasty little thing to have with something to sip on.
01:22It's relaxing for me. I like the way it makes me feel, too, because I don't, you know, you don't inhale them. You just kind of taste them. It's nice.
01:28Right, exactly. You share a birthday, by the way, with Stephen Pearcy from R.A.T. I don't know if you knew that.
01:33Oh, no, I didn't know that. That's awesome. I'm in good company. Very cool.
01:36Are you an 80s rock fan at all?
01:38I mean, yeah, I grew up with all that stuff. Yeah, R.A.T., Def Leppard, Dockin.
01:43And as far as that genre goes, those are probably the ones, the top ones off the top of my head.
01:49I have a huge Def Leppard fan. Love Def Leppard.
01:51Oh, is that right? So have you seen them a bunch of times?
01:54I've only seen them twice, and I actually get to meet Joe Elliott, and I got to tell them how big of a fan I was.
02:00I have a picture of him as well when I met him.
02:03That's awesome when rock stars get to meet some of their heroes.
02:07I do ask guys sometimes, and a lot of times they haven't met him or it was a short experience or whatever, but that's pretty sweet.
02:13Yeah, and Adam was with me, and Adam got to tell him how much the band means to me.
02:17You know, if you listen to the riffs, there's Def Leppard in there.
02:20You can hear Def Leppard in some of the riffs.
02:22Okay, I'm going to have to pay more closer attention moving forward.
02:26Yeah, that's pretty cool.
02:27You never know where some of these people come from.
02:29Is that where you think you got your musical influences growing up?
02:33I mean, initially, yeah, but when I discovered punk and hardcore, hardcore music especially, that's kind of what was the first thing that made me feel like it was mine.
02:42You know, it wasn't handed to me on a mainstream radio.
02:45It was something I had to really, back then, before the internet, really work for and become part of a community.
02:50So hardcore was the one where it gave me the bug where I wanted to sing,
02:53but rock music like, you know, Def Leppard and that genre, that era, I'd say 86, 87 is when I really started to like my own style of music.
03:05That wasn't my parents.
03:07Oh, okay.
03:08So I was thinking about this as you were talking.
03:10Did you have older brothers or siblings or anything that kind of led you along the way?
03:14A little bit, yeah.
03:15My brother showed me Iron Maiden and Metallica.
03:18You know, we weren't, long story short, we weren't really able to listen to much secular music
03:24because I grew up in a very religious household, my dad being a minister.
03:28So we had to sneak that stuff in.
03:30And he had this friend that would give him tapes.
03:32And I remember going over to his house to watch MTV and seeing Metallica, the video for one,
03:38and just being blown away.
03:41Like, we didn't even understand what we were watching or listening to.
03:44So, yeah, that was an earth-shattering moment.
03:46So is your father still with us?
03:49Yes, he is.
03:50And he's much different than he was when I grew up.
03:54He's mellowed out quite a bit, and he's actually one of my biggest fans.
03:58I was going to ask you if he's come out and watched you on tour and stuff.
04:01Yeah, my parents come out every once in a while.
04:03They'll travel even.
04:05Two tours ago, they did a road trip in a camper and came out to see me.
04:08So, yeah, they're very supportive now.
04:11No, that's great, man.
04:12That's awesome.
04:12Congratulations.
04:13The Summer of Loud Festival, that's happening right now.
04:17I just talked with Eric from I Prevail.
04:18Of course, they're from here.
04:19You're going to be coming through here in mid-July.
04:22I mean, just a hack question, but how's things going so far in this tour?
04:26Killer.
04:27This tour, the lineup is stacked.
04:28The shows have been, you know, really hot because of the heat wave.
04:32But other than that, just fun.
04:34The fans are there for it.
04:35It's singing along.
04:35All the bands are getting along.
04:37Backstage just feels like a big summer camp.
04:39It's great.
04:40Yeah.
04:40Who are some of the bands you know on this tour the most?
04:44Parkway Drive.
04:45We've toured with them.
04:46We've known those guys forever.
04:48And also, one of the opening bands, Devil Wears Prada.
04:52We know those guys pretty well.
04:54So, it's fairly easy.
04:55We already have friends.
04:56And I've already made friends with the I Prevail guys from the Shiprock Cruise we did together.
05:00And, yeah, the guys that I've met in Beartooth are sweet.
05:04The opening band, I can't remember the name of them.
05:06They're really sweet kids.
05:07So, everyone just seems cool, man.
05:08There's no real egos being kicked around or any of that stuff.
05:12It's just a bunch of dudes and a girl kicking it, making it work.
05:17Yeah.
05:17Didn't you just go?
05:19I think I saw something on the socials.
05:20Were you guys at some sort of surf shop or something with the I Prevail guys?
05:24Or what was that?
05:25That was an animation studio that takes Japanese anime and translates it to English.
05:34And it was, as somebody who's interested in audio and recording and voice acting, it was fascinating because they took us in.
05:41And we got to watch it live, like, watch it happening.
05:44And it was incredible.
05:46Like, they kick out, I don't know, like, 10 to 12 episodes a day, half-hour episodes.
05:51So, it's just a factory of translation and audio recording and kind of just nerdy stuff.
05:57I don't know a ton about it.
05:58I do like animated movies.
06:00But Mike, our bass player, is kind of more of the anime guy.
06:03So, I just went with him to check it out.
06:05It was fascinating.
06:06Now, you mentioned that you're interested in voice acting.
06:10Have you done that stuff before?
06:12I did.
06:13It's so funny because they just asked me this the other day, and I couldn't remember the name of the video game.
06:17But I did some voice acting for a video game.
06:20I'll have to look it up.
06:21But it's a game where you can play as a ninja warrior.
06:24You can play as a Viking.
06:27It's like ancient warfare.
06:30And the Viking section of it, I got hired to do the grunts and groans and the songs.
06:35And, you know, when you're playing the character and you're hearing him make noise, that's me.
06:39And I loved it.
06:40I had so much fun doing it.
06:42And you have somebody there in the studio coaching you along?
06:45Yeah, yeah.
06:45A buddy of mine who used to play in this great band called Tarantula AD.
06:50And we've been friends since we were teenagers.
06:54And he got this gig.
06:55He's just one of those genius musicians that just kept getting better and better.
06:59The kind of guy who can just pick up an instrument and play it without even knowing about it.
07:02He's just one of those guys.
07:03So he now does that for a living.
07:05He scores for films and video games.
07:07And he thought, hey, my buddy Jesse does these crazy things with his voice.
07:10Let's get him in here.
07:11And it was a decent paycheck, and it was fun.
07:14Yeah, I'd love to do more of it.
07:15Yeah, that's one of those things probably where you get paid once and that's it, right?
07:19Yeah.
07:20But it was a good paycheck.
07:22It was decent.
07:22I'm sure I've got friends that have done stuff like that before.
07:25That's great.
07:26So with the band Killswitch, I mean, you guys got a big hit on your hands right now.
07:30Talk about I Believe.
07:31I mean, what a great, first of all, just the song, it's just a great message.
07:37Yeah, the message is very important to me in all of our songs.
07:40But that one especially was the one I was looking to write for this record.
07:44It took me a while to find my bearings.
07:46But once that song was dropped on me and I heard it, I was like, this is it.
07:51I remember trying to figure out the chorus and my wife just coming in and going, that's going to be a hit.
07:57I'm like, yeah, I think so, too.
07:59Because within one listen of the chorus, you kind of got what's going on there.
08:03But message-wise, I'm honored and proud to be able to put that out there every single day on stage and to see people singing along.
08:11I think through the times that we're living in right now, it's a much-needed message of hope that I truly do have faith that the world will get better.
08:21There's more good people than there are bad people, and we need to start focusing more on our strengths as opposed to our weaknesses, the things that we have in common as opposed to our differences.
08:31And just keeping the faith that, you know, good guys will win in the end.
08:36I believe that.
08:37Yeah, you know, just as you were talking about this, you said, you know, your wife said that that song's hit.
08:41It reminded me of a conversation I had with Gene Simmons one time where he talked about some of the greatest songs in history.
08:46Start with the chorus, like Beatles songs, and that's kind of similar to that song.
08:50That's what I do with most of the songs.
08:52Once I know I've got that chorus, I mean, first of all, lyrically, that should be within a few sentences what you want to say about the whole song.
09:01So once you've got that, you can sort of just work from there.
09:03So I know I want to say this.
09:05Well, how do I work up to this?
09:06And now that I've said it, what do we do now?
09:08So it kind of really helps the whole blueprint of songwriting if you get the chorus first.
09:13I would have to absolutely agree with that.
09:15Yeah, there's the old saying, don't chorus, get to the chorus, right?
09:19Which, unfortunately, is true for the most part.
09:23I'd say for most musical ears in the modern world, that is true.
09:28Yeah, I guess for people that don't live in this business like we do, who are not really like music intensive, that's kind of the thing.
09:35It's like they just want to, you know, they're going about their lives and they just want to be entertained.
09:38And sometimes they can't really sit there and focus on things like we do.
09:41Yeah, but it's fun when you have, you know, a band or an album that writes in such a way when you finally do get to the chorus, it's just like, wow, I didn't see that coming.
09:53You know, there's a couple of songs I can think of.
09:56The beta band has this great song.
09:57You don't even hear the chorus till almost two minutes in.
10:00But once it comes, it just they just stay on the chorus for the rest of the song.
10:04It's like, what an interesting way to write a song.
10:06And it's genius.
10:07And you don't want the chorus to stop.
10:09And it goes on for another two minutes.
10:11It's it's incredible.
10:12Yeah, I was just listening to a podcast a few months ago with Chris Jericho and stuff.
10:16And they were dissecting a song.
10:17And God, I can't remember the name of it now.
10:19It's a very popular song.
10:20It's a classic song.
10:21And the chorus doesn't come in till the very end.
10:23And then it fades out.
10:24And I can't remember what it is off the top.
10:27It's genius, though.
10:28If you can make that work, that's that's genius.
10:31Yeah.
10:31People, you know, if you can keep people these days interested in a song and you're pushing four to five minutes, you're doing a really good job.
10:39So, yeah, I mean, the guys from Tool do some crazy things, not following formulas, I suppose.
10:45So anyways, but on this tour the other day, I don't know if you've talked about this.
10:49Perhaps you did.
10:50But Howard Jones joins you guys on stage.
10:52What do you think about?
10:54I mean, what was your what's your about that whole experience?
10:56He's easy.
10:58He's he's an old friend now at this point.
11:00It's like it doesn't even like surprise me anymore.
11:02It's like, oh, he's showing up.
11:03And I, you know, sometimes I'll find out the day before.
11:05I'm like, cool.
11:06Signal fire.
11:07Let's do it.
11:07No worries.
11:08And it's just nice for him to pop in and say hi.
11:10He's part of the fam.
11:11It's all good.
11:12It always reminds me of when that happens with that scene from Spinal Tap where I think Nigel or Stand Off to Side of Stage.
11:19Thankfully, there's none of that.
11:23It's not awkward.
11:24It's fine.
11:24But that's a dude.
11:26That's I mean, I love that movie, obviously, but that that scene in particular.
11:30Great acting.
11:31I wonder what the second one's going to be.
11:33Apparently they're doing the second one.
11:34Yeah, that's coming out in September, I guess.
11:36Oh, I'm worried.
11:37I mean, those guys are great, but I'm worried touching a classic like that again.
11:43Yeah, I'm with you, man.
11:44It's like that movie is so good.
11:46And it's like, I don't know about you, but I saw that movie several times.
11:49I mean, maybe dozens of times before I even got in this business in 1990.
11:53A lot of it I didn't understand, but now it's all too clear.
11:56Oh, big time.
11:57Yeah, I would say that's that's absolutely fair, especially the whole getting lost backstage rock and roll thing until that happened to me.
12:06And I was like, I don't even know where I'm going in this stadium.
12:10We were dying.
12:11We were in tears laughing, trying to figure out security.
12:14He's like, that way.
12:15What are you doing?
12:16It's it happened.
12:17Where was that at?
12:19I don't remember.
12:21I'm that person now.
12:23I don't know.
12:24I my memory of like, tell me to recollect, you know, a show.
12:29I don't know.
12:30It's hard for me.
12:30It's hard for me, man.
12:31And you do so many of them.
12:33You meet so many people.
12:34You're in so many places.
12:35It's funny.
12:35Sometimes we'll show up to a venue.
12:37And I'll be in the green room all day.
12:39And I won't even realize I've been there before until I get out and look at the stage.
12:42I'm like, oh, oh, we have been here before.
12:45This place.
12:46Yeah, that's hysterical.
12:47You know, I remember like I have so many memories.
12:50I can tell you almost every minute of the 1992 Guns N' Roses Metallica concert I went to.
12:54But I can't tell you what I did Thursday.
12:57Yeah.
12:57Oh, no.
12:58See, that's the brain's weird like that.
12:59I agree.
13:00I've got moments in my career that stand out for no reason at all.
13:04But yeah, I agree.
13:04I don't know what happened last week, except I did play some shows.
13:08I know that.
13:09Yeah.
13:09And I think somebody said something interesting to me a few weeks ago.
13:11They're like, yeah, that's because we weren't doing all this stuff with our phones.
13:15We kind of almost had to remember everything.
13:17That might be true.
13:18I don't know.
13:19I mean, just on a basic attention span basis, I would have to hard agree with that.
13:27You know, our brains have changed because of these things.
13:29And, you know, it's a gateway to information.
13:32It's incredible.
13:32But it is also pretty detrimental to the brain as well as far as, you know, creativity and getting sucked down the black hole of scrolling.
13:40Yeah, right.
13:41Yeah.
13:42I find myself doom scrolling sometimes as well.
13:46So the Dogs of Hope, I saw you were working with this group and this thing is Blood Upon the Ashes.
13:52You know, I took my dog to the vet's day because she's been itching.
13:55And it's kind of like really weird because she normally doesn't do that.
13:57And I remember I heard you talking about, you know, dogs and animals and stuff.
14:00But and Adam Carolla said something that was so fascinating one time I heard him talking about this.
14:05He says that, you know, we love dogs so much because they don't speak.
14:08And I think that might that might be true.
14:10Our kids are kind of different until they start talking.
14:13You're like, oh, yeah, then they could kind of verbalize what's going on.
14:15But I'm a huge animal guy like yourself.
14:18Yeah, I'm a huge animal guy, too.
14:20But imagine if they could talk the shit that they would probably say to us, especially cats.
14:25Dogs are probably still be pretty friendly.
14:27I bet you cats would be very sarcastic and probably make fun of us, which I'm kind of here for it.
14:33I love cats.
14:34I think they're hysterical, even even if they don't even talk.
14:37Just the looks and the body language a cat gives you sometimes is hysterical because it's they're the boss.
14:43It's on their terms where dogs are very, for the most part, subservient and want to make you happy.
14:48Cats, it's like, whatever.
14:50Yeah. Yeah. Just yeah. Just just find a warm place to lay down or whatever.
14:53So how many animals you have?
14:55I have two cats. I grew up with dogs.
14:58But after the loss of my last family dog, that was that was really hard, man.
15:04And I haven't committed since then.
15:06My wife and I are talking about adopting in the next couple of years.
15:08But, you know, when you do the job that I do, it's hard enough leaving home with cats and my wife.
15:14And dog is a whole other thing, a whole other kind of relationship and attention you have to have.
15:21But it'll eventually happen.
15:23Yeah, I know.
15:23Last time I put my dog down was four years ago, almost to the day.
15:26And I put 280 miles on my Harley that day.
15:29I took the day off from work and I'm like, I just could get it.
15:31You know, I couldn't even do it.
15:33You know, I was talking with someone about this the other day.
15:35It's like you just pray they just die in their sleep because putting them down is the worst thing ever.
15:40Yeah.
15:40Yeah.
15:40It's awful to see the decline of the creature that you admire and love so much.
15:45Yeah.
15:45The dog that I was raised with, she, yeah, we were like having to hold her up as she'd go to the bathroom, shake and shake and shake.
15:52And it gets to a point where you're like, it's cruel keeping them alive like this.
15:56And the pains that whatever you're doing to try to help ease their life is not working.
16:00You got to just know when it's time to call it, man.
16:03Yeah.
16:03So you just, we were just talking about Spinal Tap coming out this fall.
16:06And I think sometime this fall, I'm not, I don't know when, it's going to be this heavy healing documentary.
16:12Have you, have you, I know you took part in it.
16:14Have you seen a finished version of this or anything?
16:17No, no, I haven't.
16:18No.
16:18And I kind of like not seeing it till it's done.
16:21So I haven't really nagged anyone to check it out, but I know it's going to be good.
16:24But I mean, just the bit that I did was really in depth and the guys that are doing it, Howie, like, they're just good people and they really mean well for what they're doing.
16:34And there's a couple of real legends in there.
16:36So looking forward to having that one come out.
16:38I think it's an important topic.
16:39It's an important topic too.
16:41I think musicians are part of a therapeutic thing.
16:45You know, music is good therapy.
16:47And I think most people take it for granted, but it really is.
16:51Yeah.
16:52I mean, just, just think about it.
16:55You know, you could probably throw on some Def Leppard and just raise your spirits right there.
17:00Yeah.
17:00Yeah, absolutely.
17:01Or put on something sad and feel like you're not alone in this world.
17:05Like somebody else gets how it feels to have your heart broken or feel devastated.
17:08Like that stuff's important.
17:10Feeling like you're not alone in this world.
17:11Music does that.
17:12And then, you know, live performance of music is just exhilarating to a whole other degree where you can be in a room full of people and, you know, we can all get the chills together because you're seeing a performance that's just top notch.
17:25I love that stuff too.
17:27Well, I think I really realized it and perhaps you did too when you couldn't do that a few years ago.
17:32And it's like, you know, you're in these rooms or these fields or whatever the case is with people of the same ilk and you're really, and you may have differences of opinions on everything,
17:40but you're there for one reason to see that band and it kind of gives you the good feeling.
17:45And that is super important.
17:46I'm glad you brought that up because I talk about that almost every night on stage.
17:50I make a point to talk about, you know, coming together and realizing that you don't have to vote for the same people.
17:55You don't have to pray to the same God.
17:57You don't have to like agree on sexual preferences, but if you can agree on a band, you can sing along and have fun.
18:02Let go of all those differences and realize that you're just there for a good time.
18:06And I love spaces like that because you can feel it.
18:08Like it's palatable when you've got a bunch of people who are focused on one thing and they're just having a good time.
18:14It's good to be reminded of that, you know, speaking of doom scrolling and division and all that stuff that we're constantly, you know, exposed to live music is, is a beacon of light.
18:24It's a place where you can go that you can just celebrate and have fun and forget the outside world for a little bit.
18:30If you will, if you want to, you know, that's why I think we're really careful with there's a ritual to our performance.
18:39Lyrically, there's a lot of therapeutic stuff going on, but we always make sure to throw in the fun.
18:44You know, me and Adam D, Adam D especially, he's, he's the main driver of that reminding people to drink beer and laugh and have fun.
18:50And, you know, don't take yourself so serious.
18:53And, you know, I see the, the concerts from a different perspective.
18:56And then you do, of course, when you're up there on stage.
18:59So talk about like, like what you see.
19:02I mean, I'm there with thousands of people.
19:04You're there with your band.
19:07Yeah.
19:07I see a lot of smiling faces, you know, cause they're all facing me.
19:14So if you're facing a band, you're not looking so much around, you don't get the grand scope of everything that's going on.
19:19And especially on this tour, a lot of smiling faces, a lot of people are happy to be there and singing along and you can see the intensity or the sadness at times.
19:29It's a very emotional experience as far as being on the stage and then backstage, you know, this stage in the game, it's a lot of naps, a lot of dudes stretching and exercising, trying to like manage their pain as they get older, but it's a fairly healthy environment.
19:48You know, we, we get decent catering and we kind of take care of ourselves.
19:51You just get to that point in your life where you've been doing it for so long, you kind of have to, you know, take care of yourself.
19:58But that being said, we also have big parking lot parties where we crank out the jams and drink some beers.
20:03And like the other night I had some cigars and had a really good time.
20:07Yeah.
20:07That's funny.
20:08You mentioned that.
20:08Cause like I said, I've been in this business for 35 years and I've, I've known bands and become friends with a lot of these guys and a lot of them I've seen them in there and they're low.
20:16So lows and now they're sober or whatever the case is.
20:19Yeah.
20:20Yeah.
20:20Yeah.
20:20Or learned to moderate finally, which is, which is me, but yeah, I've got sober friends as well.
20:26You know, you just get to a point where look, if you, if you're not able to slow down to stop, it's better for everybody, for your body, for your mind and for your career.
20:37Nobody wants to see a 50 year old man shit face, not being able to sing their songs.
20:41That's embarrassing.
20:42So I commend people who take control of their lives, whether that be through moderation or sobriety.
20:49It's a good look.
20:51Yeah.
20:51And it's like, especially with what you guys do, it's kind of like a workout all to itself.
20:56It is.
20:56And I love it.
20:57Cause I get in the best shape of my life when I'm on tour between the bike riding and I do, you know, weights as well and stretching.
21:04And then, uh, you know, the hour sober on stage where all of us are pretty much nonstop running around with pyro sweating.
21:12And like, it's a good workout.
21:13It's great.
21:14Yeah.
21:14Hey, a final thing here for you.
21:16And we'll cut you loose.
21:17Uh, Jesse, I appreciate your time.
21:18The summer of loud, like I said, coming through town here in a mid July, the latest record, uh, this consequence is out right now as well.
21:24Um, this, uh, final, uh, black Sabbath show has happened this weekend.
21:27Obviously you guys won't be there, but you have any thoughts on a Sabbath and Ozzy.
21:30I, uh, I mean, the music world owes a, owes a great debt to both Ozzy as the solo artist and black Sabbath.
21:40We wouldn't, none of us, I mean, majority of the bands that are kicking it right now owe a debt to black Sabbath.
21:47I think the thing to focus on is the legacy, you know, and just hoping the best for Ozzy's health and people just paying respects to a band and an artist that, uh, changed the face of the world.
21:59And music, and I will always be a massive fan of both Ozzy Osbourne solo and black Sabbath.
22:06Very important stuff.
22:08Yeah.
22:08When I first started going to, uh, uh, a financial manager, all I wanted to do is make sure I had enough money in case things fell apart, but they kept pushing me towards retirement.
22:17And now I'm closer to retirement.
22:18I never thought about retirement before.
22:20And one day you guys are going to be there as well.
22:21And I was talking about this the other day on the radio that Ozzy and Sabbath have a chance to do something.
22:26A lot of bands that some bands just don't get to do, and that's say goodbye because they either break up or someone dies or whatever the case is.
22:32And it's, it's kind of a, they're in a, they're in rare air kind of.
22:36Yeah.
22:36I think that's cool when bands are able to do that.
22:38And it's also good to know when the time has come.
22:42And I hope that we have the wherewithal to know, and it's just, uh, probably not the best look right now, but you know, you look at a band like Iron Maiden, they, they, I mean, Bruce Dickinson to me is still prime.
22:54He's still peak.
22:55Yeah.
22:55The guy's in his sixties and we've done two tours of them now and every night he's just on it.
23:01And I'm like, I want to be even just a quarter, like, is that good at that age?
23:07So it can be done, but it is smart to know when to call it and to be able to have your final say in how your legacy ends.
23:15Yeah.
23:15It's funny you mentioned that because I did have Chris Jericho in the studio a couple months ago and he talked about, he played a couple of shows with Maiden.
23:21That must've been amazing.
23:22Oh yeah, no, it's, it's hard to put into words.
23:27It's schools in session.
23:29Number one, like you just, there's so much to be learned from watching a band for three hours, just kill it.
23:35And I wouldn't say more so than just that, that I think is really important is the way that they treated us.
23:44They were the perfect gentlemen.
23:46We had everything we needed.
23:48They couldn't have been more polite than just the entire staff, not even just the band, but like the people that work for the band, their assistants.
23:58You know, you wake up in the morning, you, you, you walk backstage and good morning, Jesse.
24:02Like, how are you?
24:03Like they know your name.
24:04Catering is top notch.
24:07Everything runs like a well-oiled machine.
24:09If you feel comfortable, you feel wanted, you feel accepted.
24:12Iron Maiden, man, they are the kinks.
24:14It's, I will forever look back on those two tours.
24:18We did them as the highlights of my life and my career as an artist.
24:21That's great.
24:22Well, Jesse, thanks so much for the time.
24:24Pleasure to talk with you.
24:26Killswitch Engaged, like I said, coming through town this summer loud to I Prevail, guys, Bare Tooth and more.
24:31And good luck with everything this summer and good luck with everything in the band.
24:35I appreciate it.
24:35And thanks for helping to promote the show.
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