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The STORY with Martha MacCallum (FULL) | May 14, 2025
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00:00Thank you very much, you guys.
00:04Good afternoon, everybody.
00:05I'm Martha McCallum, and this is the story breaking right now.
00:08As we were just showing you, President Trump is speaking right now in Doha, Qatar at a
00:14state dinner.
00:15It's hard to get the audio out of this room.
00:17It's a little bit, we're just hearing a lot of the room sound in the background.
00:22We could make out a little bit of what he was talking about.
00:24He mentioned Edon Alexander, said he wanted to see all of the hostages returned.
00:28It's part of the four-day swing through the Middle East, continuing, as we said, in Doha
00:34at this hour.
00:35He says that his goal is to make trillions in deals for investment into the United States.
00:42One of those just signed a $200 billion agreement from Qatar to buy jets from Boeing.
00:50But there's also a high-stakes foreign policy blitz that is underway, all of it overlapping
00:56each other as this trip unfolds.
01:00Really revolutionary news.
01:03The lifting of sanctions on Syria.
01:06This is a huge story.
01:07It's been 25 years since we had any sort of diplomatic relationship with Syria, and that
01:13is a very quickly changing situation.
01:16Also, as we just mentioned, the freeing of Hamas hostage Edon Alexander and a renewed pressure
01:22campaign on Iran, the president really wants talks to materialize into a safer situation
01:28in the region.
01:29But he says there are very high stakes for Iran if that doesn't happen.
01:34Then, of course, we are on the eve of this potential face-to-face sit-down between President
01:40Zelensky and President Putin, which is scheduled to happen tomorrow in Turkey.
01:46President Trump has not ruled out his own potential participation in that deal, which would take
01:55him to Turkey in the middle of this trip tomorrow.
01:57What happens on Thursday if President Putin doesn't show up in Turkey for the talks with
02:03Ukraine?
02:04What will you do?
02:04Well, I don't know if he's showing up.
02:06I know he would like me to be there.
02:09And that's a possibility.
02:11We could end the war.
02:12I don't know that he would be there if I'm not there.
02:15We're going to find out.
02:16Marker's going.
02:18And Marker's been very effective.
02:20Okay, Travis joins us in moments.
02:22But first, you retired four-star General Jack Keane, former vice chief of staff of the
02:25Army, now chairman of the Institute for the Study of War and Fox News senior strategic
02:31analyst.
02:31General, always good to have you here.
02:32Let's start with that last bit first with regard to this very important potential meeting
02:38tomorrow between Zelensky and Putin and President Trump saying that perhaps he will participate.
02:44Sounds like if he thinks Putin won't show up, if he doesn't, that he's open to that
02:49potentially.
02:52Yeah, well, this is a bit of calling Putin's bluff here.
02:55You know, as we can see.
02:57I mean, the truth is, the Europeans got together, visited Kiev last weekend, and they were in
03:02full support of Zelensky, Ukraine, 30-day ceasefire, and also major sanctions similar
03:10to what the United States was putting together, led by Senator Graham in the Senate, but also
03:15the president with his own team.
03:17And that kind of unity we really hadn't seen.
03:20And next thing we know, Putin within hours is offering, well, let's talk to Ukraine directly.
03:26Let's do it in Turkey.
03:29And Zelensky, as opposed to stiffen that and saying, well, he really doesn't want a peace
03:33agreement.
03:33He says, OK, I'm willing.
03:34I'll be standing there waiting for you.
03:36And we'll see what unfolds here.
03:39Yeah.
03:39In my own mind, Putin is using that talk to stall, Martha.
03:44That's his motivation here.
03:46And trying to get more concessions.
03:48But it's interesting because initially, Zelensky said, I'll only meet you if we have a ceasefire
03:53agreement.
03:54And then President Trump nudged him.
03:57Don't wait for that.
03:58You know, let's just have this meeting and sit down.
04:01So I think that also called Putin's bluff because perhaps he thought that was going
04:05to provide the barrier that he was looking for.
04:07But now they are all asking for that moment.
04:10And as we said, and as you just heard from the president, Secretary Rubio will be there.
04:16What is your best bet on what happens next here, General?
04:22Well, with Russia and Ukraine, I think Russia has made up its mind.
04:26They're not going to any permanent ceasefire any day soon.
04:29They're going to treat going down this hard line.
04:33And they want to get concessions, which are pretty unreasonable, you know, for Ukraine.
04:38You know, they want Zelensky to be gone.
04:41They want to change the constitution.
04:42They want to demilitarize Ukraine's military.
04:45They will not accept any peacekeepers in the nation if there is a peace deal.
04:51And the list goes on.
04:52They want territory they're not currently sitting on, where Ukraine is willing to cede
04:57the territory that Russia has, at least temporarily, that Russia is occupying.
05:01So major, major differences here.
05:04And Putin's hard line, I think, is the reason why we really haven't had any significant compromises.
05:10Yeah, excuse me.
05:11To be losing his patience a bit with Putin on this.
05:14So we'll see where it goes tomorrow in Turkey.
05:16It's going to be fascinating to watch.
05:17What are your thoughts on this meeting between this former al-Qaeda leader, who is now the
05:24president of Syria, and President Trump saying, look, let's open some relations here.
05:29Let's start discussing things with this new leadership in Syria.
05:32Yeah, when I draw back and look what the president has been doing since he came into office 100-plus days
05:40in his first visit here within such a short period of time, his first international visit to the Middle East.
05:47I mean, I think the big message here is the return of strong American leadership in the region
05:53and with allies and partners, strengthening those ties, economic, political, military ties.
06:00And also, without saying so, completely reversing the Biden policy in the Middle East,
06:07where the Arabs were stiff, Israel wasn't supported fully, and Iran was appeased during those four years.
06:14The message in here is enormous in terms of flipping the United States leadership in the region
06:21and playing an active role, and witnessed a stunning revelation to attempt to, one,
06:27remove the sanctions from Syria, and suddenly something that the new Syrian president wants.
06:33As we all know, his background is al-Qaeda and ISIS.
06:37At one time, he was a terrorist, and he was on our wanted list.
06:40But he is saying, I have changed my stripes, so to speak.
06:45And the president not only is willing to remove the sanctions,
06:48he wants Syria to normalize his relations with Israel.
06:52Israel has major problems with this leader,
06:54and also with Syria and what's taking place in their country in terms of security.
06:59But at the end of the day, this, once again, is strong American leadership
07:04trying to build stability and security in this region.
07:10And that's what's happening right before our eyes.
07:13It's stunning.
07:15And the president's working on prosperity for these areas and shaking up the chessboard to be sure.
07:22Obviously, Israel's watching very closely.
07:23Russia and China minimized in many ways by these actions sitting on the sidelines of all of this.
07:30So we'll see what happens tomorrow.
07:31General Jack Keene, always good to have you here, sir.
07:34Thank you very much.
07:37Great talking to you, Martha.
07:38So let's take a look back, because it's fascinating to think about this.
07:43Where were we one year ago?
07:45So much has happened since the election.
07:48This is the Wall Street Journal's reporting of the events right around this time during the Biden administration,
07:54May 20 or early June of 2024.
07:58Quote, on May 20th, during a Rose Garden event celebrating Jewish American Heritage Month,
08:05Biden said one of the U.S. hostages held in Gaza was a guest at the White House event.
08:12And then he had to quickly correct himself because, no, that person was being held in a tunnel, most likely, in Gaza,
08:19and was most certainly not in the Rose Garden.
08:22One day earlier at a campaign event in Detroit, he indicated that he was the vice president during COVID-19,
08:30which started three years after he left that office.
08:34It was just one of the many accumulated flubs in a single speech that prompted the White House to go back
08:43and do something that is really extraordinary.
08:45They made corrections to what the president said in the official White House transcript.
08:51So he was edited and corrected for the record books.
08:56Pretty stunning.
08:57With that, let's bring an Outkick founder, Clay Travis, with a look back on this extraordinary year and where we are now.
09:06And you look at the muscle, the American muscle that is on display right now, Clay, in the Middle East,
09:11in an area, as General Jack Keene just said, President Biden was sort of in an awkward relationship with Israel,
09:19I guess, to put the best spin on it, and calling Saudi Arabia a pariah at that point.
09:26Yeah, it's extraordinary, Martha.
09:29Thanks for bringing me in.
09:30I was in Israel in December when Assad had to flee, and that country brought in the new leader.
09:37And I think one thing that's been missed here is how strategically brilliant Trump has been.
09:43He's isolated Iran.
09:45Think about this for a minute.
09:46Syria used to, through Assad, run all sorts of weapons and terrorist activities through that country.
09:54And now, with the normalization, that's why we had sanctions against Syria,
09:59now Trump is basically saying, hey, I'm going to normalize relations here.
10:02While simultaneously building better relationships with Saudi Arabia, with the UAE, with Qatar,
10:09what he is doing is he is isolating Iran.
10:12And this actually works, I really think, to Israel's benefit, too,
10:17because none of those countries want a powerful Iran that has nuclear weapons.
10:22And so what Trump has created here now is a great deal of leverage,
10:26because he has a lot of Arab support now, with the good graces that he's going to get over Syria
10:31and over this visit with all of the countries surrounding Saudi Arabia.
10:35He also now has isolated Iran, and he has given himself an opportunity through negotiating leverage now
10:43to go to Iran, play the good guy, and say, hey, we're either going to do a deal
10:48or we are going to unleash holy hell on you to keep you from ever being able to get weapons.
10:55You have virtually no allies now at all in the entire region.
11:00Heck, they even are changing the name of the Gulf there.
11:04They're taking away the Persian Gulf name, calling it the Arab Gulf, which has driven
11:09everybody in Iran insane, much like when he changed the name here to Gulf of America
11:13and all the people lost their minds.
11:16This is something that the Arab leaders see as very positive.
11:19I just think it has created the possibility for peace.
11:22And Martha, we got tomorrow, potentially, the first face-to-face meeting of Zelensky-Putin
11:28that is being brokered by Trump.
11:30It was only in February that everybody lost their minds over the reaction and the interaction
11:34that we saw in the Oval Office.
11:36And now he may be bringing peace in Europe.
11:38I know it is an extraordinary moment to watch all of this.
11:43Let's just really quickly, and then we're going to go.
11:45But I just want to show the video.
11:46This is Biden meeting with the crown prince in Saudi Arabia, doing this very awkward fist bump.
11:53And then right back to it.
11:54Let's show the welcome that Trump received.
11:56It's like night and day.
11:57Watch this.
12:01But if Iran's leadership rejects this olive branch and continues to attack their neighbors,
12:06then we will have no choice but to inflict massive maximum pressure.
12:11Well, that's not the right thing.
12:14But that goes to your Iran point.
12:15But we all remember the sort of lame fist bump.
12:17To your point, Martha, on that, remember they—
12:19That's right.
12:21They didn't want the handshake.
12:22They did everything they could to avoid the handshake.
12:25And then a lot of people said, you bump fists with people you like more than you handshake.
12:29I actually think the handshake would have been less of a relationship.
12:32That's right.
12:32In case—I mean, excuse me, MBS, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, had this sort of strange
12:38look on his face like, I don't know why we're doing this, but okay, let's go inside.
12:42Clay, thank you very much.
12:44Fascinating story to cover.
12:45Thank you, Martha.
12:46Appreciate it.
12:46A lot more to come tomorrow in Turkey.
12:47Thank you, Clay.
12:48So I take a deeper dive into President Trump's trip to the Middle East in a new episode of
12:53the Untold Story podcast with former special representative for Iran, Brian Hook.
12:58You can listen now at FoxNewsPodcast.com.
13:02The Iranian regime had it out for Brian Hook at one point because of his involvement in
13:09trying to undo the Iranian deal that was put in place under the Obama administration.
13:15Really interesting talk with him.
13:16So that's coming up on the podcast.
13:18You can download that.
13:19President Trump's budget chief, Russ Vogt, fires back at a top Democrat after claims that
13:24the president's tax bill could cost lives.
13:28Next.
13:30Independent observers have confirmed that if the Republicans are successful in passing
13:36this GOP tax scam, then more approximately 14 million people will actually lose their health
13:43coverage.
13:44Hospitals will close.
13:46Nursing homes will shut down.
13:47This really is a matter of life and death.
13:54Creating an unlawful office in Doge.
13:59Elon Musk and Doge want to take a chainsaw to the federal budget.
14:03Doge is nothing but a cover-up.
14:04Like, it's a scam.
14:06Kind of like-
14:06For-what's the cover-up for?
14:07For-oh, Elon Musk?
14:11Democrats continuing to rail against Elon Musk and Doge as Musk takes a step back from that
14:16role.
14:17The White House says that the effort to slash spending will continue, including the proposal
14:22to cut $163 billion in federal spending from the budget.
14:26That's about the number that Doge accumulated going through all of the DEI programs and other
14:32things that they said they found were fraudulent and wasteful in the budget.
14:37Russell Vogt, director of the Office of Management and Budget, is a driving force behind that effort.
14:42And he joins us now.
14:44Mitch Vogt, good to have you back on the program.
14:46Do you want to respond to those comments from Jasmine Crockett and others who say that this
14:51is just- Doge is a big scam and that it really was designed to make Elon Musk money?
14:57I find them to be totally outrageous.
14:59And I think the American people know it's untrue.
15:02Doge has been a paradigm shift in Washington, D.C.
15:05And this is one of the most exciting times to be in D.C. in this administration and be fighting
15:10on behalf of taxpayers to find waste, abuse, areas where the government is weaponized against
15:15the American people.
15:16We've put forward a budget that accounts for $160 billion of non-defense cuts while still
15:23providing for critical areas of government that we think are important, and yet will
15:27allow us to have the lowest non-defense level that we've seen since 2017, getting back to
15:33pre-COVID level.
15:34So it's an exciting time.
15:35And Doge has been a partner throughout.
15:36So the goal was a trillion dollars in those cuts.
15:41And we talked about this last time, about whether or not you are going to be the point
15:46person, the lead person on continuing Doge after Elon Musk spends less time and goes back
15:52to focusing more on his own businesses.
15:54Will you be that person?
15:55And what is your goal for a total number?
15:59And when do you think you can reach it?
16:00Look, a lot of editorial writers and news reports, I think, have been over their skis
16:05with regard to me being named for Doge.
16:08I'm doing two jobs.
16:09That's what I've been given the responsibility to do.
16:12One is OMB.
16:13It's an opportunity to do it for the second time.
16:15And one is the head of the CFPB.
16:17But we intend to take the Doge agenda and the cuts and the momentum and the initiative
16:24and turn those into permanent savings.
16:27That's what we believe is our responsibility.
16:30We're in the midst of the appropriations process.
16:32We got that budget moving forward.
16:34And we're in the midst of reconciliation to have significant, over $1.5 trillion in reforms
16:41to the welfare safety net to make sure that people are not improperly benefiting from these
16:46programs who are ineligible, i.e. they're also illegal aliens.
16:50$1.4 million just from the Medicaid program alone.
16:53And instituting work requirements in Medicaid in a fundamental way, these are paradigm shifts
16:59that we are now doing because of the work that's been done across the administration
17:05to put us in this moment.
17:06Well, I just think a lot of people want to see that effort continue.
17:10I remember Elon Musk saying that, you know, the ship will sink, basically.
17:14The United States will not be able to go on, ultimately, with the kind of debt and waste
17:19that exists in our government.
17:20So who is going to lead the charge after Elon Musk steps a little bit to the side?
17:26Well, I'll let the president make those kinds of announcements in conjunction with Elon.
17:29But look, Doge is at work.
17:31They're not going away.
17:33They're a partner.
17:34I talk to them every single day.
17:35We're linked up.
17:37And I think the American people can have great confidence that this incredible initiative
17:42is moving forward.
17:44And we're going to make as much gains in the moment as we possibly can.
17:47So what do you say to Hakeem Jeffries?
17:50We played some sound from him as right before we went to the break to introduce you.
17:55And he says approximately 14 million people will lose their health insurance, their health
18:01coverage.
18:01Hospitals will close.
18:03Nursing homes will shut down.
18:05He says this is really a matter of life and death.
18:08The cuts that would amount to $625 billion in Medicaid over 10 years.
18:13What do you say to him?
18:15It's totally false.
18:16And what they do is they do scare tactics.
18:19And they've done this throughout history.
18:21I mean, in the 1990s, it was welfare reform.
18:24We saw a number of these contrived CBO estimates.
18:29And look, when you unpack it, it's people that are not eligible for Medicaid and making sure
18:35that we have the opportunity to get those people off of Medicaid.
18:37Medicaid, it's people that are illegal aliens.
18:40Which is a fraudulent request for funds, essentially.
18:42Exactly.
18:43And at the same time, trying to get a handle on the way that states have inappropriately
18:47used the system for essentially state-sanctioned fraud or money laundering, where they put taxes
18:54on providers to get a larger share from the federal government.
18:57And they use that not just for care for the vulnerable or the disabled.
19:02In fact, they go out and use that money to get larger welfare benefits throughout the state.
19:07California does this.
19:08And they put illegal aliens on federal rolls.
19:12So we think this money laundering, this state-sanctioned fraud needs to be put an end to.
19:17This bill does it.
19:18But it's not going to put states in a position where they can't say something.
19:21I can't figure out why Democrats are so upset.
19:23Jasmine Crockett, as well, about finding wasted money and getting rid of it.
19:28It really gives the taxpayer more bang for their buck if that's pursued and it's successful.
19:34I have just one more question.
19:35It's a little bit out of your area, but it does have to do with the management of our budget.
19:40So the bipartisan infrastructure bill under Biden allocated $25 billion over five years
19:47to fix the FAA.
19:49What happened to that money?
19:52Because I heard Sean Duffy, you know, talking about that, but also suggesting that they
19:55might need more money at some point.
19:57So where's the $25 billion that was supposed to fix the FAA?
20:01Well, look, there is some money remaining, piecemeal funding.
20:05Well, in general, what we saw from the Biden administration was they used money to be never
20:10to fix actual problems of the American people, but to push their woke and weaponized agenda
20:16in general.
20:17But there's money available.
20:18But what we haven't seen is a sustained, immediate, and focused effort to deal with
20:25the air traffic control system that so clearly needs modernization.
20:29We've been working with Secretary Duffy to make sure that we have a proposal that they
20:34can send up to the Hill.
20:35It's being reflected already in the reconciliation bill.
20:38And we believe this is the time.
20:39This isn't not a president that shirks problems.
20:41This is a president who takes them on.
20:44And we have a great ambassador on this issue with regard to Secretary Duffy to make sure
20:48it gets done.
20:49Well, if you're telling me that $25 billion went to DEI programs and green initiatives,
20:54that somebody ought to be held accountable because now the planes can't speak to the people
20:59in the towers.
21:00And we've got a big problem, as you well know.
21:03Russell Vogt, thank you very much.
21:04OMB, always good to have you here, sir.
21:08So as we were just talking about, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy and air traffic officials
21:12exposing critical equipment failures.
21:16Wait till you hear what the man on the right had to say about this critical hotline that
21:22exists between Reagan Airport and the Pentagon.
21:26But it's not been working for over three years.
21:29You can't make this stuff up.
21:366-74, radar contact lost.
21:40We lost our radar.
21:41Do I have Bravo clearance?
21:42No, you do not have a Bravo clearance.
21:44We don't have a radar.
21:45So I don't know where you are.
21:46Terrifying.
21:47I don't know where you are flying around up there in the sky and trying to land a plane
21:51with lots of passengers on it.
21:53So that radar outage at Newark Airport about two weeks ago, and they had another problem
21:58after that over the weekend, is a big focus of today's hearing featuring Transportation
22:03Secretary Sean Duffy.
22:04As we learn some stunning new details about crucial air traffic communications and a hotline
22:10to the Pentagon, it hasn't been working for a few years.
22:15Don't worry about it.
22:16Fox Business correspondent, Grady Trimble, joins us live with his reporting on this from Capitol
22:21Hill.
22:22Hi, Grady.
22:22Hey, Martha.
22:23And Secretary Duffy took a whole host of questions from lawmakers about the chaos at
22:28Newark Airport at the hearing this morning.
22:30He told me going into the hearing that some of the fixes, including replacing old copper
22:35lines with fiber optics, those fixes are actually moving faster than anticipated, and they're
22:41working with Verizon and another contractor called L3 Harris to get them up and running as
22:46soon as possible.
22:47At the hearing, Duffy advocated for more money for the FAA to get more air traffic controllers
22:54into towers as quickly as possible and to do that complete overhaul of the antiquated
22:59ATC technology that he's been talking about for several weeks now.
23:03But he also acknowledges that Congress has spent recklessly for well over a decade.
23:08I do think at some point we have to ask the question, remember, I don't know, when you
23:14ran for Congress, in 2009, so 2010, they passed the stimulus bill under the Obama era, and
23:23then you had $1.2 trillion in the last Congress.
23:27And so that's $2 trillion over 10 years.
23:29And sometimes you look around the country and go, where did $2 trillion go?
23:32A lot of this money gets eaten up in, again, the permitting and the consultants.
23:39And I want to see more of the money go, you know, to turn dirt.
23:44That's what we have to focus on.
23:46In a separate hearing today, we learned more about that fatal midair collision at DCA in
23:51January when a U.S. Army helicopter hit a commercial jet.
23:56A key form of communication, it turns out, between DCA and the Pentagon was down well
24:03before the crash happened.
24:05The direct line between the Pentagon air traffic control and the DCA tower
24:10has been inoperable since March of 2022.
24:14Yes, sir, that is correct.
24:17Who maintains that hotline?
24:19The, I believe the DOD maintains that hotline.
24:24Do you have a timeline for when that line will be operational?
24:27To be honest with you, Senator, I would expect the DOD to expedite that timeline so they can
24:32begin their operations.
24:33And going back to Newark, we also know that this morning the FAA met with high-level officials
24:39at the airlines to talk about reducing flights into and out of that airport.
24:44But we're not going to get a decision from that, Martha, until about two weeks from now.
24:48Martha.
24:48Grady, thank you very much.
24:51Uphill climb, but he's working on it.
24:53In the meantime, RFK Jr., also on the Hill today, demanding action from Congress to help
24:58him make America healthy again.
25:01Congressman DeLauro, you say that you've worked for 20 years on getting food dye out.
25:06Give me credit.
25:07I got it out in 100 days.
25:09I'll give you that credit.
25:10All right, so let's work together and do something that we all believe in, which is have
25:15healthy kids in our country, for God's sake.
25:17Dr. Asim Mahatra appointed today as one of the team members for Maha.
25:24He joins me next.
25:25A lot of hearings on the Hill today, and this one is still underway right now on Capitol
25:35Hill.
25:36The HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. testifying before the Senate Help Committee, and it's
25:41the second time that he has appeared today.
25:43He was in front of the House Committee this morning.
25:45So at an earlier hearing on the House side, he was pressed on his vaccine stance, pressed
25:50on a lot of things.
25:51Also, the recent letting go of 20 percent of the people at the agency.
25:56Watch.
25:58Did somebody get Elon Musk's computer and say, OK, just make 20 percent cuts?
26:04You know, I disagree with your entire characterization.
26:07It was like the recitation of a narrative that, you know, everybody knows out there, and it's
26:14the Democratic Party narrative.
26:15I don't think people should be taking advice, medical advice from me.
26:19Right.
26:19No, I got that.
26:20And I'm not asking you to give them advice, but would you vaccinate your child for measles?
26:24I think if I answer that question directly, that it will seem like I'm giving advice to
26:29other people, and I don't want to be doing that.
26:33So that's kind of what happened in there this morning.
26:36Dr. Asim Mahatra was just announced as chief medical advisor to make America healthy again,
26:41or Maha Action.
26:42It's the group that Dr. Mahatra says advises the HHS.
26:46He is a consultant cardiologist based in London and making his way to Washington to begin
26:51his new role.
26:52Doctor, very good to have you here.
26:54You know, I guess, first off, as you watch this back and forth with Congress and you hear
27:00people pushing back on some of the cuts that have been made to HHS and talking about vaccines,
27:06talking about food dyes.
27:07What do you think about how difficult it is, although they've made a lot of progress,
27:12to get stuff done in D.C. and what you're signing up for?
27:17It's a great question, Martha.
27:18Well, thanks for having me on.
27:19I think that, you know, this was inevitable.
27:22These sorts of conversations after the Maha Initiative started.
27:26Of course, things are very partisan in America.
27:29So people are just for the sake of really attacking President Trump or the Republicans are going
27:34to be critical anyway.
27:36But the conversations need to happen.
27:38You know, we need to heal this divide.
27:40We need to.
27:41Everybody, I think, across the board wants to have the best possible health.
27:45They want to live in a society that's healthy.
27:47America is suffering very badly, like many other countries, like the U.K. as well,
27:52where I'm from originally.
27:54And I think that, you know, this is an inevitable part of this journey.
27:57But if there's anybody that can handle this and any person that has been picked who's best
28:02to lead this movement in health is Robert Kennedy Jr.
28:05I mean, I remember in 2022, Martha, I published, I had to do something which was very challenging
28:11for me.
28:12And that was to change the narrative, reverse my own narrative on the safety and effectiveness
28:16of the COVID vaccine.
28:18I took two doses.
28:19I went on Good Morning Britain in the U.K. to say it was safe and effective for high-risk
28:23people.
28:24And, you know, partly through a family tragedy, my dad having a sudden cardiac death and then
28:29obviously real-world data coming out.
28:31By the end of 2021, the situation looked very different.
28:33I published a paper, end of 2022, I said, we need to pause this.
28:37I went on one of the TV channels in the U.K.
28:40And, you know, it was a nervous time for me, but I felt it was my duty and responsibility
28:45to do that.
28:46The first person to call me as I left the studio of GB News, for the first time, I hadn't
28:50had any interaction with him.
28:51He got my number from somebody, was Robert Kennedy Jr.
28:54And he said to me, Dr. Mahatra, it's Robert Kennedy Jr. here.
28:58I want to thank you for your courage.
28:59He'd read my peer-reviewed papers.
29:01He interviewed me afterwards.
29:02And I realized, actually, this is somebody who is so open-minded to listening.
29:06Now, of course, he's got his views and he's known through the media of having certain
29:10views on things.
29:10But I think what we've seen emerge when he's taken this role as HHS secretary is a man that
29:15is willing to listen to all sides and get involved in that discussion.
29:18And that's what we need.
29:19We need, you know, he said also, you know, in the Rescue of the Republic rally, which
29:23took place in D.C. before the election, he said something which really resonated with
29:27me.
29:27He said the solution to bad speech isn't censorship.
29:31It's more speech.
29:33It's better speech.
29:34Well, he was censored on social media during all of COVID.
29:39Dr. Mahatra, we thank you very much.
29:41We look forward to seeing you in Washington and hearing more about what you're going to
29:44do.
29:45I know that taking action on sugar as a cardiologist is one of the things that you feel very strongly
29:50about.
29:50And we look forward to talking to you more.
29:52Thank you, doctor.
29:53Thank you, Martha.
29:54So the new message from Democrats as they try to ditch President Biden as more reports
30:00expose the extent of his decline and what people knew inside the White House.
30:09I don't want this about how did what did Joe Biden do, what his staff didn't do.
30:13That's backwards, not forward.
30:15I can't tell you what happened between George Clooney and President Biden.
30:19We're not looking backward.
30:19We're going to continue to look forward.
30:21We're looking forward.
30:24That's it.
30:25That's it.
30:28Senate Minor leader Chuck Schumer refusing to comment on the latest book about former
30:34President Biden's 2024 campaign.
30:36It reportedly claims that Schumer at a wedding said that not to worry about it, that Democrats
30:42had a plan B, including Nancy Pelosi, President Obama.
30:47He said in this quote, if things, quote, go south at that first debate, which, of course,
30:53we all saw was an absolute train wreck on June 27th.
30:56The book points out Schumer later denied that he made that comment.
30:59So he had a chance to respond and to straighten out the record on this on camera.
31:05Watch.
31:07We're looking forward.
31:10That's it.
31:11That's it.
31:11He is among the people that are responsible for this.
31:14The leaders of the Democratic Party, the staff of the White House.
31:19And I have to say, I find everybody now talking to these authors, get out of here.
31:24Go home.
31:24You're part of the problem.
31:26Now you tell us.
31:27So I just and I find, you know, the reason why the Democratic Party has less credibility
31:32today because of this distrust.
31:34OK, let's bring in California Democratic Congressman Ro Khanna, a former Biden 2024 campaign surrogate.
31:41Congressman, it's always good to have you here.
31:42And I understand the inclination to say we're moving forward.
31:47We're putting this behind us.
31:48But you hear Chuck Todd there saying that there is sort of trust and credibility business that
31:53needs to be rebuilt among the party.
31:57Sir, here you are several times before the election saying that he was just fine.
32:04Watch this.
32:07Biden seeking re-election.
32:09Absolutely.
32:10I've seen the president twice in the last two weeks.
32:13I've had a conversation with him.
32:14He's completely mentally sharp.
32:16When the president is out there, he's at his back.
32:18Best have him debate in the general election.
32:20I don't think Donald Trump will.
32:22I have spoken with the president.
32:23He is fully coherent.
32:25He is on top of details when I have talked.
32:28Were you telling the truth back then?
32:32I was.
32:33I met him a few times at public events and he was.
32:37But of course, I didn't have the full picture.
32:39I mean, I met him maybe two times on rope lines and at public events.
32:42And I do think it's important that given what has come out, that we take accountability.
32:48Obviously, he should not have run.
32:50We should be clear to say that.
32:52Obviously, there should have been an open primary.
32:55And I don't think that's very difficult.
32:57The Democrats should just be straight up that he should not have run.
33:02Now that we know all of the facts, there should have been an open primary.
33:04I think to move on and move forward, it's important to take accountability and be straightforward with the American people.
33:11Do you blame him for this or his family?
33:15Like, why wasn't there some sort of intervention when clearly it was obvious that something was very wrong?
33:22It didn't just happen once or twice.
33:23It happened almost weekly.
33:24Ultimately, the buck stops with the president.
33:28He made an incorrect decision of running it and given all that the reporting that has come out.
33:33Now, look, there were those of us, including me, we're surrogates for him, campaigning for him.
33:37When we saw him on a rope line, when we had a two minute conversation with him at an event.
33:42But you saw him on TV, you saw him falling down, you saw him, you know, looking around, trying to figure out where he was supposed to go next.
33:49You know, so you saw Barack Obama here leading him off the stage as if he didn't know where he was going.
33:54So it wasn't that you only saw him in those little instances, right?
33:59Well, I saw him in those instances and I saw him on television like every other American.
34:03But we had the White House saying that he was perfectly in charge, he was capable.
34:07And in the brief interactions we had on a on a rope line, he seemed perfectly fine.
34:13But the point is that obviously we now know that there were people who knew about his decline, that he was not in in shape to run.
34:21And in retrospect, David Axelrod was right to be warning about that.
34:25And we should just be honest as a party that we made a mistake.
34:30We should have been stronger in calling for him to run.
34:34I mean, there were a lot of there were a lot of documents signed, a lot of decisions made in Afghanistan, a lot of national security issues at stake during all those times.
34:42So I think there's a there are two different questions, one, whether he should have run, the other, whether he was actually doing the job and capable of doing the job.
34:50And I, you know, I haven't read all the books and everything, but I think the bigger issue is, was he capable of running?
34:55I think that is pretty obvious that he should not have made the decision to run.
35:00There hasn't been reporting saying he wasn't able to make the big decisions about the job.
35:05Congressman Ro Khanna, thank you very much.
35:08I look forward to having you back soon.
35:09A lot going on on the Hill.
35:10Thank you, sir.
35:12All right.
35:12So the former clerk of court in Alex Murdoch's high profile murder trial has been arrested today on felony charges.
35:21This brings up questions once again about the potential influence she may have had on the jurors who found him guilty in the murder of his wife and his son.
35:35What we had filed today, supported by sworn testimony of jurors, is that the clerk of court had improper private communications with the jurors.
35:51I would never, under any circumstances, hurt my wife, Maggie, and I would never, under any circumstances, hurt my son, Paul Paul.
36:03Well, that was Alex Murdoch.
36:04He was sentenced to life in prison two years ago for the murders of his wife, Maggie, and his son, Paul.
36:11It gripped the nation.
36:12Now, the former court clerk in the case, Becky Hill, has been arrested today on charges of misconduct and obstruction of justice.
36:20Here's a quick clip of her in our Fox Nation special, The Fall of the House of Murdoch.
36:25My name is Rebecca Hill.
36:27I heard about the murders of Alex's wife and son that very night that it happened.
36:35Murdoch's lawyers accuse Hill of jury tampering and they're appealing the convictions.
36:41He'll denise it.
36:43Did you have any conversation with the jurors where you made any comment about the substance of any testimony or any comment about this merits or the strength of the case?
36:52No, no.
36:53Here's what a juror told me about the clerk in our Fox Nation special.
37:00She came in and she was, you know, like I said, she was, it's going to be epic.
37:05And she was lit up and we're all just kind of like, what's going on?
37:08And she said, the defense has decided that they're going to put Alex on the stand.
37:13And she said, now, I don't want you to be fooled by what they say.
37:17Play close attention to his body language, his movements.
37:22You're going to hear a lot of things.
37:23And then she went on to say how we were all going to be famous.
37:29And this is, you know, just the trial of the century.
37:32And I think a lot of, oh, I can't say what other jurors heard.
37:38I was just kind of like, did she really just say that?
37:42Yeah, that was interesting.
37:43So let's bring in one of Alec Murdoch's lawyers, Dick Harputlian.
37:47Dick, welcome back to the program.
37:49So give us a sense, thank you for being here, give us a sense of what happened today.
37:53Because we remember when she was accused of jury tampering.
37:57And then, what happened then?
37:59And what are these charges today that have now surfaced?
38:03Well, today, there were a number of charges.
38:05She was arraigned in Carlton County, Walterboro, for obstruction of justice and to misconduct in office.
38:13Those were not specifically related, what one of them was, but the obstruction, apparently she is accused of not being truthful to SLED agents when they asked her about distributing copies of pictures or exhibits that were under seal.
38:32But later on today, they arraigned her here in Columbia for perjury at that proceeding in front of Judge Toll, where we made the motion for the new trial.
38:44And I think that's extremely important in our appeal.
38:48What do they say she lied about?
38:49She lied about distributing exhibits under seal to individuals, I would suppose, news media.
39:01But what's important about that is, is you just played a clip where she denied talking to jurors.
39:07And then you all had an interview with one of the jurors, the so-called Egelhady.
39:12And she detailed what was said to her.
39:15And, of course, the court denied having any conversations.
39:18So this perjury count is an accusation by the state that they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she lied during that proceeding.
39:27And if she lied during that proceeding about one thing, it certainly challenges her credibility on any other thing, if that makes sense.
39:38OK.
39:40This show is over in 10 seconds.
39:42But is this going to lead to a new trial, yes or no, in the murder case?
39:47I believe it will.
39:48I believe it will.
39:49All right.
39:49We will be watching Dick Harpootley in the Alec Murdoch case.
39:54Thank you very much.
39:55We'll be following it.
39:56That is the story for today.
39:58But as always, the story goes on.
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