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00:00This is Laura Ingram, the Ingram Angle from Washington tonight, and we have a Fox News
00:05alert for you.
00:06The audio of President Biden's interview with former special counsel Robert Herr has just
00:13been released.
00:14Now, after that same interview, Herr called the former president a well-meaning elderly
00:19man with a poor memory.
00:21But after listening to the audio, let me tell you, that was a charitable description.
00:27Unbelievable.
00:29But first, Comey's shell game.
00:32That's the focus of tonight's angle.
00:36Jim Comey is now and always has been a sanctimonious prig.
00:42And now he's a sanctimonious prig who's been questioned by the Secret Service over his
00:47threatening post against Trump.
00:49Two sources telling Fox late this afternoon that the disgraced former FBI director snuck
00:54in through a garage entrance to tell the Secret Service agents his side of the story.
01:00We're going to bring you more as we get it.
01:02But first, let's remind everyone who James Comey really is.
01:07As FBI director long before the George Floyd riots, he was apologizing for law enforcement.
01:14He was doing the usual liberal guilt dance, fueling a racial narrative that made him kind
01:20of more tolerable as a tolerable Republican.
01:24When he spoke in 2015 at Georgetown University, something happens to people in law enforcement.
01:31Many of us develop different flavors of cynicism that we work hard to resist because they can
01:37be lazy mental shortcuts.
01:39For example, criminal suspects routinely lie about their guilt.
01:44And nearly everybody that we charge is guilty.
01:48Well, is guilty.
01:50But sometimes, look, the first instinct of the accused, Jim, is to lie.
01:56And that's precisely what he's doing now, after posting and deleting that photo on Instagram
02:01that's widely considered to be a threat against the president of the United States, 86-47.
02:07Now Comey claims that he knew 47 was a reference to Trump, but didn't know what the numbers
02:12together signified.
02:13And that once the threat of violence was raised, well, he immediately deleted the post.
02:18Oh, no one with a brain is buying it.
02:22Trump certainly isn't.
02:24He knew exactly what that meant.
02:26A child knows what that meant.
02:28If you're the FBI director and you don't know what that meant, that meant assassination.
02:36And it says it loud and clear.
02:38Now, he wasn't very competent, but he was competent enough to know what that meant.
02:44And he did it for a reason.
02:47He's calling for the assassination of the president.
02:50Look, Trump's comments about Comey are right on the money.
02:53Now, remember, we're talking about a guy, the former FBI director, who helped set the
02:59wheels in motion with Mike Flynn all the way through the phony Russia collusion scandal.
03:06And then, of course, we can't forget early on his get out of jail free decision on Hillary.
03:10Do you think the Russians have leverage over President Trump?
03:13I don't know the answer to that.
03:14You think it's possible?
03:15Yes.
03:16I don't know whether the current president of the United States with prostitutes peeing
03:21on each other in Moscow in 2013, it's possible.
03:24He could be wearing an ankle bracelet while accepting the nomination at the Republican
03:28Convention.
03:29You could have a president who is potentially incarcerated when he's elected.
03:34Trump is the leader of a cult who has radicalized his followers.
03:38And dealing with a radicalized populace is incredibly challenging.
03:42That's a phenomenon we've seen in Islamic radicalism.
03:47The man has been seething about Trump from day one.
03:53He greenlit the surveillance of the Trump campaign and he must have been fuming that
03:57Trump won in 2016.
03:59Remember the curtain video when he tried to hide from Trump when he was actually in the
04:04White House?
04:05I look and right next to me is this blue curtain and I'm wearing a blue suit that doesn't match
04:10perfectly but close enough.
04:12So I'm thinking, how great is that?
04:14I got a little camouflage and so I start moving over and I pressed myself against the blue
04:18curtain thinking, this is my save.
04:21This will save me from having this public embrace with the president.
04:26Then he was infuriated about being fired, of course, and livid that the Mueller report
04:31was a dud.
04:32And he probably hasn't slept since Biden's disastrous debate performance.
04:38But Comey's playing with fire now.
04:41We already know that two people tried to kill President Trump with one actually hitting
04:46him at Butler.
04:47And this was preceded by years of celebrities calling for violence against Trump, normalizing
04:54what is now known as the assassination culture.
04:57I dare you to say the things he does.
05:00Of course I want to punch him in the face.
05:01Right.
05:02There we go.
05:03Yes.
05:04When was the last time an actor assassinated a president?
05:07I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House.
05:13And it continued this week where it was darkness on the edge of clown with Bruce Springsteen.
05:19I'm going to go off script here for a moment.
05:40The America that Bruce Springsteen wrote about, you know, the steel mills, the workers in
05:46Jersey.
05:47Hey, dude, they all voted for Trump because he didn't sell them out.
05:51You did.
05:53He should be on Trump's side if you really believe the lyrics he wrote.
05:57But he abandoned those people long ago.
06:00Do people pay at concerts for a political lecture?
06:02Years ago, I wrote a book called Shut Up and Sing.
06:0510th Avenue frees him out.
06:08But of course, elected officials, people with real power, they also fed the assassination
06:13culture.
06:14This was happening just last month.
06:17From the Senate minority leader.
06:19He's acting like a king, a mob boss, a wannabe dictator.
06:23He said he wanted to be a dictator on day one.
06:25It looks like he's extending it.
06:27When the founders drafted our Constitution, they feared a man like Donald Trump.
06:31Well, if Trump's a dictator, then he doesn't have too much to you have to have too much
06:36to think about to think, well, it's noble then to take out the dictator.
06:41Right.
06:42They get that.
06:43Right.
06:44But actually calling Trump Hitler and a dictator, it's always been a venal lie.
06:49They always lie because they have nothing else.
06:53But it was all made more credible to the untrained mind because of the one man crusade that Comey
06:59led against Trump, again, going all the way back to 2015.
07:04And as I said earlier, the Secret Service reportedly interviewed Comey today about the
07:08shell game.
07:09We're going to learn more about the potential charges in the days ahead.
07:12But isn't it time that a person of prominence who should know better face some real consequences
07:19here before something real tragic happens?
07:23At the very least, shouldn't the D.C. Bar Association have something to say about Jim
07:27Comey?
07:29Is this what an officer of the court is, how an officer of the court should act given the
07:34stakes for the country on the heels of two assassination attempts in one year?
07:40Comey and company threw everything they had at Donald Trump for years.
07:45They knew that he would expose their con if he were reelected.
07:50And he did.
07:52Literally a year ago.
07:53And he talked about it.
07:54They thought they'd see him maybe barred from the presidency.
07:58And they were sending around memes of him in an orange jumpsuit.
08:01They thought it was really funny.
08:03But in the end, Trump turned the tables on all of them.
08:05And they showed their true colors.
08:08And voters saw that the Democrats are the true threats to democracy.
08:14Trump saved us, at least for four years, from their venal reign of incompetence.
08:21And that's the angle.
08:22Here to react is Francie Hakes, former federal prosecutor and Alex Marlow, Breitbart editor-in-chief.
08:30Let's start with you, Francie.
08:32Your reaction to what you saw with this Comey attempt at explaining the shell post?
08:42I knew that 47, but I didn't know the other.
08:46Is any of this believable?
08:47Well, you know, Laura, you made a great point when you called it the Comey con.
08:52And that's been going on since before President Trump became President Trump 45.
08:58And they allowed the country, they pushed the narrative.
09:01He and Brennan and others pushed the narrative that the president was a Russian asset.
09:05And now, after everything that's happened, after surviving two assassination attempts
09:10and the assassination culture that Comey himself can be traced back to being largely responsible
09:17for because he labeled the president a danger to America, for him to now play into this
09:23assassination culture and play footsie with those who would assassinate the president
09:28is revolting and appalling.
09:30And as someone who is not just the FBI director, but the deputy attorney general of the United
09:35States, he certainly knows better.
09:38He's prosecuted these kinds of cases himself inside the Department of Justice and at the
09:44FBI.
09:45And he definitely knows better.
09:47He's playing footsie with attempting assassinations.
09:51But my question was, do you think he's telling the truth?
09:54Do you think he's telling the truth?
09:57Absolutely not.
09:58Can you really believe anything he says?
10:01He lied about documents to a lawyer friend.
10:04You can't believe anything Jim Comey says.
10:06And I don't think he's telling the truth at all.
10:08And here's my question, Laura, when Secret Service questioned him, did they ask him to
10:13see his devices to see how he has been treating this photograph with friends and family, for
10:19example?
10:20Did he tell them what he really meant or did he lie to Secret Service agents?
10:24I don't I don't believe the Secret Service agents took his phone.
10:27I don't think they took it up a notch.
10:29Alex, your reaction tonight, we're going to get to this her audio issue in a minute,
10:34which is an another bombshell, actually hearing Biden's decline.
10:38But, Alex, on this issue, this is serious.
10:40It's fun that the memes are people sent around the memes of this and everything.
10:44But this is a serious matter.
10:47Yeah, absolutely.
10:49And you said something really important, Laura, you use the word sanctimonious about Comey.
10:54He's known as St. James, St. James Comey in Washington because he's the most sanctimonious
10:59guy in the whole town.
11:01There's no scenario on Earth where as FBI director, he was not aware that the term 86
11:06meant eliminate.
11:07This is a dog whistle to assassinate Trump.
11:09And now he's lying.
11:10Remember, he leaked against President Trump before.
11:12We know he's a dishonest guy.
11:13And I'll tell you right now, a dog whistle to assassinate Trump is insurrection language.
11:18It's like an insurrection.
11:19I think this is worse than anything a January the 6th.
11:21The idea that a former FBI director would imply that we should assassinate the president
11:25of the United States.
11:26He needs to be investigated immediately.
11:29And I would say the language that they have grasped onto for even before January 6th was
11:36the enemy of democracy.
11:38If someone is the enemy of democracy, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot all rolled into one dictator,
11:44then you are signaling to people, take this guy out or we're going to lose the country.
11:48That's what they're doing.
11:49And they know what they're doing.
11:50Francie and Alex, we got to get to that Fox News alert.
11:53You know, the audio of Joe Biden talking with special counsel Robert Herr has just dropped
11:59and it was obtained by Axios.
12:01And the two day interview, remember, happened in October of 2023.
12:06And after that, Herr described Biden as a well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory.
12:10I said at the beginning of the show that that was that was a very, very charitable way to
12:15describe how Biden came off.
12:17Now that we've heard this key part of the audio here, he struggles to remember when
12:22his son, Beau, died.
12:23Watch.
12:24We were living in Chambers Road and there were documents related to the Penn-Biden Center
12:30or the Bidens or the cancer photoshop or your book.
12:35Where did you keep papers that related to those things that you were actively working
12:42on?
12:43Well, I, I don't know.
12:54This is what, 2017, 18, that period?
12:59Yes, sir.
13:00Remember, in this time frame, my son is either been deployed or is dying.
13:12And and so it was and by the way, there were still a lot of people at the time when I got
13:24out of the Senate that were encouraging me to run in this period, except the president.
13:35I'm not.
13:36I'm not.
13:37I mean, he just thought that she had a better shot of winning.
13:45Francie, let's go to you.
13:46When you listen to all four minutes, we'll have more in a moment.
13:51This is the biggest scandal that I remember in recent political history, that this man
13:57was allowed to continue as the commander in chief of the world's greatest superpower in
14:04that condition.
14:05What's your reaction to what you heard?
14:06I know he speaks kind of quietly, but I think people got the gist of what he could not remember
14:11and could not retain.
14:13Well, Laura, not only could he not remember or retain it, we don't even understand what
14:17he's saying.
14:18He doesn't ever finish his thought.
14:21He's so meandering.
14:22And to think that this man was president of the United States or at least supposedly the
14:27president.
14:28You're right.
14:29This is the greatest scandal in American political history, that it was covered up, that he was
14:33incapable of serving as president.
14:35I'm not sure Joe Biden was capable of ordering dinner for himself, much less ordering airstrikes
14:40or anything else the commander in chief might have to do.
14:44Alex, tonight, all these months later, after Biden left office, we still don't really know
14:50who was president of the United States for four years, really making the tough calls.
14:54Obviously, it wasn't the man we heard on that tape.
14:57Well, what's interesting is that Joe's always said that he's always been confused about
15:02how Biden died.
15:03He always said he would die.
15:04He died in Iraq and he would always forget that he died of cancer.
15:07And that was in plain sight.
15:08You don't need any other tapes.
15:09You don't need any books from CNN anchors to tell us that the cover up was done by the
15:15entire Democrat Party, the establishment media and everyone else who had a hand in Joe Biden
15:20remaining as president.
15:22They're gaslighting us now and acting like it was just five people close to Biden.
15:25That's completely bogus.
15:26They all saw this.
15:27They all knew this.
15:28They all saw this.
15:29And they went along with it anyway because they were so insistent on propping this guy
15:33up so he could execute the Democrat agenda.
15:35Yeah.
15:36Twenty nineteen on the angle, we were calling out Biden's mental confidence.
15:40Twenty nineteen.
15:41I mean, then twenty twenty came around and he did the Biden basement strategy so he could
15:46avoid actually, you know, appearing in public.
15:50But it was evident then.
15:51Francie was evident.
15:52And then we were trashed for impugning a man of a certain age who was just fine.
16:00We were trashed as, you know, delegitimizing a presidency when we were doing our civic
16:06duty and calling into question the competence of a man who was clearly better suited to
16:12be in an elderly facility or spending his final years with a family that he says he
16:18loves very much.
16:20Well, that's right, Laura.
16:21A great example that happened over and over again that we all saw with our own eyes was
16:26Joe Biden actually reading the instructions off the teleprompter, end quote, repeat phrase.
16:33This is not a man who had any idea what he was talking about, what he was saying or what
16:39he was doing.
16:40And it was apparent to us, like you said, as early as twenty nineteen.
16:43And all the mainstream media, all the Democrat leaders, everyone who met with him, everyone
16:49knew and lied and covered it up.
16:51And we still don't know who was making decisions, who pardoned all of those people, who made
16:57the executive orders that he supposedly signed or were signed with an auto pen.
17:01Will we ever know?
17:02That's my question.
17:03Yeah.
17:04Alex, we're the Ukraine war still going on, OK?
17:08That's still going on.
17:09Right.
17:10This guy was was was was greenlighting more and more money to Ukraine.
17:13Was he?
17:14No, he wasn't.
17:15This is insane.
17:17This is insane.
17:18Yeah.
17:19And that was entirely his fault.
17:20Yeah.
17:21That was entirely his fault.
17:22It was his foreign policy that provoked Putin to invade.
17:24He did everything wrong.
17:26There's been fundamental breakdowns of this by President Trump and his team, which is
17:29terrific.
17:30I wrote about it in my book about Joe Biden, Breaking Biden, New York Times bestseller.
17:33Laura, when I wrote the book, I wrote matter of factly he's a declining, declining mental
17:38capacity.
17:39I wrote this years ago and it wasn't even a thought.
17:41They're acting like, oh, we just learned it just now.
17:44Everyone knew and everyone went along with it because they like his politics as a Democrat
17:48party member.
17:50And that is a disgrace.
17:51The disgrace goes beyond that Biden's inner circle.
17:53It's everyone who's implicated here.
17:55Yeah.
17:56Thank you for saying that.
17:57I'm sick of these Johnny come lately or Johnny come of Tapper books, OK?
18:03We all knew it.
18:04You were all part of it.
18:05And now you're trying to sell books off of it.
18:07I find that personally really awful.
18:10Just awful.
18:11I know everybody has to make a living, but that's not a way to do it.
18:14Thank you very much.
18:15Both of you here with me now is Mike Davis, president, CEO of Article Three Project.
18:18Jason Chaffetz, Fox News contributor.
18:20All right.
18:21Both of you.
18:22He continued to struggle and to stay on this issue.
18:25When you hear it, it just makes your blood boil.
18:27He continued to struggle in the her interview back in twenty twenty three October about
18:33when his son died and then when Trump actually came into office, watch, you know, one of
18:41the things he said was, you know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, he said,
18:48you know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you know,
18:49he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you
18:50know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said,
18:51you know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you know,
18:52he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you
18:53know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said,
18:55you know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you know,
18:56he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you
18:57know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said,
18:58you know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you know,
18:59he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you
19:00know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said,
19:01you know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you know, he said, you know,
19:02that has, Trump gets elected in November of 2017, 2016, 2016, all right, so, why do I
19:18have 2017 here?
19:21That's when you left office, January of 2017.
19:27But that's when Trump gets sworn in, January, okay, yeah, and in 2017, Bo had passed, and
19:47this is personal.
19:50Okay, watching this, Jason, you know who I want to talk to?
19:54I want to talk to Jeffrey Zients.
19:56I want to talk to Jake Sullivan.
19:58I want to talk to the press secretaries.
20:00I want to talk to all the senators who met with Biden, because all of them knew this,
20:05and all of them lied about it.
20:08It's staggering to watch this.
20:10I find it absolutely beyond.
20:14It's so selfish and so self-absorbed.
20:16This is the United States of America.
20:18There's a potential for a nuclear war at a moment's notice.
20:22We got Russians and Chinese coming after us.
20:25This guy can't figure out when his own son passed away, when Donald Trump was elected,
20:30and there are people that are culpable, and that starts, I think, with Jill Biden, because
20:34she is at the top of the food chain.
20:35She is seeing that.
20:36It also goes to the White House Counsel's Office.
20:39They have a legal and fiduciary duty to this country that goes well beyond making sure
20:44that they can fill in the blanks as to when people passed away.
20:48Ed Siskel and Rachel Cotton, these should be common, these are names within the White
20:52House.
20:53They're filling in the blanks for the president.
20:55They don't feel like there's a duty to tell the attorney general, to tell the cabinet,
20:59to tell the senior leaders, the Gang of Eight, what's really going on here.
21:04That is totally selfish, and I think it's just so un-American.
21:08We really have to get to the bottom of all those that are culpable.
21:11Mike, I think Congress has to bring them all up.
21:14I mean, it's one thing to read the transcript.
21:16We're all lawyers.
21:17It's one thing to read the transcript, and that's all well and good, and it was embarrassing.
21:21It was bad.
21:22But to hear Biden, to go into the room with Biden, is a totally different matter.
21:27And you pump up that audio a little, and we have to pump it up so people can hear, but
21:31it's shocking.
21:33The man could not function, and yet they were pushing him through the motions, hiding him,
21:38calling lids, keeping him away from certain staffers, not returning phone calls of certain
21:43cabinet members.
21:44That was happening.
21:45Yeah, I mean, this is sad and terrifying, and it's, as you said, Laura, it's the biggest
21:51scandal in American political history.
21:54We saw Joe Biden when they could prop him up at his best, and he was bad.
21:59Who knew that it was this bad?
22:02It's very clear that Joe Biden was not in control of Joe Biden, so who was in control
22:07of Joe Biden?
22:08Well, who was president of the United States?
22:10I mean, the press wants to do all these tell-all books, and, oh, I got five interviews, people
22:17on the record telling me they were scared and he should be in a wheelchair.
22:21And Jason, how bad does all that look now with this audio, the way he sounded, how bad
22:27does that look?
22:28Well, we've only heard four minutes.
22:29There are hours worth of tapes over two days, and James Comer today announced that the Oversight
22:35Committee is going to dive into who was really running the auto pen.
22:40The Oversight Project was on top of this early, of which I'm involved with, and I got to tell
22:45you, whoever had their pulse on that auto pen, they were the acting president of the
22:49United States.
22:50Because this guy literally cannot figure out what year Donald Trump became the president
22:55of the United States.
22:56And these guys, by the way, all the Democrats, all week long, for actually weeks and weeks,
23:02they've been saying that Trump's an embarrassment to the country.
23:04How many times did they say that over the last four months?
23:08He's destroying our standing in the world, right?
23:11He's destroying the United States, the aura of the United States.
23:15It'll never be repaired.
23:17How many times have we heard the foreign policy establishment and the Democrats say that?
23:21He's a dictator.
23:22He likes dictators.
23:23And yet this was president?
23:26That's OK?
23:27Mike.
23:28Yeah, I mean, I think that Congress needs to call in every one of these cabinet members
23:34because they had a constitutional duty under the 25th Amendment to make sure that our president
23:39was mentally fit to serve.
23:41And they were clearly covering up for the president that they violated their constitutional
23:47oaths.
23:48Every single one of them, Jason, because every single one of them either knew or it was a
23:53gross dereliction of duty.
23:55The oath that they took was to uphold and faithfully execute the laws of the United
24:00States, uphold the Constitution.
24:01I don't think any of those top dogs in that White House, as smart as many, some of them
24:05are.
24:06And Jake Sullivan's not a dumb person.
24:07Zients is not a dumb person.
24:10They knew what was going on.
24:12The intent is obvious.
24:13They did not want to reveal to the country the truth about the commander in chief of
24:19the United States.
24:20You've been in the White House.
24:22It is steps away from the Oval Office and from upstairs.
24:25And so there are people like the national security adviser, Nadine Tandon, who is it
24:30was staff secretary.
24:31She had dual role, not only does domestic policy adviser, but she could also help control
24:36who where the signatures flow.
24:39And so these are the types of people that absolutely every single one of them should
24:43be called before Congress.
24:44They should go in for transcribed interviews or depositions and have to go on the record.
24:49What did they see and when did they see it?
24:51We can also talk about the media and them totally not doing their job.
24:54But there are people there who are paid by the taxpayers to protect the United States
24:59of America.
25:00They were protecting Jill and Joe Biden and Hunter Biden.
25:03They weren't protecting the best interests of America.
25:05Now, the media was focused on January 6, Charlottesville, their narrative.
25:11We have another piece of this audio.
25:14And joining us to react is Lisa Booth, Fox News contributor, Matt Towery, pollster and
25:19political analyst.
25:20Now, this is Biden speaking about, I think, faxing.
25:25Let's listen.
25:26So that's that's the reason I asked is if it was something that you wanted to hang on
25:31to because it was going to be the subject of reporting or it's not going to be so important.
25:37I want to hang on.
25:38I guess I want to hang on to it just for posterity's sake.
25:42I mean, this was my position on Afghanistan.
25:46I, I've been of view from a historical standpoint that there are certain points in history,
25:55world history, where fundamental things change using technology, for example, without Gutenberg's
26:03Freedom Press, Europe would be a very different place, literally a different place because
26:08countries would not have known what was happening in other parts of the country.
26:14Lisa, your reaction to what you've heard, it's four, four plus minutes so far, but there
26:20is a lot more apparently to come.
26:23Terrifying, terrifying, Laura.
26:26This was the president of the United States and the people that covered it up.
26:31They hate Donald Trump more than they love America to allow that man to be in the White
26:35House, to be our commander in chief.
26:38And when did this cover up begin, Laura?
26:40I think one of the biggest pieces of information that has surfaced, the most damning is that
26:44he forgot names dating back to 2019.
26:47He forgot an aide's name who had been with him since 1981, because so far the conversation
26:53is largely centered around should he have run for reelection in 2024, but should he
26:57have run in 2020?
27:00I mean, this coverup has been going on for a long time and they told us that President
27:05Trump was the threat to democracy.
27:08This is the threat to democracy to have that man in the White House.
27:11Well, there was no democracy if he, because he wasn't really president.
27:15So now he couldn't even remember that he actually had classified documents.
27:24Listen to this, Matt.
27:25So, Mr. President, was this something that you consciously kept after your term as vice
27:31president?
27:32Is this something that you wanted to hold on to?
27:35I don't recall.
27:36Did I have this?
27:37Was this in my possession, this memo?
27:38Yes.
27:39And to give you some context for this, Mr. President, it was found in the front of this
27:44notebook that's on the first page, and the notebook was found in the library at the White
27:51House in one of the drawers.
27:55I don't recall how it got back.
27:58I don't recall how it got back in the book, because I sent it to the president and I gave
28:03it to the president.
28:05This looks like the original.
28:06I don't think it was a copy made, but I don't think so.
28:09It was faxed.
28:10Oh, OK.
28:11That's why.
28:12Yeah.
28:13Now, there's the fax reference there.
28:16Matt, your reaction to this?
28:18I think some of it is not as bad as—the two major lapses are about two seminal events,
28:26the death of his son and the election of Donald Trump.
28:31Your reaction, though?
28:32Well, you know, I'm usually a pretty lighthearted analyst and pollster, and I like to put a
28:38little fun spin on things.
28:39It's a very somber night to me.
28:41The stories you've seen so far on this show, it sort of wraps everything up in a bow.
28:46We knew this was going on.
28:48We knew that the media was not telling the truth.
28:51I live in a world where pollsters put out polls that simply do not represent President
28:55Trump's real approval rating.
28:57I looked at the major broadcast networks just a few seconds ago.
29:01There's no story about this even coming out on Axios.
29:04So we're not shocked by it.
29:06Certainly someone's going to have to look into who was running this country.
29:09But I think more importantly to your viewers, this tells everyone the truth, that they went
29:14after Donald Trump with fake lies and meanwhile covered up for a president who had very serious
29:21problems grasping what he was doing and what the circumstances were around his own presidency
29:26and before he was president.
29:28So it's a very somber night for me.
29:31It's really amazing.
29:32Well, somber is one way to think about it.
29:37I mean, Matt, you are, I mean, you're very calm about this.
29:42What they did to Donald Trump for years, and then they did this to prop up this man.
29:49That tells you how absolutely bereft of values the Democrat Party, the once great Democrat
29:57Party, Lisa, has become.
29:59They were so consumed with hatred for the American people that Donald Trump represented
30:05that they would do this.
30:07If they did this, of course, they're going to say Trump's a dictator when he's been shot
30:10at twice, almost killed once.
30:13Of course.
30:14What else would they do?
30:15Well, you know, yeah, I mean, I'm angry, Laura, you know, I'm angry about this.
30:20And then also look at the heroes that they embrace, right?
30:23Look at James Comey, the fact that he called for the assassination of President Trump.
30:28You look at Tish James, who is under a mortgage fraud investigation.
30:31I mean, you look at the other George Floyd, Jacob Blake, right?
30:35So the Democrat Party, they're totally twisted.
30:38They're upside down.
30:39They're demented.
30:40They're not responsible for what they've done to this country.
30:41But also Joe Biden lied about his knowledge of having classified information.
30:45Remember, he told his ghostwriter that he knew he had classified information.
30:50And mind you, that classified information dated back to his time in the Senate from
30:54the 1970s, the 1980s, when he had no classification authority.
30:59And then he took his FBI to go after President Trump in an unprecedented raid of Mar-a-Lago,
31:07potentially trying to put his political opponent in jail when he had this classified information
31:12dating back to the time in the Senate when a president has the ultimate classification
31:16and declassification authority.
31:18So I think our contempt for these people is simply not enough, right?
31:22We don't hate these people enough.
31:24I keep saying this.
31:26There has to be accountability somewhere along the line, Matt, for this.
31:30You know, we're the greatest power that's ever come into being on the face of the planet.
31:38And yet somehow for four years, a guy who can't remember where he's going, where he
31:44is, who his close friends are and associates and his cabinet secretaries, was somehow,
31:50the whole world was able to be hoodwinked into thinking he was making decisions and
31:55he was actually executing the office of the presidency, when for four years he was not
31:59doing that.
32:01Well, this is one of the biggest scandals of my lifetime, and yet the media will treat
32:07it as if it's not one.
32:08Nothing.
32:09That's why they have no credibility.
32:11With these books.
32:12And so I think tonight, I want people to realize that everything that you've been telling them,
32:17that we've been telling them, that it's now true.
32:21And don't trust these media stories.
32:23Don't trust these fake polls.
32:25And someone does need to get to the bottom of this entire set of circumstances.
32:30And I'm sure they will.
32:31I was going to say, if again, if this can happen in the in the United States of America,
32:38with all of our resources and all these different media outlets and all these fancy degrees
32:43that all these journalists have have, you know, have in their lives, all these awards
32:48that get speaking at college graduations, the journalism awards.
32:53And then this.
32:55And then they want to applause when they when they interview a few people who say, oh, you
32:59know, the president might not have been there.
33:01He might not have been totally there.
33:03Maybe we should have asked a few more questions.
33:05And they think that's their mea culpa that absolves them of what they did.
33:09And then at the same time, trashing Trump for things that were completely false and
33:14defamatory and almost landed him in jail.
33:18They wanted him in jail.
33:20And frankly, a lot of them right now tonight want him dead.
33:23That's the truth of where this party is.
33:26So I'm not somber.
33:27I'm angry about this until there's accountability for the people who did this.
33:32And you know who you are, that our country is not in a right place.
33:37We have four years of Donald Trump and I hope he can make a big difference.
33:40But this has got to be answered for in some way, shape or form.
33:45And all you media people who are part of it.
33:47You're part of the problem.
33:48I'm sorry.
33:49I can't.
33:50You know, Matt, you're you're a nicer person.
33:51I am.
33:52You're sorry.
33:53I really am.
33:54Just depressed over.
33:55That was so well said, though.
33:57Yeah.
33:58How many times are you on the show playing Biden soundbites?
34:01Go ahead, Lisa.
34:02I think there is hope, though, because the American people elected President Trump.
34:06Right.
34:07So there are more sane people in this country than the insane part of the country.
34:11And so there is hope.
34:12And even if the media won't do their jobs, the American people will.
34:15Yeah.
34:16Well, the Democrats are still still doing their assassination culture stuff, their assassination
34:21chic while while this story is out tonight.
34:24So we can't let this go.
34:26Lisa and Matt, thank you for putting up with my rant.
34:28I appreciate it.
34:29All right.
34:30I had more breaking news.
34:32More of this Biden, her audio just released.
34:40This is a Fox News alert.
34:41We're still going through the audio just released of Biden's interview back in 2023 with special
34:47counsel Robert Herr.
34:49Remember, this was a two day interview in October of that year where Herr described
34:54him as after doing the interview as a well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory.
35:01Remember, he wasn't ultimately charged with anything.
35:04Axios obtained the audio.
35:05And in this part, Biden could not tell coherent stories.
35:11He claims he shot a bow and arrow and then embarrassed the Mongolian leader.
35:16You know, I went to Mongolia and great pictures, I unfortunately, unfortunately, I didn't get
35:24to embarrass the hell out of the leader of Mongolia as I was sure they were doing what
35:30they would do at the time of the invasion of the Mongols into Europe in the 1400s and
35:38the 800s.
35:39And so we're out in the middle of nowhere, and I'm looking up on the hill and I see this
35:43tiny line.
35:44You know, it's a 20 mile horse race with all these kids under the age of 16 on a bareback
35:50racing to come down.
35:51And, you know, they're sumo wrestlers and doing everything they do.
35:56And so they walked over and they had a target, a big bale of hay, a hundred yards away.
36:02And these gorillas were, you know, taking shots.
36:06And I think, I don't know if it embarrassed me or to make a point, but they handed the
36:12bow and arrow.
36:13I'm not a bad archer, but all I found that word, I can pull it back.
36:20And true to luck, I hit the gun in target.
36:23No, I really did.
36:27I don't know what the hell he's talking about there, frankly, but here with analysis is
36:31Jonathan Fahey, former acting ICE director under President Trump.
36:35He's an old guy who gets lost in his old stories, can't quite connect the dots, asks simple
36:42questions, responds with tedious, indecipherable stories from years gone by.
36:49But Jonathan, this is the president of the United States in the middle of his term in
36:55office.
36:57Yeah, this is I expected this to be very bad.
37:00It is so much worse than I even could have possibly imagined.
37:04And remember, after this interview and this interview, he was prepped probably for dozens
37:09of hours with lawyers.
37:10So he should have been able to get through this interview quite easily.
37:14But remember, he and everyone on his staff defamed Robert Hur after this.
37:20They were saying these were gratuitous things.
37:22They suggested that Robert Hur was the one talking about Bo dying and trying to trip
37:27him up.
37:28And Biden refused to answer because he was so offended by Hur's questioning.
37:32Now we know that's all lies.
37:34And they defamed him.
37:35They defamed him.
37:36And the worst part about it, Merrick Garland, around the same time, is defending Biden's
37:41competence, knowing this tape is out there, knowing the reason they weren't going to release
37:45it.
37:46Remember the baloney about why they wouldn't release it, it would somehow harm other investigations
37:51or some nonsense like that.
37:52It was all lies from everyone in this administration.
37:56Everyone said it was just political.
37:58We had MSNBC hosts like Joe Scarborough saying Biden was at the top of his game, never sharp,
38:04never sharper.
38:05I'm paraphrasing.
38:06But essentially, like anyone questioning Biden's competence around this time was just part
38:12of the right wing echo chamber and should not be listened to.
38:17It doesn't matter if you're a federal prosecutor.
38:19You were baiting the president.
38:21You were trying to trip him up.
38:23It was a game.
38:25Robert Hur was, I thought, very gentle in these questions.
38:31And quite, I think, in real time, you could hear the discomfort in Robert Hur's voice
38:39having sat through a lot of these types of interviews.
38:42When I was a criminal defense attorney, the prosecutors are usually like that.
38:50I thought Hur was extremely gentle.
38:55Right.
38:56It's almost like they felt sorry for him.
38:57And they're doing these fake laughs at the old person's stories.
39:01It's really pathetic.
39:02And I was a federal prosecutor for 17 years.
39:05And if I had an interview like this, I probably would have reached the same conclusion Robert
39:09Hur did, which is this guy, he didn't want to say it in his report, but basically this
39:12guy is not competent to stand trial.
39:15And the fact that he was somehow still competent to be the president of the United States is
39:20so alarming.
39:22And the fact that anyone around Joe Biden should ever have any credibility on any issue
39:26after this.
39:27Any issue.
39:28It's just so bad.
39:29Well, yeah.
39:30Any issue.
39:31I mean, they've lied and lied.
39:32If they're going to lie about something this important, they will lie about all matters
39:37of significance.
39:38And I want to remind everyone how they deflect and how they play the game when they're pressed
39:45on this question of decline, cognitive decline.
39:49The Biden's appearing on The View.
39:52There have been a number of books that have come out deeply sourced from Democratic sources
39:56that claim in your final year, there was a dramatic decline in your cognitive abilities
40:02in the final year of your presidency.
40:04What is your response to these allegations?
40:06And are these sources wrong?
40:08They are wrong.
40:09There's nothing to sustain that.
40:12And, you know, one of the things that that.
40:17Well, you know, one of the things I think is that the people who wrote those books were
40:23not in the White House with us and they didn't see how hard Joe worked every single day.
40:31I mean, he'd get up, he put in a full day and then at night he would I'd be in bed reading
40:38my book and he was still on the phone reading his briefings, working with staff.
40:45I mean, it was nonstop.
40:48It was nonstop, Jonathan.
40:50I mean, he just doesn't stop.
40:52He moves.
40:53And if he doesn't, I deny him breakfast.
40:56I don't know what.
40:57I'm sorry.
40:58That's me.
40:59But she was the chief enabler.
41:02It was beyond chief enabler.
41:04She was part of the cover up as well.
41:07It's so shameful.
41:08This is probably one of the most shameful political episodes by a political party.
41:12But also probably it has to be the most shameful episode of our mainstream media in all of
41:18history because all of us saw this.
41:20Casual media observers saw this.
41:23Everyone on Fox saw this.
41:25But they defended him to the hilt.
41:27And now we even know what we saw wasn't even the tip of the iceberg.
41:32It was so bad.
41:33And we're probably going to get more will come out because people are still defending
41:37him, even to Jake Tapper's book.
41:39They're only giving like a part of the story because they're still trying to defend themselves.
41:44But somebody is going to break ranks and we're going to find out this was just beyond belief.
41:49I really didn't even know what day it was.
41:51Jonathan, thank you very much.
41:53And I had more breaking news on this shocking Biden, her interview audio.
42:00So you can imagine we are curious what you meant when you said I just found all the classified
42:08stuff downstairs.
42:11I don't remember.
42:14I'm not supposed to speculate, right?
42:16Correct.
42:17OK, well, I don't remember.
42:20And it may have been.
42:28I just don't remember.
42:30OK.
42:31Well, he actually may be telling the truth there because he couldn't remember where he
42:34was at any given point in the day.
42:36OK, so that actually may be accurate.
42:38But nevertheless, he had a very close working relationship, as everyone does with their
42:42ghostwriter here with me now, Chris Bedford, the Beltway Brief author.
42:46Chris could remember when Trump was elected, could remember when his son died, couldn't
42:51remember a pretty serious conversation with the ghostwriter who helped him write his book.
42:55Who was president of the United States for four years?
42:58That guy.
42:59That's the real question.
43:00And that's what matters so much more than just the political nature of this.
43:03Was he capable of running a campaign?
43:05Was he capable of defeating Donald Trump?
43:07His people around him, his administration, were arguing months after this tape was filmed
43:13or recorded and for years still that he was completely capable of making national security
43:19decisions.
43:20I've been listening to these tapes since they've been released.
43:22The person who's being recorded in it is not capable of making national security decisions.
43:27He's confused, doesn't seem to know where he is, doesn't seem to know what year it is.
43:31He's constantly having to be reminded.
43:34Every American who's lucky enough to have family and loved ones knows people who've
43:39gone through this.
43:40They recognize it.
43:41You'll want to be sympathetic to it.
43:43But we were lied to.
43:44Now, this is a massive cover up.
43:46And Merrick Garland claimed that these tapes couldn't be released.
43:49And the reason he gave for it was national security.
43:53He said he's at law enforcement, excuse me, law enforcement methods.
43:56And that's a complete lie.
43:57We can see that now.
43:58Chris, Chris, thank you very much.
44:00Sorry, it's a short segment.
44:01We have a hard break.
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