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00:00Welcome to this special edition of Hannity. I'm Jason Chaffetz, in for Sean. This is a
00:10Fox News alert. We are following two major breaking news stories tonight. Former FBI
00:15Director James Comey met with the Secret Service this evening after his 86-47 post on Instagram.
00:22More on that in a moment. But first, first, less than 13 minutes of audio from the infamous
00:28Biden-Herr interview has been released by Axios, and special counsel Robert Herr's concerns
00:35about Biden's memory at the time appear to have been more than warranted. Alexandria
00:40Hoff joins us now with the very latest. Alexandria.
00:43Hi, Jason. Good to be with you. You know, you'll recall reading the transcripts of special
00:48counsel Robert Herr's interview when it was released last year. And from that alone, it
00:52was clear that the president had meandered through responses to direct questions relating
00:57to his possession of classified documents post-vice presidency. In his report, Herr
01:01highlighted the president's struggling with memory and timeline. But listening to the
01:06exchange recorded over two days back in the fall of 23, and now obtained by Axios, reveals
01:11the scope of that struggle via Biden's tone and extended pauses.
01:15Where did you keep papers that related to those things that you were actively working
01:24on? Well, I don't know. This is what, 2017, 18, that period? Yes, sir. Remember, in this
01:41time frame, my son has either been deployed or is dying. And so.
01:56President's son, Beau, had been last deployed in 2009, passing away in May of 2015. That
02:01was a date that he had to be reminded of during that interview, along with when President
02:05Trump was first elected. Listen. Trump gets elected in November of 2017, 2016. All right.
02:16So why do I have 2017 here? That's when you left office, January of 2017. Okay. But that's
02:30when Trump gets sworn in. Well, Axios writes, that day, it took her more than two hours
02:36to clearly determine how the documents could have ended up in various personal desks and
02:40file cabinets after Biden left office. That was because Biden kept veering into other
02:45subjects. Now, despite determining that Biden had willfully retained classified materials,
02:50special counsel Herr declined to bring charges, in part due to believing that jurors would
02:54consider Biden, quote, a sympathetic, well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory.
02:59That comes into better focus with this audio, as does the Biden White House's refusal to
03:03release the recordings. Jason.
03:06Alexandria, thank you. Also breaking tonight, former FBI director James Comey met with the
03:11Secret Service earlier this evening for roughly 70 minutes. The Secret Service also anticipates
03:18interviewing director Comey's wife, following his 86-47 post on Instagram, which can be
03:25interpreted as an assassination threat against President Trump. Here now to break down the
03:30latest, our very own senior White House correspondent, Peter Doocy. Peter.
03:37And Jason, Secret Service agents right now, as we speak, are testing the strength of James
03:42Comey's claim that he didn't know there could be any violent connotations to this post where
03:47he showed seashells spelling out 86-47. We have learned in the last couple of minutes
03:53that this interview lasted for 70 minutes and that the former FBI director was hauled
03:58in through the garage entrance of a federal building in D.C. It was a standard interview
04:03to give his side of the story about why he posted what he called a cool shell formation
04:08from a beach walk. Those shells, of course, spelled out 86-47. Comey was not arrested,
04:15but according to President Trump, that could change soon.
04:20He knew exactly what that meant. A child knows what that meant. If you're the FBI director
04:26and you don't know what that meant, that meant assassination. And it says it loud and clear.
04:34I've seen he apologized and said he doesn't apologize for violence. But look, he's a very
04:38bad. What do you want to see happen? What do you want to see happen? I don't want to
04:41take a position on it because that's going to be up to Pam and all of the great people.
04:45I have cash. I have Pam. I have great people. And I'm going to let them because if I tell
04:51you something, they'll say, oh, I'm not going to get involved.
04:56Some of the outstanding questions tonight. What did James Comey think 86 meant in this
05:01context? What beach was James Comey at? Did he really find these seashells in an 86-47
05:09pattern just as a naturally occurring thing? And also, is it possible that he took the
05:19photo from someone else? We are hoping to get information like that. All of these questions,
05:23of course, though, befitting of James Comey's new job as a crime fiction writer. Jason.
05:28Peter Doocy, thank you. As tonight's tapes reveal, during an interview with Robert Herr,
05:34launched into a very strange story about Mongolia. Have a listen.
05:41You know, I went to Mongolia and great pictures. I unfortunately embarrassed the hell out of the
05:50leader of Mongolia. They were doing what they would do at the time of the invasion of the
05:59Mongols into Europe in the 14th and the 800s. And so we're out in the middle of nowhere and
06:06we're looking up and see this tiny line. You know, it's a 20 mile horse race with all these kids
06:12under the age of 16 on a bareback racing to come down. And, you know, they're sumo wrestlers and
06:19doing everything they do. And so they walked over and they had a target big bales of hay
06:25a hundred yards away. And these gorillas were, you know, taking shots. And I think I don't know
06:32if it's an embarrassment or something like a point with a hand at the bow and arrow.
06:37I'm not a bad archer, but all I found that word I can pull it back. So I
06:45feel like I hit the gun in target. Oh, I really did.
06:50Interesting. We'll have to fact check that one. Also breaking today, House Oversight Committee
06:55chairman James Comer is launching, launching an investigation into Biden's use of the auto pen.
07:01Chairman Comer joins us now with the latest. All right, chairman, you got your hands full.
07:07Tell us first about what you announced earlier today about what you're doing with the auto pen,
07:12because I do some work with the oversight project. They were on this early, but you are going and
07:18looking at who is controlling this auto pen because Joe Biden, I mean, he's demonstrating
07:24that he doesn't have all the cognitive capabilities they had. That interview was from 2023.
07:30Yeah, that's hard evidence. Early in the president Biden's term as president,
07:37it clearly shows that he was in a significant mental decline. It questions who was actually
07:45making the decisions. So what we found is not just with the pardons he issued, but many of
07:50the executive orders that the courts are now using to Trump proof, many of the executive
07:55orders that President Trump is trying to implement to make government more efficient. Many of these
08:00executive orders, as well as the pardons of Biden's entire family, as a result of our investigation,
08:06these were all signed with the auto pen. And clearly from that interview, which was many,
08:12many months prior to the heavy use of the auto pen, Joe Biden wasn't capable of making decisions.
08:20He wasn't coherent. We think we've identified who the staffers are. Jason, you all have done
08:26great work with that over at Heritage Oversight. We're going to bring everyone that we believe was
08:32involved in any role in the use of the auto pen. We're going to invite them to come in for a
08:37transcribed interview. If they want, then they will receive a subpoena and they will have a
08:41full blown deposition. But we want to find out who was actually making the decisions in the White
08:47House during the last nine months of the Biden administration when he was clearly in mental
08:51decline. And what do you make, where do we go next in terms of your investigation? There are
08:58senior staff there, starting with Jill Biden, right? The first lady, you have the chief of staff,
09:04you have Neera Tanden, who had these dual responsibilities and perhaps was in control
09:09of the auto pen. You have the cabinet, you have other senior staff that are interacting with them,
09:14but they were routinely directed and told us that Joe Biden, who was of clear cognitive
09:21capability, that he was sharp as a tack. And yet they went after and criticized
09:28special counsel Herr for his questioning and coming up with the summary that says,
09:33yeah, this is an old man who really has a hard time.
09:37Yeah. I mean, that was, that was breathtaking. That was Herr being nice to Joe Biden,
09:42but warning America, look, we've got a serious issue here with the president of the United States.
09:48Anytime people like me or Jim Jordan raised the question publicly whether or not Joe Biden was fit
09:55to serve as president, people like Jake Tapper and people in the legacy media
10:00attacked us. They called us insincere, rude, you know, just the worst names in the world.
10:08Now they've all turned on a dime and they're doing what we knew all along. They're trying to say,
10:15oh, there was a coverup. Someone covered up. We know there was a coverup. The media, as usual,
10:20the legacy media is late to the game. What we want to know is who was in the ring leader of
10:26the coverup, but who was making the decisions? I mean, there were some major decisions made by
10:31Joe Biden, especially in the last three months of his administration. Who made those decisions?
10:37Somebody has to give the authority to use the auto pen. Obviously, Joe Biden wasn't the one
10:41that stuck the papers and the pardons in the auto pen. Some staffer did that. Who authorized the
10:48staffer to do that? There's no paper trail. There's no evidence that we found that that
10:52person was Joe Biden. So we're looking at the senior officials and don't rule out Hunter Biden.
10:57He spent a lot of time in the Oval Office in the last three months. We know that from
11:01press accounts and from sources that were involved in the inner workings of the White House then.
11:07Chairman Comer, one last question. That is about this interview,
11:10the Secret Service getting involved, bringing in, doing an interview with James Comey.
11:16What do you think? When you look at this, do you think this was just some accident that the
11:21FBI director, former FBI director, didn't know what he was posting up about Donald Trump being,
11:27obviously, number 47? My opinion of Comey is so bad. I don't know that I could give a
11:33fair and balanced answer to that question, Jason. Everything that he was involved in,
11:37that I was involved in investigating, there were mistakes made. There were lies told.
11:43There was incompetence demonstrated at every step of the way. So my confidence level in James Comey
11:50is so low. I could see that he made a simple mistake, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if
11:55that was intentional and they were trying to jizz up some type of coup or some type of
12:01insurrection, as Jamie Raskin would say, or whatever. Look, they're, they're losing their
12:06minds over Trump's success in securing the border. All the things the media said president Trump
12:11couldn't do that he did in the first three weeks of his term has made people like Comey
12:16very anxious now and, and who knows what, what led to the decision to post that picture.
12:21Chairman Comer, thank you so much. And on your split screen here, you're seeing that Air Force
12:25One has touched back down here in the United States of America. The president of the United
12:31States and others on that plane, we anticipate, we'll cover live for you when we see the president
12:37exit the plane. You never know with Donald Trump, he may stick up, step up to the microphone and
12:42start answering questions and offering statements. You never quite know. So we'll keep your eyes on
12:47it. But the president of the United States now safely back in the United States of America.
12:52Also tonight, another shocking revelation from tonight's release of the HER audios,
12:57it was Biden's complete inability to remember he had kept classified documents. Have a listen.
13:05So that's, that's the reason I asked is if it was something that you wanted to hang on to
13:09because it was going to be the subject of reporting. I don't think it was going to be
13:12subject of reporting, but I wanted to hang on. I guess I wanted to hang on just
13:18for posterity's sake. I mean, this was my position on Afghanistan.
13:24I, I've been of view from a historical standpoint that there are certain points in history,
13:32world history, where fundamental things change using technology. For example,
13:39without Gutenberg's printing press, Europe would be a very different place.
13:43Literally a different place because countries would not have known
13:47what was happening in other countries, other parts of the country.
13:52Joining us now is Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee. Senator, we have a release of these
13:58tapes. There are more than six hours of tapes, but we've only heard less than 13 minutes.
14:04What's your impression after hearing those 13 minutes?
14:08When you listen to these tapes, Jason, what you see is we had a president, Joe Biden,
14:15who clearly could not remember dates, times, places, was very confused and really saw no
14:23reason that he should not have all the documents that he wanted to have because it was his memory.
14:30It was his position. I, I find it just so troubling, but you know, one of the things
14:36when you look at this, when you look at what James Comey has done, you realize how deep the
14:44two tiers of justice really ran through the Biden administration. And thank goodness,
14:50we have President Donald Trump. We have A.G. Bundy. We have Kash Patel. We have people
14:56focused on cleaning this up and putting a stop to this. You're on the Senate Judiciary Committee.
15:04My understanding here is, well, I want to get a clarification. What will Senate Judiciary do?
15:10They've got the gavel. What are they going to do? Because the coverup within the White House,
15:17you have the general counsel's office, you have the White House counsel's office,
15:21you have these attorneys who were there at the White House. There is the first lady,
15:28there is the attorney general. Do you believe there is a fiduciary responsibility to inform
15:34others that the president of the United States, the person with the codes to the nuclear bombs,
15:40was not of the cognitive capability to make good, rational, regular decisions?
15:46And it's amazing to me also what they did in terms of going after special counsel Herr.
15:52They tried to discredit him immediately. Of course they did, because they were running the
15:59country by committee. We all continued to hear that, that Biden was not the one that was making
16:05decisions. But yes, indeed, this is something that needs our attention and our investigation,
16:12both the House and the Senate. It also is going to need investigative work by the Department of
16:19Justice and the FBI. And Jason, we are very, we've got a lot that we're looking at. But the
16:27American people voted on November 5th to change how things were done. They gave a mandate to
16:33Donald Trump. They want to put an end to this two tiers of justice. They want to put an end
16:41to having government weaponized against people. And, you know, look at what is happening with
16:49deportations. And you've got mayors like our Nashville mayor here in Tennessee that is trying
16:55to defend these criminal illegal aliens and protect them from deportations. You need to
17:04look at all of this. Senator Marsha Blackburn, you do have your hands full. As we look at,
17:10looking live at Air Force One, touching back down at Joint Base Andrews. Stay with us. We're going
17:16to cover that live and coming up, tapes of Biden answering questions from special counsel Robert
17:21Herr were just released and they show how bad Biden's cognitive decline was. We'll play more
17:27of the tapes. Dr. Mark Siegel joins us next as this special edition of Hannity continues.
17:32Welcome back to this special edition of Hannity. This is a Fox News alert. President Trump just
17:38walked down the steps of Air Force One, arriving back in the United States after his historic trip
17:44in the Middle East. And now we continue our coverage of our top story tonight, the tapes of
17:49then President Joe Biden answering questions from special counsel Robert Herr about his mishandling
17:56of classified information. They were just released and as expected, they reveal a man who is struggling
18:02cognitively. So what does that mean about Joe Biden's health and mental state? Well, he was
18:08the most powerful man on the planet. Joining us now is Fox News Senior Medical Analyst, Dr. Mark Siegel.
18:17Dr. Siegel, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you. Now,
18:22we've all, like I said, we've seen less than 13 minutes of six hours of tapes, but it's pretty
18:27scary. It's even worse than it was what was written down on a piece of paper. When you hear
18:32the dramatic pauses, the slurring of the words, forgetfulness about major, major dates that
18:39anybody could come up with, what does that tell you as a doctor?
18:44Well, you know, Jason, I have to point out that I'm not a doctor. I'm not a physician.
18:50Well, you know, Jason, I have to point out that we were talking about this on this show
18:54almost five years ago when he was running for president. And I never considered those gaffes.
19:00I mean, I hadn't examined him, but they never seemed like gaffes. They seemed like periods of
19:04disorientation, loss of memory. His physician at the time, Kevin O'Connor, was explaining away his
19:11gait. And you just saw how well President Trump walks down the stairs of Air Force One. Well,
19:16President Biden, not to make a comparison, was stumbling, was halting. And it looked to me like
19:21a neurological kind of gait, like something upstairs was wrong. And he has atrial fibrillation,
19:26which can cause vascular dementia. And we never saw an MRI. We only saw excuses made,
19:32excuses for gaffes. So I'm actually not surprised to see this. But what's really disturbing,
19:38of course, is to see in the audio itself that he doesn't remember when his poor son died,
19:44that he doesn't remember when he left the office of vice president.
19:47He doesn't remember when Donald Trump was elected. And probably worst of all,
19:52he was let off the hook on the classified documents because he doesn't remember
19:56that they're classified documents. That's not someone fit to be commander in chief of the
20:00United States. We're talking with Dr. Siegel here about the Biden tapes being released tonight by
20:06Axios. But we're also simultaneously watching President Trump, who's back on the ground.
20:11He's now aboard Marine One. Back in the United States of America, Marine One's about to roll
20:18out and get up in the air there. We're live at Joint Base Andrews. We'll continue to show you
20:25the video of what's going on here until it goes out of the camera shot. But Dr. Siegel, let me
20:30go back to you here because that is the concern. The most rigorous, vigorous job on the face of
20:36the planet where you have to make split second decisions could be as dramatic as nuclear war,
20:41but you've got to deal with things that affect people's lives that are dealing with our military
20:47in a split second. Did you hear or see anything that would lead you to believe in those minutes
20:54that he was cognitively up to the role and responsibility of being the president?
21:01No, absolutely not. And I actually have to point something else out that
21:05our viewers may not know. These things wax and wane. So you might have your good moments. You
21:10might even have your good days. And you may be the last to know that what you're suffering from,
21:15but everybody else around you know. So that makes this a massive cover up, which is what we've been
21:20suspecting and stating for a long time. A good day or a good sound bite doesn't make you qualified
21:26to be president in that moment. And another thing that's come up, and I don't want to speculate, but
21:31could he have been given something to make him do better or perform better at a certain moment?
21:36We don't know the answer to that either. I think it's time for full disclosure. There's a lot of
21:40reasons President Trump won, but probably the main one is that the American public feels that
21:45they were lied to and that there was a cover up here. How responsible do you think the White
21:50House physician, there is always at the president's side within very short distance, a medical doctor
21:57that is there to serve the country, not just the president, but to serve the country, to protect
22:03the country from a president who may get hurt, may have an episode, may have a medical situation.
22:11How culpable is that person? Is it possible that person could just claim that they were oblivious
22:16to it? No, Jason, I've written a lot of these myself and not for the White House, of course,
22:23but I read the fine print and I was screaming at the time, where's the MRI scan and why are you
22:28calling this gait problem orthopedic? And by the way, why are you saying the neurological exam
22:34was normal and the neurological evaluation was normal when in retrospect, it hardly looks like
22:39that? He's got a lot to answer to right now. I take those documents very seriously and any
22:45physician should. They shouldn't obfuscate, they shouldn't mislead, and especially not the American
22:50public regarding the highest office of the land. Dr. Siegel, thank you so much for joining us
22:56tonight as we watch this video on Marine One. When the president takes off, there are three
23:03helicopters that take off for a variety of reasons, safety reasons and deception
23:08reasons to protect the president of the United States. We've kept our eye on it. That's President
23:12Trump now making his way away from Joint Base Andrews as he's back in the United States.
23:19All right. The release of the H.E.R. report was basically the first instance of an independent
23:24source revealing that Joe Biden did in fact have cognitive issues. H.E.R. wrote this in his report
23:31that Biden was an elderly man with poor memory. But of course, at the time, the media rushed to
23:37Biden's defense and did their best to cover it up. Here's a reminder. Oh, but he leaned right
23:44into it last night and said, I am a sympathetic elderly man who has a good memory. Moments
23:48after defending his memory, the president mistakenly referred to the president of Egypt
23:52as the president of Mexico. He did later get it right. If someone says you're too far left,
23:57you can tack to the center. You there's not. The man is 80 years old. He rides a bike.
24:04Oh, the intellectual curiosity. Well done, folks. Of course, the media and the left are now singing
24:10a slightly different tune. In fact, Politico reported this morning that whether or not a
24:15Democrat admits they knew that Biden had problems has become something of a litmus test for the
24:21party as they try to move on from their crushing defeat in 2024. But even with that public pressure,
24:27some people still insist that there was nothing wrong with Biden at all. That includes former
24:34national security advisor Jake Sullivan, who says he was completely shocked by Biden's horrible
24:41debate performance, despite the fact that, according to a new book, Biden once forgot
24:46Sullivan's name and called him Steve. Here now with more is co-host of Two Ways, The Morning
24:53Meeting, former Democratic strategist Dan Turrentine and Fox News contributor Miranda Devine.
25:00Dan, I really appreciate you coming on. You strike me as somebody who calls balls and strikes here.
25:06And look, politically, you know, there's some excuse and some understanding that, hey, we got
25:11to make sure that we put the president in the best light. But this was so over the top. And now it's
25:17really turned where Democrats, I mean, all they can say is we're looking forward. They don't seem
25:22to do anything else other than, hey, we're looking forward. Is that going to cut it with the American
25:27people? No, it's not. I mean, it didn't even cut it, frankly, with Democrats in 2023 and 2024,
25:34where 70, 80 percent of them in polls kept saying he was too old to run.
25:38But you had three legs of a stool that tried to prop him up. You know, you've talked about the
25:43White House, how they would say he's sharp as a tack. They would browbeat anybody that, you know,
25:48attempted to question them. You had the media that thought if they gave an inch, it was going to give
25:53a mile to Donald Trump. So they took the talking points, ran with it, never asked questions.
25:58And then you had all these members of Congress, governors that all had their own examples of it
26:03in private. I was a lobbyist in Washington at the time. We heard it from members at,
26:08you know, fundraisers and when ties were loosened in the evening. And it was, you know, ironically,
26:12those same members that kept telling Democrats we're not going to have a primary. We all have
26:17to rally around Joe Biden. And, you know, now it's laughable that they're trying to pretend
26:23what everyone knows. They've lied. They tried to cover it, blew up in their face.
26:28And I think the best advice is be first, be honest and get out there. And the American people
26:33tend to be fairly forgiven. Yeah, I think that's true. It's sound advice, but Miranda, I don't see
26:39many Democrats heeding that advice and go back for us because boy, when that HER report came up,
26:46it was explosive, but boy, they went after him, right from the White House counsel who was sitting
26:51in the meeting and already heard and understood what went on in that meeting. They still defended
26:57the president. Yes, well, they were taking their marching orders from the president who was
27:04outraged at the idea that anyone would think that he was adult when he was obviously adult
27:11in that interview. But he I think there's more to it. He was sort of adult, but crazy like a fox,
27:20I would say. It's almost muscle memory for Joe Biden to get himself out of a tight spot.
27:26And when you read the transcript, you can see that every time Robert HER or the prosecutors
27:32got near a difficult question that was going to incriminate Joe Biden, he immediately started
27:40filibustering and rambling on with these ridiculous stories about, you know, Mongolian archery and,
27:48you know, old school things. And he did it, I believe, to throw them off the scent because
27:57he knew that Robert HER had limited time with him, as you say, six hours. And he also knew that he
28:04was guilty that he had those classified documents. One of the segments that was released tonight,
28:10he's just feigning ignorance and acting very vague. So I'm not saying that he isn't cognitively
28:19deficient, and he certainly was. But he was canny enough to avoid answering any of those questions.
28:26And I think the biggest story is, why have we only seen what is it 8-13 minutes coming out of the
28:33Trump Department of Justice? We know why the Biden Department of Justice hid this audio from
28:40the public. I think that really, we're being diverted away from a worse crime by the Department
28:49of Justice under Joe Biden. And maybe many of those people are holdovers now, and they don't
28:54want the full audio to get out. Because I think what it will show is that they let Joe Biden off
29:01the hook, even though they had him red-handed every which way with classified documents all
29:07over his house. And remember that Bob Bauer, his lawyer, told Chris Whipple, one of the authors of
29:15these tell-all books, no way would I have let Joe Biden go into that interview if he was non
29:22compus mentis. Do you think I would do that as his lawyer? So it is insane. And I think there's
29:28more to this. And I just wonder why Pam Bondi doesn't release the entire audio, instead of just
29:34selectively leaking bits to Axios. So I think this is an outstanding question. Because based on what
29:42was going on with the Oversight Project, the court had determined, my understanding is, that by May
29:4820th, the Trump Department of Justice needed to make a determination as to whether or not they
29:55were going to continue to fight its release, or they were going to have to cough up all of these.
30:00So why would, it's, you know, in a 6 p.m-ish hour, on a Friday night, would 13 minutes come out? I
30:08think that begs another question for another day. Dan and Miranda, really do appreciate you joining
30:15us tonight on Hannity. All right, coming up, former FBI Director James Comey met with the
30:19Secret Service tonight, after his controversial 86-47 post. Greg Jarrett and Nicole Parker will
30:27join us with more as this special edition of Hannity continues.
30:36Welcome back to this special edition of Hannity. Turning now to the other big story tonight,
30:41former FBI Director James Comey was interviewed by the Secret Service today, after posting a
30:47photo on Instagram of a shell formation on a beach that said, 86-47. 86 can be interpreted by
30:55some as meaning to kill. Of course, for years, James Comey led a politicized and weaponized FBI.
31:03That's exactly what new FBI Director Kash Patel is trying to root out. As part of that effort,
31:10Director Patel announced today that the Bureau will be leaving its longtime headquarters at
31:15the Hoover Building on Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, D.C., and that 1,500 FBI employees
31:22will be moved out of the D.C. metro area into the rest of the country. Here now with reaction,
31:28our former FBI Special Agent Fox News contributor, Nicole Parker, and Fox News Legal Analyst,
31:34Greg Jarrett. Thank you both for being here. Nicole, first of all, thanks for your service
31:40in the FBI. Two-part question. How good is it to have the FBI dispersed more into the countryside
31:46than just residing there in Washington, D.C.? But the other part of it is, what are the odds
31:51that James Comey had no idea what 86-47 meant? All right. Well, first of all, I think it's
31:59absolutely fabulous that they are getting agents and personnel out of D.C. and sending them back
32:05to the field, because you know what? That's where the crimes are happening. You need to send agents
32:08back to the field. That's what Americans want. They want to be safe. And I can tell you that a
32:12lot of the politicization, the root of a lot of problems at the FBI came out of FBI headquarters
32:17in Washington, D.C. And so that's great. That's phenomenal. Thank you, Kash Patel, for doing that.
32:22That's something I highly recommended. And I'm glad to see that he's taking swift action.
32:26And I can tell you a lot of FBI agents are very happy about the changes that he has made,
32:30because the morale had really hit an all-time low when I left the FBI. But I do think that things
32:35are definitely getting back on track. As far as James Comey, I was an FBI agent under his
32:42leadership. I wouldn't exactly call it leadership. I do believe that James Comey
32:47was the person that destroyed the FBI. That was the beginning of the destruction of the FBI.
32:52In my opinion, 2016, when he said no reasonable prosecutor would charge Hillary Clinton,
32:56and then he goes on into the Operation Crossfire Hurricane debacle, it was one thing after another.
33:02And I believe that he has a very bruised ego. He did not like that President Trump fired him
33:08while he was visiting an L.A. office for the FBI. But that firing was fully, you know,
33:14it was justified. And as FBI agents, we were glad that Jim Comey was fired, because we thought that
33:20he, again, destroyed the FBI. And sadly, the FBI has never recovered since. Greg, look, I was the
33:27chairman of the Oversight Committee when James Comey came before us and lectured us on the idea
33:32of intent. He was so arrogant about his approach on intent and lecturing us about that in the
33:42country, not just me, but in answering our questions. His intent here is in question,
33:48right? And does he just get full protection and say, oh, it's the First Amendment, and I didn't
33:53know, and I was innocent? Does he have all those protections moving forward, or is he culpable,
33:59potentially, if he did this? Allegedly, I'm trying to put all the disclaimers I can in there.
34:06How culpable could he potentially be? Well, Jason, the legal standard is, did Comey
34:14know that his public message could be understood as a threat of harm to the president, particularly
34:20in the context of two assassination attempts? In other words, did he mean it as a true threat?
34:28If so, yes, he could be prosecuted, because the courts have said a true threat is not protected
34:36as political speech under the First Amendment. Look, Comey knew exactly what he was doing,
34:42so he immediately tried to cover up his intent, as you point out, by claiming that he didn't
34:48realize the term 86 connotes getting rid of somebody by violence or murder. You know, gee
34:53whiz, I just didn't know, he said. Is that believable? Not a chance. He was a federal prosecutor,
35:00head of the FBI. He and his office put mobsters away for 86ing people. He knows what it means.
35:06He's not an idiot. He's malevolent. But now he's trying to weasel out of it by playing dumb, Jason,
35:13which is what he always does. As you know, he lied about the Russia hoax. He deceived the FISA
35:19court. He lied to the American people. He's devious. And when he was finally forced to
35:24testify in the House, you remember this, he said, I don't recall or I don't know 226 times.
35:34So his standard backup defense is always when he gets caught, a sudden case of amnesia or terminal
35:41stupidity. He's not stupid. He is conniving. He's scheming. He's unscrupulous, not to mention
35:48vainglorious. I mean, he's truly a despicable person. I think he's lying about what he did
35:54in this case. I've only got about 20 seconds for each of you, but reaction to the her tapes
36:00and their release and what you heard. Seriously, 20 seconds each. Nicole.
36:06The fact that Joe Biden was our president and that's how it was just totally he's totally
36:10incoherent. He did not know what was going on in our country. That's terrifying. And I'm just
36:14grateful that we now have a very highly competent and present president. Thank you, President Trump.
36:20Greg. Yeah. You know, even before he was elected, I was writing columns, doing podcasts,
36:27explaining how he was mentally incompetent and it only got worse. I agree with Nicole.
36:34In retrospect, and frankly, at the time, it was truly frightening. Yeah. Thank you both for
36:42joining us tonight on Hannity. Do appreciate it. All right. Coming up, more reaction to tonight's
36:47huge breaking news from former U.S. Attorney Brett Tolman. Stick with us as this special
36:53edition of Hannity continues. Welcome back to this special edition of Hannity. Special counsel
37:00Robert Herb's concerns over Biden's memory were validated by tonight's Axios release of audio
37:06from his 2023 interview with the former president. Biden repeatedly forgot years in which key events
37:13from his life took place. Have a listen.
37:43As Trump gets elected in November of 2017, 2016, 2016. All right. So.
38:01That's when he left the office in January.
38:04Okay. But that's when Trump gets sworn in.
38:14And in 2017, Bo had passed. And this is personal.
38:29His son Bo had passed away in 2015, not 2017. Joining us now with his reaction to all of the
38:38big breaking news tonight, former U.S. Attorney Brett Tolman. Brett, first, I want to get your
38:44reaction to the release of these tapes. Less than 13 minutes of six hours of tapes. Special
38:50counsel Herb goes out there, makes a statement and just gets attacked and pummeled by the White
38:56House up and down. But they were in the room. They knew this was happening. Are people culpable
39:02there of protecting and covering up? Is there a duty, a fiduciary duty and responsibility to inform,
39:09say, the attorney general or the Congress, maybe the Gang of Eight? What is their role
39:14and responsibility in covering up what was obviously cognitive decline of a president?
39:21There's no question there was a cover up. I find it fascinating, Jason, if you
39:25listen to it, most people are going to focus on the president's responses.
39:29But focus on those asking the question. It is remarkable to me that this is an interview
39:36to determine whether or not there's sufficient evidence to charge an individual with a felony.
39:43And I've never heard questioning like this. This is the type of questioning you hear when you see
39:50a very vulnerable witness or a potentially incompetent witness. It is not the kind of
39:56questioning that you go into at what would be a hostile environment and ask very hard,
40:02difficult questions and expect to have details conveyed back to you in order to determine
40:09whether or not a felony had occurred in relation to these classified documents.
40:13So I listened to the investigators and then I listened to the president's attorneys. And it is
40:19remarkable to see how often that they are jumping in in order to rescue and save the president.
40:25That is the biggest indicator to me that we had a president at that time that was incapable of
40:31leading this country. And what it also says to me is, look at everything important that happened
40:36afterwards. Who was pulling the strings? Who was the one that was operating the auto pen?
40:45What about the pardons and the clemency that was granted later? It puts all of that in question
40:50now that we see what the president was like in this interview. It's fascinating as being somebody
40:55who is one that has actually done these types of interview. That's a fascinating perspective.
41:00Before we run out of time, Brett, I got to ask you, though, about James Comey. You know James
41:04Comey. You've worked with James Comey. But in many ways, I mean, it's just stunning where he's at
41:11and what he did. What's your whole perspective on this fiasco?
41:17Never was there such a meteoric rise and such a remarkable fall of an individual that placed
41:25politics above all else and revealed himself to be more inclined to do something that served his own
41:34self-interest rather than the interests of the country. And it's shocking for those of us that
41:39worked with him and admired him in the early part of his career. But I hope that it's thoroughly
41:44investigated, and I hope a strong message is sent. It's the predictability of being prosecuted
41:50in this instance that is going to be the deterrent.
41:53Very quickly, Brett, can he just claim the First Amendment right and ignorance?
41:59Is that good enough, or is he potentially more liable than that?
42:03I think it is a violation of 871, given his position, given his knowledge, given the
42:09leadership that he has in this country, his former position. To me, when you post something that says
42:168647, to me, that's a call to others. It's screaming for others to do what we don't want to
42:25see happen in another assassination attempt of a sitting president.
42:29Brett Tolman, former U.S. attorney, thanks for joining us tonight on Hannity. Stay with us
42:33on this special edition of Hannity. We will be right back.
42:44Wow, what a week. Oh my goodness, and a lot happened this week. That's all the time we have
42:48left for this show tonight. Don't forget to check out my podcast, Jason in the House. Your life is
42:54not complete until you listen to this podcast. Type in Jason in the House, wherever you listen to
42:59podcasts. You'll love it. It'll be great. Thanks again to Sean Hannity for allowing me to sit in
43:04his seat. Greg Gutfeld is up next. He'll put a smile on your face. Sean is back on Monday.
43:11Have a great weekend.
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