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00:00Good evening, everyone. I'm Laura Ingram. This is Ingram Angle from Washington. Tonight,
00:06as always, thank you for joining us. This is a Fox News alert. Disgraced FBI Director
00:12James Comey making a threatening post against Donald Trump tonight as the president is overseas.
00:19Fox's Peter Doocy is live from Abu Dhabi with all the details. My goodness, Peter.
00:26And Laura, the real head scratcher about this very serious topic is that James Comey
00:31wants us to believe, and we have this photo here, that he saw a cool, these are his words,
00:36cool shell formation on my beach walk. And the cool shell formation, according to the
00:42person who used to be in charge of the FBI, shows shells in the shape of 86-47. 86 is
00:50common restaurant lingo, of course, for denying service to somebody. But after about 30 seconds
00:56of Googling, you can see that a good chunk of people all around the world also associate
01:0186 with meaning to kill somebody. An old mob saying, basically, take somebody eight miles
01:08outside of town, and then you put them six feet in the ground. James Comey, again, a
01:13guy who has prosecuted mobsters, apparently had no idea that this was a thing. He deleted
01:19the original post with the cool shell formation, and he writes, I posted a picture earlier
01:25of some shells I saw today on a beach walk, which I assumed were a political message.
01:30I didn't realize some folks associate those numbers with violence. It never occurred to
01:35me, but I oppose violence of any kind, and I took the post down. That's not enough for
01:41Donald Trump Jr. He says, just James Comey casually calling for my dad to be murdered.
01:47This is who the Dem media worships, demented. And Kash Patel, as we were coming to air,
01:53the new FBI director, one of Comey's successors, is saying that he is in touch with the Secret
01:58Service, and they are going to be sending Secret Service agents to talk to James Comey
02:04about what exactly he was getting at. Patel says, we are aware of the recent tweet by
02:08former FBI Director James Comey directed at President Trump. We are in communication with
02:12the Secret Service and Director Curran. Primary jurisdiction is with the Secret Service on
02:16these matters, and we, the FBI, will provide all necessary support. This is, of course,
02:22a president who has had two assassination attempts on him within the last 365 days.
02:28We were with him at an airbase in Qatar this morning. He was telling the story about Butler
02:32PA. The security footprint, especially on an international trip like this, is extraordinary.
02:38We watched the president's motorcade go by our hotel earlier. It's like seeing a fast,
02:44like a sped-up video of a hour-long parade. There are so many cars, there are so many
02:50threats that exist against the president of the United States, coming from international
02:54actors, rogue actors. We did not think that we were going to see a former FBI director
03:00from here in Abu Dhabi suggesting something like this, but most White House officials
03:07at 3 a.m. here in Abu Dhabi appear to be asleep, unless they're just ignoring my text messages,
03:13for some other reason. We would expect a ton of reaction to this around sun up in two
03:20or three hours.
03:21Well, Peter, this is the same man, James Comey, who implicitly, explicitly said that Donald
03:30Trump and his tactics are threats to democracy, threats to the future stability of America,
03:38threats to our norms. So are we to believe that the interesting shell formation is just
03:44another, that's a norm? Is that what we're supposed to say is normal now?
03:49Laura, yes, all true. Are we supposed to believe that James Comey, one of the world's most
03:57famous investigators ever, was just walking on a beach somewhere and he came across shells?
04:05Nobody helped the shells get into this shape to say 86, 47?
04:12No, no one did.
04:14I don't know. I go to the beach all the time. You know what happens after somebody lays
04:18out shells like that? One minute later, they get washed away.
04:22Well, I don't know.
04:25It sounds like the Secret Service is about to find out.
04:28As if there wasn't enough news this week in the Middle East. Now this back at home.
04:35Peter, get some rest. Thank you very much. Here with me is Richard Staropoli, former
04:40Secret Service agent. Rich, does James, does James Comey's explanation of this pass any
04:51straight face test? A shell formation, which is a threat to Donald Trump's life, is just
05:01something he came across on the beach.
05:03Yeah, of course he did. He also came across the abominable snowman and Sasquatch while
05:07he was walking along on the beach. Listen, this guy, James Comey, has been a problem
05:11since day one. He likes to talk about how Trump is unethical, immoral, a threat to the
05:17United States. How about the former director of the FBI has got nothing better to do than
05:23put shells in a formation that says 8647? And then he claims, well, I just happened
05:29to find this. And you want to talk about this guy's mental cognition. Let's compare
05:34him to Joe Biden. Are you kidding me? This is just more of the same from 120 or so days
05:41ago. This guy's trying to stay relevant. He's a complete zero. And this latest episode just
05:48shows what a complete clown show he is and the FBI is. And now the Secret Service is
05:54going to say, well, we're going to investigate. Are you kidding me? The Secret Service is
05:58no better now than it was when it had those last two directors. These guys can't get out
06:03of their own way. The FBI is a complete disgrace. Still, you know, Cash Patel, Danny Bongino,
06:11Sean Cardinal with their service need to clean house and get it done now. And I hope Pam
06:17Bondi and her people go after this guy with everything that he's worth. You're the former
06:22director of the FBI. The president of the United States, who, by the way, was rightly
06:27elected, is out of the country in the Middle East, no less talking to what one of our greatest
06:33threats, the Iranians, the Qataris. And you go and do you pull a stunt like this? How
06:38juvenile this is high school. But you know what? This guy needs to be prosecuted. This
06:43has got to stop. Yeah, well, and this is after we still don't know anything about Thomas
06:49Crooks, who almost killed Donald Trump at that field in Butler. We know nothing. How
06:55is it that America with with the hundreds of billions we've spent on intelligence and
07:01technology and the best of the best over the last, what, 50 years? We can't we can't tell
07:06the American people what what who was this Thomas Crooks? Did he really act alone? I
07:11mean, we don't really know. We know nothing about him. It's crazy. Why we know. You know
07:16why we know so little about the investigation, because so little investigation was done.
07:21The Secret Service, the FBI and the Department of Justice under that cryptkeeper of the attorney
07:26general that we had back then, they didn't do a damn thing. The president of the United
07:31States was shot and no one does anything. No interviews were done. We still haven't
07:36even seen the inside of this guy Crooks's house. For all we know, there were two people
07:40on that roof. We don't know anything about this. Talk about just dropping the ball. And
07:45the American people were just supposed to sit still for this. We're coming up on a year
07:48here and we know nothing more than what we did from that afternoon. And the only reason
07:53we even know the little that we know is because it was so widely covered by the twenty five
07:58thousand people that were there. Now, we still we don't know much about that other idiot
08:02nothing near Trump's golf course. We know very little about him, too. Went overseas
08:06in the Ukraine. I mean, nothing. But I go back to us. I got it, Richard. I got to go
08:11back to what you said, though, that the FBI and the Secret Service still is filled with
08:17a lot of rot because the goal of this administration is to clear out the rot. They want to clear
08:22out the rot. They want to they want to make it more efficient, make it make things more
08:27seamless and transparent where possible for the American public. And I know they have
08:32dedicated people who want to do this. So your message to them tonight after this obvious
08:38threat against the president's life. Yeah, the obvious threat to the president's life.
08:43They've got to get rid of the senior leadership and management at the FBI and the Secret Service.
08:49You know, I don't care if they fire them all and they threaten to sue. You know what? That's
08:53why we've got the Department of Justice and we've got Pam Bondi. Let her and her people
08:57handle that. But you've got to get these people out of here. There are plenty of people at
09:02the lower levels at both of those agencies that are dedicated, that are capable and that
09:07will do the job. Put them in those leadership positions. This has got to stop and it won't.
09:13If those people are allowed to stay. So when we when we hear that the Secret Service is
09:17aware of this and we don't know, have they actually launched an investigation? You're
09:22saying that that won't come to fruition in any meaningful way, given the current makeup.
09:28Is that what you're saying? I doubt it will. Who are they going to send out there to do
09:32this investigation and what investigation are they going to do? When I was at the Secret
09:36Service, you know, if you were a construction worker, you were overheard saying something
09:41about the president, regardless of who it was. At least two agents were going to pay
09:45you a visit, put a report together and let's see what this is all about. Let's see what
09:50happens now. Right. This was clearly this guy needs to be interviewed and let's see
09:54if they're going to release that to the public. And depending on who they send out, that'll
09:59tell me how serious they are. Rich, best guest we're going to have on tonight. Thank you
10:04very much. All right. Here to discuss Molly Hemingway, Fox News contributor, editor in
10:08chief of The Federalist and Rich Zioli, host of The Rich Zioli Show, Molly. White House
10:13deputy chief of staff Dan Scavino just posted this. Comey truly is a POS. While he'll claim
10:20not to know what 8647 means, there's no doubt that the former disgraced FBI director knows
10:26exactly what he's doing with a plea to bad actors, terrorists to assassinate the POTUS
10:32while traveling internationally. Do not let him get away with it. Molly.
10:37Well, Jim Comey, everyone knows he's lying if he now says that he didn't understand what
10:41he was sending out when he called for the assassination of President Trump following
10:46two very serious assassination attempts just in the last year. But this is very on on par
10:52for James Comey. You might remember that he was one of the main orchestrators of the Russia
10:56collusion hoax. He knew that CNN wanted to publish a story about the Russia collusion.
11:02And so he orchestrated a briefing of President Trump, incoming President Trump and then President
11:06Obama. Then somehow that magically leaked to CNN. He had those FBI agents do a deceptive
11:12interview with Mike Flynn where they acted like they were briefing him and instead they
11:16were conducting a hostile interview. He also oversaw all the leaks from the FBI that led
11:21to the Russia collusion hoax. And then when he finally got fired by Donald Trump in I
11:25think it was May of 2017, he leaked all those memos in order to gin up a special counsel
11:31in order to subvert that first Trump administration. This is a guy who has quite literally been
11:37a threat to a not democracy, but our constitutional republic over the way that he ran the FBI
11:43and his criminal leaking of information. And he has never been held accountable. So it's
11:48not shocking to see him now escalate to the point where he's calling for the assassination
11:52of President Trump. This is very dire for him indeed.
11:55Yeah, he comes across as completely mentally out of it, completely mentally unstable. Rich,
12:01your reaction tonight?
12:02Well, everybody knows what 86 means, Laura, and that's the thing. If it's not 86, what
12:07does it mean? It's not just a beautiful shell collection. I was a waiter, go 86 to shrimp,
12:1286 to chicken. That means there's nothing left. The reality is this, the left wants
12:18him dead. They do their rhetoric, calling him Hitler. They call it Donald Trump Hitler
12:22because they hope that somebody thinks that they can take out Hitler and restore the world
12:27to democracy. It is a message to people who are not all there in the head that you got
12:32to do something very, very important for humanity and for history. They know what they're doing.
12:37And you know, it's such an insult to our intelligence, Laura, where they turn around and go, Oh,
12:41I didn't know what that was. I just thought it was nice shells. You didn't know what 86
12:44was? Come on. Anybody who's ever been to a restaurant or worked in a restaurant knows
12:47what that is. But also to the point of what Peter said earlier, eight feet, six feet under,
12:52Come on, James Comey here. Be honest. He hates Donald Trump. Donald Trump fired him
12:57and good because James Comey was behind the Russia collusion. But the left does not just
13:02want to see Donald Trump finish his term war. They want to see him dead. Let's be honest,
13:05Molly. I think that in the end, uh, the Democrat party is so caught up. And so it's being,
13:15it's self emulating and hatred and loathing of middle America, middle America that Donald
13:22Trump represents. And he's totally changed. We're gonna get to this next segment. He's
13:25totally changing the game in the middle East. They hate that too. Do they not Molly?
13:31Yeah. Well, Democrat hatred has become something of a epidemic in our country. And it is, as
13:37you point out, not just about all this, all these death threats against president Trump,
13:41but really the root of that hatred against American values, against middle America, average
13:47working class people. But it's, it's something that needs to be dealt with seriously because
13:52they are, they're advancing and getting more dangerous and more violent. And we've seen
13:57that over the last decade or so with destruction of cities. And yes, I do think it's partly
14:01lashing out because they are resisting what is clearly a transformational presidency.
14:05Molly rich. Thank you both very much. And Trump's playing, as I said, by his own rules
14:11in the middle East. My angle explains it next. And now who says we can't, that's the
14:21focus of tonight's angle. All right, forget James Comey for a moment. What an amazing
14:27week this has been. Look at how they greeted Trump in Dubai tonight. The Burj Khalifa,
14:33the tallest building in the world gives a salute to America. Now personally, I love
14:39seeing all the pomp and circumstance for a real American president this week. Which country was
14:45the best host of the U S delegation? Do you think you watched a lot of it? Well,
14:49it was like they were all trying to outdo one another.
15:03America has never seen anything like this for decades. We've been locked into fight mode.
15:09Captive to stale strategies and dusty thinking. Americans were conditioned to believe that we
15:15couldn't show strength unless our military was firing missiles or we were dropping bombs
15:20somewhere. But Trump never bought any of this. He never bought that line. From day one, his
15:26attitude was since this hasn't worked, why not try something different? His radical idea was,
15:34let's make more friends, more money for our people, and we'll fight fewer wars.
15:41Now, this simple concept has been at the core of this week's historic trip.
15:45I don't think our friendships ever been stronger than it is right now. And you will never see
15:50anything like the relationship that we have. We just left Saudi Arabia, as you know, and
15:55you have a fantastic crown prince. These weren't cluster bombs. These were love bombs. And they
16:01continue today in the UAE. Trump was the first American president to visit there. So rather than
16:07insult them with lectures, he took time and showed respect. Well, I'd like to thank you, your highness.
16:17What a lot of people don't know, I think my staff is very surprised by it. You and I have been
16:23friends for a long time. We've been good friends. And what they don't know about you is that you are
16:31considered a truly great warrior. This is how you do it. It's diplomacy, Trump style.
16:37And it often involves business, business that's mutually beneficial.
16:42And his involving corporate leaders, frankly, that was a masterstroke. And it's paying dividends,
16:48first in Saudi Arabia, then in Qatar, and today in Abu Dhabi.
16:53Your wonderful brother came to Washington a few weeks ago and he told us about your generous
17:01statement as to the 1.4 trillion. And all I could say is thank you very much. We have now,
17:08I think, substantially over 10 trillion dollars of investment. And now when I add the 1.4 trillion,
17:17we easily break that number. We're having numbers that we've never done before. We are going to be
17:23your friend and we're going to be your partner. And we really appreciate your confidence and
17:28investment. That's your biggest investment that you've ever made. And we really appreciate it.
17:34What a concept, an American president as the promoter in chief of the United States,
17:41unapologetically pro-American, with a hand of friendship always extended.
17:47I shook more hands than any human being is capable of doing. They were starving for love
17:55because our country didn't give them love. They gave them a fist bump. Remember the fist bump in
17:59Saudi Arabia? He travels all the way to Saudi Arabia in that case, and he gives them a fist
18:05bump. That's not what they want. They don't want a fist bump. They want to shake his hand.
18:09More than a fist bump. But wait, wait, wait, wait. I thought it was Biden. He flew all around. He was
18:16the master at foreign affairs. After all, he was so inspiring. The message I want the world to hear
18:22today, America is back. America is back. Diplomacy is back at the center of our foreign policy.
18:33Oh, yeah, that didn't work out too well. Joe may have logged a lot of miles on government jets and
18:41met all the world leaders, but none of it, and I mean none of it, meant that Americans were any
18:46better off. Instead, a lot of us in America were embarrassed. And now, a new era with Trump 2.0,
18:55it's hard work, friendship, and optimism.
18:59This has been an amazing trip. We've raised trillions of dollars of investment for our
19:05country, and we're dealing with really good people that have been abandoned, in a way,
19:11by our country and by the United States, and we're not going to abandon them. We have very
19:15good friends in Saudi Arabia and in Qatar. They felt abandoned. They were going to be
19:20captured by China from the standpoint of trade, and that's not going to happen anymore.
19:26No, it won't happen again, but only Trump and his team saw this. Remember, for years,
19:32the old dinosaurs of the D.C. foreign policy establishment, you know who they are,
19:37they dismissed, they ridiculed his brash approach. They called out his supposed foreign policy
19:43naivete. But after this trip? Not in the habit of praising Donald Trump, but I got to tell you,
19:50I, the last week or so in the Middle East, I think the president has, in this last week or so,
19:55played the Middle East pretty darn well. I got to give him some kudos there.
19:58I don't know why Joe Biden didn't do this. I don't like Trump's motivations for lots of things he
20:02does, but he's, one thing you will say is he's not, like, tied to this, like, constant fear,
20:08stupid, you know, blob type, you know, well, we don't do this, so we must leverage the sanctions
20:14for blah, blah, blah, you know. No, sometimes you just have to try something different.
20:19Okay, liberals praising Trump. Then this headline, Biden officials impressed by Trump's Middle East
20:26visit, one saying, gosh, I wish I could work for an administration that could move so quickly.
20:32And the China box out also getting noticed in this piece, calling Trump's trip remarkable
20:38because of mega deals and because he's outfoxing China. Again, that is 100% right.
20:44Think of all the idiotic headlines, trashing Trump's approach to foreign affairs. He's just
20:49like Putin. He's destroying our alliances, total chaos. But you know, through all of that, Trump
20:56just ignored the white noise and he kept smiling. You notice he's smiling a lot in the second term
21:01and he's doing things his way and knowing that it was his job to fix the mess that all the others
21:10had left behind. And that's the angle. All right, coming up, Biden's handlers played dumb
21:16again about his brain drain. Former Speaker of the House Kevin McCarthy is here to react.
21:26Your agencies are strengthening standards so that when the government funds research,
21:33it includes women from the beginning.
21:37That was story time with Dr. Jill. Remember that cabinet meeting?
21:41She had to take over for the guy actually who was elected. Don't you miss all that cringe?
21:48I know you don't. And now new revelations, how convenient, from the sudden truth tellers who
21:53are the very ones who of course facilitated the Biden coverup. According to Jake Tapper
21:58and Alex Thompson, multiple cabinet secretaries now say that they were actually blocked from Joe
22:04Biden's inner circle in the last two years of his presidency. The first cabinet secretary we
22:10spoke with told us they thought at some point these restrictions were about control. Yes,
22:14the president is making the decisions, but if the inner circle is shaping them in such a way,
22:18is it really a decision? They told us. Are they leading him to something?
22:23Two other cabinet officials were also concerned. I don't think he has dementia,
22:28said cabinet secretary number two. But the thing is, he's an old man. The president can give you
22:33four to six good hours a day when he got tired. Sloppy isn't the right word, but his guard was
22:39down. During one rare meeting during that time, the third cabinet secretary told me they were
22:44shocked by how the president was acting. He seemed, quote, disoriented and, quote, out of it.
22:50Here to weigh in is Kevin McCarthy, former Speaker of the House. Mr. Speaker,
22:55I know people have to sell books and I get that. I understand that. But anyone with one eye,
23:02forget two eyes, and one ear saw this Joe Biden decline. I'm going back to 2019 and 2020. He was
23:11slipping and the slippage kept speeding up as the time was going on. You saw it and you went
23:17on the record about it, I know, in 2024 in that Wall Street Journal article. Yeah, but that Wall
23:23Street Journal article took six months to write because everybody was attacking and they were
23:28afraid that they were going to be. Anytime I came forward with the examples that I found this
23:33president not knowing where he was at, I got criticized from Morning Joe. They'd go after and
23:39just put the attack dogs on me. There was a time when I went into the White House and the difference
23:45was, it's just like the Middle East trip. It's such a contrast to a Biden trip to a Trump trip.
23:51You know, in the White House with Trump, things are humming, things are going, everything's moving.
23:56When you went to the Biden White House, nobody was there, nothing was happening. Then when you
24:01went to the Oval where everything happens with the president, people coming in and out,
24:05nothing was happening. When you went in to see the president, he asked you if you wanted a cookie,
24:10Joe Biden would. There was this one time I went into the White House and he was disoriented. He
24:14didn't really know who we were, what we were doing. Then he took us on a tour back to the
24:21dining room. I remember him saying, Jill was on the other side, and he goes, you want to go see
24:26the pool? Jill yells out, no, no, they don't want to go see the pool. He goes out that back door,
24:32which I've never been out before, that glass. He takes us down to the swimming pool. At this
24:36moment, I'm feeling like, oh my God, I got to help the White House staff get this guy back into the
24:41White House. It wasn't until we got back in and back in the Oval Office that he started to click
24:45and realize who he was with. Then he started to lecture me about something. I remember each time
24:52I would meet with Joe Biden, it was a different Joe Biden. He would show a lot of signs of it.
24:58Sometimes he'd get really angry or speak very soft. I remember taking Patrick McHenry in one
25:04time. I warned Patrick ahead of time, watch what will happen here. We won't negotiate with the
25:09president. Let him say whatever he wants to say. Sometimes you won't even be able to hear him.
25:14He would turn to Patrick and tell stories from the 1980s.
25:20This is what the elderly do when, sadly, they begin to lose their faculties. It happens to
25:25the best of them. You revert to the old stories because that's all you can retain. The things
25:32that are happening contemporaneously are hard to process. With any speed, alacrity of thought,
25:37any of that. I want to get to you on this. Again, this is supposed to be a revelation
25:44in this new book that Biden couldn't remember the names of his aides.
25:50He called his national security advisor, Jake Sullivan, Steve. Biden said the name Steve again,
25:56trying to call him into the Oval Office. He referred to his former current spokeswoman,
26:01Kate Beddingfield, as Press. Sullivan told Politico that he was surprised to read this
26:07because Biden knows his name. This is like the Comey story. Comey didn't know what the shells
26:15were on the beach. We're supposed to believe in 2024 that the people who saw him every day
26:22and interacted with him every day were not really aware of most of this.
26:28We're supposed to believe that? No, they all knew and they covered it up. When I would want
26:33to interject, if we were negotiating something, you couldn't get to him. I don't believe the
26:38staff saw him every day. It really seemed to me they kept him away from everybody. There's days
26:43he would wake up that they just put a lid on it. Israel was getting attacked. They decided to put
26:48a lid on it. There was this one time he was supposed to specifically call me. He was overseas
26:55in this one window coming on Air Force One. They made a big point about it the day before. This is
27:00the only window. Just before the call came, they said, no, no, no, we have a satellite problem.
27:06It wasn't until an hour or so later he came on. He seemed as almost he was juiced up. It was the
27:11best Joe Biden I'd ever heard him talking about issues. It was so different. Then he goes, I want
27:19to see you tomorrow when I come back. I'm going to have to rest for a while. I said, okay, I won't
27:23see you in the morning. We'll see you later today. Then it was back to the old Joe Biden who could
27:27only talk from cards, was talking about an issue we had taken off the table. Everybody knew it was
27:35going on. From that point of view, they walled him off. This is what happened once he had
27:41that debate with President Trump and the rest of the country knew it. Did you see how many Democrats
27:46quickly said we need to switch him out because they were afraid that they got caught covering
27:51up for him the whole time. It was their water gate. Well, this will go down as one of the most,
27:57I think, serious derelictions of duty that we've seen across the board from top government
28:03officials. Irresponsible and chaos was created because someone who wasn't elected was actually
28:10the president of the United States for four long years. Biden was never president. Someone else was
28:14president. You knew it and everyone else knew it. Mr. Speaker, thank you for having spoken out
28:19and you knew about this and you had the guts to go on the record. Thank you very much.
28:23All right, coming up. I was in the courtroom today for two and a half hours at the Supreme Court,
28:29hearing the oral arguments in that monumental case about permanent and universal injunctions,
28:37how they're blocking Trump's agenda. What I saw and what the court may do next.
28:42Should a single district court judge be permitted to issue an injunction that freezes a presidential
28:49action across the entire country? Well, that was the question before the Supreme Court today in a
28:54case challenging the president's executive order ending birthright citizenship. Justice Alito had
29:00some thoughts. And the practical problem is that there are 680 district court judges and they are
29:07dedicated and they are scholarly. And I'm not impugning their motives in any way. But, you know,
29:12sometimes they're wrong. Well, he went on to say their courtrooms are their kingdoms.
29:19That was the key part of that. Ouch. So I was in the courtroom for the oral arguments.
29:24I got a little nostalgic, I have to admit. But two and a half hours later, I couldn't even guess
29:29which way the court would go. But as usual, Justice Thomas made it clear that he was going
29:34But as usual, Justice Thomas made a key point.
29:38General, when were the first universal injunctions used?
29:46We believe that the best reading of that is what you said in Trump against Hawaii,
29:50which is that warts in 1963 was really the first universal injunction.
29:54So we survived until the 1960s without universal injunctions.
29:59That's exactly correct. And in fact, those are very limited,
30:01very rare. Even in the 1960s, it really exploded in 2007.
30:07The numbers tell the story. During George W. Bush's two terms, only six nationwide
30:11injunctions were issued. That number doubled during Obama to 12. For four years of Biden,
30:17the number nearly doubled again to 22. But during Trump, there were 64 in his first term
30:23and already 39. And he's not even four months in. So the bottom line today was a mixed bag.
30:29Amy Coney Barrett did not seem to buy the Trump administration's position here.
30:34Ditto for all of the Democrat appointees, with Justice Kagan raising
30:39one of the more interesting questions.
30:41For all kinds of abuses of nationwide injunctions, if one thinks that it's quite clear
30:47that the EO is illegal, how does one get to that result? In what time frame
30:53on your set of rules without the possibility of a nationwide injunction?
30:59Well, what was clear after watching the justices grapple with this case is that Congress needs to
31:04grow a spine and step in. It's time for legislation either banning these injunctions or
31:08severely curtailing them by limiting forum shopping. Here to unpack it all is Missouri
31:14Senator Eric Schmidt and Mike Davis, former law clerk to Justice Gorsuch, founder of the
31:18Article 3 Project. Mike, let's hit the oral arguments first. Here's another from Justice Kagan.
31:25Let's just assume you're dead wrong. How do we get to that result? Does every single person
31:32that is affected by this EO have to bring their own suit? Are there alternatives? How long does
31:39it take? How do we get to the result that there is a single rule of citizenship that is the rule
31:47that we've historically applied rather than the rule that the EO would have us do?
31:51Mike, your reaction to that? She says, how do you ever get to the result there?
31:56Well, I think this is amazing that Justice Kagan has now changed her position because she used to
32:03oppose nationwide injunctions when we had Democrat presidents, but she suddenly supports them now
32:09that we have President Trump. Look, these judges under Article 3 of the Constitution have a modest
32:16but crucial rule. It's to decide cases and controversies of the parties properly before
32:23the court with redressable claims. Nothing more, nothing less. They wear robes, not capes.
32:30A lot of things that were discussed today, Senator Schmidt, one of them was,
32:34and I don't want to get too wonky, but the certification of the class. It was a snap
32:39certification. They didn't go through the process of really properly certifying it. In my view,
32:44Mike, you probably agree with me under the rules. So that became a big topic of conversation.
32:49But in the end, I mean, the numbers do not lie. How much President Trump, and they said today,
32:55well, it's because he has so many executive orders more than anyone else. That's why they
32:59were saying there were so many injunctions. But at some point, this becomes a total abuse
33:04of Article 3 powers, does it not? And what is Congress going to do about it?
33:09Yeah, we've seen abuse. I mean, you've got two thirds of the injunctions that have ever been
33:13issued in the history of the country against President Trump, and more in the first 100 days
33:17than the eight years of Barack Obama and Joe Biden combined. So there's clearly abuse.
33:22I actually, though, I'm a little, I'm encouraged. John Sauer, who's the Solicitor General made the
33:26argument. He was my Solicitor General in Missouri. I listened to those oral arguments. I think the
33:31questions, and it's always a little dangerous, Laura, as you know, to kind of look into the
33:35crystal ball based on the questions that are being asked by the court. But Justice Barrett
33:39and Chief Justice Roberts were both asking questions about what is the better remedy.
33:45And I think what they'll land on, this is just my guess, is that they're going to land on the
33:49better way to do this is to actually certify a class and have that class action maybe make its
33:55way to the Supreme Court, as opposed to this sort of one district judge issuing a permanent injunction
34:00for the whole country, and then the court may or may not ever see it again. So I'm hopeful,
34:06actually, that there'll be five, at least five justices that curtail, if not completely eliminate
34:11the abuse. But to your question, Congress should step in. Chairman Grassley on the Judiciary
34:15Committee has got legislation. I also think we need to make sure that these cases are actually
34:19randomly assigned. We've seen abuse with Bloomsburg. And even when I was AG in Missouri,
34:24the Eighth Circuit, which is relatively conservative, there's only one Democrat
34:27appointed Eighth Circuit appellate judge. And somehow that judge ended up on these three
34:31judge panels all the time. So I think there needs to be some accountability there, too.
34:36Ain't that convenient. Mike, do you agree with that? I mean, I'm not as optimistic as
34:42Senator Schmidt after sitting there for two and a half hours. But your view on this?
34:46I want to agree with Senator Schmidt, but I think I'm more in your camp. Look, I would say this
34:52to these Supreme Court justices. The American people elected President Trump to cut waste,
34:58fraud and abuse, to secure our border, to deport these illegal aliens, particularly
35:03Trent Eragwa. And if you're going to have these judges sabotage that,
35:06the court's going to lose its legitimacy. I'm telling you, one of the better lines
35:11was from Alito that these district court judges, some of them consider their courtrooms
35:16their kingdoms. Okay. And he said, but I'm not impugning anyone's integrity.
35:21There was some fun aside. Senator and Mike, thank you very much. All right. Coming up,
35:25what is a blue haired anti-Trump protester really like? Well, we're about to find out.
35:35If you've watched some of the liberal performance theater outside ICE facilities,
35:40you're probably wondering who the heck are these people who are so obsessed with keeping criminal
35:45aliens inside the U.S. Well, Savannah Hernandez went to a protest in Newark, New Jersey to find
35:52out. They'll take you too. They don't really care. Excuse me, why do you think they're going
35:57to take me too? Because you have brown skin. That's pretty racist. I'm an American citizen.
36:01Doesn't matter. So you think I'm going to get deported? You could. So this woman right here
36:05thinks I'm going to get deported because I'm a brown woman. That's an extremely racist thing
36:09to say, ma'am. No, the racist people are. No, you're the racist because you just came up to
36:13me and said, I'm going to get deported because I'm brown. How dare you? How dare you sit here
36:17and speak to me because of my skin tone? No, I don't need to be careful. You're telling me
36:21that I'm going to get deported because I'm brown mass deportation. You're supporting mass
36:25deportation. I'm an American citizen. So, yes, I am supporting mass deportation of people who are
36:30not American citizens. Catholic graduations. Are you an American citizen? None of your business.
36:35So you are an American citizen, clearly. So I'm not going to get deported. You're not going to
36:39get deported. How dare you stand here and tell me that I'm going to get deported? True. No,
36:44you're you're an American citizen. We're going to get deported potentially.
36:47Here with me is Savannah Hernandez, Frontline's Turning Point USA reporter.
36:54Savannah, none of these people make any sense. They all look like warmed over liberals from
37:02like the 60s, caught in a time warp. I don't know if they just need friends or this is their social
37:08life or they're being paid. I have no idea. But none of it is convincing anyone of anything.
37:14No, absolutely not, Laura, which is why they always go to telling brown Americans like myself
37:20that we're going to be deported. It's absolutely ridiculous. And I'd just love to remind every
37:25single American citizen why tens of millions of Americans like myself did vote for Donald
37:30Trump and mass deportation, because there was a period of time in this country in which you had
37:3510,000 illegal immigrants coming into our country in a single day. At the height of this crisis,
37:39you had a quarter of a million illegal immigrants coming in in a single month.
37:43This is why we want mass deportations. And it's just hilarious to me when white liberals come
37:47up to me and tell me that I should live in fear and I'm going to be deported.
37:50No, I voted for Donald Trump because he's a president of law and order. And it's so ridiculous
37:55to me every single time that they resort to these arguments because truly it's all they have.
38:00Well, first of all, what what they're saying is so patently absurd because they don't they
38:06don't really care about minorities. If they did, they wouldn't have let all their cities go to
38:12crap. They wouldn't be allowing MS-13 in the country to terrorize legal immigrant communities.
38:19And I know you you talk to another protester who had really strong feelings, Savannah,
38:25about the people held in that ICE facility. Let's watch.
38:29People are inside that facility. And there are MS-13 members,
38:32they're child traffickers and they're drug traffickers. They're bringing drugs into this
38:37country. Still human being. You don't care if they're the worst criminal in the world and they
38:40have raped and murdered children. They're OK and they're still human beings and they should be
38:44here. I believe that they are human beings and that they deserve dignity just as everybody else.
38:49I truly do, because you don't care for the dignity of every human being.
38:54Blue haired lady, they're human beings. Savannah, that's the argument.
38:59Yes. Yes, Laura. Exactly. It's it's a joke. And again, you know, further into that clip,
39:04I basically said, you're right, I don't care about the dignity of child rapists, MS-13 members,
39:09drug traffickers and all of the criminals that are currently being held in the Delaney Hall
39:14ICE Detention Center. It's absolutely ridiculous that you have the mayor of Newark that is standing
39:19up for these people. I was doing some research at Newark is one of the top five most dangerous
39:23cities in New Jersey. Maybe if their mayor, instead of advocating for releasing criminal
39:28illegal aliens back onto the street, instead advocating for lowering his crime rates,
39:32maybe the city would be a little bit safer. But for some reason, members of the Democratic Party
39:37time and time again want to cater to and advocate for the criminal illegal aliens in our country
39:42over American citizens. And I'm tired of it. I think it's deeper than that, Savannah. We're
39:48out of time. I think they they want unrest in America. They don't want Americans to be happy
39:53and safe. They like unrest. They want the chaos. Donald Trump's the opposite of a chaos agent. He
39:58wants calm and security and prosperity. They hate that. They despise that. Their life is protest.
40:05It's all they got. Savannah, thank you for doing what we didn't have to do. We really appreciate
40:09it. All right, that's it for us tonight. Follow me on social media, Instagram, as always,
40:14Jesse Watters. He takes it from here. We'll see you tomorrow night.
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