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00:00105.1 The Bounce, Detroit.
00:01Still back for Hip Hop and R&B.
00:03It's your boy, Showtime, the czar.
00:05In the studio with me right now,
00:07I have one of the top five hip-hop podcasts
00:11in the state of Michigan.
00:13And if you ain't been on his show yet,
00:15you probably ain't doing too much, man.
00:17I got Kid L. What up, though, man?
00:19What's happening? Thank you for the introduction.
00:21You like that?
00:22Yeah, I do dig it.
00:23Does it feel weird to be on this side of the mic?
00:26No, no, I get interviewed pretty often.
00:28Oh, you do?
00:29Okay, sweet.
00:30So you're not uncomfortable right now?
00:31No, no, heck no.
00:32Bet.
00:33I feel like we should start from the beginning, man,
00:35because I don't think people have heard
00:37the Kid L story for real, man.
00:39How did you...
00:40What were you doing before you got into the podcast game
00:42and just involved in hip-hop in general?
00:44For sure.
00:45So around 2010, I was doing music videos.
00:48I was primarily shooting for Nolan Presley,
00:50which is 2 Chainz, a sound engineer right now.
00:52We were working on this tape called Shed Life,
00:54and I was just shooting music videos constantly
00:56up until I think the point of relevancy would be 2017
00:59when I met Sada Baby,
01:01and I started shooting music videos for him.
01:03Our first music video that we shot
01:05got a million views together,
01:07and then we just continued to shoot music videos together.
01:09My name started building around the Detroit community,
01:12and people were just hitting me up
01:13to shoot music videos all the time,
01:14so I got circulated in the scene
01:17by shooting music videos, pretty much.
01:18I never knew you did videos,
01:19so that's interesting, man.
01:20Yeah, we have over 11 million views
01:22on music videos that we shot.
01:24What was the first song you did with Sada Baby?
01:25Can I cuss? I mean, it's a cuss word.
01:27It's Ape and then S-H-I-T.
01:29Oh, okay. All right.
01:30Yeah, I heard it. Okay, okay, okay, I'm hip.
01:31So describe your relationship with Sada Baby,
01:33because that was the first, I mean, he's always,
01:35I've seen him defend you against a lot of, you know.
01:38No, Sada Baby, we met just randomly at a video shoot.
01:42I had no clue who he was.
01:43We met, and then I think Jobina was there,
01:45rest in peace, JB, but she was like,
01:47yo, do you want to shoot more music videos for Sada Baby?
01:49And I was like, yeah.
01:50So we just kept shooting after that,
01:52and that's kind of how we met, just a random video shoot.
01:55We kept shooting together.
01:57He started basketball league,
01:58so we started shooting basketball games together.
02:00But just naturally, we both have like a quirky,
02:02funny side to us that gravitated towards each other,
02:05and then that's how kind of we built our relationship.
02:07So you shoot your own videos when you do the podcast?
02:10I have a person that runs a production.
02:12His name is Nick Hilo Visuals.
02:13He runs production for us.
02:14Nice.
02:15Yeah.
02:16You've been called a culture vulture a couple times in your career so far, man.
02:24Yes.
02:25How do you feel about that?
02:26I don't know.
02:27You know, to me, I see everybody's perspective in life,
02:29and I look at life like that with everything.
02:30I look at everybody's perspective, no matter what the situation is,
02:33because everybody sees something differently.
02:35And who am I to say you see something wrong and I see something right?
02:38You know what I mean?
02:39I can't look at somebody and try to change their mind about something.
02:42For me, what I do is just natural, organic.
02:44I love to be in entertainment.
02:45I'm in entertainment.
02:46I'm doing it at a high level.
02:48And, you know, that's all I can do, really.
02:50Do you think it's because you interview so many black entertainers?
02:55Or do you think it's because you're not black interviewing so many black entertainers?
03:00Because you see that with other people like the Blads and stuff like that.
03:04But I wouldn't say y'all are culture vultures,
03:06because it doesn't seem fraudulent, which y'all do.
03:09You seem part of it.
03:10You see what I'm saying?
03:11You know what I think it is?
03:12I think if you literally strategize like, oh, dang, the Detroit music scene is hot.
03:16Let me figure out how to get myself involved and pick and choose.
03:19I think that's what being a culture vulture is.
03:21I think when you strategize like how to take from it and not give anything back,
03:25that's what makes you a culture vulture.
03:27When I got in the music scene, I didn't even think about, I don't think about race.
03:30I don't think about any of that, but I understand why people do think of that.
03:33When I was working, I was just working.
03:34It was just it.
03:35It was just work.
03:36It wasn't like, yo, man, this dude's hot and this dude's hot.
03:39Like, let me work with this dude.
03:40It was literally like, yo, it was just work.
03:41Right.
03:42And that's always how it's been for me.
03:43Right.
03:44Okay.
03:45Where are you from?
03:46I was born in Warren, then I moved to Metro Detroit.
03:50Right now I'm debating between going to Atlanta or LA, so I'm kind of like in the mix of deciding
03:55my move.
03:56Up and leave on this man.
03:57What's going on?
03:58There's opportunities for people that want me to fly out, so I'm thinking about things
04:01right now.
04:02Oh, okay.
04:03Yeah.
04:04All right.
04:05Have you thought about getting into the streaming game, man?
04:06Because your podcast is so big and I think the streaming thing is exploding.
04:09Like...
04:10Yeah, streaming is doing very well right now.
04:11I'm seeing a lot of people burst off of that.
04:13I just...
04:14You know how it gets when you do this, right?
04:15So you know how it gets when you do stuff on live and it's like somebody could say the
04:18wrong thing and then you got to clip it out.
04:19It's like it's the whole world already seen it.
04:21We've had plenty of interviews with rappers where they like basically indict themselves
04:25and then they're like, yo, can you take that out?
04:27I'm like, I got you.
04:28Don't worry about it.
04:29Now imagine if that was live stream.
04:30You can't take that back.
04:31So it's over with at that point.
04:33Also on top of that, I admire the Twitch streaming angle, but I also think that it's
04:38too much overexposure and you're kind of blowing the mystique of a production at that
04:41point.
04:42I think streamers should be streamers and I think people that are not streamers should just
04:46focus on their own lane.
04:47Like you're noticing a lot of rappers are getting into the Twitch game.
04:49Yes.
04:50I feel, man.
04:51Now I'm knowing the entire thing about you.
04:52I'm knowing everything.
04:53There's no walls.
04:54I don't know any mystery about you.
04:55I get to see you 24 hours a day eating Doritos and just chilling.
04:59Like that's not what I grew up listening to an artist for.
05:01I like that.
05:02I didn't know everything about them or get to see them all the time.
05:05So I think everybody needs to stick to their own lane and Twitch is its own lane.
05:08So if you're a Twitch streamer, go be a Twitch streamer.
05:10If you're a rapper, go be a rapper.
05:11If you're a producer, go be a producer.
05:13Hmm.
05:14I feel that.
05:15You've had your hand in the Detroit music scene for quite a long time, man.
05:19A lot of people come to your podcast, um, before they blow up or water blowing up, man.
05:24How do you, uh, does that pressure ever get you, uh, having so many people come to your
05:29podcast and then, you know what I'm saying?
05:31Being so instrumental in the game.
05:33You know, the only pressure there is, is that you have to know the history a lot.
05:36And sometimes the history is divided because some people will say that these things happen.
05:40And some people seem to know this is what happened.
05:42And then I'm caught in the middle of like, I'm interviewing somebody that's giving their story of what happened.
05:46And then there's a thousand other people like, that's not what happened.
05:49So that's the only pressure is being accurate.
05:51Like when we did the baby face Ray interview, I was like, I wanted to have a good time with them and just like chop it up.
05:56And I was like, the audience is going to want the story and that information.
06:00And then, but the funniest parts and the best parts are when we were just kicking it and chopping it up.
06:04But I knew deep down, I was like, mom, the audience is going to want to know some history.
06:07So let's be accurate.
06:08Let's figure out this information.
06:09And even him at, sometimes he was like, man, I don't know if some of the stuff I'm going to say is accurate, but here's what it is.
06:14And so you kind of get caught up in like being super accurate all the time.
06:17And that's the only thing that's you, I have pressure with just making sure the details and facts are there.
06:22Yeah, I can see that.
06:23Yeah.
06:24Yeah.
06:25And that do get difficult sometimes too.
06:26Cause it's like, who do you, how do you fact check it?
06:27You know what I mean?
06:28Right. Exactly.
06:29Like where's the history book on Detroit music?
06:30Yeah, yeah, yeah.
06:31Pull it up real quick.
06:32Oh yeah.
06:33That's what happened.
06:34Who'd you grow up listening to bro?
06:35I grew up on, I think the first artist that I got hip to was Eminem, Tupac, Biggie, Big L, Wycliffe, Akon.
06:43Those are like kind of like all mainstream.
06:45I wasn't really too super hip to the underground when I was growing up.
06:48Who was the first, like, was the Sider Baby the first underground artist you got?
06:51No, no.
06:52I was hearing Doughboyz Cash Out.
06:53Oh, okay.
06:54Got you, got you, got you, got you.
06:55And HBK, you know what I'm saying?
06:57And so it was, I heard Doughboyz more than anything else from the underground scene growing up.
07:02Nice.
07:03Um, you, uh, you had an incident with a comedian, um, Get Money Mark.
07:09That lasted for about two years.
07:10Yeah.
07:11Yeah.
07:12Uh, the, the rumor is that it got squashed during Snapdog's boxing match.
07:19Yeah, pretty much.
07:20I don't understand what happened exactly, but yeah, he, he pretty much flamed it up.
07:24Did you approach him?
07:25Did he approach you?
07:26Y'all obviously settled it like me and it didn't happen.
07:28We, we ran into each other and it was pretty awkward cause we were both kind of like,
07:31all right, we gotta be cool right now.
07:32And then we were like, you know what, man?
07:33Like, as we started talking like, yo Mike, what are we doing?
07:35You know, like we kind of both kind of like, let's simmer down, like let's relax and just get back on the horse and make things happen.
07:40You know what I mean?
07:41Yeah.
07:42And I think that was around the time where a lot of people just wanted to take shots at me.
07:45Cause that's like a constant thing.
07:46Like always people want to take shots.
07:47One of my friends just took a shot at me, which was crazy.
07:49My friend Chopper Lee from big squad was just blew my mind.
07:52Cause it's like, I've known him for like six years now, always supported him.
07:56And then out of nowhere the other day, he made a story post like screw kid L, kid L's this, kid L's that.
08:01He's this and that.
08:02He's, he's, and I'm just sitting there.
08:03I'm like, yo, you're my boy.
08:04I messaged him.
08:05Like, aren't you big squad?
08:06Like, what are you, like, what are you doing right now?
08:07And he just went off and I'm just sitting there going like, it's crazy how your friends turn on you.
08:11He kept saying like, Oh, you're too big time.
08:13Now you're too famous.
08:14Now you're too this, you're too that.
08:15And I'm sitting there going like, yo, this is really, this really happens.
08:18All this stuff rappers talk about.
08:19Like when you start getting a little bit of momentum, your friends start turning on you as a real thing.
08:23It really blows your mind that it's a real thing.
08:25But I noticed that the bigger I get, the more people wanted to take shots at me, like Randy Rosario or whatever you call it, whatever her name is.
08:31Her taking shots at me was crazy.
08:32Cause I don't know this woman.
08:34And I seen her at an event and she was staring me down at the event.
08:37Next thing I know, she posts on Facebook, kid L's a culture vulture.
08:41Get him out of the culture.
08:42Get him out of here.
08:43I feel like, bro, the culture vulture thing is so easy.
08:46I ain't mean to cut you off.
08:47But the thing is, it's so easy for you because again, you not being black and I don't want to keep making it a race thing, but it's like people can use that as well.
08:57He's profiting off of our culture.
08:59Right.
09:00Does that ever get to you, man?
09:01Like, yo, I'm not doing what y'all think I'm doing, man.
09:04Well, like I said, man, you know, everybody has the perspective.
09:07So I, it took me a while to get, to get it, but I get it now and I see what people are talking about.
09:12But you know what, man?
09:13I look at entertainment, like entertainment, you know, you can't subjugate entertainment.
09:17You can't do that.
09:18It's just, it's the, it's the most radical thing you can do.
09:21If you go to LA right now, if I, if I tell you, let's go to California, where are you going to take me for the music scene?
09:27Where are you going to take me when I go and get there?
09:29You're going to take me to Hollywood.
09:30You're going to take me to Burbank.
09:31You're going to take me to LA.
09:32If I come to Michigan, where are you going to take me when it comes to the music scene?
09:35You're going to take me to Detroit or the entertainment scene.
09:37You're going to take me to Detroit.
09:38You work around the entertainment scene and it naturally, naturally gravitated to me.
09:42And I naturally gravitated toward it.
09:44You got to look at this, man.
09:46All the rappers that surround me and back me are like from Detroit.
09:50Right.
09:51And they're super stamped in the game.
09:52You think they'd be standing around me if they thought that I was a funky dude.
09:56That was just trying to profit off everybody.
09:57No.
09:58So you're discrediting every single person that represents me or every single person that backs
10:02me when you do that.
10:03So you better stop listening to their music or you better stop watching the music videos
10:06or pulling up to their shows.
10:07If you're so against me, then you should be against all the rappers that support me too.
10:11You know what I'm saying?
10:12Like, how does that make any sense?
10:14Right.
10:15Right.
10:16So you never.
10:17Okay.
10:18I like that, man.
10:19Cause it's right.
10:20If the people are supporting you, the same rappers, you shouldn't not like them.
10:23You know what I mean?
10:24I mean, it doesn't make sense.
10:25Like you think these people are valid, right?
10:27Right, right.
10:28But they're doing something that's so against you, so invalid to you.
10:30Like, wouldn't you just be like, yo, I'm not listening to that dude anymore.
10:33Like that dude sounds crazy for supporting that dude.
10:35That's what I do.
10:36Sometimes if somebody supports somebody that's so left out of field, it's like, yo, you really
10:40support, like if you're, if you're supporting some things that Kanye does, I start looking
10:43at you like, yo, you're really supporting Kanye for him saying that, doing that.
10:46Right, right.
10:47I can't even think about you right now, man.
10:48You're talking too crazy for me.
10:50You ever thought about producing music, bro?
10:52No, no, man.
10:53Like I said, everybody needs to stick to their own lane.
10:55Everybody's got a lane.
10:56Stick to it, man.
10:57Don't, don't crowd your mind with all these different ideas, trying to monetize off of
11:00everything you can.
11:01You know what I mean?
11:02Okay.
11:03So no, um, outside, I guess, podcasting is, like, since that's your lane, you don't
11:10want to go outside of that?
11:11Go outside of that?
11:12Anything I've already done, I'll continue to do.
11:14Okay.
11:15So if I'm working on movies, I worked on movies.
11:16That was my next question.
11:17Yeah.
11:18I work on documentaries.
11:19I work on movies.
11:20I work on short films.
11:21I've always done skits.
11:22Um, podcasting is just the thing that you see fill up the timeline the most, because
11:24it's the, it's the best thing to propagate because you're helping artists get exposure
11:29and it's helping our platform get exposure at the same time.
11:31What got you into doing the movies?
11:33I just been doing it forever.
11:34I just been working on films forever.
11:36There's always behind the scenes, just always dabbling in somebody's set, acting a little bit, me
11:40tattoo man, Paige, Crystal the doll, and Jackpot the juice did a movie called, uh, Strange
11:45Fruit a few, a few years ago.
11:47It was on Tubi, right?
11:48Yeah.
11:49I remember seeing that.
11:50Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
11:51Yeah.
11:52And then, uh, I worked on The Great American Family, which is a documentary about Dan Casbar
11:55who, uh, Dana, sorry, Dan Casbar, who, uh, was, uh, arrested during the embargo in Iraq.
12:01Um, so, like, I just work on stuff, like, wherever.
12:04Whatever I see, like, that I like, I work on it.
12:06Alright, two more things, I'm gonna let you get up out of here, man.
12:08For sure.
12:09Um, what is the process for somebody who, well, how do you go about doing your interviews,
12:14man?
12:15Because you interview some of the biggest names and, like, I don't even want to just say,
12:20just music, because I've seen you do, uh, counselors and you just interviewed, uh, someone
12:25wanted for him running for mayor and stuff like that.
12:27Yeah.
12:28Yeah.
12:29So, um, how do you go about selecting who you want to have on your show?
12:33Is there any, any time someone is like, just, you like, nah, I don't want to do that interview.
12:37Yeah.
12:38There's plenty.
12:39I mean, 99.9% of the time we're rejecting people who try to come on because there's nothing
12:42going on really.
12:43But it's just about, you know, if I like it, if I see somebody, if I look at their eyes
12:47and I go like, this person would make sense to be on the couch.
12:49That's how it works normally.
12:50It's just like, I see that person and it makes sense.
12:52Got you.
12:53All right, man, what is up next for Kid L?
12:56Like, what can people be on the lookout for?
12:58Right now, we're continuing to expand the podcast.
13:01We're starting a multimedia structure where we're going to have other talent come aboard
13:06and work with us and, you know, place them in situations where they can run a gaming department
13:11or relationships department, financial department.
13:13Um, also Artist X, man.
13:15Artist X is a consultation we do for artists that are upcoming that, um, are trying to figure
13:19out the game and how to structure themselves and strategize themselves.
13:22Um, because I think it is a very, very, uh, tornado-y world in the rap scene right now.
13:27So you need a little bit of guidance while you're in it.
13:29What do you mean by a tornado-y scene?
13:31Like...
13:32People are getting scammed.
13:33Who?
13:34All these upcoming artists are getting scammed consistently, sometimes by bigger artists,
13:37sometimes by people who claim to have names.
13:39And I think that's wrong.
13:40And I think that you just need a little bit of clarity to know how to not get scammed
13:43to figure out how to place yourself in the music scene without getting so many hits.
13:48Because you see people getting ripped off just nonstop.
13:50What's your advice for someone trying to get into the music scene?
13:52Because like you said, you're getting scammed.
13:53So how do you navigate that?
13:55So you got your platform right.
13:57You record the music.
13:58You shoot the music videos.
13:59And you market the music videos.
14:01And you just keep repeating that over and over again.
14:03Eventually you will get ignited.
14:04Something will happen for you eventually if you've got the talent and you're hardworking.
14:07It will happen.
14:08All right, man.
14:09Top five podcasts in the game.
14:11He's not number five, bae.
14:12K.L.
14:13Appreciate you for stopping through, man.
14:14K.L.
14:15Appreciate you.
14:16One on five, one to bounce.
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