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00:00105.1 The Bounce, Detroit. Still back to Hip Hop and RB. It's your boy Showtime, The Czar.
00:05In studio with me, I have a special guest, man. Talent is not the word when it comes to this guy,
00:09man. Singing, rapping. He even used to do a little dancing. I'm talking about it ain't nothing I
00:15haven't seen him do. My guy, Sock of the Renegade. What up, though? What up, though, man? How you
00:19feeling? Welcome to the show, man. Appreciate you. Thank you for having me, bro. First of all,
00:22how are you, bro? I ain't seen you in a long time. I know, bro. It's been a minute. A minute, bro.
00:26I've been good. I've been blessed. I've been highly favored. I've been out the way. I've been
00:29working. You know what I'm saying? Just grinding. That's it. That's what's up, man. You always
00:32got your hand in something. And just recently, you did a, well, a couple months ago, you did
00:38something called March Music Madness. March Music Madness. Yes, sir. Yeah, yeah. And you won,
00:43actually. Yeah, I did. So first off, congratulations. Appreciate it. Appreciate it.
00:46How was that experience, bro? Truth be told, as an artist, that was like the best experience
00:51I've had. Shout out to Payne and his team. They took care of everything. They made sure
00:58everything was set. And you know, you would think with T-Payne being like the stature of
01:02artist he is, that he wouldn't really have time to make sure. But he did. He made time
01:06to make sure everybody, not just me, everybody was good. So best time I've had as an artist.
01:12Like, I can't wait to see what's next. But that was an amazing experience for sure.
01:15How was it like Big Sean introduced you as the winner? What was that like?
01:19That's real. Because I met Sean probably like eight to 10 years ago at Lids. And I told
01:29him like, you know what I'm saying? Hey, bro, I'm going to see him like 10 years, bro.
01:32I'm going to see you at the top. And he was just like, all right, but so. And then like,
01:35you know what I'm saying? Almost a decade later, if not a decade later, he announces me
01:38the winner for a show. That's hard. It was just, it was a full circle moment for me.
01:42That meant a lot. So, okay. What exactly was March Music Madness? Like, it was just
01:46you performing or like what? So talk to us about the show.
01:49It was, it was, it was a lot. It was more of a marathon, you know, than a sprint, if
01:54anything. So the whole premise behind it was to challenge, you know, us as artists.
02:00So it was like, a lot of it was on the fly type of stuff. Like a lot of people think a
02:05lot of those streams was like, which is crazy. A lot of people think the streams were pre-recorded
02:09and all that. No, we was live. Like, and he'll tell us a challenge and then like, they'll
02:14get increasingly more difficult. So the first challenge would be something. And then he'd
02:18be like, all right, cool. You got three days to do the next challenge. And then we do the
02:21next challenge. Then on stream, he'd be like, all right, y'all got to do this the next
02:24day. And then he'd be like, all right, well, y'all got to do this the same day.
02:27Like, oh my God. Like, you know what I'm saying?
02:29Wow. He's putting you out through. He's putting you out of work.
02:30Yeah. But it was, it was a test to show who ready right now. You know what I'm saying?
02:34So I'm always one of those, you know, you stay ready. You ain't got to get ready type
02:38of people. So I had my own recording equipment in the crib. So any challenge they was throwing
02:43at me, I was already prepared. You know what I'm saying? So it was more so like an on the
02:48spot type of like, can you do this right now? If we put the pressure on you, can you, can
02:52you deliver? You know what I'm saying? And I did by the grace of God.
02:55Yeah. Uh, you've always, from when I've known you, bro, you have no fear of doing these
03:01competitions, bro. You did the, so you think you can dance. I think it was,
03:04bro, you don't care. You go out there and do it. Where does that courage come
03:08from? A lot of people ain't doing none of this stuff. Yeah. Where does that come
03:11from? Was that like a mom, grandma, just growing up, you know, where you from and
03:15all that? Um, my family do got a lot to do with it. Um, honestly, most of it just
03:22comes from my hindsight that I've always had. Like, even as like a child, like I've
03:28always seen how much of the stuff that we do really actually matters and how much
03:32of it don't. And I never saw opinions as something that mattered for real. Cause
03:37it's like, I've seen from a kid, like everybody got something to say until
03:41something happens. You know what I'm saying? So I just never really had that fear of
03:46like performer and of being in front of people. I've always, um, been well with
03:50speaking in public and all that type of stuff. So I just, I don't know. I just kind of
03:54developed it, I guess, since I was a youth, but I never really had fear of like, oh, let me get on
04:01stage and be getting in front of these people. And I think it was more so like
04:04confidence too. Like I've always been, even if I wasn't confident, confident in
04:08certain things, like my looks or whatever, when I was younger, I was always confident
04:12in my ability. You know what I mean? So I think that's where it came from.
04:15And the show's on stage, man. Cause like when you get up there, it doesn't look, you
04:18don't look rattled. You don't look nervous. I seen you do some stuff. I'm like, yeah,
04:21I'm not doing that. You get up there, you'll do it. You got a record out right now
04:27titled you. Yes, sir. Talk about it for me. So you was like, uh, you was actually
04:32one of the challenges in, um, the March of Music Madness. Um, we had to do, um, a
04:37genre bending challenge. So we had to do a completely different genre from what we
04:40submitted with. So, you know me, I'm a rapper first and foremost. So I submitted
04:43with hip hop. So I barely won the first round, you know what I mean? With the guy
04:49I went against, he was sweet. I forget his name though, but he was dope. So because I had
04:52the lowest score out of, you know, everybody else that had won their rounds,
04:56I got to pick the genre. So I said, you know what, let's go for R&B. Cause I never
04:59went full fledged R&B. And I'm glad I did. Cause that was one of the best songs
05:04I ever made, but that was one of the challenges we had three days to come up with
05:07that. Like we had, uh, honestly, I want to say less than that. I think it was like two
05:11days. Now that I think about it, but had to be completely original. Couldn't really,
05:16you know what I'm saying? Lean on nothing else. Couldn't be a song I already had
05:19recorded. It had to be something fresh. So it was pressure. Cause the craziest part
05:24is I was sitting on that beat for like two years, bro. Like I couldn't think of
05:27nothing. You know, I couldn't think of nothing. Every time I try to sit down and
05:32write to it, it just wouldn't come to me. But for some reason during that
05:34competition with the pressure on, I came up with that song and it was more so
05:38like a love letter to the people that's been supporting me. You know what I'm
05:40saying? Mainly the women, of course, but it was, it's mainly like one of those
05:44love letter type of songs, you know what I'm saying? And showing the fact that I've
05:47been, um, working on my vocal ability, you know, up to the point.
05:51I've been watching you progress.
05:53Appreciate that.
05:53Yeah. Uh, what made you decide to step into the R&B lane? Cause as you said,
05:57you are a hip hop artist first and foremost, but now you're like, I'm going to be a
06:02complete artist. I'm going to sing. I'm going to rap. I'm going to do it all, man.
06:05Why, why did you decide to do that?
06:06Um, because I don't like, I don't like being boxed and I know my personality
06:15cause for different, um, energies naturally. Like I'm naturally like, I'm funny one day.
06:24I'm serious one day. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm naturally like kind of all over the
06:28place just because of my artistic ability. Like I'm always thinking in an artsy mindset.
06:33So when it came to music, I wanted to make sure I emulated me to the fullest. And I've always
06:39had a knack for R&B. Like I play keys, like I play, I used to play keys in church.
06:43So like I always had a, yeah. I used to have a knack for it.
06:45I was saying, dog, when I say talk, it's not nothing I've not seen this guy do, bro.
06:50Yes, sir. So it was like, I've always had a knack for melody anyway. So it just came to the point
06:55where it was like, all right, I want to develop my voice to the point where I want to, um, you know,
07:00step into that realm. And I feel like as a writer, cause you know, I write all my own stuff.
07:05I feel like, I don't know if I, if I had a voice for it, I could, you know, so I always wanted to try it.
07:09So once I started working on it constantly and stuff like that, shout out to Sam Watson,
07:13he definitely helped me, uh, get my voice together. I figured, you know, why not just,
07:18you know, try it, you know what I mean? Like we in a day and age where it's like, why not,
07:22you know, like I done did it all from pop to reggae to why not R&B, you know what I'm saying?
07:27So that's kind of what made me. And then with the women, the women support me more than anything.
07:31So it was like, they really love when I step into that bag. So it was like, why not get them that,
07:35you know what I mean? That feel. Yeah. Yeah. Were you nervous to do that?
07:39Yes. That was the only time I've ever gotten nervous. I ain't gonna lie. I don't never get
07:43nervous. No shows. Like it's only been two times in my life, three that I've ever been nervous.
07:48And that was So You Think You Can Dance. Um, the first time I did the Pistons game and then
07:53dropping that song. Cause I'm like, and I hang around with a bunch of like real, real singers.
07:58Yeah. So it really was like, I don't want to, you know what I'm saying? Like, so I was very,
08:03very, very nervous, even recording that song. Like it took everything in me not to keep adding
08:07auto tune. Like, all right, let me, let me dial it up. Let me dial it up. And Sam was like, man,
08:12no, like you need to drop it like this. Yeah. I was like, all right, cool.
08:15So when he gave you, when he said that shout out to Sam Watson, when he said that, how did that make
08:19you feel as an artist? As an artist, um, it felt good because I know where my voice came from.
08:25You know what I'm saying? I ain't saying I sounded terrible, but I would never have dropped no army
08:29song. Like, you know what I'm saying? Back in the day. But, um, him, um, my boy jazz, my boy McHale,
08:36um, shout out to Janice. Like all these people are like singers, Jody, excuse me. All these people
08:41are like super dope singers. So they all kind of gave me that praise. But when Sam did it with him
08:46being around me, as long as he had, it really felt like, okay, I'm stamped. Like I can actually
08:51put this out and, you know, feel good about it. And it showed. So I definitely appreciate them
08:55for that. Nice. Um, not to bring up no trauma, but you lost a friend a few years ago, Zulu.
09:00Yes, sir. How did losing him affect you, um, both as an artist and you're just a person?
09:06Um, rest in peace, Zulu. Yeah, rest in peace, Zulu, man. It stung. Um, it was one of the worst
09:13losses I've taken. Um, recently my brother Specs passed too, and it kind of felt the same. You know,
09:19as a person, it, it was deep because these two men saved my life, literally, you know, up at,
09:25you know, back in the EMU days, you know, I was, I was homeless up there. So a lot of people may know
09:29that, but Specs was one of the first people to open his door to me. And then Zulu was one of the
09:34people that was like, man, I'm outside with you, you know? So when he passed, it affected me
09:40pretty bad as a person. Um, but I started utilizing that emotion and that energy and started channeling
09:47like my more aggressive side with rap. And it really shook off whatever stage rust or not rust,
09:55but you know what I mean? Like whatever issue I was having on stage, I just stopped caring after that
09:59in a good way. Like, cause I knew that's how my brother was, you know what I mean? So it really
10:04molded me into the man and the artist that I am today.
10:10When it comes to rapping, man, you're not the typical, I guess, quote unquote Detroit rapper.
10:15You look for that lyricism, man. I love that about you. Why did you decide to be a lyricist,
10:21man? And not just take the easy, not saying all Detroit rappers are singing songs, but there's,
10:26there's a difference when you want to be a lyricist and then just, you know, making the hot song.
10:32Why did you decide that lyricism was what I wanted to do or...
10:34Um, it kind of goes back to what I was saying about just being well rounded.
10:39I like, if I, if I brag about something or if I, you know, poke my chest out about something that
10:45I have the ability to do, I want to be able to say that I worked at it and that I studied every
10:50form of it. And lyricism is the base form of everything that any rapper does. You know what I
10:56mean? Like bars, delivery, you know, schemes, metaphors, assembly, all that, like all that
11:01is the stem of whatever we do, even with R and B, well, at least with me. So the lyricism, I know
11:08that I get, I get braggadoces when I get on the track. So I can't say I'm the best at this and best
11:13at that. And I don't even have something down as basic as lyricism. You know what I mean? So
11:17lyricism is very important. And then I grew up just listening to like Wu-Tang Busta, you know what
11:22I mean? Uh, Em, Royce. Like I grew up listening to super, super duper lyricists. So I wanted to
11:30emulate that with my music too. And I wanted to make sure like, no matter how melodic I get,
11:33no matter what genre I do, it always going to come back to this. Like, this is where I'm in my best,
11:38you know? So I wanted to make sure I had that down pat. I'm still working on it to this day,
11:42you know, to be better. Have you ever tried to veer off from being a lyricist and be like,
11:46maybe this is not, let me try this, you know, a quick thing or be like, nah, I'm gonna stick to
11:51what I know. Cause she is coming back, like with the new Clips album, people enjoying that in hip
11:56hop. And I feel like it's the time is now for this type of artist. I'm not going to say I tried
12:02like a quick route. I tried like the, excuse me, the simple route, I guess that's the way to put it,
12:09because I want to be able to go everywhere. My whole goal of being a music artist is to be
12:14undeniable. Whatever room I'm in, there's something from me that you can play in this room. So
12:18if I'm in a room full of rappers, there's some lyricism, there's some songs with some raps on
12:22there that you can listen to. This room full of women, some R&B or some melodic songs you can listen
12:26to. If we in the club, you know what I'm saying, if you in the gym, if you, I want to have every
12:30sound that feels natural to me. So I've tried it all. I'm still trying. I experiment every day, like,
12:36whether it be writing the most lyrical thing I could think of,
12:40or keeping it simple, because sometimes keeping it simple is best, you know. So
12:43I try everything. I try everything all the time, even to this day. So I'm not going to try it at all.
12:48All right, man. Two more things I want to ask you. First, is there a project we can be looking out
12:53for from Osaka the Renegade? Yes. I'm not going to say the name of it yet, but there is a project
13:01on the way. A couple of other special things on the way with Mr. T-Pain himself.
13:09Oh, so y'all got a relationship now. Yeah, no, that's my dog. And I'd have met a lot of famous
13:15people, but it's not too many that's as real as him and really is about what he says he's about.
13:22And just a genuine person. Even when I did his show, he watched me perform. Who does that? I never
13:29opened up for nobody. So it's just like, I have a genuine relationship with him. I definitely
13:33respect him a lot. And him and his family treat me like family. So it's definitely real love there,
13:39for sure. So you've met him and had an actual sit-down that y'all talked about?
13:42Oh, yeah. Oh, that's hard, bro. Even before I just did the show with him, when I won,
13:47even before that, and when I did the competition the first time, I met him. He came here a couple years
13:52ago. And shout out to Nando. That's his artist. He's dope, too. They had me backstage with them.
13:59Like, I chopped it up. Like, he real, bro. He's super real. So from the first moment I met him,
14:05I was like, all right, cool. Like, if I get that relationship, I'm gonna make sure, like,
14:09I do my part because he does his for sure. Shout out to T-Pain, man.
14:12Oh, you do have a show coming up in August.
14:14Mm-hmm.
14:14All right. Do people get tickets for it and all that stuff?
14:18Like, how can they... To my knowledge, you just pull up.
14:20Oh, just pull up?
14:21At Heart Plaza, excuse me. To my knowledge, it's completely free.
14:25My set is like an hour. So I'm on stage for a good minute.
14:29Nice.
14:29Y'all make sure y'all pull up. We're gonna have a good time for sure.
14:31And it's August, what? 1st?
14:33I believe it's August 1st, yeah.
14:34Okay. All right. Last thing, man. I'm gonna let you get up out of here.
14:37Got to talk about something serious. Uno.
14:43So listen, I saw he make a couple videos.
14:46Very serious. Man.
14:48About Uno.
14:49Yes, sir.
14:50Did you see that they are putting it in Vegas Casino, I think?
14:54Oh, yeah. I just made a video about it. Yep.
14:56Security that they gonna have to have.
14:58Listen, Avengers. You hear me?
15:01Avengers. You need them.
15:03But I just saw something they said it's not real, though.
15:05I did too. I'm like, okay, first of all, let me ask you this.
15:08Would you play Uno at the casino?
15:10Yes.
15:11Yeah, me too.
15:11Quick come up.
15:12Got to do that.
15:14I made a little video and I said I was looking up flights.
15:16I was not playing.
15:17I was, what?
15:18I'm finna take a whole team up.
15:19Quick little undone.
15:21What you mean?
15:21Off of draw four?
15:22Yeah, let's do it.
15:23Please.
15:24I see you made a video one time, bro.
15:26And it had me rolling when you was talking about like the,
15:28what's it called? Uno No Mercy.
15:30Oh my God.
15:30That's the wildest thing I've seen in my life, man.
15:32Oh my God.
15:33And it's real.
15:34It's real.
15:35Like it's, it's, and I played it with my family too.
15:37And it's, it's, it's.
15:38Oh, you got it.
15:39It's, yeah.
15:39It's more.
15:40Don't get it too easy.
15:41Like these Uno games that we talking about, I got them.
15:43Like, I'm about to make another video.
15:45It's a new one called Uno Flip or something like that.
15:47I got that one.
15:48See, I ain't even played that one yet.
15:50But Uno and Mercy is real, bro.
15:52But it, it go by quicker than you think.
15:54Cause you can hit somebody with a draw six, draw 10.
15:57Next thing you know, they got 25 cars at the game.
15:59That's crazy.
16:00Like it's, it's, it's intense.
16:02It's like, it's no friends in that.
16:03Like, you know how Uno, like you try to help the next one.
16:05Yeah, yeah, yeah.
16:06Ain't none of that.
16:06It's over it.
16:07Everybody opts on Uno with no Mercy, I swear.
16:09It's no helping nobody.
16:11It's hilarious though.
16:12All right, man.
16:13Sock of the Renegade, man.
16:15Appreciate you for stopping by, man.
16:16Of course.
16:16You always welcome back to the studio anytime you want to, man.
16:19I appreciate you.
16:19I appreciate that, man.
16:20One on five.
16:20One on the bounce of Sock of the Renegade.
16:22Peace.
16:22Yes, sir.
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