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00:00If your happiness depends on the actions of others,
00:05you know, you're at mercy of things that you can't control.
00:08The best-selling author and host.
00:10The number one health and wellness podcast.
00:12On Purpose with Jay Shetty.
00:15Yeah, I'm not even just saying this.
00:16I literally think I manifested this.
00:20Like, it's the...
00:20After I saw you at Simi and Hayes' house,
00:24so that was a couple months ago, and then a few weeks ago,
00:26my... I was talking to my social media girl randomly.
00:29We were just talking about a bunch of stuff
00:30and just kind of what I would love to represent
00:34and just talking about a new chapter for me and whatever.
00:37And I was... She was like,
00:38who would you really want to, like, talk to or whatever?
00:40And I was like, it'd be so cool to talk to Jay.
00:42And she was like, that would be really cool.
00:45And then we kind of just...
00:45That was kind of the thought and whatever.
00:47And then you hit me and I was like,
00:49no freaking way he's hitting me right now.
00:51So I was like, absolutely.
00:52This is, like, perfect.
00:54It's the universe just putting it in perfect timing because...
00:56That makes me so happy because it was exactly
00:58the opposite way.
01:00So I've for a long time had people
01:03that I'd love to sit down with.
01:04And every time I saw you do something
01:05with mental health and Vogue
01:06or any of the segments that you ever did,
01:09I was just like, she's amazing.
01:10Like, you know, it's incredible to...
01:12The way you were talking about it,
01:13when you'd post about it,
01:14I'd be like, oh, this is incredible.
01:15Like, to see you speaking so openly about it,
01:18invulnerably about it.
01:19And so I've always wanted to do this.
01:21Yeah.
01:21And then...
01:22But we've never really crossed paths.
01:24Right.
01:24And so I'm always just a bit like...
01:26And I don't like asking friends of friends
01:27when I haven't met someone.
01:28Right.
01:29So I was like, that day I had to, like,
01:31pluck up the courage.
01:32I'm just going to ask of myself.
01:33No, it's perfect.
01:34Because it's easier when I ask direct.
01:35And I know Christy, so...
01:36Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:37But I was like, it's nicer when there's...
01:39I told my team too.
01:40I was like, it's so much nicer
01:41when there's, like, a personal connection.
01:42For sure.
01:42And someone really feels comfortable
01:44rather than it's, like, a PR thing.
01:46No, it was so perfect.
01:48Like, when I think back to it,
01:49I'm like, that was me just trusting the universe
01:51and not pushing for anything.
01:53And I knew it was going to kind of happen
01:55when it was supposed to.
01:56And it literally did.
01:56And it did, yeah.
01:57So you felt it too.
01:58Yeah, I did.
01:59That means the world to me.
02:00Yeah.
02:00And I hope that this is the start
02:01of spending more time together.
02:03Me too.
02:03Me too.
02:03Yeah, off camera too.
02:05I would love that.
02:06Because, like, I think also...
02:08I don't know.
02:08Like, I admire people like you.
02:10I admire, like, you know,
02:12the Michael Pollan's
02:14and Michael Singer's
02:15and Wim Hof's of the world.
02:17And I feel like you fit in that category for me
02:19of just people that are...
02:20Because, you know,
02:20I know a little bit about your story.
02:22I'd like to actually know more,
02:23which would be really cool to actually...
02:24I know we're obviously not here
02:26for that, exactly.
02:28But for me, just personally,
02:29like, I'd love to know more of your story.
02:31I know that you've had quite the experiences.
02:34And I think that's so cool.
02:36I'm, like, so intrigued by people
02:37with just that amount of curiosity
02:39and, like, determination and patience.
02:42Like, that takes so much patience
02:44to be, like, you
02:46or, like, any of those people
02:47that I just listed.
02:48It's so cool to me.
02:49And I just...
02:50I wish.
02:50I wish for myself.
02:51But I'm working on it.
02:52No, you're that curious too.
02:54You're that curious in your own way.
02:55I am.
02:55It's just, you know,
02:56that level of, like I said,
02:58patience and determination
02:59is, like, it's a gift.
03:02Like, that is, like,
03:03a really, really amazing gift.
03:05And, like I said,
03:06like, I'm just working on it all the time.
03:08And that's my goal in life, I guess.
03:10Well, I think I feel the same way
03:12about you again that...
03:14And by the way,
03:14I love all those people
03:15you just mentioned too.
03:16So I feel very honored
03:17to be put into that group of people.
03:19And we've had Wim on the podcast before too.
03:20So he's been a guest.
03:21But with you,
03:23I feel the same way back
03:24when it's, like,
03:25when you see someone
03:25who is so curious,
03:27who could get away
03:28with not worrying about these things
03:30if you don't want to,
03:30but then still being courageous enough
03:32to talk about these things
03:33and then using your platform
03:34as a space
03:35to open up these dialogues.
03:36Like, that is, as if not
03:39more important as well
03:40as doing the work
03:41and doing the path.
03:42Yeah.
03:43I mean, I can see you doing the work.
03:44It's fun watching you do the work
03:46and figuring it out.
03:46I love working on myself.
03:48Like, it is actually,
03:49like, a passion of mine.
03:51And, like, I just...
03:52I find so much comfort and joy
03:55in, like, actually finding
03:57where I think I could better myself
03:59and being, like...
04:00Even if it's physical,
04:01like, physical as in, like,
04:02my physical health
04:03or working out
04:04or I just started doing...
04:05Speaking of Wim Hof,
04:06I just started doing, like,
04:07cold plunges and ice baths
04:08and, like, even if I don't have
04:10the time to go outside,
04:10I just got a cold plunge.
04:11I did it right before I got here.
04:13It's the best thing ever.
04:14I did it this weekend.
04:15Again, it takes so much mental...
04:18The whole thing of it
04:18is all mental.
04:19So, I don't know.
04:20Just stuff like that
04:21I really love.
04:22So, I'm always...
04:23I'm always trying to just
04:25be the best version of me.
04:27And so, I just love that.
04:28It, like, actually makes me
04:30feel really good.
04:30I love self-care
04:31and I just love stuff like that.
04:32So, it's been really cool.
04:34But it's cool for you
04:35to say that you enjoy
04:37seeing that from me
04:38because there's always been
04:39kind of this weird part of it
04:41for me where I'm like,
04:42is this a pity party?
04:44Because I don't want it to be.
04:45Like, I want this to feel
04:46very positive.
04:48I want to connect with people.
04:49And I guess that is my goal there
04:51is to be like,
04:52there actually is this side of me
04:53that you may not know of.
04:55But the goal here is to connect
04:58and also not feel like
05:01I'm throwing some pity party
05:02for myself
05:03because I want this to be
05:04a learning experience for everyone.
05:06I want this to be really positive
05:07and really well received.
05:09I want you to look at it
05:09and actually have a positive
05:11feeling towards it.
05:12So, I don't know.
05:13You'll find, like, if I, you know,
05:14when I do kind of post about something
05:16or when I want to talk about something,
05:18I'm usually sharing a tip
05:19or, like, sharing kind of
05:21like a little technique,
05:22even if it's something so simple
05:23as, like, walking outside,
05:25taking a few deep breaths
05:25and journaling.
05:26Like, it's just that kind of stuff
05:28that I really like to share
05:31because I feel like
05:32I want to be helpful
05:32more than anything.
05:34Absolutely.
05:34And that's how,
05:35that's at least how I see it.
05:36Like, I see it not completely,
05:38not as a pity party at all,
05:39but so much more as just,
05:41hey, here's a reminder.
05:42Yeah.
05:42Here's something that I did.
05:43And I feel like
05:44that positivity shines through too
05:46in the way you do it.
05:47So, at least if that helps,
05:49whatever that's worth
05:49from the outside,
05:51it definitely comes across that way.
05:53Cool.
05:53And this has easily been
05:54the warmest introduction
05:55to a flow of a conversation
05:57I've ever experienced
05:58in my entire life
05:59of doing this.
05:59I was going to say,
06:00I was actually,
06:00I was actually really nervous
06:01coming in here
06:02because this means so much to me.
06:04Like, and I'm serious
06:05because, you know,
06:06I've done a lot of interviews
06:07in my life
06:08and when thinking about this one
06:10or thinking about that
06:11I even wanted to do
06:12something like this,
06:13it just, it means a lot to me.
06:15And so, it made me
06:16a little nervous.
06:17And I was like,
06:17I just want to get this right.
06:18This isn't like, you know,
06:19me going out and promoting something
06:21or talking about something.
06:22This is, you know,
06:23something very real
06:24that we all experience
06:26which is just, you know,
06:28ourselves and our well-being
06:29and just everything.
06:31So, yeah.
06:32And this is, this is a,
06:33you know, for me genuinely
06:34and I really do mean this,
06:36like the podcast
06:36has been a great excuse
06:39or really from my side
06:41an intention
06:41to get to know people
06:42and I really admire.
06:43And so, for me,
06:45it's been a great way
06:46of building new friendships
06:47and relationships
06:47because if you can sit
06:48and talk to someone
06:49and really get along
06:50with each other,
06:50you're like,
06:51oh, we should do this
06:51more often.
06:52Well, I'm honored.
06:53Yeah.
06:54So, for me,
06:54it's definitely been that
06:55and to me, you know,
06:58you saying that
06:58and, you know,
06:59taking it as intentionally
07:00as you are,
07:01it's, you know,
07:02for me, it's as important.
07:03I always share this
07:04before we start recording
07:05usually,
07:05but we just flowed.
07:07Hey, everyone.
07:08Welcome back to On Purpose,
07:10the number one health podcast
07:11in the world
07:12thanks to each
07:12and every single one of you
07:13that come back every week
07:15to listen, learn, and grow.
07:17Now, it's very rare
07:18that I get to sit down
07:19with someone
07:19that I have admired
07:20for a very long time
07:21from afar,
07:22someone that I believe
07:23has inspired me
07:24through the sharing
07:25of their story,
07:26someone who speaks
07:27so vulnerably and openly
07:28about the things
07:29that I most care about,
07:30mental health, purpose,
07:31the journey of life
07:33and discovery and curiosity.
07:35And what I want to share
07:37about this person
07:37is when I bumped into them
07:38at a mutual friend's
07:39birthday party
07:40and I just want to give
07:40a big shout out
07:41to Simeon Hayes
07:42because this wouldn't happen
07:43without them.
07:43I love you, Simeon Hayes.
07:44You've been amazing guests
07:45on the podcast before as well.
07:47I wouldn't have bumped
07:48into this individual
07:49and had this opportunity
07:50to reach out to them.
07:51And as soon as I reached out,
07:53this has been the most
07:54flowing conversation
07:55and connection
07:56that I've possibly had
07:57on the podcast,
07:58to be honest.
07:58So I just want to put that out.
08:00I'm speaking about
08:00the one and only,
08:01someone who needs
08:01no introduction,
08:02but successful business founder,
08:04international supermodel,
08:06founder of the incredibly
08:07successful tequila brand 818
08:09and star on the Hulu's
08:11The Kardashians,
08:12which premieres in second season
08:14on September 22nd,
08:16the one and only Kendall Jenner.
08:18Kendall, thank you so much
08:19for doing this.
08:20Thanks for having me.
08:20That was a wonderful introduction.
08:22Oh, well,
08:23it's honestly been such an honor
08:25getting to know someone
08:26who,
08:27it's very rare
08:28that I find someone
08:29who functions
08:30with very similar values
08:32in a personal connection sense.
08:34So when I reached out to you,
08:36I really meant
08:37everything I said
08:38and I could have written you an essay,
08:39but I was like,
08:39let's spare the details
08:41and then to get your response
08:43and then for us to be here
08:44within a couple of weeks
08:45of connecting
08:46and even your message this morning,
08:48I just want people to know,
08:49I was like,
08:49the text you sent me this morning,
08:51I was like,
08:52this never happens.
08:53Like, I was like,
08:53this is amazing.
08:54And I was like,
08:54but,
08:55and I was literally going to do
08:56the same thing.
08:56And so to me,
08:57I was like,
08:57this is very rare.
08:58And so I love the synergy
09:00and the flow
09:00that we're experiencing
09:01and I'm excited
09:02to get into it now.
09:04It's funny
09:04because I called,
09:05I called Hayes before
09:06the other day
09:07and I was just like,
09:08oh my God,
09:08I'm going on your friend's show
09:10and whatever.
09:11And she was like,
09:12he's the best.
09:13It's good.
09:13You're just going to flow
09:14right into it.
09:14He's so easy to talk to
09:16and that's literally what happened.
09:17And like I told you,
09:18I just feel like
09:19I manifested this moment
09:20for both of us
09:21and for this,
09:22just this whole experience.
09:23And so I am really happy
09:25to be here
09:26and I'm honestly honored.
09:27Like I said,
09:27I admire you
09:28and I,
09:28there's so many people
09:30like you that I admire.
09:31So I think sitting down here
09:32with you
09:33is just so cool for me
09:34and I get to talk about
09:35fun things with you.
09:37Amazing.
09:37First of many.
09:38And I wanted to start with,
09:40because I always like to start
09:41with just things
09:41that I've seen more recently.
09:43A couple of days ago,
09:43I think you posted
09:44a beautiful picture
09:45of you hugging your horse
09:46and you were like,
09:47you know,
09:47like snuggle time
09:48or something like that.
09:49And I was just like,
09:50when did horses
09:51become a part of your life
09:52and how did you get
09:54so close to them?
09:55I think I've spent
09:56many lifetimes with horses.
09:58I think this is very,
09:59one of many lifetimes
10:00that I've had.
10:01I grew up in a horse community.
10:03So where we grew up,
10:04horses everywhere,
10:05more trails
10:06than there were homes,
10:07really.
10:08And so I was always around horses
10:10and I just was deeply
10:11in love with them.
10:12And I have no explanation.
10:14And that's why I say,
10:14I feel like in past lives,
10:15I have just been around horses.
10:18Yeah.
10:18So since I was a really young kid,
10:20loved them
10:20and continue to love them
10:23my whole life.
10:24They're just the best.
10:25They're the most majestic
10:26and gorgeous
10:27and spiritual.
10:30They feel everything.
10:31I just like,
10:32it's such an honor
10:33to be in their presence
10:34and to be able to do
10:36what I can do with my horse.
10:37I find so magical
10:39that I can stand
10:40in her stall with her
10:41and just like vibe out with her.
10:42I like sometimes come to like
10:44a little,
10:45get a little teary-eyed
10:46when I'm standing
10:46in my stall with her
10:47because I'm like,
10:48this is so cool
10:48that you allow me to do this
10:49and we have this connection
10:50without any words.
10:51It's just the best thing ever.
10:54So I love them.
10:55Yeah, that's so special.
10:56I have a different teary-eyed story
10:57with horses,
10:58but I'll tell you the short version.
11:01So when I proposed to my wife,
11:02who I can't wait
11:03to introduce you to,
11:03when I proposed to her,
11:04which was eight years ago
11:05or something like that,
11:06when I proposed to her,
11:08I organized a very,
11:09what I would consider
11:10like a very Hollywood proposal.
11:12It was too over the top
11:14and I would do it
11:15totally different today
11:16with everything I've learned.
11:17It happens.
11:18Yeah, it happens.
11:19It happens.
11:20And so we were walking
11:21by the Thames in London,
11:22which is where we're both
11:23born and raised
11:23and this acapella group jumps out
11:25and they're singing Bruno Mars
11:26and then like,
11:28they give her a bouquet of flowers
11:29and then I get down on one knee,
11:31I propose,
11:31we have dinner by the river
11:32and then we walk around the corner
11:34and there's a horse-driven carriage
11:37to take us around,
11:38to take us around London.
11:40And so we're on this carriage,
11:41we have this beautiful,
11:42you know,
11:42path through London
11:43and then we get into the train
11:44to get back home
11:45to her parents to tell them
11:47and they already knew
11:47she's got hives
11:49all over her face.
11:50No way.
11:51And all over her arms.
11:52She was allergic?
11:52She's allergic to horses.
11:54And I found out
11:55the day I proposed to her,
11:56I was like,
11:56all right,
11:57so then she was like,
11:58she had tears
11:58and when we got back,
11:59her parents were like,
11:59what did you do to her?
12:00At least you got to enjoy the moment.
12:01At least you got to enjoy the moment.
12:02Yeah, it wasn't until after.
12:03But no,
12:04I love horses.
12:05Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.
12:05No, I love horses
12:06the same way you do.
12:07Like I used to go to India
12:08a lot when I was a kid
12:09and that's where I first learned
12:11to be with horses.
12:14And it was-
12:14I mean,
12:14they're so therapeutic.
12:16Absolutely, yeah.
12:16There's a reason
12:17there's equine therapy.
12:18It's the best.
12:19Exactly.
12:20Yeah, they make me,
12:21they make me,
12:22when I'm with her,
12:24I have a few,
12:24but I'm mostly
12:26with one of my horses right now.
12:27What's her name?
12:27Her name's Dalandra.
12:29I didn't name her.
12:30She came with her name.
12:31But I call her Dylan or Dil.
12:33I love her so much.
12:34But when I'm with her,
12:35I genuinely,
12:36I speak of like,
12:37I spoke about how
12:38I've just loved horses
12:39my whole life.
12:40I feel like a kid around her.
12:42Like I feel
12:42like my 12-year-old self
12:44that would get up
12:45every morning
12:45throughout the entire summer
12:47at 8 a.m.
12:48to go just be
12:49at my trainer's facility
12:51and I would stay there
12:52from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m.
12:53I'd ride all her horses.
12:55I'd groom all her horses.
12:56I would just sit in the stalls
12:57with all the horses.
12:58Like it just,
12:58anytime I'm with her,
12:59I just have that sense
13:00of like being a child again
13:02and it's a really,
13:03really good feeling.
13:04Yeah, animals have
13:04that special ability,
13:06don't they?
13:06They're so awesome.
13:07Whichever animal
13:07you're attracted to
13:08and I never thought I would
13:11but when I lived as a monk,
13:12the animal that's revered
13:13in India is cows.
13:15And you would never think
13:16of cows being like majestic
13:19or, you know,
13:20in that way,
13:20especially when you're not in India.
13:21But the cows in India
13:22have these like lotus-like eyes.
13:24Like the eyes are just like
13:25absolutely stunning.
13:27And they're so special
13:28and they're such gentle animals.
13:30And recently,
13:30Radhi and I went trekking
13:32with gorillas in Rwanda
13:34and gorillas are the,
13:36we have to go.
13:36That sounds unreal.
13:38It was unbelievable.
13:39And they're the animal
13:41that's revered in Rwanda.
13:42So whenever they have
13:44a new gorilla that's born,
13:45they have a naming ceremony
13:46with the community.
13:47I love that.
13:47It's so beautiful.
13:49But, and then I heard somewhere
13:50that you,
13:50your first job was
13:51you were a dog walker.
13:52Yeah.
13:53And so I was thinking like,
13:54do you have any lessons
13:55or anything you learned
13:56by being a dog walker?
13:57I think first jobs
13:58are so interesting.
13:59Yeah.
13:59No, I mean,
14:01I was always
14:02a super disciplined child.
14:04Like meaning to my,
14:05like I just loved,
14:06I would put myself to bed
14:08at 7 p.m.
14:09Be like,
14:09my mom would be like
14:10playing with me
14:11and my little sister
14:11and be like,
14:12mom, it's seven.
14:13I got to go to sleep.
14:14Like it's time for my bedtime.
14:15She'd be like,
14:15are you okay?
14:16And so I was always that kid.
14:19And so I,
14:19I think I just was always
14:20really eager to like work.
14:22I don't know why.
14:23I just like wanted
14:23to always have something to do,
14:25something that I felt
14:26passionate about
14:26that I really enjoyed.
14:28And so, yeah,
14:28when I was young,
14:29I put some flyers
14:31around our community
14:31and said I would walk dogs
14:33and I ended up getting people
14:34that would get,
14:36let me have their dog
14:37for a few hours
14:37and take it for a walk.
14:38So I loved animals
14:40and I liked having something to do.
14:42So I spent,
14:43I was a kid that liked
14:43to be by myself with animals.
14:46So like,
14:46I think that that was a cool,
14:49very fitting thing for me
14:50because I got to be by myself walking,
14:52but then also experience
14:53all these little dogs with me.
14:55Yeah.
14:55Yeah.
14:55I wish I did that.
14:56I used to deliver newspapers.
14:58So that was my first job
14:59and it's not as glamorous
15:00in London because it's raining.
15:02Was that what you were desiring
15:03or was that more just like,
15:05No, I was just 14 years old
15:05and wanted to make some money.
15:06Yeah, you were just like,
15:07I need a little cash.
15:07I was like,
15:07I need to make some money.
15:09Yeah.
15:09And so I was like,
15:09I'm going to start doing this
15:11and you don't get to,
15:12you know,
15:12you'd see it in the movies
15:13where the paper boy
15:14just like chucks the paper
15:16at the door,
15:16but I'd had to actually go
15:17and put it inside.
15:18So my only interaction with dogs
15:19is they were on the inside
15:20grabbing the paper.
15:21Oh, right, right.
15:22And so, yeah.
15:23I always love knowing
15:26about people's first jobs
15:27and how things started for them
15:29because of, you know,
15:30obviously where you are today.
15:31But what do you think it was
15:33in those early years
15:34where you just said
15:36you were very disciplined?
15:37Like, it sounds like
15:38you were aware of certain habits
15:40that you built then.
15:41What were some of the things
15:42that you feel confident about
15:43or how did you look for validation
15:46in those early years
15:47and where did it come from for you?
15:49I mean, it's interesting.
15:50So Kylie, my little sister,
15:51she was always the social butterfly.
15:54I was always,
15:55I just liked being to myself.
15:57I don't know if that's
15:58the Scorpio in me.
15:59So it just came naturally
16:00or whatever.
16:02I had a group of friends
16:03who I loved,
16:04but I just,
16:05I like can vividly remember
16:07just on the weekends
16:08not running to go be
16:09with my friends all the time.
16:10During the summer,
16:10I was with them,
16:11but on the weekends
16:12in between school,
16:13I would,
16:14I was really just by myself.
16:16I would love to like
16:17hang out in my room.
16:18I like was kind of a nerd.
16:20I loved video games
16:21and like sitting on the computer
16:22and playing Sims all day.
16:23Like I just kind of liked
16:24being to myself
16:26and then all day long
16:27during the summer
16:27was with my horses.
16:29And yeah,
16:30I don't know.
16:31I just,
16:31it just brought me joy.
16:32I don't think I have like,
16:34you know,
16:35a super long explanation for that.
16:37It was so simple for me as a kid.
16:39Like it was just as simple
16:40as that made me happy.
16:42And that's just what I wanted.
16:43And it explains,
16:45I guess a lot of me now.
16:47I went through like a phase
16:49where I felt like
16:50I had to be around people.
16:51I think I live a very social life
16:53and my job is very social.
16:55So I was,
16:57you know,
16:57kind of conditioned
16:58to want to be around people a lot.
17:00And then as,
17:02you know,
17:02the pandemic came around,
17:03you're not around
17:04as many people anymore.
17:05Now I'm just re-enjoying
17:07being by myself,
17:08which is really cool.
17:09Yeah.
17:09And I had the most,
17:11I had the best day on Sunday
17:12all by myself.
17:13I got up,
17:14I went and rode my horses.
17:15I like took my niece
17:18to ride her pony.
17:20Just me and her.
17:21It was so nice.
17:22Brought her back home,
17:23went to my house,
17:24got in my cold plunge,
17:25went in my pool,
17:25laid out,
17:26journaled.
17:27Like I was having the best day
17:29and I was just pretty much
17:29all by myself.
17:30So I enjoy it so much.
17:32I love that.
17:32I'm sure that's so refreshing
17:33for people to hear too,
17:34because I feel like people may
17:36from the outside perceive a life,
17:38which obviously,
17:38like you said,
17:39for work,
17:39it's busy and it's social.
17:40And of course you have
17:41wonderful friends,
17:42but to know that you can feel
17:44comfortable in your own company
17:45and that's been a habit
17:46that you've developed.
17:47I crave simple things.
17:49Like I,
17:50I love my life
17:51and I love my job.
17:52And I,
17:53I feel so fortunate
17:55that I have been placed here
17:57that for some reason
17:58I was given this life.
17:59Like I feel immensely grateful for that.
18:02And I have had so much fun.
18:04And I like think back
18:05on just the experience
18:06that I've had,
18:06the experiences
18:07that I've had this far
18:08and it's like,
18:09it's like,
18:10it's shocking to me.
18:11I'm like,
18:11this is so fricking cool
18:12that I live this life.
18:14But at the end of the day,
18:15like when I am home
18:16and when I'm alone,
18:16like I crave the simple things.
18:18I love a simple day.
18:20I love just like a simple routine
18:21and being to myself
18:23and being around the people
18:24that I love,
18:25my small core crew.
18:27So.
18:27Yeah.
18:27That's beautiful.
18:28Yeah.
18:28I mean,
18:29that's,
18:29I think that's what
18:30we're all striving for
18:30is that passion
18:32and our careers
18:32and our work
18:33and then the simplicity
18:34at home.
18:35What would you say,
18:36I was thinking about this
18:37and I've watched
18:38so many of your interviews
18:39and read so much too,
18:40but what would you say
18:42for you as being
18:42one of your like
18:44proudest moments
18:45or greatest achievements
18:45or something that you
18:46really feel like
18:47and internally,
18:48I mean,
18:48like for the basis
18:49of our conversation,
18:50like something that
18:51really brings you joy
18:52internally
18:52when you think about it
18:54or when you had it.
18:56Like I said,
18:56I look back
18:57and the things
18:58that I've accomplished,
19:00just even my job,
19:01like I think I really
19:03at one point
19:03when I was younger
19:05decided I want to be a model
19:06and this is what I want to do
19:08and the fact that I executed,
19:10because we talk about
19:10that determination,
19:11like I really was,
19:13I was 14 years old
19:14when I kind of made
19:15that decision
19:16and was like,
19:16this is what I want to do
19:17and I went to my mom
19:18and I was like,
19:19please help me do this
19:20and I didn't stop
19:22until I was 24
19:24that I was like,
19:26okay,
19:26I think I need to like
19:28take it back a notch
19:28which we can also get into
19:29because that's a very
19:30kind of dramatic story
19:32but like I just knew
19:35and I think I'm proud
19:36of myself
19:37for being that kid
19:39and being determined
19:40to do that
19:40and then executing
19:41and doing it
19:42to the level
19:43that I had done it
19:44and that I guess
19:45I still do
19:46but I also am proud
19:48of I think more so
19:50the self work
19:52that I've done
19:52within that process
19:53because there was
19:55a long period of time,
19:57I'd say the core
19:58five years of it
19:59that I was extremely
20:01overworked,
20:02not my happiest,
20:04not because I wasn't
20:05doing what I loved
20:06but just because
20:07I was overwhelmed
20:08and I felt like
20:10I was saying yes
20:11to everything
20:11because I felt
20:12really, really grateful
20:13and really honored
20:14to be in the position
20:14that I was in
20:16so I was always saying yes
20:17and it just took
20:18a lot out of me
20:20to the point where
20:21I just wasn't happy anymore
20:23and so I had to set
20:25those boundaries
20:26for myself
20:26when I was about 23, 24
20:28I'd say like
20:29what a year
20:30before the pandemic
20:30so yeah
20:31I was probably 23
20:32I really set boundaries
20:33for myself
20:34and I was like
20:35I want to continue
20:35to do this
20:36because this is what I love
20:37but I need to start
20:39saying no
20:40when I can
20:41and prioritizing
20:43me
20:44and prioritizing
20:45like you know
20:47my happiness
20:47and my well-being
20:48and it has done
20:50wonders for me
20:51like I feel like
20:53I can show up
20:53better for myself
20:54and I can show up
20:56a better person
20:57for the people
20:57that get to be
20:58around me that day
20:59and you know
21:00that I work with
21:01on that day
21:02so yeah
21:03yeah
21:04so that's what
21:05I'm proud of
21:05sorry to give you
21:06a long answer
21:06to your question
21:07that's amazing
21:08I was
21:09I won't say
21:10I was hoping for that
21:10because I'm always
21:12open to wherever
21:12anyone's life experience
21:13goes but there's
21:14a part of me
21:14that loves hearing that
21:16like I really
21:16appreciate hearing that
21:17because when you've
21:18achieved so many
21:19incredible things
21:19in your career
21:20which you have
21:20to then say
21:21well this is the part
21:22like knowing
21:23how to navigate it
21:24or making the right
21:25choices at the right time
21:26healthy balance
21:27the healthy balance
21:28it's so important
21:29it's important
21:30for all of us
21:31like we have to
21:32this is what
21:33we're prioritizing
21:34you know
21:35yeah
21:35so
21:35how did you find
21:36the courage
21:37to do that
21:37at the 23 mark
21:39as you're saying
21:40you're in a competitive
21:41industry
21:41as you said
21:42it was overworking
21:44it's fast paced
21:45I'm guessing
21:46there's comparison
21:47in that industry
21:47there's competition
21:48in that industry
21:49of course
21:49it's not an easy
21:50space to be
21:51you're
21:51you know
21:52you're in the top
21:530.01%
21:54in your industry
21:55so it's hard
21:56and the reason
21:57I ask this
21:58is because
21:58I work with
21:59so many people
21:59in this space
22:00and to have
22:01the courage
22:02to say
22:02no
22:03I know
22:04that if I
22:05sort this out
22:06then all of
22:07this is gonna
22:07be just fine
22:08that actually
22:09takes more
22:09courage
22:10than we recognize
22:11we realize
22:12that when you
22:12have nothing
22:13then there's
22:13nothing to lose
22:14you can actually
22:14have a lot
22:15of courage
22:15but when you
22:16have everything
22:16and there's
22:17everything to lose
22:17and a lot
22:18of the time
22:19at least what
22:19I've heard
22:19in town
22:20is you know
22:22older managers
22:22and agents
22:23and I'm not saying
22:23you have any of this
22:24but people that I know
22:25will be told
22:25well hey
22:26if you don't do this
22:27you'll be forgotten
22:28next year
22:29or you know
22:29your career is only
22:30gonna last
22:30another six months
22:31how did you
22:32have that courage
22:33to say
22:33no no no
22:33I need to do this
22:35like where did
22:35that come from
22:36and
22:36I think that
22:37it's interesting
22:37like I've never
22:38thought about it
22:38that way
22:39to be completely
22:39honest with you
22:40I just knew
22:42that if I had
22:43gone any further
22:44that I was going
22:45to lose myself
22:46I was at that
22:47very
22:47I was on
22:49the teeter-totter
22:50edge
22:51of that point
22:52where
22:53had I gone
22:54any further
22:54I was probably
22:56not gonna be
22:56great
22:57it was so important
22:59to me
23:00to feel good
23:01that I just
23:02knew that it was
23:03something that I
23:04had to do
23:05and I can't say
23:06like
23:06you're absolutely
23:08right
23:08like
23:09there were
23:10so many
23:10people around
23:11me
23:11that had
23:12told me
23:13not to say
23:14no
23:15and told
23:15or told me
23:16yeah told me
23:17not to say
23:17no
23:17told me
23:18not to stop
23:18I fought my
23:20way out of it
23:20a little bit
23:21because there
23:21were people
23:22that had
23:22worked for me
23:23that you know
23:24didn't want me
23:25to stop
23:26because it
23:26might have
23:26benefited them
23:27but I got
23:29to that point
23:30and I just
23:30knew I had
23:31to do it
23:31and I just
23:32I don't know
23:32I don't know
23:33how to explain
23:34it I guess
23:34it was just
23:35such an
23:36unbelievable
23:36sensation
23:37that I had
23:38where I knew
23:39that if I do
23:39this I'm going
23:40to be better
23:41for everyone
23:41and I'm going
23:42to be better
23:42for myself
23:43which means
23:43I'm going
23:43to be better
23:44for the people
23:44around me
23:45and I have
23:46to do this
23:46and so
23:47it wasn't
23:48really
23:48I want to
23:49be able
23:50to live
23:50with happiness
23:52God forbid
23:53any of this
23:54ever went
23:54away
23:55and I think
23:56that that was
23:57a big moment
23:57for me
23:58of being like
23:59I'm going
23:59to be okay
24:00if I don't
24:01get this job
24:02tomorrow
24:02and I'm going
24:03to be okay
24:04if I don't
24:04get that job
24:05in a month
24:05if I have
24:06to take this
24:06time to do
24:07whatever
24:07things will
24:08come
24:08everything's
24:09going to work
24:10out the way
24:10it's supposed
24:10to and I
24:11had to trust
24:11that
24:12yeah
24:12well to me
24:13from the
24:14outside
24:14and it's
24:14it's beautiful
24:15that you didn't
24:15see it in yourself
24:16because that
24:17makes it even
24:18more wonderful
24:18but the idea
24:19that to me
24:19from the
24:19outside
24:20that's a lot
24:20of courage
24:21yeah
24:21it takes
24:22a lot
24:22of courage
24:23it takes
24:23a lot
24:23of vulnerability
24:24and openness
24:25and and it
24:26takes courage
24:26at every level
24:27whether someone's
24:28thinking about
24:29quitting their job
24:30to do something
24:30they love
24:31or whether
24:31someone's trying
24:32to relocate
24:33their family
24:33and doesn't
24:34know how
24:34or whether
24:35someone like
24:36you is feeling
24:36success but then
24:37going well wait
24:38a minute
24:38and I think
24:38in the past
24:39few years
24:39we've seen
24:40athletes and
24:41musicians and
24:42actors and
24:43people in all
24:43creative industries
24:44step back and
24:45say well I need
24:45to put me
24:46first
24:46yeah
24:47and I think
24:48that that's
24:48empowering
24:48because I think
24:50we hear about
24:50burnout in
24:51work culture
24:52and corporate
24:53culture so often
24:54for sure
24:55so what was
24:57it that you
24:57started to do
24:58at that new
24:59found time
24:59at that time
25:00like where
25:01was is that
25:01where the
25:02curious was the
25:02curiosity always
25:03there and now
25:03you could actually
25:04follow it
25:05it was it was
25:06it was always
25:07there and I
25:08had had a lot
25:09of people coming
25:09to me telling
25:10me about
25:11meditation and
25:12how it changed
25:13their life and
25:14therapy and so
25:15many different
25:16things and I
25:17was a bit
25:18overwhelmed because
25:19I was like oh
25:19my god what if
25:20this is gonna
25:20suit me I think
25:21it's a very
25:22personal experience
25:23I think everybody
25:24has a very
25:24different version
25:25of all of that
25:26stuff and so
25:28it was a little
25:28overwhelming so I
25:29think I really just
25:30took the time to
25:30be off for a
25:31second it was
25:32even the little
25:33things it was
25:33like being able
25:34to go to my
25:35friend's birthday
25:36party which I
25:36wouldn't have been
25:37able to go to
25:38before because I
25:39was working a lot
25:39I love hearing
25:40that because I
25:41think it is
25:42those simple
25:42things like you
25:44know giving
25:44yourself that
25:45space whatever
25:46it is that you
25:46needed to do
25:47yeah when you
25:48needed it and
25:49and like you said
25:49sometimes it's
25:50like that's when
25:51all the subscribe
25:51buttons come up
25:52in front of you
25:53and it's like try
25:53this and try
25:54this and
25:54it's like well
25:55no no no let
25:55me just take
25:56my time
25:56it was also now
25:58that I think
25:58about it yeah
25:5923 I'm 26 I've
26:01had my horse for
26:02so around that
26:04time is when I
26:05bought the horse
26:06that I have now
26:07who is my like I
26:10I jump her and I
26:11like how I have
26:12two other horses
26:13but they're like
26:13retired so I don't
26:15really ride them the
26:15same way I ride
26:16her so yeah I guess
26:18it was around that
26:18time too that I was
26:19like I'm gonna do
26:20this because I love
26:21this and like I
26:22want to get back
26:22into it and this
26:23is what I've
26:23loved my whole
26:24life so so it
26:26was around that
26:26time that I feel
26:27like all of that
26:27started happening
26:28and I bought my
26:28horse and I like
26:29started taking more
26:31time for things
26:31that made me
26:32really happy
26:33yeah what I what
26:34I'm noticing in
26:35you and observing
26:36or at least from
26:37just no in a good
26:39way I was just
26:41saying it's like it
26:42feels like no
26:43matter what's
26:43happening in your
26:44orbit there's this
26:45pillar of belief
26:46that it's important
26:48to be happy yeah
26:49like you know
26:50that's like this
26:51core center
26:51belief in your
26:52life where it's
26:52like it's important
26:53to be happy it's
26:54important to be
26:54happy it's that
26:56has to be the
26:56goal for sure
26:57and you know
26:59it's not always
27:00easy we live in
27:03such an interesting
27:04industry and in
27:06such an interesting
27:07time with social
27:08media that it can
27:10be very hard
27:11sometimes you can
27:12fall victim to so
27:14many things that
27:15don't serve you and
27:17that don't make
27:18you happy if
27:19your happiness
27:20depends on the
27:22actions of
27:23others you know
27:24you're at mercy of
27:26things that you
27:26can't control and
27:28that's never where I
27:30want to be so I
27:30always want to live
27:32in like me and my
27:33therapist talk about
27:34like my higher
27:35goddess my higher
27:36self like I always
27:37want to live there
27:38knowing that you
27:40know when I'm
27:41there you can't
27:42take that away from
27:43me that that's
27:44mine and no matter
27:45what you can disagree
27:46with me you can
27:46agree with me
27:47that's not going
27:49my I'm not
27:49changing I'm not
27:50shifting I'm here
27:51I'm in my higher
27:52goddess so I
27:54kind of I always
27:55live by like
27:56keep holding my
27:58happiness and not
27:59letting anyone else
28:00affect it and though
28:01I fall victim to it
28:02at times of course
28:03as we all probably
28:04do absolutely I
28:06I strive every day
28:07to live in that
28:08place so what
28:09what are some of
28:10the qualities of
28:11your higher goddess
28:12so that that kind
28:13of avatar like she's
28:15awesome like I said
28:17I don't love a
28:17pity party I
28:18also like you
28:19know sometimes it
28:20feels weird to like
28:21say good things
28:22about yourself but
28:23I've also learned a
28:25lot about talking to
28:25myself and a lot
28:26about looking in the
28:27mirror and being
28:28like you're great
28:29you're gorgeous you're
28:30amazing you're loyal
28:31you're positive you're
28:33so many like I love
28:35words of affirmation
28:36I love just sitting
28:38there and reassuring
28:39myself of who I am
28:40because that's another
28:42thing for me you know
28:44there's so many false
28:46narratives about me
28:47about all of us I'm
28:48sure like so many
28:50people think they have
28:51you figured out when
28:52they don't even know
28:53the half of it so
28:55sitting there and
28:56being like you know
28:57you get frustrated
28:58sometimes it could feel
28:59really unfair you
29:00could be reading
29:01something that someone
29:01is saying about you
29:02or hearing something
29:03that someone's saying
29:04about you and being
29:05like that is so unfair
29:06because that's not
29:06who I am and that
29:08really gets to me
29:09sometimes and that
29:10really sucks but then
29:12looking at myself in
29:13the mirror and being
29:13like but I know who
29:14I am and that's all
29:16why does anything else
29:17matter and my friends
29:18know who I am and my
29:19family knows who I am
29:21my dog knows who I am
29:22my horse knows who I
29:23am like why does any
29:24of everything else is
29:25just noise I do this
29:27exercise I don't think
29:28I've shared this before
29:29but I do this exercise
29:30with some of my clients
29:31where we'll go on a
29:32walk and we'll be on a
29:33hike wherever we are
29:34and I'll ask them what
29:37they think a piece of
29:38you know maybe there's a
29:39little leaf or maybe
29:41there's some a flower or
29:42something that looks a
29:43little unique on the
29:44path and I'll say what
29:45do you think that feels
29:47like and what do you
29:48think it would feel like
29:49if you picked it up in
29:50your hand and they'll be
29:52like oh it looks really
29:52rough and like it might
29:54scratch me and like it
29:55looks like a bit you know
29:56like uneven or whatever
29:58and it looks kind of hard
29:59and strong and then I'll
30:01ask them to pick it up
30:02and nine times out of ten
30:04it's completely different
30:06like they'll pick it up and
30:07it'll just dissolve in
30:08their hands or they'll
30:09turn it over and the
30:10color's really soft and
30:12sorry the shape the
30:13shape's really soft and
30:14the color's totally
30:14different on the other
30:15side and I do that
30:17exercise to help us
30:18realize just how
30:18multifaceted humans are
30:20yeah today I've got to
30:21meet you and and
30:22obviously we're spending
30:23a lot of deep intimate
30:24vulnerable time together
30:25so you learn faster
30:26about someone but if
30:27someone only follows
30:28someone on social media
30:29or only sees someone at
30:31an event or only sees
30:32one interview it's so
30:34easy to create such a
30:35singular view of
30:36someone right and I
30:37think and I want to
30:39say this because I
30:39really think we all
30:40feel it I don't think
30:41anyone wants to be
30:42seen in a singular
30:44way if you had to
30:46choose one word that
30:48had to be you for the
30:49rest of your life I
30:50don't think anyone
30:51wants that I think
30:52we all know that
30:52we're messy and
30:54complex and different
30:56of course but we like
30:57to put someone else in
30:59a box whoever that
31:00may be because it's
31:01easier than to live
31:02life and say okay
31:03well that's person's
31:05a b right yeah
31:07so there's this
31:08beautiful piece of
31:09wisdom that I always
31:09share from Charles
31:11Horton Cooley and he
31:12wrote this in 1890 I
31:14think it was which
31:15just shows how true
31:16this has been for such
31:17a long time and
31:18obviously long before
31:19that as well and he
31:21said the challenge
31:22today is I'm not what
31:23I think I am I'm not
31:25what you think I am I
31:27am what I think you
31:29think I am and we'll
31:31let that blow everyone's
31:32mind it gives me chills
31:33every time I say it
31:34yeah Charles Horton
31:35Cooley said the
31:36challenge today is I'm
31:37not what I think I am
31:39I'm not what you think
31:40I am I am what I
31:42think you think I am
31:44and what he's trying to
31:45say is that we live in a
31:47perception of a
31:48perception of ourselves
31:49so if I think you think
31:51I'm smart then I allow
31:53myself to feel smart
31:54right it's like we need
31:56that validation or if I
31:58think you think I'm not
32:00smart then I feel hurt
32:02yeah and and the
32:03challenge is I don't
32:04know what you're
32:04thinking at all especially
32:06outside in the world and
32:07so I find that what you're
32:08saying around like well
32:09what do I think about
32:10myself like how do I
32:11feel about myself how do
32:12the people that actually
32:13know me feel about me I
32:15think that's really
32:15empowering I wanted to
32:17ask you because I feel
32:18like from from what I've
32:19seen and from what I've
32:20heard you have you have
32:21great friendships you
32:21have a great relationship
32:22with your family as you
32:23said like what do you
32:24think have been really
32:25great habits or traits in
32:28relationships that have
32:29helped you build up good
32:30friendships and and
32:31family relations because I
32:32think for so many people
32:33sometimes their friendships
32:35and their family can often
32:36be the most difficult part
32:37but I feel like the way
32:39you communicate the way
32:40you're talking about I'm
32:41like okay there's some
32:41really good habits in
32:42place here yeah have
32:43there been any principles
32:44or rules that you've
32:45learned along the way
32:46that have been helpful I
32:47mean of course honesty I'm
32:50a big person on like
32:52keeping a really honest
32:53healthy communicative
32:55relationship but I also
32:58think like I find it
33:00really important to have
33:01not feel like you're on
33:03top of each other when
33:04you have your family
33:05around or your friends
33:06around it's okay to like
33:07sometimes even if you're
33:09at like a family dinner
33:10running to the bathroom
33:11and just being like let
33:11me just take a couple
33:12breaths because this is
33:13getting overwhelming
33:14do you know what I
33:15mean so I just love to
33:16like take a second my
33:19feelings are valid like
33:20sometimes my family's a
33:21lot which I bet everyone
33:22already knows everyone's
33:24families have a sense of
33:26crazy to them but but I
33:28think that I can get
33:29really overwhelmed really
33:30easily I am prone to
33:32just you know a good
33:34amount of anxiety and
33:35just being extremely
33:37overwhelmed and kind of
33:38taking everything too
33:39seriously sometimes so I
33:40like to just step away
33:41sometimes and just be
33:42like this is okay I'm
33:43allowed to feel this way
33:44it's valid I'm just
33:45gonna take a deep breath
33:46and I'm not gonna react
33:47and then I'm gonna go
33:47back out there and I'm
33:48gonna be fine
33:48sometimes I do that
33:51I love that I love how
33:52easy it is we don't need
33:53no one needs to learn a
33:54new meditation practice
33:55so a new thing
33:56sometimes it's just as
33:57simple as that yeah it's
33:59as simple as that I love
34:00that I you know one of
34:02the things that you know
34:03when which which really
34:04touched my heart when I
34:05saw this because I think
34:06when things happen in
34:08culture and and everyone
34:09talks about it but but
34:10sometimes you're like okay
34:11well I can tell that
34:11there's a real connection
34:13here like when when you
34:14lost Virgil right like
34:15that when I when I saw
34:17your message and what you
34:18spoke about it I was
34:18like wow this is this
34:20is someone who had a
34:20really deep connection
34:21with this individual and
34:22going through grief is
34:23really really tough like
34:25you know people who lose
34:26and I lost uh two really
34:28close people to me during
34:28the pandemic I'm sorry
34:30uh one was thank you one
34:31was one was my spiritual
34:32teacher since I was 12
34:33years old and he died of
34:36stage four brain cancer
34:37and I hadn't seen him
34:38during the pandemic I
34:39couldn't go back for his
34:41because that was still when
34:41it was like yeah yeah
34:43I couldn't go back for
34:44his funeral and you know
34:46he'd been the person who'd
34:47been such a key piece in
34:48my life and then the
34:50other person pretty much
34:52in the same year was my
34:53best friend as a monk so
34:55he was still a monk wow
34:57and he happened to get
34:58cancer and he passed away
34:59during the pandemic I
35:00couldn't see him either and
35:01he was my age and so to
35:02lose someone that was you
35:04know he was still there
35:05and so oh yeah and so and
35:07so when I saw your you
35:08know your wonderful tribute
35:10to Virgil as well I was
35:11like you know how how do
35:13you process something like
35:14that when you know it's
35:16not only industry friends
35:17but genuine friendship
35:18beyond that and just how
35:19yeah well my first thought
35:21here is why is it always
35:23the best people like why
35:24is it always these people
35:25that are just such balls of
35:28light in everyone's life
35:30it's like so you just think
35:31about it and you're like
35:32this is so unfair and
35:33you're going through every
35:34emotion and to be honest it
35:37was really shocking because
35:39not everyone knew what he
35:41was going through and
35:43suffering from so it was
35:45really shocking I'll never
35:47forget the day I found out
35:48and it just absolutely
35:52obviously breaks your heart
35:53and you can't help but be
35:57like oh my god did I did I
35:59ever say enough did I ever
36:01tell him enough it's really
36:03interesting to share that
36:04feeling with so many people
36:06yeah it feels good in a way
36:08and you're just like everyone
36:10makes you feel so human and
36:12you're sharing this emotion
36:14with people that knew him
36:15people that didn't know him
36:16people that just loved him
36:18from afar and it's just a
36:20really beautiful and
36:23incredible thing to a
36:24certain degree but then also
36:25just obviously the most
36:27devastating thing it hits so
36:30hard when so many people are
36:32talking about it and so many
36:33people are affected by it so
36:35it was definitely a really
36:38shocking really sad time yeah
36:42it was yeah yeah and those
36:43and and it's really
36:44interesting what you said
36:45there is like why and and I
36:46had that with my spiritual
36:47teacher for sure I was just
36:48like like he was you know
36:51and and what's really
36:53powerful about what I could
36:55at least remember from him
36:56at that time was that even
36:58though he had stage four
36:58brain cancer which means he'd
36:59lost his short-term memory and
37:02a lot of his long-term memory
37:03is impaired if you ever met
37:05him he would just thank you
37:07for your service to God like
37:08he would just say thank you for
37:09everything you're doing for
37:10other people and he would just
37:11be grateful and I was just
37:13like that's exactly how V was
37:15too he was the most positive
37:18lived life like appreciative
37:22wanted to say yes to
37:24everything wanted to just be
37:26there for everyone you could
37:29literally ask him to design a
37:30pencil for you and he would be
37:32like it'll be done tomorrow
37:33what are you what else do you
37:34need like he just had so much
37:37to give and he gave it and that
37:40wasn't that was pre his
37:42diagnosis that was like that was
37:44just who Virgil was and so to
37:47then find out what he found out
37:49at a certain point in his life and
37:50still be that person it's still
37:52like I'm gonna show up for
37:53everyone and like my time here is
37:56so special to all these other
37:58people and I'm going to like be
37:59here to make them feel amazing
38:02it's just like unreal like it
38:04makes you just be like what
38:06like how you're how could you be
38:09that incredible and giving like
38:10that is so crazy there wasn't a
38:13selfish bone in that man's body
38:14like he was just the best yeah
38:16but I'm sorry to hear about your
38:18oh no no I think it's it's
38:20actually nice speaking about
38:21people that we both love in in a
38:23in a similar way even though
38:25they're in such different places
38:26in life doing very different
38:27things yeah but to talk about
38:29someone's and I think that's a
38:30big part of it for me at least
38:32with grief that I feel like when
38:33I talk about the beautiful
38:34qualities of the people that I
38:36lost it gives me so much
38:39confidence that they want me to
38:42live it and they want me to try
38:44and embody it and that how
38:46fortunate we are yeah to have
38:47experienced that type of
38:48humanity yeah like you know and
38:50those are my thoughts of him like I
38:52think all we ever really want as
38:54human beings is to be you know when
38:56we do leave this earth we want to
38:57be remembered so beautifully and
39:00positive positively I know at least
39:02I do of course but like you just
39:04want you of course want to make
39:06people feel something and he made
39:08so many people feel something and
39:10for that it is so special like what
39:12they say that we you know we have
39:14our purpose here and I know that he
39:16fulfilled a purpose here that he
39:18was supposed to fulfill and I think
39:19that that's I think about it
39:22beautifully like I obviously it's a
39:24very very sad situation and it and
39:27it breaks my heart but I have
39:30nothing but beautiful thoughts of
39:31him and I think that's really cool
39:33and really special so yeah you thank
39:35you for sharing that too and I had to
39:37ask you because yeah I just I feel I
39:40love hearing amazing things about
39:41amazing people that you know because
39:43I think so many of the most
39:44incredible people I grew up reading
39:46about people that I never met and I
39:48spent a lot of my life studying books
39:50about people that I never met some
39:51Malcolm X and Martin Luther King and
39:53Einstein and people that I really see
39:55as people that have directed so much
39:57of my life from how they lived and I
40:01feel like he was potentially one of
40:03those people that I never met him but
40:04whenever I hear about him I'm just
40:06like for sure this is someone that we
40:07could learn from you you spoke about
40:09purpose there I was wondering how is
40:12your purpose changed you had this very
40:13confident view of I want to be a
40:16model you know you've superseded
40:18exceeded and continue to flourish in
40:20that world and I and I always wish
40:22that you do how has your purpose
40:24evolved as that time's gone on I think
40:27I've learned a lot I've learned a lot
40:28about myself about what I want from my
40:31life and which is kind of what we've
40:33been talking about but I'm actually
40:35really excited to get older and to
40:39learn so much more about not only
40:41myself but like the journey and the
40:44path that I I guess want to take and
40:46want to be on so I'd say you know my
40:50purpose has evolved from obviously
40:52within business doing what I want to
40:55do and making sure I'm happy and
40:58finding the thing that I love and all
40:59those things but I've kind of like I
41:02said really tuned into me and I think
41:05my purpose at least at this very
41:06moment and what I've kind of evolved
41:08into is is my higher goddess like I am
41:12determined to tune into her at all
41:13times but also as I get older I have so
41:18much that I want to connect with other
41:22people and with you know aka social
41:26media and people that may not know me
41:28personally and just you know the
41:30following like I said I was given this
41:33life for some reason for whatever reason
41:35I was placed here and I do feel a
41:37purpose to share and connect and put a
41:42smile on people's faces or make someone
41:44feel a positive feeling and so I think
41:46that within me wanting to achieve me
41:49tuning into my higher goddess I think
41:51that also entails me being a great
41:54version of myself for other people to
41:57then experience and my tips and my tools
42:01and whatever I can share whatever help I
42:03can give I I really you know as corny as
42:07it sounds I want to spread love like I
42:09want people to feel love I that's really
42:11I guess the purpose yeah that's that's
42:14beautiful I mean what more could you ask
42:15for yeah right yeah and and it is funny
42:18that so much of the stuff that is corny or
42:20you know whatever that's the stuff that's
42:21true right that's the stuff it is like
42:24there's also just we all just like live in
42:27such a it's an interesting time obviously
42:29and it can feel really negative and I tend
42:34to stay off of platforms like social media
42:37platforms because it's hard to look at
42:39sometimes and it feels really negative so
42:41I feel like we all just need a little bit
42:42of a smile sometimes I agree I agree I I
42:45post these videos every day which are
42:48just these fun silly things that happen
42:51in the world that my my team will find
42:53I'll find and I post them every day
42:54literally for that reason and that reason
42:56only because I'm like I may or may say
42:58may or may not say something that makes
43:00someone smile right but this definitely
43:02will like this this without a doubt will
43:05bring some joy to someone's life and if
43:07if this is the only joy that someone
43:08experienced I want them to see good in
43:09the world and believe that there's good
43:11in the world that's one of my favorite
43:12things to see on um tiktok when I sit in
43:15my bed at night and fall victim to tiktok
43:16I love to see there's people that I'll post
43:19like um here's like five amazing facts
43:23that have happened in the world in the
43:24last couple weeks or whatever and it'll be
43:26like the you know pandas are not extinct
43:29anymore and like the great barrier reef is
43:31coming back and stuff like that and so
43:33I'm like that's so cool that's what I want
43:35to hear exactly and and you know if it
43:37was like it's going down it's like it's
43:39going to get a lot of likes and hits but
43:40it's going up it doesn't get the same
43:42attention yeah why do we like gravitate
43:45towards the negative so much like no very
43:47interesting we have to retrain I I genuinely
43:49believe it's just a pattern it's a pattern
43:52and a habit that's been adopted for so long
43:55absolutely and we have to retrain
43:57ourselves the clickbait of it all and the
43:59whole thing and we're like that's going
44:02downhill I need to see what's happening and
44:04we're just like we do need to retrain our
44:06brains it's exactly what it is yeah and it
44:09starts with what you said earlier it starts
44:10with how we see ourselves it is all from
44:13that if someone looks in the mirror as you
44:15were saying earlier or if someone just
44:16reflects on themselves not in them
44:18physically but just internally yeah most of
44:22us will spot all the negative things about
44:24ourselves and then we take that out into
44:26the world and spot all the negative things
44:28about everyone else and then we take that
44:30out into social media right so that just
44:32propels from if you're all a reflection
44:35it's all yeah if we ask someone to sit down
44:37and write down as you said we feel
44:39uncomfortable taking a compliment or we
44:41feel uncomfortable saying nice about
44:43ourselves exactly and so it all starts
44:45with our relationship with ourself if we
44:47were able to find three good things about
44:49ourselves today I promise you you're going
44:52to find three good things about the person
44:53sitting in front of you and and that will
44:55right exactly I do a lot of like inner
44:59inner child work with my therapist and
45:02there's actually a trend on TikTok that
45:04was going around but coincidentally enough
45:06we ended up naturally speaking about it in
45:08my session and it was like this trend on
45:10TikTok I guess that was like um like a
45:13girl being like anytime you're being mean to
45:16yourself just think this is who you're
45:18talking about and then it flashes to like a
45:20photo of her as a kid and so I me and my
45:23therapist were talking about something
45:24similar and she was like why don't you
45:26find like a photo of yourself and put it
45:28on your bathroom mirror so that every
45:30morning every night every day when you
45:32walk into your bathroom mirror you're
45:34looking at her and you're remembering that
45:35if there's anything negative that you're
45:37ever saying about yourself if you're ever
45:38being mean to yourself you're talking
45:40about her and so I did that and I went
45:42into my um I went into like my memorabilia
45:45closet in my house and I was looking through
45:47old like photo books and I've seen these
45:49photo books my whole life I've literally
45:50seen every photo that's been in here and I
45:53like flipped to a page and there was a
45:55photo I'd never seen of myself ever it was
45:57a Polaroid so it was the original photo
45:59and it was just me as a little girl with a
46:02bow in my hair and a dress on and I have
46:04like a little alien tattoo or something
46:05right here and I'm like have this big cheesy
46:08smile on my face and I was like that's the
46:10photo I'm putting on my thing I can show
46:12you the photo later I have a picture of it
46:13on my phone but um so I pasted it on my
46:16bathroom mirror and I talked to her and I'm
46:19always like if I'm ever looking in the
46:21mirror and being negative towards myself
46:22or anything I'm I always look right over
46:24to her and I'm like she's dope and I love
46:26her and so it's just another way of just
46:29self-love I love that that's such a great
46:31tool that's such a great tool my team
46:32found a kid picture of me and made an
46:34embarrassing version of that trend so I'll
46:36show you that too oh awesome okay so you
46:38know it yeah I know exactly I know exactly
46:40what you're talking about as well Kendo you
46:42were saying earlier that you know you you
46:44wanted to come here and you you wanted to
46:45share and you manifested and you there were
46:47things you wanted to share what is it that's
46:48on your heart that you've wanted to share
46:51that maybe we didn't go there today already
46:53or is there something on your mind and heart
46:54as an experience or uh any anything that
46:57really drew you here and made this happen
47:00right like I want to honor that I think
47:03we've obviously we've honestly touched a
47:05lot of what I felt like I would have loved
47:07to get off my heart I don't know I was
47:09really excited honestly to come here and share a little bit of me that I feel is very sometimes
47:19scary for me to share and um like I said I came in here and I was a little nervous because this is important to me and like this part of you know everyone's journey and and what we're talking about today is it's so important I really that was I guess my intention here today was to come in and share a little bit of me and maybe for whoever's watching
47:39they find some comfort in this or some joy from this or they understand me a little bit more you know what I mean so I think that we've hit a lot of really cool points and yeah I mean I feel I feel really good good I wanted to honor that I asked that because you know I think I think when when you feel you're in that flow with someone and yeah I feel like you know we've learned so many new things about you today and there's so many moments where I'm like I just feel like you're so comfortable and and you've been so open with us but I just wanted to honor that
48:09thank you and make sure that you feel that you've really felt heard and seen I appreciate that thank you so I hope so we all want to just be understood at the end of the day so I think the closer you get to people humans the closer you get to people of different backgrounds and different walks of life
48:27the more you start to recognize how similar we all are yeah exactly and how many challenges we all share despite how much money someone has in the bank despite how much fame someone has despite how much followers someone has right and what we find is that everyone feels their own guilt for where they are and everyone feels their own pressure for where they are and everyone feels their own challenge for where they are and you just start to realize that we all have the same emotions exactly in different mixes
48:57we're all just going day by day I think we all need to be a little bit kinder to each other and just take it easy on some people because we are we're all we all have our own struggles and um I don't know I'm I'm an empath so I like feel for things and I feel for people and um yeah yeah and it starts with you the person right yeah exactly I thought you meant me I was like I don't know I don't have that power I was like thank you no no no I meant I meant that
49:27to our listener like it starts with yourself yeah absolutely if you can be kinder to yourself chances are you're gonna be I I found that the days I stopped judging myself I stopped judging others because it it changed how I yeah saw humanities yeah uh Kendall we end every on purpose episode with a final five which is a fast five round I ask you a question and you answer it uh with a one word or one sentence maximum so it's super quick and short okay okay and we have to whisk you away because you need to you need to go
49:57to your next appointment uh but okay so the first question is what's something you're curious about right now oh um I am super curious about I was saying how I love um Michael Singer and I think what I really love I'm reading uh the surrender experiment right now and I'm only in the first couple chapters so he's basically this is not a quick answer it's great I love it though please please he's basically at the first part of the book where he's talking about how he was curious
50:26about meditation and how he got into meditation and how he really just was like on a trip with his friends and his girlfriend in the woods and like sat in a corner or sat at a tree and was like I'm gonna just really dive into this and see what happens
50:37that's what I'm curious about right now it's just actually like I meditate I do a lot of breathing work breathing exercises and I just really want to tap in
50:46yeah like Michael Singer did I love that that's beautiful that's a great answer that's a great answer uh second question if there's anything that you're working on personally right now what are you working on on yourself is there any yes um I'm working on I'm working on boundaries and I'm working on not
51:03I'm a stressor like I'm a stressor like I'm a stressor like I can stress about things and my mind and I overthink and I just so I'm really working on like calming down and just letting things flow better and not being so controlling over things especially that I can't control
51:19love it uh question number three uh what's your favorite thing about founding 818
51:24oh being an entrepreneur being a founder probably that like I I you know was a model and I worked
51:33for people a lot I kind of love being my own boss and really being able to have my own creative
51:39a place where I can be creative and just really express my creativity and have so much fun doing all
51:46of that creative stuff and I've learned so much and learning about the culture and learning about
51:51the tequila and everything like I've just had the best time so I love that uh question number four
51:56what's something you used to value but you don't value anymore
51:59validation great I don't care anymore great at least I'm telling myself yes yeah well we have to
52:09make it a thought first right yeah no but it's true like I used to care so much more about validation
52:15I really don't care anymore at least as much thank you yeah uh fifth and final question if you could
52:20create one law that everyone in the world had to follow what would it be oh I would do like
52:26on like a Sunday you have to take half the day and like not look at your phone that's great I love
52:33that that's a legit law that's great right yeah kind of nice or the full day or being really crazy
52:38I love that idea I love that uh Kendall Jenner everyone this was amazing Kendall this honestly uh
52:45and I'm excited to catch up afterwards too but there's there was just so much flow and synergy in this
52:50whole thing happening and I couldn't thank you more for doing this with me here on on purpose
52:56and I hope that this is the first of many times that we'll do this but I hope it's the beginning
53:01of a beautiful friendship for sure and relationship and uh for sure I want to everyone who's been
53:05listening or watching back at home please let me and Kendall know tag us letting us know what
53:10resonated with you what connected with you like what was it that you've got curious about or what was
53:15something she said that just shifted your perspective or where you learned something new I'd love to hear it
53:19I know there were tons of moments for me where I was listening going this is amazing this is
53:24incredible this is awesome so any wisdom nuggets that stuck out to you please let us know because
53:29I love seeing uh what made a difference in your life as well and a big thank you to Kendall for
53:34opening our heart and opening up our mind thank you I'm honored thank you so much thank you so much
53:40thank you thank you that was amazing if you want even more videos just like this one make sure you
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