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00:00I don't want to start this podcast off with a bummer.
00:03Everyone's liars.
00:05Okay.
00:06I'm going to start this off with a bummer, guys.
00:08Okay, my OCD is through the roof.
00:09Really?
00:10Yeah.
00:11For what reason?
00:12Please, comment.
00:13Give us an example.
00:14Okay, so the other day, I went to the kitchen, right,
00:17and I was with my girlfriend,
00:18and I had put the door stopper,
00:21like, hadn't quite touched the wall,
00:22and so I had to leave and go down.
00:24Which is highly dangerous.
00:25I'm fully with you on that.
00:26Yeah, but it's just my OCD is, like, through the roof.
00:28Like, to the point, I played golf on the weekend,
00:31and I hit a piece of turf out of the ground, right?
00:33Uh-huh.
00:34And then I walked, like, 20 meters up,
00:36and I had to run back and...
00:37Yeah, I mean, yeah, you have to sum that shit back in.
00:40That's just common courtesy, I think, right?
00:42That is just common courtesy.
00:44It's not.
00:45It's my OCD.
00:46It's really...
00:47Do you get OCD ever?
00:48Do you ever get OCD?
00:49I do sometimes.
00:50This is weird, but I get it when I highlight scripts.
00:54Like, if the highlight's a bit out on my iPad,
00:56I need to erase it and do a straight one.
00:58I know, it's weird.
00:59And you're the only person who's going to see this.
01:02That must be really, really painful.
01:03I'm the only person that will ever see it.
01:05Yeah, it can't go out of the line.
01:07Did you at school, did you used to get the ruler
01:09and highlight it that way?
01:12Yes, I was one of them.
01:13Oh, no.
01:13Those people really annoyed me.
01:14But then, no, no, no, but then I would annotate it,
01:17and the annotations would be everywhere.
01:19Like, it just doesn't add up.
01:20It doesn't make sense.
01:21I think I needed some clarity amongst the chaos.
01:24Did you guys ever cheat in exams?
01:27Yeah.
01:28And write stuff on your pen's case, on your arms?
01:29You know what?
01:30I've never admitted this, but I'll tell you.
01:32Oh, this is a first.
01:33Here we go.
01:33Yeah, I did cheat in my French GCSE.
01:36I wrote all the verbs and stuff at the top of my thighs.
01:39Oui, oui.
01:39And I was like this, like, with my skirt on the exam.
01:43Sorry.
01:43Just lifting up your skirt.
01:45Sorry.
01:45If the teacher comes over, you're like, stop fucking perving.
01:47You know what I mean?
01:48There we go.
01:49So, hang on.
01:49So, you used to write it on your leg, and that's how you used to cheat?
01:52Well, not used to.
01:52On that one occasion, yeah.
01:53I just wasn't ready, and I also wasn't ready to fail.
01:57That's actually a really…
01:58It's smart.
01:59Did you used to cheat?
02:00Yeah, initially.
02:00Yeah, I had my pencil case.
02:01I had a see-through pencil case, and you could write stuff on it.
02:04And then if you pushed the calculator up against it, it would then, like, you could read it.
02:09Yes, and what about the calculator case, but with your phone inside?
02:12I've never decided.
02:13Sorry, what is this?
02:13Sorry, how small was your phone?
02:15Yeah, what the hell is going on?
02:16Okay, so you know how you have, like, a calculator, and then you had, like, a lid that slid over
02:20the calculator, so you didn't just press random numbers?
02:22How annoying when that lid didn't slide on.
02:24How annoying.
02:25I'm so frustrating.
02:26You were writing boobs with the calculator and stuff like that.
02:28It was on the tip of my tongue.
02:29I could tell.
02:30I was like, please finish, so I could say that.
02:31Yeah.
02:32Right, there you go.
02:33Well, I used to take the lid, and then just…
02:36Because you could put it on the back of the calculator as well, couldn't you?
02:38Just to hold it whilst you were…
02:40Anyway, I used to put my phone in the lid, so I'd just be on my phone.
02:43What?
02:43Great.
02:44I'm great at pub trivia.
02:45That is unreal.
02:46Like, pub quizzes or trivia.
02:48That is unreal.
02:48I did a game show the other day.
02:51Sorry, a whistle.
02:52I did a game show the other day.
02:55Where's this going?
02:55I just did this game show the other day, and it was all about music, and I had Shazam on
03:03your phone.
03:04On the phone.
03:04Jamie.
03:05Wait, wait, what?
03:05Yeah.
03:06Surely there's cameras on you, like, can they not see you?
03:08Yeah, it was televised.
03:09It was televised.
03:09Wait, what?
03:10Wait, so you did a game show that was televised?
03:12Yeah.
03:13Wow.
03:13And I used…
03:14I can't wait to see this.
03:15I shouldn't…
03:15Every single time, I lean down and go, oh, what is it?
03:18And I'm just looking at my Shazam, and I'm like, oh, it's Celine Dion, 1982.
03:22Pete, they must have thought you were a genius.
03:24I know, they did.
03:25Do they?
03:26They literally got a Rain Man in, like, a five-second Rain Man, and there's nothing,
03:30and then suddenly, there's everything.
03:31But what it's like, when you are doing your…
03:34When you're learning your scripts…
03:35Yes.
03:36…and you forget lines…
03:38Yes.
03:39…because it does happen, right?
03:40Yes.
03:40Even to the best of it.
03:42Yes.
03:42Yes.
03:43How do you…
03:44Do you then…
03:44Can you cheat somehow by learning your lines easier, if that makes sense?
03:49There are techniques to learning lines easier, yeah.
03:53You've got your phone in there, in the calculation case.
03:55Do you know what I did do to get into drama school?
03:57Again, I probably…
03:58Here we go.
03:59After you opened it up, like, yeah, I cheated once.
04:01Now there's, like, a series after series of cheating things going on.
04:03Really revealing everything you got to do.
04:05Yeah.
04:05It's exactly what we were talking about before the podcast.
04:08But I had this really long blonde hair, which I think I had when I first met you.
04:11Yeah.
04:12And it was just a great place to hide headphones.
04:16So…
04:17Sorry, how long was your hair?
04:18It was so long.
04:19Like, Rapunzel.
04:19No, no, no.
04:20I mean, listen, it just needs to be past the ears, right?
04:22But it was down to my hips.
04:23But I just used to slot some headphones into my ears, just like mini pods.
04:27Oh, sorry.
04:27I was like, imagine, because you were wearing big headphones.
04:29I was like, it's going to be quite big.
04:30My hair's just full of secrets.
04:33So, I had a Shakespeare monologue to get into drama school, which I wasn't…
04:38Come on, like, Shakespeare.
04:38What Shakespeare was it?
04:39What was it?
04:40Honestly, probably…
04:41Something epic.
04:43Like, much to do about nothing or something like that.
04:45I have no idea.
04:45I didn't learn it, so I don't know.
04:47Like, it went a little niche on it.
04:48I don't know.
04:49Like, just, you know, one of the smaller, like, niche ones.
04:52Yeah, a little bit niche.
04:53It's a little bit niche.
04:54That's what I'm about.
04:55No, no, no.
04:56It was probably something so obvious.
04:58Yeah.
04:58And I just, you know, I didn't have the time.
05:00I felt like I didn't have the time to learn it.
05:02So, I pre-recorded it.
05:04I went into the audition.
05:05I just pressed play.
05:06And I literally just recited what I was saying in my ear out loud.
05:11And they went…
05:12At the end, I was like, is this a joke?
05:14Because you can't hear yourself because you're only listening.
05:16I was going to say, you've got to keep up with your pace.
05:18It was way harder than I thought.
05:20Oh, yeah.
05:21If you lose pace, you've lost the line.
05:23You're fucked.
05:24Oh, my God.
05:25That would stress me out.
05:26That would really stress me out.
05:27That's way more stressful than learning it.
05:30You're like a secret agent or something.
05:31I think you should have gone to the FBI.
05:33No comment.
05:34But you must be very good at multitasking.
05:38Yeah, I am.
05:39I'm not very good at listening.
05:40But I feel like…
05:42But what is it?
05:44You must be in…
05:46Both your parents went to Oxford and Cambridge, right?
05:48Yeah.
05:48Yeah.
05:48So, you're incredibly smart in lots of ways.
05:52I don't think that's what that means, Jamie.
05:54After we've just discussed how she cheated her way through school.
05:57No, but I do think it is.
05:59Because I think also, when you get into character, right?
06:02Yeah.
06:02Especially for all of your roles and things you're doing.
06:04Do you…
06:05Are you one of the people that becomes the character?
06:07Or do you still see it as acting?
06:09No.
06:10The first one.
06:12You become the character.
06:13I don't necessarily.
06:14I'm not…
06:15Because that's juxtaposing to like just hearing it, right?
06:17Yes.
06:18I've never done it where I've been in character the whole time.
06:21I've spoken in an accent the entirety of a shoot.
06:26So, from day one to the last day.
06:28And actually, what's so crazy is that I did…
06:30Yes, I did a British show.
06:32Bristolian?
06:33No.
06:34Bristolian.
06:35Well, it's not…
06:36Sorry.
06:38I can't do accents.
06:39I can't have done that.
06:40I can only…
06:41That's the accent.
06:43Bristolian.
06:43No, no.
06:44It was very…
06:45Bristolian.
06:46Bristolian?
06:47I don't know what that is.
06:48Bristolian.
06:49I don't know.
06:49You worked in Bristol.
06:50Is that good?
06:51Bristolian is like…
06:53You taught it.
06:53You taught it like that.
06:54That's more West Country.
06:54No, yeah.
06:55That's West Country.
06:56Hello there, boy.
06:57Can anyone here actually do a Bristolian accent?
06:58Bristol.
06:59It's a bit like that.
07:00No, that's too far.
07:00That was a little bit closer than mine and Jamie's.
07:03Yeah, a little bit.
07:03Bristol.
07:04No, I think that was Irish.
07:07Bristol.
07:07Wait, hang on.
07:08So you've done shoots where you stay in the accent the entire time?
07:12Yes.
07:12Usually when I started doing American, but I did it once.
07:16This is funny.
07:17When I was doing an ITV show here, I had to do an RP accent.
07:21And so I stayed like that the entire time, but way more posh.
07:26And then, and even, it was probably about two years later, I was down in a pub, actually
07:31in Southwark.
07:31And I bumped into, I bumped into a castmate of mine who played my twin brother.
07:37And we had an entire conversation.
07:39He was kind of looking at me like that.
07:41And then just as our friends started leaving, he grabbed me and he went, what are you doing
07:44putting on that accent?
07:46And I went, what?
07:47And he went, why are you putting on an East London accent?
07:49I was like, what do you mean?
07:51And he was like, you never used to speak like that.
07:53And I was like, oh my gosh, you've never met me.
07:55Because you never changed it.
07:56Yeah, because I had never changed it.
07:59It was just for that isolated shoot.
08:01Is that a sort of thing as a technique or is that like a comfort thing?
08:08I don't find it very comfortable.
08:10I think it's just, it takes away an element of nervousness or like preparation for like
08:16just being on the day.
08:17Because then I start to think or I read my scripts in American.
08:20I was going to say, are your thoughts in the accent?
08:21They are.
08:23Yes, if I'm doing that, there'll be an American.
08:25Like I'll read things in American, which is very weird.
08:28That is, I always find like, especially with acting, it's so weird.
08:31You could say you're on set with, sorry.
08:34Hey, I'm just throwing you and me in a barrel together.
08:36You do this.
08:37You do this with every cast.
08:38Whether it's like a huge actor.
08:40You and I are a touring band.
08:42He's like, yeah, yeah, I can relate.
08:43I'm like, no, you can't.
08:45I'm just going to throw us in a barrel together.
08:47Let's go over it.
08:47Let's do it.
08:48As actors, we.
08:52That laugh was said a lot.
08:55Yeah, yeah.
08:57You know how to go.
08:58What am I done?
09:00But no, but I think that when you're on set with someone.
09:04Yeah.
09:05Like I know.
09:05But when you're on set.
09:06But you have been.
09:07You've had your own experiences.
09:08I have my own experiences.
09:08Yeah.
09:09For some reason, when you're playing a character, doesn't matter if you're playing yourself and
09:13a bit amped up or whatever it is.
09:14Yeah.
09:14There's a weird comfortability that you create.
09:17And I think with actors, they have it.
09:18When you're a character with someone on set, there's no social awkwardness.
09:23You become a child almost again in a certain way.
09:25Why does that happen?
09:27I think, you know, as artists, you're both putting yourself in a really vulnerable position.
09:32I mean, you have to be to act.
09:34Like you have to be comfortable with being vulnerable.
09:36And it's hard, you know, when there's a crew of 100, 200 people like, you know, on set with
09:41you.
09:41So I think there's just this unspoken like sense of safety within two performers that
09:48is, that just happens to be there.
09:50I've been fortunate enough to never have that experience where it just hasn't been there.
09:54Yeah.
09:55I don't know what it takes.
09:56I don't, I don't like consciously shift anything.
09:58It just seems to be like a very comfortable space.
10:01But if it wasn't like that, I don't think I could, I could act.
10:04Do you get, cause I mean, I get days where like I just have an off day and I struggle
10:08to be sociable, let alone like go and put on a full persona.
10:12Do you ever have days where you just can't really get into character?
10:15Absolutely.
10:17Yeah.
10:17Probably more, more of them.
10:18Is that like a writer's block?
10:20Wait, explain that.
10:21It's literally the worst.
10:22You're in your trailer going, Bristol.
10:26Bristolian.
10:26Fuck this, I'm out.
10:27But you do do that with accents.
10:29Bristolian.
10:30But you do have that with accents.
10:32Like you have keywords that will break you back into that accent.
10:36What's your Jamaican one?
10:39Biakan.
10:40Biakan.
10:41But something like that would be like a break word, which gets you into the accent.
10:45So like I've never done a Southern accent, but I have friends that have had to do
10:48like, you know, a really Southern American accent and they can swing into it.
10:52Come on.
10:52Come on.
10:52I can see you about.
10:53You had a little twinge.
10:54I know.
10:54You had a little twinge.
10:55You're like, good.
10:57Give it a go.
10:57I could be on this podcast.
11:02Give it a big old go, Johnny.
11:04I said South.
11:05I said South, Damien.
11:07Why are you lifting your leg up as well?
11:10He's getting into character.
11:11I hurt my arm this morning.
11:12I can't quite get to it.
11:13You don't have a break word.
11:14You just like pull your leg up and you're like, all right.
11:17Or a break movement.
11:18But I think, but what is with you, you've kind of been sort of front and center of like
11:24lights, camera, action from a really, you, you were, you were a model at the age of 13.
11:30Yeah.
11:31That is wild.
11:32Well, when I look back at it now, it freaks the fuck out of me.
11:35But when I was 13, I thought I was an adult.
11:38How does that happen?
11:39Let's explain it.
11:40Cause that's really young to make a decision.
11:41Like I'm going to go model.
11:43It's really young.
11:4413.
11:44Yeah.
11:45I was just really up myself.
11:46No, I'm joking.
11:47I should be a model.
11:49Fucking hard.
11:50Yeah.
11:50It's not like she was like, right, I'm going to go do this.
11:52You usually get scouted.
11:54That's kind of how it goes.
11:55Not in my world, baby.
11:57Wait, really?
11:58I honestly was like, I am a fucking model.
12:01I thought you were talking about you.
12:03No, it was me.
12:04Honestly, I swear to God, I'm not telling you this.
12:06I told you this when I was walking down the road.
12:07I was walking down the road.
12:09I think I've told this story before.
12:10I was walking down the road and Abercrombie and Fitch had just started, right?
12:13Oh, brilliant.
12:13Yeah, with the topless dudes.
12:15Yeah, the clothing store, topless dudes.
12:16It had just come to London.
12:17It was big in America.
12:18And I was like, and these-
12:20So what were you doing there?
12:20Get ready for it.
12:21Yeah, you're like this.
12:22Get ready for this.
12:23Anyway, I was walking down Kessian High Street.
12:25I got pulled over by these two guys.
12:26They said, you're the look we're looking for.
12:28And I was like, for what?
12:29They went for Abercrombie and Fitch.
12:30And I was like, damn straight.
12:31This is it.
12:32Anyway, they said, when you come to the Abercrombie and Fitch opening party, it's going to be great.
12:36You can meet all the people there and then you can come work in the store.
12:38I was like, great.
12:39Went to the party.
12:43I was pretty small.
12:44I was like, everyone here is really quite tall.
12:47They're giants.
12:48Yeah.
12:48All really tall.
12:49I'm like 16.
12:50This is weird.
12:51Anyway, went to my first day of Abercrombie and Fitch as a job.
12:54And I was like, I'm going to be on the front of the door.
12:55I'm going to have my top off.
12:56This is going to be great.
12:57They put me in the stock room and I wasn't allowed to use the stairs.
13:02I had to use the back entrance.
13:03But you were still naked.
13:04I was never allowed to go on the shop floor.
13:07I wasn't allowed.
13:07I was like, what the fuck?
13:09I was in the stock room.
13:10Is it the stock room with white walls and that bright white lighting?
13:14Did you travel with me?
13:15How did you guess?
13:16I worked there as well.
13:18You guys might have crossed paths.
13:19But Jamie, I also thought the same.
13:21She was front.
13:21No, no, no.
13:22I thought I was going to be front of house.
13:25I was dead excited.
13:26All my friends thought it was the coolest thing ever.
13:29And I got there.
13:30They made me cashier.
13:32Put me behind the tears.
13:33At least you're in the shop.
13:34And I have to say every time.
13:36Well, you wouldn't know this because you weren't on the phone.
13:38Yeah, every time I saw money.
13:39No, I had to say every time.
13:40Hey, welcome to Aria, Cromie & Fitch.
13:42Be sure to check out Gilly Hicks at Westfield Shopping Centre.
13:45Which was their other chain, right?
13:47Were you in a hostage situation as well?
13:49That was just someone underneath the tip.
13:51Someone underneath the tip.
13:52Essentially, yeah.
13:53So, hey.
13:54So, you did modelling ages then.
13:56You got scouted by Models 1?
13:57Yes.
13:58Well, actually, no.
13:59I approached them.
14:01I honestly, for a second, I was like, that is a big move.
14:03But, were your parents a bit like, that seems like young to go into that.
14:09I thought I was crazy.
14:10They thought it was an aeroplane model company to create toy aeroplane models.
14:17When Models 1 called my home line, I almost said hotline.
14:20When they called my home line and spoke to my parents, because obviously I'd said I was
14:25under 16 or under 18.
14:27I got home and my dad was just at the front door and he was like, who's Models 1?
14:31What?
14:31Yeah.
14:32I was like, wait, what?
14:33That is wild.
14:34Yeah.
14:35And I was like, they called you?
14:36And my mum was like, yeah, they want to see you tomorrow in London.
14:39And I was like, oh my gosh.
14:40That's exciting.
14:42It blew my mind.
14:42I thought my entire life, well, my life did change, but, you know.
14:45But is that because you always wanted to be in the entertainment industry?
14:49I always wanted to be an actor.
14:50And I wanted, we didn't, we, it was, acting is expensive, like acting classes.
14:56And we just weren't in the financial position to, for me to go to, you know, drama classes
15:01really, or acting school.
15:02So I just knew I needed to fund it.
15:04And I hate, fucking hated my paper round.
15:07So it was a great alternative for me.
15:10Dude, that's a vibe.
15:11I had no idea about that.
15:12Thanks, man.
15:13Hang on.
15:13So you, so you really wanted, firstly, acting, so becoming an actor is expensive?
15:19For me, well, yeah.
15:20I mean, everyone I know always says how expensive it is, you know, because there's not many routes
15:25to doing it.
15:27So it all just seems super expensive.
15:29Yeah.
15:29So, so you had this vision of, this is what you wanted to do.
15:32It's, it's strange, right?
15:33Because a lot of people, when you're younger, you say, I want to be an actor or whatever.
15:36And people don't really go into that.
15:38But you had this like laser focus where this is what you, I remember the first time we met,
15:43you were like, yeah.
15:44Please don't.
15:44Yeah.
15:46No, it's all right.
15:47Go on.
15:48What were you going to say?
15:48Immediately, we need to talk about that.
15:51She, Wallace, trying to get off of me.
15:53Like, it's just awkward.
15:55Now the truth, Jamie.
15:57She just tried to get off of me.
15:59I was like, Wallace, look, I don't fancy you.
16:04Now the truth, Jamie.
16:06Come on.
16:06I think what happened was we were in a nightclub and there was this like cute girl.
16:10And I was like, I'm on Mainland Shels.
16:13She's obviously going to fancy me.
16:15I think she was literally like, just fuck off.
16:18Was it something along those lines that were?
16:21And then I messaged you the whole time, I feel.
16:23Yeah.
16:24And then you, I think, not stalkering, like not in a stalker way.
16:27In a very sweet way, you followed me to my Uber.
16:30Did I?
16:30Made sure I got in okay.
16:31We'll call it that.
16:32Yeah.
16:32You thought that was kind.
16:33It was definitely stalking.
16:34No, it was very sweet.
16:35Did I do that?
16:36Yeah.
16:36Then I drove the Uber.
16:37I think you were my Uber driver.
16:39It was crazy.
16:41Did I do that?
16:42Did I do that?
16:42Yeah.
16:42I think you were just making sure I got in the car.
16:44Okay.
16:45No, I don't.
16:45I think I was definitely hoping to kiss you or something as we were going to the Uber.
16:49And you were literally.
16:49You were like, wind down.
16:50I was like, no, I'm joking.
16:53Wind it down.
16:53You were like this on the door handle.
16:56I was like.
16:57Oh my God.
16:58That's so.
16:59No, no, no.
17:00You were lovely.
17:00What I was going to say is that you were laser focused into this industry.
17:05And the first time you met, I remember you saying that you were an actor.
17:07And I think what happens when people are younger, they have this sort of vision of wanting to do it.
17:11And then they kind of start stepping into the industry and they realize how difficult and hard and competitive and all these different things are.
17:17But you have still sort of pushed yourself through that, through thick and thin.
17:21Yeah.
17:22And, and, and people, people go onto your Instagram, right?
17:25And they will see you and they will see a beautiful person who is doing these TV shows and these movies and things like that.
17:31And actually underneath it all, what you realize is you were fricking grafted for like a long ass time to, to, to get where you are.
17:39And people just think things are overnight success.
17:42Yeah, they do.
17:43And they're totally not.
17:44But I just want to hear what you feel about all of that.
17:46Yeah, no, you're, you're absolutely right.
17:48And when I look back, you know, 13 was over 10 years ago now.
17:52And, and I have really worked and focused, you know, pretty much every single day in the last decade to do this.
17:59So yeah, it's, it's not an overnight thing at all, but, but you're right.
18:02It does.
18:02I guess it can look like that for a lot of actors or artists or musicians or whatever.
18:07Do you think because of the way that you look, you could be typecast?
18:10Absolutely.
18:10That's one of the reasons I cut my hair.
18:12Really?
18:13Yeah.
18:14What?
18:14So you weren't typecast?
18:15I was fed up.
18:16What would you be typecast as, if you had?
18:19I was constantly going for like, I mean, first world problems, but like Zac Efron's girlfriend in movies and stuff or the girl next door.
18:28And I just wanted more, absolute nightmare.
18:30I just wanted more depth though, to a character.
18:32Like that wasn't the job that I wanted to do.
18:34You know, that wasn't, yeah.
18:35But, but that's, that's a, I suppose that's a risky, firstly, I think, look to a lot of people, people would jump at that opportunity, but also, you know, I remember Johnny Depp.
18:46He had this amazing interview, right?
18:48And it's Johnny Depp, right?
18:49But he was always saying he was always being pushed towards a certain character all the time.
18:53This like, this like pretty boy character who was this and who was that.
18:57And he just kept saying no, no, no, no to all these opportunities.
19:00And a lot of his friends were like, you're crazy.
19:02We're not getting work and you're being offered these things.
19:04He cut himself a mohawk.
19:06Oh gosh, yeah.
19:07But you know what I mean?
19:08And it's Johnny Depp, he's a bit of a weird dude.
19:11But, but I think with, with your situation, I admire the fact that you had the, the balls to do that.
19:18Because a lot of people wouldn't, they would take the first opportunity and just do that.
19:23And you're going, actually, no, what I want to do is have more depth in the character.
19:26And you actually start to make a choice with your acting career rather than someone else making a choice for you.
19:32Yeah.
19:33Is that important when it comes to acting?
19:35Yeah, I think so.
19:37You know, I think it's so easy for people to kind of determine your route or how they see you and try and choose that career path for you or those roles for you.
19:47And I think it's really important to, you know, make it clear, make your vision clear and make sure that you guys are on the same page and aligned with those visions.
19:55I guess that must happen quite a lot in the industry where like the powers that be, the guys that open the doors, they're like, you know, they'll see a new actress and they'll go, right.
20:02Like, she fits this.
20:04We're just going to push her into that direction.
20:07And then the actress then just doesn't get to explore like the shit that she wants to do.
20:1020 years later, she's like.
20:12Yeah.
20:12Well, look at like Matthew McConaughey, for example.
20:15He was doing rom-com after rom-com for such a huge part of his career.
20:18And they were offering, you know, him millions to just to do these.
20:23Fool's Gold was great.
20:24Yeah.
20:24I mean, it was great.
20:25But he just got to a point where he was like, no, like I want to, I want more depth to these roles or whatever.
20:30I don't know.
20:31But he said, I think he said no for like five years to every single script that came in.
20:36And then eventually he said, all right, all right, all right.
20:38All right.
20:39Ah, there he is.
20:41There's always one.
20:42But I suppose, how do you deal with an industry that is so full of uncertainty?
20:50And I think that's the hardest thing, right?
20:52You have to, you're self-employed.
20:54We were talking about before that, you know, and we've known each other for a long time.
20:59And you seem really busy at the moment and you are busy, but you have to take time at some point to say, no, I don't want to do that.
21:06But in a world of uncertainty, it's very hard to do that.
21:08So how do you juggle that?
21:09Yeah.
21:09Well, I haven't.
21:10This is going to be a guinea pig new trial because I've literally, I've never said, okay, I want to take a period of time off for myself before.
21:19So this summer will be the first time I do that.
21:21And I just want to take a couple of months off.
21:23You know, I want to be in London.
21:24I want to see my friends.
21:26I miss my family.
21:27You know, I keep missing things that are important in life.
21:32You know, weddings, christenings, births, funerals, all kinds of things for my job.
21:37And I think it gets to a point after 10 years where I just, you know, have to rethink what's important to me in my life.
21:45And that's not prioritizing that overacting in any way, but it's just saying, okay, do you know what?
21:49I'm going to have a healthier balance.
21:50Yeah, that's a, that's a big try.
21:53The hardest thing to do is to do that though.
21:54So hard.
21:55And you suddenly get to, yeah, it's so freaking hard.
21:57And you get to a point, my point was when I just had total burnout.
22:01And I spoke about this, this to you, right?
22:03I had this, I had this moment where suddenly I was just like not enjoying anything.
22:07Yeah.
22:07And I was like, what, why am I not enjoying anything?
22:10Like even this podcast I remember doing and it was, it was sort of, my, my weirdly came out as sort of a really bad time, but a great time.
22:16It was at the beginning of COVID.
22:18So I had that time to just chill and there was nothing.
22:21Literally the perfect time.
22:22Oh my God, isn't it?
22:23Dude, I remember, I was walking with, yeah, yeah, yeah.
22:26You're just coming out.
22:27Yeah, you're literally.
22:29Yeah, you've literally just come out of COVID and you're like, right, I need some time off.
22:34But I remember, you won't remember this, I was walking with you and we had just shot something.
22:40I don't know what we had done.
22:41And I was walking with you and I was telling you that I was just feeling, I was like, I just don't feel normal.
22:45I don't feel normal.
22:46And then that slowly, slowly, slowly.
22:48And I just kept working, working, working, working, working.
22:50And it led to this moment where I just had no pleasure or no, I just didn't enjoy anything.
22:54Yeah.
22:54And you get to a place like that because you just push, and it's so true.
22:58We, we go, like where, we met, what, 10 years ago, maybe, whatever it is.
23:02Probably, yeah.
23:02Probably 10 years ago.
23:03Where has that time gone?
23:05I don't know.
23:05Dude, it just goes.
23:06It's so scary.
23:07I literally have no idea.
23:09And, and, and we don't capture these moments.
23:11We, we, like.
23:11Mahiki.
23:12Yeah, Mahiki.
23:13Was it, was it?
23:14Mahiki's no longer.
23:16It's been, it's gone now, I think.
23:18I think so.
23:18I'm not sure.
23:19Do you just go and sit in the building occasionally?
23:20Yeah, yeah.
23:21Reminisces.
23:21Light a few candles.
23:23Get one of those chests out and piss in it.
23:25But it, but it does, it does go so fast.
23:29And I think a lot of people, especially in the acting industry, especially in like Hollywood
23:33and places like that, it's lonely sometimes as well.
23:37Can you, can you talk, do you get lonely?
23:39Yeah, yes, I do.
23:41This is only something that I've recently come to admit.
23:44But.
23:44Why didn't you admit it before?
23:46Because I didn't realize.
23:48Really?
23:48Yeah.
23:49And it's, it's strange because when you're filming something, you get, you know, like you
23:55guys are both experienced.
23:56You're with the same cast every single day.
23:58You get so close.
23:59Like they're your family.
24:00I never got close.
24:01All right.
24:02Reminisce really profound moment.
24:04It's always one, isn't there?
24:05It's a really profound moment.
24:06Sorry, Karen.
24:07Just a weird voice coming to the side.
24:09I'm not lonely.
24:09Not to me.
24:10Yeah, not to me.
24:11Speak yourself.
24:12You're in an ensemble, right?
24:13Well, well, it's just like a consistent, and I think everyone in the industry, you know,
24:17that, that works on different projects can relate to this, but you know, you get very
24:21close to a group of people that you spend a lot of time with for a short period of time
24:25and then the job's over and you never see them again.
24:27But that just happens a lot of the time.
24:29So it's that constant getting close to people and then like moving on and then getting close
24:33to a new group again and moving on.
24:35And, and I used to travel a lot with, you know, my manager or whoever.
24:39And just more recently, I haven't like, you know, I've been traveling solo a lot and I
24:45have a dog now who comes everywhere with me, but for this year, he hasn't been coming
24:49with me.
24:50And it just, it hit me for the first time.
24:52I was like, maybe I personify my dog a bit, but I was like, oh, like I'm alone.
24:56Like I'm doing all, you know, in hotels and non-flights and stuff like, I really am doing
25:01that alone.
25:02And it's just, it, for the first time I was like, wow, actually this could be a really
25:07lonely existence if I didn't have the correct people around me, i.e. my friends, family,
25:12team, you know.
25:13Yeah.
25:13And it seems glamorous, right?
25:15Because you're going from hotels to different things to sets and stuff like that.
25:18It sounds glamorous.
25:19But it's actually not.
25:20And when you pull back that, it's so funny.
25:22I remember this.
25:23I remember like doing all the shows that I've done.
25:25You, you, you go to like the set or whatever and you're like, oh my God.
25:28And then you get put in a green room and the green room is like alone.
25:32Yeah.
25:32Alone.
25:33It's got like a kettle in it.
25:34And yeah.
25:35A few snacks.
25:35A few snacks, like one channel.
25:37And you're like, this is low.
25:39Yeah.
25:40And you, and like, I remember the first time I would like, I ever did a show, I would record
25:44my name on the door.
25:45It'd be like, Jamie.
25:46I'd be like, oh my God.
25:47And I wouldn't go in.
25:48Because then you're alone.
25:50You just stay in the hallway, right?
25:51You're like, hey.
25:52Hey everyone.
25:52Hi.
25:53Hey, what's up?
25:54Yeah.
25:54But so you suddenly realized that you felt a bit lonely.
25:58Yeah.
25:59And again, only recently, or even just, you know, you have like a few hours in between scenes
26:02sometimes, like just in the trailer alone.
26:05And you know, I think it's because I've been on a different time zone recently.
26:10So I've been in Thailand for the majority of this year shooting there.
26:13And it's just, it's 12 actually here.
26:15I don't know.
26:15I think it's seven hours ahead, but it's just like, you know, there's just a huge part of
26:20your day where no one's awake.
26:22None of your British friends or American like team or friends or whatever are up.
26:26And you're just like, like, what do you do?
26:29It's kind of good to have that, I think, for like a short period of time.
26:32Like, you were quite like that, wouldn't you?
26:34Well, I had to do it.
26:35I had to do it a little bit.
26:36Oh, cut me off in the world.
26:39Screw mobile phones.
26:40Yeah.
26:40Screw the world, man.
26:41Are you like that?
26:42Yeah, he is like that.
26:42No, no.
26:43I like that.
26:44I got it.
26:44Can I say what you said to me?
26:46He was like, I went, I was like, what did you do this weekend?
26:48I was like, I rented a camper van that you can live in.
26:50And I drove to Dorset.
26:52It was fucking banging.
26:53That's amazing.
26:53Yeah, it was so sick.
26:55I loved it.
26:55Yeah.
26:56I feel like the loser.
26:57But no.
26:58Yeah, I love it too.
26:59We did more like this and making TikToks all weekend.
27:00What are you up to this weekend?
27:01Do you want to get a little camper?
27:03Sorry, making TikToks.
27:04Yeah.
27:05No, what I was going to say.
27:06Try and stay relevant.
27:08Please be relevant.
27:09While you're going to actually enjoy the earth.
27:11Oh God, how do I stay young?
27:13Just drinking.
27:14That's trending.
27:15Yeah, just drinking Botox.
27:16Are you going to cover Botox?
27:20I'll have it.
27:23No, go on.
27:23I can't remember what I was going to say now.
27:24Oh yeah.
27:25No, like having forced alone time, right?
27:27You actually just have to sit on your own and you've just got to like deal with your own
27:30thoughts.
27:31It's actually kind of useful because it's almost like a, it's like self-therapy.
27:34That's what I found anyway.
27:36I was like, oh shit.
27:36Actually, I haven't really thought about that because I've just been busy and talking to
27:40people and like doing shit.
27:41Yeah.
27:41And suddenly you're like, hmm, this is intense.
27:44No, you're right.
27:45And you know, there, there is for me anyway, like a huge aspect of that, that I love, you
27:49know, I can work out or, or, you know, have therapy or work on myself or whatever, but
27:53it's those.
27:54And if I'm really busy, like I'm in the shooting every day or whatever, that's great.
27:57Cause I can focus on my job and everything.
27:59But when I'm not in that much and I've got, I don't know, three days in the middle of between
28:03Monday to Friday off, I'm like, all right, what trouble can I get into this week?
28:07Yeah.
28:07Like this naughty streak inside me just goes off.
28:10But, but okay.
28:10But maybe this is, maybe this is too personal question and feel free not to answer.
28:13Uh, dating game.
28:15How, how is the dating game at the moment?
28:17Yeah.
28:18It does that keep you, does that be surely with that, then, you know, people must be
28:22asking you on dates all the time.
28:23So that kind of maybe in a sense fills a void.
28:26What am I trying to say?
28:27I don't know what I'm trying to say.
28:29How's the dating game at the moment?
28:30How is the dating game?
28:31Are you dating?
28:33Are you dating?
28:34It's complicated.
28:35Okay.
28:35Not your Facebook response.
28:39God.
28:39No, you don't have to answer.
28:40You don't have to answer.
28:41But I suppose that that's also the tricky thing is when you're traveling so much, how
28:46the hell do you even, let alone keeping in contact with friends, right?
28:50That, that's pretty tricky.
28:51Keeping like relationships going and dating.
28:54That's like a nightmare time.
28:56I'm, I'm with my girlfriend and I still find it hard to like have like time together.
29:02And you guys live together.
29:02And we live together.
29:03Yeah.
29:04Yeah.
29:04You know what I mean?
29:05And I feel like that when you're traveling around, that's, would you even get more lonely
29:09because you're traveling around all the time?
29:10Yeah.
29:11I mean, right now for me, I found that it's easier for me to kind of date someone in the
29:18industry because they either have a similar lifestyle or they get it.
29:23You know, that's not to say that I wouldn't date outside the industry.
29:26I absolutely would.
29:27But that's just kind of how I found recently with time zone changes and time difference.
29:32differences and different schedules and everything like that.
29:35I just find it easier to kind of date someone who understands that or is on a similar phase
29:39to me.
29:40Do you, do you've mentioned that?
29:41Do you, do you do therapy?
29:42Yeah.
29:42Oh my God.
29:43So I, I love therapy.
29:44I need, I need it weekly.
29:46Otherwise I'm like, thank you so much.
29:48Explain why, why you like it so much.
29:50What does it do for you?
29:52Firstly, I think, I think therapy should be accessible to absolutely everyone.
29:56Absolutely.
29:57And I think it would have saved, you know, I can only speak from personal experience,
30:00but I think it would have saved me a lot of time and other things if I had started therapy,
30:06you know, earlier.
30:07And I don't know whether that's because there was a stigma around it, you know, say 10 years
30:11ago or, or it can be quite expensive.
30:13I don't know.
30:14Um, but I absolutely love therapy.
30:16It's, it's healed me in so many ways and I've just, you know, it just helps me learn
30:21so much more about myself every day.
30:23Do you think you've become more empathetic towards others?
30:25100%.
30:26That's my big thing.
30:27Yeah.
30:27I never gave a shit about people.
30:29You are, you are a lot nicer these days.
30:31Do you think I am?
30:32You used to be a massive arsehole.
30:33Massive.
30:34Yeah, absolute twat.
30:35Yeah, I really was.
30:36You were horrible.
30:36I really, I really was.
30:39I can't imagine that.
30:40Oh, I really was.
30:42Ow.
30:43Yeah, that was my ego hitting you.
30:48I really was.
30:49For me, um, therapy was, uh, the greatest thing because it made me realize not everyone thinks
30:55the way I think.
30:55And I think that a lot of people don't realize that is that people go into therapy because
30:59they go, okay, I'm depressed.
31:01I'm anxious.
31:01I'm OCD.
31:02I'm this and all these different things, which is great.
31:04And you learn how to deal with those things, whatever that may be.
31:06And I think acceptance is the coolest thing that anyone can do in life.
31:09But what therapy then does manifest itself into is you then really understanding yourself
31:15and then understanding others.
31:16So realizing that actually, if you're having a good day, that could mean that someone else
31:19is having a bad day and you can understand that.
31:22And you're not just going, well, why aren't they feeling not pointing you?
31:24It's because you're having a great day.
31:26You're having a great day.
31:27He was until the spine.
31:28Yeah.
31:28Because I, this guy, I always tell this guy to go to therapy and he never does.
31:31I have been.
31:31You went once and he bailed on it.
31:33No, no.
31:34Turned up drunk.
31:34What are you doing?
31:36Yeah.
31:36It was, I got banned.
31:38Yeah.
31:38Like, oh, you want to go on a date?
31:40I think, I think I'm too much of a, an empath.
31:44I don't know if that's the correct word, but like, I feel so much for what they're feeling
31:48that I almost don't want to like fully dive on.
31:51But yeah, I'm like, I don't really want to like, okay, you have a good day.
31:53Like, I'm just like, yeah, I hold shit back.
31:55So I don't think it's very useful.
31:56You sit down and you're like, talk to me.
31:57Yeah.
31:58I'm like, come on, you're looking a little bit stressed.
32:00I'll be your soundboard.
32:00Yeah.
32:00Literally.
32:01So I don't think it works that well.
32:03I know what you mean.
32:04Hey, what is, we got to the end of part one there.
32:06Oh, great.
32:07Yeah, dude.
32:07That went so quick.
32:08Yeah.
32:09Hey, hey.
32:10Wow.
32:11Wow.
32:12I feel like we've just had a round in the pub.
32:13Yeah, that's exactly it.
32:15I love it.
32:16Talking of rounds in the pub, we like to leave our listeners on a cliffhanger.
32:20Oh.
32:20Yeah.
32:21So, what does it have to do with rounds in the pub?
32:23I don't know.
32:23I just, it's a terrible segue.
32:26Yeah, okay.
32:26Well, fuck you.
32:27You did better segue.
32:28No.
32:29All right.
32:30Talking about rounds in the pub, we like to leave our listeners on a cliffhanger.
32:34So I thought a nice cliffhanger would be is that you can,
32:37give us an insight into the new series that you've just shot.
32:44Sure.
32:44Yeah.
32:45Yeah.
32:45Is that a good insight?
32:46Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
32:47I'm shooting a Netflix show right now.
32:49Oh, God.
32:50Called Sex Life.
32:51Oh, my God.
32:52I'm not sure if you've heard of it.
32:53Oh, my God.
32:54Oh, my God.
32:55I'm going to play a super cool character called Gigi.
32:58Oh, God.
32:59Gigi.
32:59Yeah, here we go.
33:00All right.
33:01Yeah, cover up your...
33:02Cover up your genitals.
33:04Your bonus.
33:04Yes, we're coming back in a second.
33:06See you in part two, everybody.
33:08Hello, everyone.
33:22Welcome back to part two of Private Parts, the podcast where nothing is off limits.
33:27I just went a bit camp there as I was thinking.
33:29I don't know.
33:29Nothing is off limits.
33:31I love it.
33:32Can I teach you that?
33:34Yeah?
33:34Hello, everyone.
33:35Hey.
33:35You had quite a saucy dream the other night, didn't you?
33:37Saucy.
33:38Saucy.
33:39You can't bring this up.
33:40You spoke about it on this.
33:42Nothing's off limits.
33:43Go to our bonus episode if you want it.
33:45Your boner episode.
33:46I don't know what I'm going.
33:48I had a dream the other night.
33:49Don't worry.
33:50I've heard.
33:50No, yeah.
33:51Have you heard it?
33:52I had a dream about...
33:52At school?
33:53Yeah.
33:54No.
33:54I had a dream about me at school.
33:55I had to do my research.
33:57You listened to the podcast where, yeah, my friend was giving me a handjob.
33:59Yes, Jamie.
34:00Which friend was it?
34:02Not going to say.
34:04Quite a good friend of mine.
34:05Is he actually?
34:05Yeah.
34:06He was at school with me.
34:07He was like chasing me and I was like, catch me.
34:09He might.
34:10Yeah.
34:11And I was in the dream.
34:13It was one of the dreams where I was like waking up and going, fall back to sleep.
34:15It's great.
34:16Best man job I've ever had.
34:19You have to like try and muster it back up, don't you?
34:22And then, mom, get out.
34:24What?
34:25She's not in the dream.
34:26Oh my gosh.
34:27Back it.
34:28She's like, Jamie, time for school.
34:31But sex, have you had sex dreams?
34:33Have you had a sex dream?
34:34I mean, yeah.
34:36Yes.
34:37It's all I dream about.
34:40I'm like a teenage boy.
34:42But listen, your new TV show you just shot.
34:46Yes.
34:46Sex Life on Netflix.
34:47Yeah.
34:48Dude, you're killing the game at the moment.
34:51Like, what have you shot recently?
34:53Okay, so let's talk about the things that you've been involved with.
34:55Sure.
34:56Okay, you've done Batwoman.
34:57Yeah.
34:58That's like, that's a huge franchise.
35:01Yeah, that was so fun.
35:02So how does it work?
35:03So your agent phones you up and go, you're killing it at the moment.
35:07Do you get excited now about these things?
35:09Absolutely.
35:10Is that like a sort of real dream come true type thing?
35:13Yeah, that kind of stuff.
35:14I love that kind of stuff.
35:16I seem to have done like more superhero stuff in, I think I manifested it too much when I
35:21was young and then I just kept getting superhero genre.
35:24I was like, damn, I really need to do some Netflix rom-coms.
35:28But that's amazing because that's like a, I mean, firstly, to get into a franchise like
35:36that, that's hard.
35:37Yeah.
35:38And do you have to go and audition for it?
35:40How does it work?
35:41Yeah, you know, I did audition and I thought after the Superman show that I did that I could
35:45only be in the Superman category.
35:48And so I never thought it was going to happen.
35:50And I still auditioned and I still went up for it.
35:53And then I actually didn't get the role originally.
35:56Um, and then they called me up, uh, nine months later for Batman phoned.
36:03He's like, you got the job.
36:07They were just like, Hey, like we, we want Kate Kane and we think that you're perfect.
36:13Amazing.
36:13Wow.
36:14Are you still interested?
36:15Are you still available?
36:15And I was like, absolutely.
36:17I mean, there was a bit more than that.
36:18I had to, I had to resend off like another tape and stuff.
36:20Really?
36:21But it was kind of, you know, power phrasing.
36:23It was kind of like that.
36:24When, when, when things like that, when you, you, you go to, they say, right, you're going
36:27to go and audition for that.
36:28So you walk into, is it what I imagine is you walk into a room and there's a whole bunch
36:31of other actors there and you have to then walk in.
36:33Is it work like that?
36:34Or do you have some slots in a way?
36:36Yeah, you do have slots.
36:37You know, it's kind of crazy because in the last, since COVID it's changed so much that
36:41I used to walk into an audition in London or in, especially in LA and there would be 20
36:46other girls who look exactly like me who actually have real American accents and yeah.
36:53And it used to really kind of throw me and yeah, you have a slot.
36:57Um, but now it's, it's kind of all tapes now because I guess, cause of COVID, I guess it's
37:03more convenient.
37:04Way more convenient.
37:04Yeah.
37:05So it's just an audition tape.
37:06So you just take with someone that like Jamie was saying earlier, I get obsessive and I'm
37:10a bit of a perfectionist.
37:11Cause you can watch it back.
37:13Obviously going.
37:14Yeah.
37:14Whereas the only thing I will say is that in a room, a lot of screen tests are still in
37:18person, but in a room, like you vibe, like the energy, like it's make or break.
37:23It's like a moment.
37:24Yeah.
37:24Like you ride on the, just, just the adrenaline, man.
37:27Like you just, and you just don't get that in a tape.
37:30But also I think, I think that's also, it's a, it's a positive, but also I can imagine it's
37:34not a benefit because, um, you, you, you meet humans, there are other humans, right?
37:40That's the people who are casting you.
37:42And so when you chat to them, they get a vibe of who you are and you can always charm people
37:47all over where now you don't have that ability.
37:50Now it's just, if I ever had that, we'll go with that.
37:53I'm just thinking about me when I go into acting.
37:55But do you get nervous when you do it or no?
37:57Do you ever?
37:57I still get nervous for tapes.
37:59We, we, we did a tape the other day and the mic, the mic was too sensitive and you could
38:05hear my heart pounding.
38:08Wait, hang on.
38:08So the, so you, you could hear your heartbeat on it.
38:12Yeah.
38:13Do you know what?
38:13We were watching it back.
38:14We'd already sent it off and we were watching it back.
38:16Well, we'd watched it back the first time, hadn't noticed.
38:18And then we watched it back again.
38:20And all of a sudden, halfway through, just as it's getting to an emotional point, because
38:23your heart, because you're in it, right?
38:24Well, we could hit, we could just, go faster and harder and harder.
38:28That would add to the drama.
38:29That would like, it's like, we've got a soundtrack to this.
38:31It was actually a note.
38:32It was a note that they gave back to us saying we loved it because we, we could tell
38:36she was in there and I actually got the job.
38:37It was real.
38:37Yeah.
38:38I got the job.
38:38Yeah.
38:39I don't know if that's the reason I got it.
38:40Every time you shoot, you've got to have, I've been doing it ever since.
38:42Yeah.
38:43Yeah.
38:43Make a heartbeat.
38:46So perhaps, okay.
38:48So to any, any budding actors out there who were going out there to try and do the same
38:52thing.
38:53Yeah.
38:53Are you saying-
38:54Sniff a ton of jacks up.
38:55Yeah.
38:55Sniff a ton of jacks up.
38:56Get your labia on your heart.
38:58But are you saying that like being authentic, I suppose, is the way, obviously acting, but
39:03being authentic.
39:04And how do you be authentic, but also act at the same time?
39:08You don't try and act.
39:09So you try and find the truth in the character or you personify, you know, if I'm seeing someone,
39:15a really good mate that I love, you know, if that's what the scene is, I envisage a really
39:20good mate that I love.
39:20And I share that scene with them.
39:22And I think how I would be.
39:23And I take elements of that character that are similar to my traits and I emphasize them.
39:28You have to be incredibly emotionally intelligent.
39:31You have to be very, yeah, emotionally available and emotionally conscious.
39:35But which, which is dangerous.
39:36Yeah.
39:37Tell me about it.
39:38Yeah, because that opens yourself up to vulnerability within yourself.
39:41Yes.
39:42Well, they say take from scars and not wounds.
39:46Wow.
39:46Okay.
39:47Which is something that took me nearly a decade.
39:50Can you expand that?
39:51Can you expand that a bit?
39:52What do you mean more like that?
39:54So draw from wounds as in draw from things that you've healed from that, you know, that
40:00still reminds you of the way that you felt then and you can still connect to and pull
40:03from, as opposed to, sorry, pull from a scar.
40:08So something that's healed.
40:09So something that you can still pull from and then healthily move forward from rather
40:14than, you know, wound, an open wound, which is still raw, which you haven't quite had enough
40:19therapy from, yeah, or, you know, it hasn't been enough, a long period of time, because
40:24sometimes if you do, I find anyway, if I pull from a wound, I find it hard to, you
40:29know, stitch back up.
40:30Like I can leave set and it's still thinking.
40:32You nail the scene.
40:33Oh, okay.
40:34So this is the bad thing is you absolutely nail the scene because it's raw.
40:38It's real.
40:39So, so sometimes, occasionally I'll do it on purpose and I'll say, you know, I'm just
40:43going to have a shit night after this, but like, it's going to work.
40:46But I think sometimes you pull that secret weapon.
40:48Yeah, but they do say not to, because it can be a bit dangerous.
40:51Wow.
40:52But that's so interesting.
40:53So, so you're, cause I, I, we all have scars and we all have wounds, but I, I, I would find
41:00it tricky to remember what a wound felt like, unless it's a real deep wound, a scar would
41:05feel like, and if it was a really deep scar, I wouldn't be able to draw emotion from saying
41:10I've healed.
41:11You have to try and put yourself back in that place, Jamie.
41:13So just say it was something that happened to you when you were nine.
41:15When you lost your, when you lost your kind of card.
41:17I was in the swimming pool with that teacher.
41:20Well, there you go.
41:21You have to connect to your inner child.
41:26Jake, are you kidding there?
41:29I'm not.
41:32You're a very fast swimmer.
41:34Where did you learn?
41:36Butterfly out of the pool.
41:37No, hang on.
41:39So you, you put yourself back in that position.
41:42Yeah.
41:42You, you have to heal.
41:44Like you're in a child.
41:45Yeah.
41:45Well, yeah, it is.
41:47It is.
41:47That is so dangerous.
41:48Maybe.
41:49That's why I go to therapy, Jamie.
41:51Yeah.
41:51No, I can imagine.
41:52But I just find that so interesting.
41:53I just didn't realize that was what you'd, how I would do it.
41:57Okay.
41:57I would see a script, right?
41:58Yeah.
41:58I would see a script and I would go, okay, fine.
42:00These are words to me.
42:01Yeah.
42:02And okay, fine.
42:03I can't, this character is kind of boisterous.
42:04Okay.
42:04I'm going to act in a boisterous way.
42:06Boo, boo, boo, like that.
42:07Yeah.
42:07And I probably would only be surface level, but I would get the job done in an act.
42:11Yeah.
42:12You're saying because you're a perfectionist, you really have to get that raw emotion out
42:16of, so every single, if you're dying every single night in scripts.
42:19Yeah.
42:20You're dying in real life.
42:21Yes, absolutely.
42:23That's wild, that energy that you're, that you're giving out all the time.
42:27Yeah.
42:27Well, yeah, exactly.
42:28And when you are dying and you're in that moment, you know, you have to, you have to think
42:33through your life and you have to flash like, you know, through your family and your
42:37memories and your friends and everything that you're about to lose, like to really muster
42:40up that raw, real emotion.
42:43Can you, can you die convincingly?
42:44Because that's the one thing in movies that some people just can't do.
42:48They're like, no, no, no.
42:49But do you know what?
42:50That depends on whether you have a good day or not.
42:55Jay had to do his, uh, his orgasm sound on the podcast and it was terrifying.
42:59Sounded a little bit like the noise.
43:01Can we hear?
43:02It can't be worse than your Brazilian accent.
43:04Okay.
43:04One more time.
43:05What would it be?
43:10Oh God.
43:11What would it be?
43:11Come on.
43:12I'm going to really put myself in the moment.
43:12I'm going to really put myself in the moment.
43:14Open up that wound.
43:15Okay.
43:16Here we go.
43:16Jimmy's like.
43:16I'm going to really put myself in the moment.
43:18Yeah.
43:19The problem is they always come first.
43:24You're saying that to her.
43:25Yeah.
43:25Yeah.
43:25Yeah.
43:25You're doing, you're doing, you're doing, you're doing a monologue too.
43:28She's probably like, oh my God, he's going to murder me.
43:31The problem is they always come first.
43:32She's like, I'm going to the police.
43:34I, I, I, I, I just, I can't get myself in.
43:37I can't get myself.
43:38Come on.
43:38I can't do it.
43:40Okay.
43:40All right.
43:41I'm going to really try and get myself into that moment of having an orgasm.
43:43Oh God.
43:44Oh my God.
43:46Okay.
43:46Okay.
43:46Here we go.
43:46Jamie, it's just acting.
43:47That's what we're doing.
43:48Okay.
43:48Here we go.
43:48It's just acting.
43:49Oh God.
43:53That was so fucking horrible.
43:55I can't do it.
43:55I can't do it.
43:56I can't do it.
43:56I can't commit.
43:57I can't commit.
43:57I can't commit.
43:58I can't commit.
43:59I'm sorry.
43:59The thing is with acting is you have to throw yourself in the deep end, Jamie.
44:02It is too freaking hard.
44:04Yours is like, Alex, I'm done.
44:07I'm done.
44:08I always used to do that in class.
44:12I used to annoy my teachers so much.
44:13Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
44:14That would do it.
44:15Just going back to that thing, because I really honestly and truly believe that if you're reaching
44:19for those emotions all the time, that is setting yourself up for a really hard experience.
44:25You're dying all the time.
44:27You are breaking up with people all the time.
44:28You're injured all the time.
44:31You're crying all the time.
44:32And then you have to leave all of that.
44:33It's not real, Jamie.
44:34I know.
44:35You're Bristolian most of the time.
44:36But it's hard.
44:37You take that with you, I suppose.
44:40What does...
44:41Sorry.
44:42I've always wondered this.
44:43How much does it interfere with your actual life?
44:45Because obviously you're tapping...
44:46Yeah, psychologically.
44:47You're tapping into this real emotion all the time, and you're playing this real emotion.
44:50Then when actual real emotion comes along, you're like, well, actually, I don't know
44:53how to deal with this.
44:55Yes.
44:55See, it can be beneficial.
44:58Just to quickly answer your question, I think it's a practice.
45:00Your mind is a muscle, right?
45:02So I think it's a great practice to be able to try and put a lid on your toolbox at the
45:07end of the day and go, okay, they were my emotions.
45:09I tapped into this, this, and this, and now I'm going to close that box, and I'm going
45:12to go off.
45:13I'm going to go for a run, sweat it out, or shower.
45:17Listen, pick your poison.
45:18Pick your poison.
45:20Sorry, did I say that?
45:21That wasn't where I was going, but sure, if that's what works for you.
45:24But then in response to what you were saying, yeah, I think it can be beneficial.
45:29It can be detrimental as well.
45:30I've, you know, I've used people that I have to be angry at.
45:34I have personified it, and I've thought of someone, and then, you know, they've texted
45:37me up, and I haven't fucking messaged me halfway through the day.
45:39They've done nothing wrong, but I've used them to, you know, be, I guess, you know.
45:44That's insane.
45:45Have you, because of the, yeah, have you been to Comic-Con?
45:49Yeah.
45:50Have you done that?
45:51Yeah, I've done it a few times.
45:52Okay, tell me how, for anyone, for listeners who don't know what it is, can you explain what
45:56it is?
45:57Sure, yeah.
45:57It's basically a massive comic convention, hence Comic-Con, and it's where, you know,
46:03comic book enthusiasts come together and get to meet, you know, the actors playing the
46:10characters that they adore, or, you know, get to meet these people, get to connect in
46:16real life with other, you know, comic book enthusiasts, and get to just have, like, the
46:20best weekend of their lives.
46:21Who did you get to meet?
46:24That was good.
46:25That was good.
46:25Just imagining me there.
46:27But do you, but do you, do they go crazy?
46:31Yeah.
46:31They really do.
46:32But it amps me up, too.
46:33I mean, they don't all, but a lot of the time they do, but it makes me excited as well.
46:37I'm excited.
46:38I'm just as excited to meet them, because, you know, a lot of, a huge part of me believes
46:43that I only got Batwoman because of the fans, because I don't know, you're probably not aware,
46:48but they kind of rooted, you know, they rooted for me to be on that show on social media.
46:54Did they?
46:54Yeah, yeah, they did.
46:56They really did.
46:57When, when Ruby left, they, they kind of, uh, like campaigned for, for Ruby's role to
47:04be, they just thought I'd be a great candidate because they'd see me on the Superman show.
47:08And, and I really didn't expect it.
47:10It was crazy.
47:11And so that felt like I maybe got that call because of that social media buzz.
47:17So I'm just as thankful to them.
47:19I truly am.
47:20Like I, I believe that I genuinely believe I probably wouldn't have got here today if
47:24it wasn't for them in terms of that is wicked.
47:27So I can, you know, do you know what I mean?
47:28It's a two way thing.
47:29I love them.
47:29I think they're great.
47:30And the energy is uncomparable.
47:32It's just crazy.
47:32Yeah.
47:32It's great.
47:33I love it.
47:34But, but so where, where does the love for all of it come from?
47:38Does it come from where it's just the love of the art?
47:40Is it the love of making people happy and entertaining them?
47:44Is it all of the above?
47:45Where does it, the real passion come from?
47:47Um, honestly, I, I feel like I just want to tell stories that people might not be exposed
47:55to, you know, in, in their everyday lives.
47:58I feel like there's so many important stories to tell and experiences that need to, you know,
48:04be shown and known without a stigma of, you know, let's just say mental health or whatever
48:11it can be.
48:12And I, I honestly feel honored to be able to, to portray those, those kinds of characters
48:19and tell those kinds of stories.
48:20Yeah, I, I do.
48:22I think that's, that's it where you get to do.
48:24I, I heard that you also, um, you, did you write?
48:27It's not true.
48:27Yeah, it is true.
48:28It is.
48:29You wrote a, you wrote a book, right?
48:31Yeah.
48:31Which one?
48:32Yeah.
48:33Have you written a lot?
48:33Cause you're.
48:34A few, yeah.
48:34And you want to get these done into, uh, get, cause it's script writing, right?
48:38And you want to turn them into movies.
48:40Yeah.
48:41There's one that I, I really want to.
48:42Can you tell us what it is?
48:43Yeah, sure.
48:44It's, it's called chemistry or that that's just its name at the moment.
48:48It doesn't, it doesn't have to be that, but that's been its name for the last, uh, seven
48:53years.
48:53Shut up.
48:54You wrote this seven years ago.
48:55Yeah.
48:55Yeah.
48:55Yeah.
48:55Yeah.
48:56I wrote it when I was 19 and, and I just really believe it.
49:00I feel like it's such a good story and the characters are so strong.
49:03And I, I wanted the opportunity.
49:05I had just worked with Warner brothers and I wanted the opportunity to take it to them and turn it
49:09into a screenplay.
49:11Um, so I went, I'm, I met with Rat Pack and they loved it.
49:15Wow.
49:16Yeah.
49:16I couldn't believe it.
49:17Yeah, I know.
49:18Get out of town.
49:19What the hell are we doing here?
49:22Get the job.
49:23Get the job.
49:24Let's go.
49:25That's insane.
49:27Well, hold on, hold on.
49:28Okay.
49:28Hold on.
49:29Um, and yeah, and they, they wanted it, you know, they kind of gave me six months to,
49:33to, to write it and finish it off.
49:36And I just so happened to get, you know, a really great role.
49:39And I just, I had to kind of true choose one or the other at that point.
49:43And I chose the other one, but, but Hey, like it's still very much on the cards.
49:46And, you know, again, I said that I wanted to take some time off this summer.
49:49A lot of that I do.
49:50I do want to focus on writing.
49:52I really want to release a poetry book as well.
49:55I have about a decade worth of poems that I just need to purge.
49:58Oh my God.
49:58That's really pleasure.
49:59There's this real incredible buzz at the moment for female writers.
50:03Like, like, I mean, if we look at Phoebe Wallerbridge, um, Rose Matafe, the comedian, um, Dolly
50:08Alderton, who's got her BBC, like these, these, these, like, like great.
50:12I feel like there's this real, and it's, and, and also like a British as well, which
50:17is like, there's this Hollywood's come over here.
50:19Yeah.
50:19But why, but is that, is that the sense over in LA where people, people meet you when they
50:24go British and they go, ah, you're, you're trained, you're an actor where over there,
50:28they're just kind of like, yeah, this is what I'm trying to, it seems to be a difference.
50:31There's definitely a difference.
50:33You know, from personal experience, I'd say that they're a lot less, um, that training is
50:39a lot less important to them over there.
50:41I feel like, I feel like here, the industry can be quite, um, trying to find the right
50:48word here, but they can be quite focused on the kind of training that you've had or your
50:52background.
50:53Whereas in America, I feel like they're a lot more open-minded and, you know, they'll
50:57just, they'll just want to see you and, and, and cast you based on your experience in the
51:02room, in the audition, which, which I personally prefer.
51:06Dude, this is insane.
51:08And the big thing that we like to ask on private parts always is, um, and I always
51:13think like checking out, especially when you're happy at the moment.
51:15Yes.
51:16See, that's the greatest thing.
51:17What does happiness mean to you though?
51:20Um, I, for me personally, it's just, it's doing what I love to do.
51:24Um, and it's having the people that I love happy and healthy around me.
51:30Really?
51:30It's, it's literally that simple.
51:32It really is.
51:33And you know, the last time someone asked me that question, I said, no, like, I'm very
51:36honest with that question.
51:37Yeah, because I, I believe that you don't, you know, people, no one's always happy, right?
51:42You're just not.
51:43So I, I try and always be super authentic as I can with that question.
51:46But yeah, the answer is I'm, I'm really happy at the minute.
51:49And what shifted to do that for you, do you think?
51:51I would say a lot of it has been healing therapy.
51:53Um, and I just think focusing, just drowning out the noise and the toxicity within the
52:01industry, coming on this, you know, I was a different person before this.
52:06Really profound moment again.
52:08And yeah, he steps in.
52:12Can I add this to my IMDb?
52:13Yeah.
52:13Don't worry.
52:15I'm going to do that already.
52:16Yeah.
52:17Yeah.
52:17First result.
52:18Yeah.
52:19Yeah.
52:19I haven't even got home yet.
52:20Yeah.
52:20Sex life is just like scribbled out.
52:23You can't do that.
52:24It's on the computer.
52:26Oh.
52:29Do you want to say, listen, I just want to say a big thank you for coming on the podcast.
52:34I really do.
52:34Um, I, I, I, I love it when people, I, sometimes I hear people talk about you.
52:39Right.
52:40And who, like, I mean, no, in good ways, right.
52:42In good ways.
52:43And it's, it's friends.
52:44I don't agree with what they say.
52:45I think you're lovely.
52:47No, but it's friends or I'll be in a room or I'm in TV and someone will say your name.
52:51And I feel very proud when I say that, you know, I know you and you're a buddy and I
52:55really do.
52:55So it's a, it's a great thing to see your friends killing it.
52:58The feelings mutual.
52:59Yeah.
53:00I, you know what?
53:01I'm killing it.
53:02Do you hear his name often around LA?
53:06Yeah.
53:06I imagine it's sort of banded around.
53:10Jamie Lange.
53:13Let's get him over here.
53:14In all honesty, I truly do.
53:16And you, you're, you're, you're one of the greats and I, and I, you fully deserve it.
53:20100%.
53:21Do what we like, anything else coming up that you're excited about?
53:25Honestly, yes.
53:26There's so much, there's so much that I'm excited about for life right now.
53:29Um, I'm about to start shooting something else that I'm super excited about, but I do want
53:34to thank you for having me and, and, you know, I love you guys.
53:36You guys are great.
53:37And I really appreciate it.
53:38Anytime.
53:39Listen, what we'd like to do at the end of the podcast is leave our listeners with something
53:42inspirational.
53:44Oh, great.
53:45I'll, I'll, uh.
53:46Yeah.
53:46Yeah.
53:46That was a good one.
53:48Great.
53:49Yeah.
53:50I'll do my climax sound.
53:51Like you just did.
53:52Just do it.
53:52Do it.
53:52I think I just came.
53:58No, no, no.
53:58Listen, if I was going to say something inspirational, I say, uh, I think it's just really important
54:03to, uh, like authentically just be yourself unapologetically always.
54:08Um, no matter who that pisses off because you'll find your right people that way.
54:13Love that.
54:14Well, I say thank you so much.
54:15Everybody.
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