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Dr Zakir Naik Debates with an American Atheist – Logic vs Atheism
In this intense and eye-opening debate, Dr Zakir Naik engages with an American atheist on topics such as the existence of God, science and religion, and the purpose of life. Using logic, scientific evidence, and verses from the Qur’an, Dr Naik presents Islam’s perspective and answers tough questions with clarity and confidence.

🔹 Key Highlights:

Does God exist?

Can science explain everything?

Is religion man-made?

Islam’s response to atheism

📌 A must-watch for anyone seeking truth through reason, intellect, and faith.

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Transcript
00:00Hello, Dr. Zucker Naik. My name is Harris. I'm from Phoenix, Arizona in the United States.
00:07I'm an entrepreneur and a marketing manager.
00:10Two of my friends in America have converted watching YouTube videos of you.
00:16One of them a Christian, one of them an atheist.
00:20One of my friends presented me with how to deal with an atheist DVD of yours, which I did watch.
00:28But that didn't answer my question.
00:31And I've asked this question to a lot of people with no satisfactory answers, a lot of intelligent people.
00:37Of all the scholars that I've ever watched on YouTube, in my opinion, you are the most rational, logical, easy-to-understand kind of scholar that I've ever come across in my life.
00:51And it is really important that this question is answered because I've never had a satisfactory answer for this question.
00:57And my question is like a coin with two sides.
01:00The first side of it is this, and this is the question.
01:02I'm somewhere between an atheist and agnostic.
01:05I'm not sure where.
01:07God has created this entire universe.
01:09And the Quran speaks a lot about how it has taken so many days and mountains and this and that, and life is going to be a test and whatnot.
01:19My question is, way before God decided to create this entire universe, before he decided to put human beings,
01:28before he decided to send Prophet Muhammad or Adam and Eve,
01:32way before he even planned about doing any of this,
01:35he knew the end result of it.
01:38He knows, in the end, he will be disappointed by certain people and he will throw them in hell fire.
01:45He knows they will be burning.
01:46He knows they will be tortured and that is when they will be repenting for what they've done.
01:52Way before he created the entire universe, he knows the outcome is going to be bad.
01:58It may be good for certain people who are in heaven,
02:00but he knows that he can save those people from being in hell.
02:04Way before he even decided to go ahead with the creation.
02:07Yet, he decides to go ahead with it, with all his godly logic.
02:12Why would he want to do that?
02:14The question, if I can just put it in this manner,
02:17how can God be so sadistic that he would actually go ahead with a plan,
02:21which he knows is going to end up in that manner?
02:23That's the first side of the coin.
02:24The second side of the coin is,
02:25for some reason, if I believe that, okay, God is almighty and he understands everything is great, God is great.
02:32Why is God insisting in the Quran that, look at the mountains, look at the protons, the electrons, this and that,
02:39everything is so synchronized, how amazing I am.
02:41Why is he forcing us to find his creation amazing when it is a piece of cake for God?
02:47I mean, he just had to say, Kun, and it was done.
02:50Then why is it a big deal if God has made this entire universe, which is so amazing?
02:54Because for God, it's nothing.
02:56So I should not be really amazed at his creation.
02:58He can do much more than this.
02:59So I do not understand why he wants us to respect what he's done or find it amazing what he has done.
03:04The brother has asked a very good question and a very intellectual question.
03:10It's a very good question.
03:12And he has seen some of my tapes on YouTube, even of atheism.
03:17And this question that is troubling him, he hasn't got the answer to.
03:21The brother has asked the question that almighty God knows everything.
03:25Before he created the heaven, then the earth.
03:27Before he created a human being, even if one person goes to hell, he could have avoided that.
03:34I mean, he could avoid being disappointed.
03:36Of course.
03:37I'll reply.
03:38The brother said, even if one person goes to hell, it is as though God would be disappointed.
03:45Now, coming to your question, I started a school.
03:49I started a school.
03:51And you may have heard Islam International School.
03:55If a teacher takes an examination, if she's just, while she is giving the examination,
04:03she writes in the maths paper, two plus two is equal to how much?
04:07The student in front of her or him, the teacher, writes five.
04:13She can very well tell the student, change five to four.
04:18Would it be just on the teacher during the test and examination to correct a student who's writing a wrong answer?
04:26Right.
04:27But if she has an option that the student doesn't need to do any of that and still just go and get the student...
04:30No, no, no.
04:30I'm asking a simple question.
04:32I'm asking a simple question.
04:34The teacher has given the question paper.
04:36Right.
04:36All the students were informed about it.
04:37In that circumstance, you're right.
04:38For that particular situation...
04:39For that particular situation, the teacher can tell.
04:43Their student changed five to four.
04:45What will the other students think about?
04:48Unjust.
04:49But God can be just at the same time.
04:51He can create a completely different condition.
04:53He doesn't have to go ahead with that situation.
04:55He's not bound by any situation.
04:57Brother is saying, Almighty God can create something which is perfect and will not make mistake.
05:01Right?
05:01That God has already done.
05:03He created the angels.
05:03God created the angels.
05:06The angels never go against any commandment of God.
05:10But human being is a better creation than angel.
05:13The angels have got no free will of their own.
05:15If you have heard my tapes, if you have not heard, I'll tell you now.
05:18The angels are a creation of Almighty God, but not the best creation.
05:22Almighty God created the human beings.
05:24The human beings have a free will to go against God or to follow God.
05:29If you have chosen to be a human being, if you disobey His commandments, you go to hell.
05:33If you obey His commandments, you're superior than the angel.
05:37Because the angel doesn't have a free will of his own.
05:41Then he follows God.
05:42It's nothing great.
05:43The human beings are the better creation of Almighty God.
05:47Almighty God has given a free will.
05:49That's a different question that Almighty God knows.
05:53Because He has ilm-e-gayb.
05:54He has knowledge of the future.
05:56He is more superior.
05:57So He has created such a creation which has a free will.
06:01The fault is of human being, not God.
06:04No, but God has created us with that fault.
06:07And He knows He can avoid that.
06:08Not fault.
06:09It's not fault, brother.
06:10It is free will.
06:11Why has He given us a free will when He knows He's going to eventually put these many people in hell?
06:15Why is He doing something?
06:17That is a different creation.
06:19Would you want to create something which can think on its own?
06:22Why would someone so compassionate be able to stick at the same time?
06:25Brothers, that's what I'm going to tell you.
06:26What you want, God has already created an angel.
06:29I'm asking you, which is better?
06:30An angel following Almighty God or a human being following Almighty God?
06:34Which is better?
06:34For me, absolutely.
06:36If I get a second chance, I would want to be an angel.
06:38Why would I risk going to hell?
06:39Second chance.
06:39Correct.
06:40That's why Almighty God says in Surah Araf, chapter number 7, verse number 172,
06:46Almighty God brought all the human beings from the loin of Adam and asked them,
06:51Is there one God?
06:52All agreed.
06:53Almighty God says in Surah Ashar, chapter 59, verse number 21,
06:56If Almighty God revealed the Quran on the mountain, the mountain would shudder down.
07:03Almighty God says in Surah Azaf, chapter 33, verse number 72,
07:06It is the human beings who were fools who said we want to be human beings.
07:10You and I.
07:11You and I were fools.
07:13Now you cannot backtrack.
07:15Once you said you want to appear for the test, once you read the test paper,
07:18Nobody asked me.
07:20They asked Adam and Eve.
07:21No, brother.
07:22Quran says every human being was asked.
07:25And then it is washed off.
07:27This memory is washed off.
07:28If the memory is away from the test, Almighty God says in the Quran,
07:32Do you want to be a human being?
07:33if you become a human being you can become superior to an angel or can get inferior if
07:40you don't want to become a human being just pass even for argument's sake even in that
07:45please let me complete you ask the question all right if you interject i will answer sure go ahead
07:50so almighty god asked the human beings and the quran says we human beings were fools you and i
07:56both were fools who opted for the test now once you undergo a test if you follow the commandment
08:05after free will you be superior to an angel if you disobey allah you become inferior to an angel
08:11we wanted to pass with distinction you and i you and i you told i don't remember of course you will
08:18not remember and even i don't remember but i believe in the quran on the day of judgment almighty
08:24god says not a single human being will object to the justice of allah that will come to know on
08:31the day of judgment only thing will say please give us one more chance almighty god will say it's too
08:36late because if he wants to give you a new chance then i'll have to come back in the world again
08:40again everyone so those who failed he can't get only the failures so the quran says no one will ever
08:48object on the justice of allah they will request allah give us one more chance almighty god is it
08:54too late almighty god gives us chances in this world itself you make a mistake allah gives you
09:00chance to repent you repent allah forgives you again you make a mistake all the once you die
09:05it's only one so as far as the first question is concerned why did god create because it's a better
09:11creation any logical person including you has to agree that a person who has the free will is a
09:18better creation than a person who has no free will only your question you don't remember is perfectly
09:22right when you die when you're resurrected that time you and i will meet then you will say i remember
09:28even i don't remember now but i have faith in the quran that quran cannot be wrong because
09:34scientifically if you heard my lecture 80 percent of the quran is 100 percent matching with science
09:4120 percent is ambiguous neither right neither wrong so my logic says when 80 percent is 100
09:47percent correct and not even 0.1 percent of the 20 percent is wrong so my logic says even this 20
09:53percent would be right i'm a scientific person i'm a logical person so i believe in the statement of
09:58the quran that we chose if you wouldn't have chosen you could have questioned god why did you make
10:04me a human being then god would have been at fault but god says in the quran he asked
10:10the mountains were afraid everything else for afraid we human beings opted for this but do you
10:18remember being asked i don't remember being asked brother if you heard my answer even i don't remember
10:24but if you remember then where is the test imagine if a teacher teaches you something
10:30teacher teaches you something teacher gives you the book the teacher has to take away the book for the
10:36test if the teacher says okay take the book and answer where is the test okay but why after the
10:44examination is over you can go home and check or not but even before the exam began god brother
10:48brother listen to me after the examination over can you go and check home or not in the textbook
10:54absolutely but during the examination can you check no so now the examination is going on brother
10:59once it's over you can check if you tell teacher teacher i want to see the textbook i don't remember
11:07no during the examination you cannot refer to the textbook it will be called cheating
11:12correct so once the examination is over if you don't remember you tell god what is this illogical
11:20but quran says not a single human being will object to the justice let the test get over
11:27so today i being a scientific person i being a logical person based on my knowledge of science
11:33based on my logic when i read the other scriptures and when i read the quran i find quran is the only
11:40book only religious scripture on the face of the earth which passes this test so therefore i being a
11:47scientific person being a logical person agree okay fine this statement of the quran also has to
11:52be right i don't remember that is the test if i remember where is the test so that answers the
11:58first part of the question first part that saying that god was sadist god is not sadist for example
12:07i start a medical college i want the school students to go to medical how many students who go to school
12:14enter the medical college just roughly can you guess few surely less than five percent less than
12:22maybe one percent so why did you make a college where only one person can enter fine it is for
12:28selected few so same way god made heaven jannah jannath firdaus everyone cannot go to jannath firdaus
12:36why not sorry why not why can't every why can't everyone go to medical college because it's human
12:43capacity if humans were capable of being able to put everyone in medical college they would that's the
12:48way we are made the same way everyone cannot become a doctor only those who have the capacity same way
12:55everyone cannot go to jannath firdaus the high levels of paradise we have to strive god has given you
13:01capacity if you don't follow his guidance you cannot if you follow his guidance to go to jannah is very
13:06easy if you're intelligent it's very easy if you're intelligent and if you're truthful to yourself
13:15but if you're not truthful to yourself even a non-intelligent man can go to jannah only thing you
13:21should be truthful god has given you different options how to follow him some people think they are
13:29smart i tell them they're extra smart if they were smart they would see it is crystal clear
13:36in black and white that this is the word of god you have to follow it that's the reason francis bacon
13:43said little knowledge of science makes you an atheist in-depth knowledge of science makes you a believer in
13:50god so i wouldn't say god is sadist i said we were fools who opted to undergo the test
13:58not god god gave you an option what do you want to be we chose so we are responsible not god god is
14:07not a sadist we are fools that's what the quran says on the day of judgment you'll come to know
14:12inshallah you and i both inshallah if i go to jannah inshallah inshallah i'll pray to god i'll thank god
14:20you know i was a good person i choose to be a human being if you pass that if you fail then we
14:25will curse our own self hope that answers the question the second part sorry what was the second
14:30part that even if i believe how almighty he is how knowledgeable he is why is he so bent on
14:36convincing us look at the mountains look at the electrons look at the protons the second part of
14:41the question was that why does almighty god give references of the mountain that is created this
14:47for him it is peanuts so why is he talking you know why is he saying he's saying these peanut things
14:54mountain they would shudder you human being who are superior why don't you understand quran says in
15:00surah hashar chapter 59 verse 21 had the quran been revealed on the mountain the mountain would have
15:05fallen down to utter ruin but to us human beings it makes no difference he's giving these examples to
15:12show that these things which are so powerful the mountains etc which has created would have submitted
15:20they will why don't you human being do he's trying to give an example that we are fools he's not trying
15:27to praise himself and whenever he asks us to praise him or when he says for this allah akbar god is the
15:35greatest do you think it will change allah no whether you say a thousand times allah akbar or a million times
15:44he cannot become greater he's already the greatest the reason we say these things is because it is our
15:51human mentality our human nature that we follow the people who are famous we follow the people who we
15:58praise for example your mother has a heart attack there's unknown person on the street who gives you the
16:06treatment and you heard that the best heart specialist in the world is dr x now will you follow
16:14dr x's advice or the person on the street who you don't know dr x why because dr x is famous people know
16:21him he's the best in the world so the reason in our salah in our life we say allah akbar allah is the
16:28greatest allah is the most wise allah is the most intelligent why if we say that it doesn't benefit
16:34allah it benefits us that if we praise him we follow him if we follow we go to jannah to allah it
16:41makes no difference therefore allah says will you not then believe will you not then understand that
16:49means the quran is revealed to the people for understanding so he's giving this example not to
16:54make himself great he's always the greatest whether you say a million times allah is the greatest it will
17:01not make a difference to allah he's telling it to you allah says in the quran allah does not require
17:08you you require him so when we praise him it is human psychology that the person you praise person
17:14you talk great about you tend to follow his advice by following his advice it will benefit you it will not
17:21benefit him he's already the greatest he's already the merciful so these are rules and regulation laid
17:27down he is our creator he knows our mindset you are a student of science correct i am also a student
17:33of science the moment i come to know allah mentioned these scientific facts which we came to know today
17:3850 years back and it increases my faith in allah allah says in surah fusila chapter 41 verse 53
17:47soon we shall show them our signs in the furthest regions of the horizons and into their soul until
17:58it is clear to them that this is the truth so allah is giving these examples so that it benefits us
18:03for him it makes no difference it is benefiting us so he is giving us a chance
18:10to follow him so that we can go to heaven hope that answers the question brother i recognize his
18:17power and i understand he's amazing and all that that he's done but am i expected to be amazed at
18:23his achievements at creating this universe because for me for him it's like a one second job correct
18:28right so for him which is one second job when he tells you not to have alcohol if you really
18:33sure but am i expected to be amazed at his creation no see the thing is that he is not there to prove
18:40himself better if you believe that for him it is peanuts so will a person lie no so if he said
18:46don't have alcohol you will not question him no don't have pork you will not question him yeah but
18:52i'm not amazed at his creation because for him it's nothing compared to us it's amazing for him it's
18:56nothing right but compared to us a person who can create the universe when he tells me not to have
19:03alcohol i immediately follow sure i don't mind following him but do i have to be amazed at his
19:09creation as is said in the quran see as you ask me the question should i be amazed at the creation
19:15right i would say if i believe human being is a better creation then yes i'm amazed and then i say
19:23alhamdulillah he has made me better than that so if i'm amazed he made the mountains he made the stars
19:30he made the sun ah but he made zakir naik also he made a human being and we are the best of creation
19:37so he gives this examples so that we realize what benefit he has given to us all the favors he has given
19:45to us talking about the sands talking about the protons talking about the mountains finally he says
19:50human beings are the best creation so in comparison we have to agree that our creator
19:58has created this human body the molecules the dna the complex thing which can never come by chance
20:04so in this way we are amazed at the creation of the human being and then we submit to him
20:12if you are not amazed only by being amazed we submit that he is our creator
20:19he is worth worshipping no one else can do that this is so that we worship him and we pass the test
20:27and we go to paradise hope that answers the question if bill gates gives me a hundred dollars
20:33should i be amazed that he has given me that money i believe that the question has been answered and
20:37unfortunately we are very constricted for time you are welcome to come back tomorrow insha'Allah
20:41as with all of the brothers and sisters we have come to the end of tonight's session
20:46so please a very big thank you if bill gates gives you a hundred dollars
20:52will you get amazed brother the question is why should bill gates give you a hundred dollars
20:59if you tell me a tom dick and harry gives you a hundred dollars nothing to be amazed
21:10bill gates gave me a hundred dollars it's something that he gave you why did he give you why not
21:17somebody else why the question is why did he give you is a question okay if some tom dick and harry
21:25gives you if a man on the street gave you a hundred dollars bill gates got it you got it
21:32got it i got that so now you're convinced yes absolutely that is the answer so insha'Allah i hope
21:38that will come closer to islam so i should not be amazed at the fact that he's giving me the money
21:44i should be amazed it's him who's giving the money alhamdulillah got it so it was worth the time
21:49extending alhamdulillah
21:51alhamdulillah

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