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O norte-coreano Timothy Cho, de 30 anos, é um dos raros habitantes que conseguiram escapar da ilha-prisão comandada pelo ditador Kim Jong-un. E ele não conseguiu fazer isso uma vez, mas duas. Na primeira, foi preso em território chinês e devolvido para seu país natal. Na segunda, teve melhor sorte. Foi preso dentro de uma escola americana e depois acabou sendo enviado para as Filipinas.
Em conversa com Crusoé, Cho fala da falta de liberdade em seu país. "Na Coreia do Norte, você não pode fazer escolhas. Tudo é controlado, guiado pelo regime e pelo governo. Então, quando você conclui o seu ensino médio você não tem escolha, não há a ambição do que você vai ser. O governo vai te dizer 'você vai para o Exército', 'você tem de ir para esta fábrica', 'você tem de se juntar a este grupo'. Tudo acaba sendo ordenado e você tem que vestir a mesma camisa, a mesma gravata, o mesmo sapato, tudo é unificado. Eles alcançam a igualdade promovendo a pobreza", diz ele.
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Em conversa com Crusoé, Cho fala da falta de liberdade em seu país. "Na Coreia do Norte, você não pode fazer escolhas. Tudo é controlado, guiado pelo regime e pelo governo. Então, quando você conclui o seu ensino médio você não tem escolha, não há a ambição do que você vai ser. O governo vai te dizer 'você vai para o Exército', 'você tem de ir para esta fábrica', 'você tem de se juntar a este grupo'. Tudo acaba sendo ordenado e você tem que vestir a mesma camisa, a mesma gravata, o mesmo sapato, tudo é unificado. Eles alcançam a igualdade promovendo a pobreza", diz ele.
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00:00Olá a você, bem-vindos ao Cruzói Entrevistas. Eu sou Guilherme Mendes e aqui nós estamos hoje
00:12com o Timothy Cho, cidadão britânico, mas de ascendência norte-coreana. Eu queria agradecer
00:19muito a presença do Timothy. Timothy é um cristão que fugiu da Coreia do Norte e hoje mora na
00:25Terra e veio contar um pouco para a gente sobre como foi a história de vida dele, como foi a chegada
00:32dele até o Ocidente e contar um pouco sobre a religião na Península da Coreia. Eu queria muito
00:40agradecer a ONG Portas Abertas, que permitiu o nosso encontro e a chegada do Timothy ao Brasil. Para
00:47explicar o Timothy, eu falo inglês, eu também falo inglês, então eu vou predizer as perguntas aqui
00:52em inglês e vou fazer a pergunta ao Tim em inglês. As legendas vão aparecer aqui embaixo e as respostas
00:59dele também vão aparecer embaixo. Tim, bem-vindos ao Brasil. Obrigado por nos receber. É o primeiro
01:05momento no Brasil? É, e obrigado por me receber. Oh, é um prazer. Quais foram suas impressões sobre o Brasil
01:12em primeiro lugar? Bom, a primeira coisa, quando eu estava me lembrado, eu estava pensando sobre o futebol,
01:18definitivamente. Eu tenho um grande futebol futebol. Caca, Ronaldo, Ronaldo e Ronaldo. E,
01:24claro, quando eu estive em Brasileira, na sábado, nós passamos um grande 45 anos de
01:30Open Doors de Aniversário evento e eles estavam com a expressão de amor, expressão,
01:35e explorando por pessoas brasileiras. Então, eu me sinto desesperado, amado e bem-vindo. Então,
01:44eu estou muito orgulhoso e a minha impressão de vir a este país, eu quero voltar de novo.
01:48Eu vou perguntar agora para ele um pouco sobre como foi a chegada dele até o Brasil, até o Ocidente,
01:56no caso, como foi a saída dele da Coreia do Norte, contar um pouco da história dele, até onde é
02:02possível contar, e principalmente como foi a chegada dele até o Reino. Só para explicar antes, o Tim,
02:12ele tem por volta de 30 anos de idade, a gente não vai contar a idade dele aqui, mas ele tem por volta
02:17a gente tentando, então a gente vai contar o que tem esse imagem na hora de fazer as perguntas. Tim,
02:24we have about the same age, about the 30s, and very different background of stories.
02:30I was born in the West, I was born in North Korea, and you have such a more powerful story than mine,
02:37so I would like to introduce your stories to the Brazilian people who are watching you,
02:46and could you explain briefly, how do you reach the West, how do you reach this part of the planet,
02:58and tell us about your little stories, and mainly about your escape from North Korea.
03:04Well, it took definitely a long journey to arrive in the UK in 2008, and even now I am here in Brazil,
03:15sometimes I feel like it's unbelievable, it's unreal, because I do know how I sometimes have to paint myself,
03:22because I want to make sure I am not living in a dream. But it was a long journey come from North Korea,
03:28particularly after my parents escaped to China when I was about nine, and from that moment,
03:35my life came upside down. I did not know anything about outside. So far, of course,
03:40North Korean people are very, very big fan of football, and I do remember some of my father's
03:47friends were talking about football in Brazil, you know, and I think that was quite symbolic,
03:53of like Pelle and how they are good at it. But except for that, my part of understanding outside
04:01is completely banned in North Korea, and people cannot watch or hear anything from outside,
04:08even within inside distance where they travel from town to town, they have to get permission
04:15from North Korean authorities. And at the same time, people do not know what a passport is,
04:21or can think of traveling outside or have ever imagined for foreign holidays. So this was my
04:28childhood journey in North Korea. And after my parents escaped, and was particularly given a son
04:36of betrayal tack on my forehead, which sounds like you cannot attend school or get any other opportunities,
04:46they are called belong to enemy class. So in that particular group, about 30% of the total
04:52population of North Koreans, and they get discriminated against healthcare, food opportunities,
05:00and everything. So I often compare that part with apartheid system in South Africa. And that was one of the
05:09reasons when I made that decision to escape from North Korea to China. And of course, North Korea has
05:15three borders with one side South Korea. However, it's hugely militarized between South and North,
05:22and we have over 2.5 million landmines between the border. And there is no way you can get over and
05:29cross it. And the other border with Russia, and you could cross the border to Russia, end up in
05:35in Hablowski, some very winter freezing place, you don't know where to go. The only place is China,
05:41and particularly China, and near near Korean border side, it's Korean ethnic groups, they speak Korean
05:47language as well. So that is the route most of North Korean escapees managed to escape to China. And I was
05:56one of them when I managed to go to China across the border. And I did not expect such things
06:05would come when I eventually had to try escape twice. And during that journey, I was imprisoned
06:13four times, three times in China, one time was in North Korea. However, what I remember crossing the
06:21border to China, particularly was seeing different countries for this time. It was in 2004, almost 18
06:29years ago, still China was less developed compared to this time. But having seen darkness, North Korea
06:38doesn't have enough electric power, as you can see on Google satellite. And it's very dark. So it's same
06:45as the life dark going on inside. Even you're sending a letter, posting it to your relatives, it takes
06:52four or six weeks because trains stops in the middle of the way, having got enough electric power. And that
06:59part, seeing what I experienced, the survived on the street, living without parents in North Korea,
07:06but come to first time, China seeing outside was different world, different clothes, different food,
07:14and different fashion young people were wearing. The choice was something different. In North Korea,
07:20you cannot make a choice. Everything is controlled, guided, told by the regime and the government.
07:28So once you finish high school, you have no choice. It's not about your ambition, what you want to be.
07:33The government tell you, you have to go to army, you have to go to this factory, you have to join this
07:38group. That's all guided being. And you got, you have to wear same clothes, same tie, same shoes,
07:44everything is unified. So they achieved this equality by making poverty calls, enforce them. And if you
07:53don't follow it, put them in prison. So come to and see that different world and different light,
08:00different food and plenty of in China was exciting me and shocking as well. And however,
08:08people tried to go to another country because China is not secure. And that journey and somehow I come
08:16to at the Mongolian border, arrested and with other North Korean escapes were sent back to North Korea.
08:24And it was a tragic experience. I had seen what was going on in North Korean prisons there.
08:30And even seen someone dying on my on my back while leaning against my inside the prison
08:36center and hundreds of prisoners. They got out again from there. And second time opportunity came
08:44and escaped again to China. How long? How long did it take? It was in the same year. It was all happening in 2004.
08:55Each process of that, now I can say in one sentence, when I was there, every moment of steps,
09:04what was happening in front of me, what was taking, how they were transferring every place going into
09:11different prison detention centers and prison. I think if I write about book, I have to explain
09:22separately each imprisonment because there were lots of things going on. Even today, when I'm thinking of
09:28those things, it's hard for me to swallow. And particularly in the experience inside the North
09:34Korean prison center, in small, tiny room, 50 people. I'm only talking about myself, but there were
09:41several, many cells. And you could imagine how many prisoners were there, hundreds or even thousands.
09:48And there, early in the morning, wake up, seeing that man was who would lean on against my back. He was dead
09:56while he was leaning on my back. And he died of torture, lack of medical treatment, and starvation because
10:04we were given two scoop of noodles each day. I thought I could not get out from there. But that's why
10:13I often say, it is life I live on where I am today. It's not my life. I feel like I am indebted to many,
10:21and I carry someone else's life. And I got out of that prison through lots of tragic things happened
10:29to me. But when I was sent to my grandparents' house, I was able to make a second escape to China.
10:37And this time, I did not try to go to cross the border into another country. But this time, I went to
10:45American school in Shanghai with eight North Korean refugees, sadly, and we were arrested there again,
10:53because that was American school, not diplomatic center, arrested by Chinese police, and again sent
11:00to Shanghai International Prison. That was fourth imprisonment. I would like to emphasize more that
11:07part during my last imprisonment, because it was something miraculously happened during that time.
11:12I thought I was going to send back to North Korea. So even I tried to kill by myself, taking over 70
11:22sleeping pills in the police station toilet, and I collapsed on the floor. And I thought I was dead,
11:30but I woke up with fresh feeling, I had a good sleep. So I was not dead, in fact, now I know in prison.
11:37And I was crying every night, and not eating well. But one of my inmates, I had seven inmates from
11:45South Korea, Colombia, Japan, US, and all the countries. But this South Korean
11:53image was a gangster. So he was, of course, you can imagine why gangster ended up in prison.
11:58And it looked very scary. But then when he came and asked me why you were crying, and you're not even
12:06eating well. So I explained to him, I was the youngest age prisoner in there. And I explained to him, I'm going
12:12to be sent back to North Korea, I would be killed. So I am waiting for my death. And this strange gangster,
12:20then he was reading the Bible. And because it was international prison, they were allowed to read
12:28the Bible. I never read the Bible. I didn't even know what Bible was. And he was suggesting to me,
12:33you could start with the Bible, because you have some time. I thought he was quite mentally crazy.
12:38And of course, he was a gangster. But then he suggested me, where you could start to pray
12:44and to God for your survivor. And I told him, I don't know who God is. And then...
12:51Just another question. You said about your early age in North Korea. How was your...
13:00What was your relation with religion in South Korea during your early ages?
13:07You say you didn't have any religion until this date, until the date you met this gangster in the jail.
13:12So what was your relation with religion until the time?
13:16That's a good question. Thank you. In fact, I did not know anything about religion in North Korea.
13:22If you have asked me any North Korean escapees now escaped, did you know anything they would say?
13:29Everyone would say, no, we didn't know. I did not know what was Protestant, what was Christian,
13:35what was Hindu, Muslim. Nowhere there is opportunity you can learn or hear about religion in North Korea.
13:42So North Korea strictly banned anyone committed in faith because Kim's family is a God.
13:50And you have to bow to Kim's family picture frame in the house.
13:53Every single house has that Kim's family picture frame on the wall.
13:57And outside, you have hundreds of thousands of Kim's family monuments.
14:02And anyone who met any missionaries in outside or met any Westerners, someone like you, so if they arrested and sent back to North Korea, then you are now suspended.
14:13Because you are a Christian at the same time or religion, same time you are suspended as a spy.
14:18So what happens if you are a spy? An act of national treason act comes to apply you, you end up in prison camp.
14:27So currently, there are hundreds of thousands of prisoners in prison camp between political prisoners and Christian or religious prisoners.
14:36They do not distinguish. They all put them together and end up in life there.
14:40In the past 20 years and so on, I could say over one million people have tried to escape.
14:47Over one million.
14:48But only 35,000 people have managed to get out, including myself.
14:54Now I live in the UK and some people in the US.
14:56I don't know anyone in Brazil.
14:58I hope there are a few.
14:59And that's that's all.
15:01And the rest of them have been arrested and sent back to North Korea and ended up in prison camp, labor camp, killed, executed.
15:11So later, my father told me, which I met him after over nine years.
15:16Your grandmother was a Christian and I told him, I didn't know anything about it because we could not tell you.
15:23You could share it with school friends and that could go to police station.
15:27They could take all our family to prison camp.
15:31Once you have a crime or you become a criminal in North Korea, that attack follows all the way to three generations.
15:38So my father's escape to China, that traitor's attack came to me.
15:43If I'm married, had the children in North Korea, that follows to my children.
15:48Born with the crime, that could become it.
15:51So come to, that's now I can connect with that prison, with this gangster.
15:56When he said about Bible and when he told me about to pray to God, it was not relevant to me.
16:02It was very unreal.
16:05And I was never read the Bible.
16:07But when he said to me, I realized in prison that you could not do anything.
16:12So it was a dark and terrifying prison.
16:15So I was keep thinking how I am going to kill by myself before the regime come to kill me.
16:23That was all I was thinking that moment.
16:25So when this gangster told me, it was a tiny hope actually came to me.
16:30It was the only hope I could think of rather than I was crying every day.
16:34I don't want to be killed like that.
16:36So I made decision.
16:38Okay, I'm going to pray and I'm going to read the Bible.
16:40I read the whole Bible, but I didn't understand anything except for one scripture.
16:45It's John 14, 18 says,
16:48I will not leave you as orphans.
16:50I will come to you.
16:51It was very strongly connected with my current situation because I survived as kind of orphan after my parents left.
17:02And going to start praying, I didn't know how to pray.
17:05So I asked this gangster and gangster told me, you just say, Amen, at the end of your wishes.
17:12That's how I learned how to pray.
17:14My first prayer was, God, I don't want to be killed.
17:18Amen.
17:19God, I don't want to go back to North Korea.
17:21Amen.
17:22So all I said, that short sentence, and I added, Amen, at the end of it.
17:29And I thought, someone called God would send me a helicopter.
17:34It was not.
17:35I told gangster, God does not exist.
17:38You lie me.
17:40So what I then thought that moment, okay, I'm going to try the last.
17:45Let me try whether God will exist.
17:47So I asked God, if you really exist in this world, you give me my freedom.
17:53Then in return, I will devote all my life to you.
17:56But if I was sent back to North Korea and I was killed, I told him, God, I'm going to deny your existence.
18:03I kept on that prayer until the last day when two men finally visited me in the prison.
18:09And I thought they were from North Korean embassy.
18:12But when I went there, they were from international different sites, South Korean diplomat.
18:18The other guy was a westerner, which I didn't know who he was.
18:22But they told me, you have good news.
18:24I'm very lucky.
18:26China made an unusual decision.
18:27They don't do that kind of decision.
18:3099.99 sent back to North Korea.
18:34But China made that decision to deport me and my group to the Philippines.
18:38And from the Philippines, you could have a choice.
18:41Because now you are an international refugee.
18:43And we were given a diplomatic passport.
18:45I shared that news with gangster and my group.
18:48They were celebrating it.
18:50The behind the story, however, was that we were arrested at the American school in Shanghai.
18:56When we were arrested by Chinese police, many school kids surrounded us and watching us in tears.
19:02But one of the students, 13-year-old girl, she wrote an email to a journalist.
19:07We were traumatized and we saw what was happening in front of our lives.
19:11But we cannot do anything.
19:12We are powerless.
19:13We are young students.
19:14Could you please do something?
19:16And that journalist urged CNN, Washington Post, the BBC and all the major media to pressure on the
19:23Chinese government.
19:24And China, in fact, made that reluctant decision because they didn't want to upset the international
19:30community.
19:31So that decision deported us to the Philippines with a diplomatic passport.
19:36We were on that plane to the Philippines and from the Philippines to another country,
19:41we were given first class flight and eventually arrived in England in 2008.
19:47But I know that feeling.
19:50President Roosevelt once said, freedom is not something awarded.
19:55It's not come from you are freely given, but it is achieved.
19:59And I achieved that freedom.
20:02But I had to rely on my last purpose hanging on that word.
20:08I mean, ask God.
20:09So I myself testified and even I myself seen God actually exist.
20:19As Brazilians used to say, God writes in the right places with the wrong lines.
20:25So you say then the first question when I asked you about Brazil, that you need sometimes
20:33to pinch yourself to say, to believe that you're here.
20:36So I would like to ask you when you reach the West for the first time, when you settled in England and you became part of this community, part of the West.
20:50So what do you find the oddest thing to use to as a person from North Korea?
21:00The place with such limitations, as it pointed out, when you when you reach the West, the England, which is a first world country with freedoms and all kinds of different a different mixture of the world.
21:20What do you find the oddest to get used to?
21:22And if there is anything that you can get get used to even today?
21:27The first thing when I arrived in the UK was a freedom of choice.
21:34I was born in a prison country.
21:36Imagine someone kidnapped by someone and put underground house.
21:41You were being fed, told what to do, and you got out.
21:46The world looked different.
21:47It was the same feeling I had.
21:49Come to England at first, I didn't know what to do.
21:53It was a baby steps.
21:55One, two, three, one of the examples.
21:57You don't even know how to open your bank account.
22:00And it was learning that steps.
22:02And also how to make a choice.
22:04That's what God has given us fundamental perception of to make a choice.
22:09Come to me or you turn different direction.
22:12It's a conception same in democracy.
22:14You have to make a choice.
22:16Good choice, bad choice.
22:17But that choice was I was able to choose this pen and paper.
22:24I was not educated in North Korea.
22:26I had to practice Korean language on the floor.
22:29But in a democratic country coming to the UK, I was able to learn English.
22:34So the first choice I made, I remember in that I went outside town,
22:40where I ended up in Northwest England.
22:43And I saw a church building.
22:45So all I could think, oh, that place is probably God's place.
22:48So I went inside.
22:50But then they were serving homeless people every weekdays.
22:56And Sunday they used as a church building.
22:58But the other days they served homeless people.
23:01And I went there and I asked them, can I do something?
23:04I want to do something to help you.
23:05They then asked me, do you know how to watch dishes?
23:07I said, yes, because my English was terribly grounded at that time.
23:12So what I did, I was washing dishes.
23:16And at the same time, I learned how to make English tea and coffee.
23:21So I told them, I want to serve this coffee for homeless people.
23:25Because I wanted to get out English words from them.
23:28So each time I made the tea and coffee, I gave it to each homeless person.
23:32In return, I asked them, you need to give me one English word.
23:36So I actually made hundreds of tea and coffees and learned some English words from them.
23:42So that was the first choice I had, I made what to do.
23:47And then I started to go to school in English and went to colleges and universities.
23:54You mentioned that and what was all these things.
23:58And I was a little shocked because I saw homeless people on the street.
24:02I thought homeless people only would be in North Korea because mass starvation was going.
24:08What was happening?
24:09And imagining of Western world could be different, completely no homeless, anything.
24:13But every country, even some of them make their own choice to be sitting on the street.
24:18And not all of them, that part we can certainly and community support them, continue to look after them.
24:26But that was the thing.
24:27And also making my own choice is following responsibility.
24:31That was hard practice.
24:33And also, I thought I would need to pray anymore to come to freedom country.
24:39But I was keep going back to God.
24:41Why? Because I was chased by trauma, nightmares, flashbacks.
24:45That was from my experience.
24:47And wake up some of the nights, I didn't know where I was.
24:53And my mind was, am I in prison?
24:56Am I in North Korea?
24:57Am I in China?
24:58So I had to go out all the way outside to see the English road sign.
25:02And then I was able to go back to sleep.
25:05This was a difficult part.
25:07And even telling me, myself surrounded by darkness,
25:12was keep going back to praying.
25:14And within the prayers, myself continue to walk one, two, three, four steps.
25:21And I went to university, studied two degrees in politics.
25:25And after that, I worked in the UK parliament, working for a politician, learning about politics.
25:32One of the reasons why I made that choice,
25:34because I wanted to understand why I was victimized,
25:38why 25 million North Korean people are victimized,
25:41but they still don't know who they are.
25:43That was upsetting me and upsetting me.
25:46And because of that, I still thinking of who died in front of my eyes.
25:52And my life, having earlier mentioned,
25:55it sometimes feels it's not my life.
25:57And I feel that take responsibility, one of the reasons I am doing this work,
26:04to speak on their behalf, because they can't speak.
26:08When you have managed to escape from such a country like that,
26:13we have to share the story.
26:14Then you realize your country seems peaceful democracy today.
26:19But you also come from that background of persecution we have had gone through.
26:23And England, the same western part of the world.
26:27Freedom, it did not come from an apple tree.
26:29Particularly young generation, they must know about it.
26:32And when things happen badly, we have to take that responsibility together.
26:37That's why, that was the reason I chose the education,
26:40to go to an understanding.
26:42So pen and paper have empowered me to speak
26:46on their behalf, and particularly emphasize freedom of faith,
26:51and speech, expression, and opportunity.
26:54So the oldest thing is that, I must say,
26:56that oldest thing to understand democratic choice and values,
27:01it gave me reason why I am able to speak on behalf of my brothers and sisters in North Korea.
27:0875 years has been going in this way, darkness and suppression,
27:13and seems we still haven't got hope in there.
27:16But the language of hope and interview you are asking me today,
27:21that is hope.
27:23Yeah.
27:24And we are coming to a close in here.
27:27I would like to thank you again.
27:28Thank you for coming to us here in Brazil to say your exceptional story.
27:36And as a final question,
27:38you learn throughout your life what was the Bible,
27:43and by some kind of connection, what was the Western thinking.
27:52All of our Western thinking is based on the Christian knowing of the Bible,
27:57the Christian moral presence of the Bible.
27:59And one of the things we, in the West, most discuss is the concept of mission,
28:07the mission we have on the Earth.
28:09So you said a lot about the voice you got in England to say about the North Koreans,
28:16and I would like to ask you what do you consider to be your mission on Earth?
28:23Do you think about this often in the first place?
28:26And if so, what is your mission on Earth?
28:31I have never thought I could become someone like who I am today,
28:37and even become a speaker myself.
28:40I remember about 13 years ago, Open Doors Netherlands first asked me to
28:45give my own testimony.
28:47That time I did not want to talk about anything from North Korea,
28:50because I was still surrounded by trauma and nightmares.
28:54But then I testified, and I went there,
28:58and I've seen over 7,000 people on the stage.
29:02And I tear down, and I've seen the world was different.
29:06And I still see the world is different.
29:08We can certainly make a different world.
29:12And I don't feel what I'm doing is just about mission,
29:15but it is a calling.
29:16But that calling is not only in my heart,
29:19it's in your heart.
29:20You take your role as a journalist,
29:22because you tell the world what's going on.
29:25And I have you share that.
29:27That journalist who urged the media to report,
29:31and press on the Chinese government,
29:34they took their role.
29:36You took it.
29:36And I took it.
29:38My Open Doors staff, they take their role.
29:40And that way, we find hope, and better world, and peace.
29:45And because I have gone through a lot of things,
29:48now I look at the world in a different way.
29:51Suffering is a part of our journey.
29:53Whether you're born in Brazil,
29:55born in England, and born in the US,
29:57they all have their own part of stories,
30:00and testimonies, and traumas.
30:02This is why we need hope, hope of the world, and good news.
30:07And that good news guide us,
30:08thinking of a better way than we are surrounded by suffering and darkness.
30:13And the pandemic was horrible.
30:15It was darkness, but we got out of it.
30:17We invented and worked on vaccinations.
30:20That vaccination, and we worked on it.
30:23It's from our beautiful part of giving a gift from God.
30:29And all this technology as well.
30:32We take this, not just of our mission,
30:35but calling the centuries of this earth.
30:39And if I mention it, I believe in God's creation,
30:42it continues on because the hope is there,
30:45and faith is there, and love is there.
30:48Because of that love, today I am able to come here.
30:51I am grateful to the whole entire Brazilian people,
30:54and welcome me, and accept me as your community,
30:58and brothers and sisters.
31:00Thank you.
31:00Obrigado.
31:01Oh, yeah.
31:02De nada.
31:03Para você que nos acompanhou,
31:05esse foi o Cruzar Entrevistas.
31:06Eu gostaria novamente de agradecer.
31:08Thank you again, Mr. Cho,
31:10for your lovely speech.
31:12Nós voltamos na semana que vem.
31:14Muito obrigado.