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00:00Now I'm bringing in our international affairs editor, Philip Terrell.
00:03Philip, good to see you.
00:04There are a lot of questions of if or when the United States will join this war effort.
00:11There are many within the United States, the MAGA crowd, if you will,
00:16people like Tucker Carlson, American broadcaster,
00:20even Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene,
00:22who are calling on the U.S. president not to get involved with this conflict.
00:27This is a U.S. president who has said he would be non-interventionist.
00:31That is the big dilemma facing Donald Trump.
00:34And I think that can in a way explain why he's behaving the way he is behaving,
00:39because he knows that his support base is not really in favor of what they call forever wars.
00:45And this is something that Donald Trump is not in favor of either.
00:48And he's portrayed himself from the start of all of this right the way through his election campaigns
00:53as being the peace dealer, the man who's going to bring the different parties together
00:57to sign those deals that he's been talking about.
01:00And he hasn't managed to sign any deals so far, be it in Ukraine, be it in Gaza,
01:04and now a deal between Iran and the United States over Iran's nuclear program.
01:10So he's facing the increasing desire by Israel for the U.S. to join in,
01:17to finish off the Iranian regime and to help Israel achieve that goal
01:21and also destroy Iran's nuclear capacity.
01:27But at the same time, he doesn't want to cut ties too much with his base,
01:30because as you said, you have people like Tucker Carlson and Marjorie Taylor Greene
01:33who are saying, well, hold on a minute, this isn't what we voted for,
01:36and this is not something that we think President Trump should be doing.
01:40But on the other hand, you have other, more hawkish members within the Republican Party.
01:44For example, the Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, who's saying, yes,
01:48we should go in there and finish off Iran once and for all.
01:51This is an ideal opportunity because Iran is in a weak position,
01:54so the U.S. should get involved and move in there to make sure there is a regime change.
02:00So that is why there is this dilemma facing Donald Trump.
02:05Because on the flight back from Canada to Washington,
02:09Donald Trump was asked about what he was going back for
02:15and why, if it would be, in fact, a ceasefire between Israel and Iran.
02:19Take a listen to his response.
02:21I'm looking for a ceasefire.
02:23When I'm looking for a ceasefire, I didn't say I was looking for a ceasefire.
02:26That was Emmanuel, nice guy, but he doesn't get it right too often.
02:30But I'm looking for better than a ceasefire.
02:34What specifically is better than a ceasefire?
02:36What are you looking for here?
02:40An end.
02:41A real end, not a ceasefire.
02:42An end.
02:43So something that will be popular?
02:44Yeah.
02:45Or giving up entirely.
02:48Is that okay too?
02:49I mean, Donald Trump, Philip, is talking in riddles, essentially.
02:53An end to what?
02:55It's pretty open-ended.
02:56An end to Iran's supreme leader, an end to the conflict.
02:59It's open-ended.
03:01Well, to be honest with you, I don't think any of us know exactly what Donald Trump is alluding to there.
03:06There are several things that could mean an end.
03:08First of all, though, that snub to Emmanuel Macron, which is typical of Donald Trump,
03:14I think we can basically say that is because prior to this G7 summit, Emmanuel Macron went where?
03:19He went to Greenland, where he stood up for the Greenlandic people,
03:22saying this is part of a country that's part of Europe, belongs to Denmark,
03:26and it's not going to be given to the United States.
03:28That's obviously displeased Donald Trump, so it's a snub back to the French president.
03:33As far as the end of the conflict between Israel and Iran is concerned,
03:39Donald Trump wants a deal.
03:40He wants a deal that he can go back and say,
03:42I've got this deal, and that's going to help me get the Nobel Peace Prize.
03:46Remember, that's the way Donald Trump functions.
03:48He wants a deal with Iran.
03:51But he also knows that he's face-to-face with a very determined Israeli Prime Minister,
03:57Benjamin Netanyahu, and Benjamin Netanyahu wants to destroy Iran's nuclear agreement.
04:02We're not talking about a ceasefire here.
04:04We're talking about two different things.
04:06So if Donald Trump can pull off an agreement with the Iranians saying,
04:09OK, you've had 60 days, 60 first days when these attacks started,
04:14come back to the negotiating table, let's get that deal signed,
04:17that will be bigger than a ceasefire.
04:19But at the same time, there's this growing pressure, as you've been saying,
04:22from the Israelis for the US to join forces
04:25and also to finish off the Iranian regime to bring in regime change.
04:30Is that what Donald Trump is alluding to as something bigger than a ceasefire deal?
04:34Well, we really don't know.
04:36And at the moment, he's in the Situation Room meeting with his national security team.
04:40Maybe we'll have more information later in the day.
04:43But one has to beg the question,
04:46does Donald Trump himself actually know which way he's going to go in all of this?

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