00:00Let's talk to Nogha Tanopolsky, our correspondent, who joins us from Jerusalem.
00:03Once again, Nogha, the details are very sketchy at this stage.
00:07I don't know whether you have any more, but it does appear there may well have been a violation of the ceasefire now.
00:15Hi, Stuart. Good to see you.
00:16There absolutely was the kind of violation that happens when one of the parties wants to test the will of the leaders involved, I think.
00:25Iran launched what the IDF, the Israel Defense Forces say, is a single missile.
00:31It was intercepted by Israeli air defense over the northern Israeli border, I think over the Israeli-controlled part of the Golan Heights.
00:40And we have this announcement from the defense minister, Israel Katz, who already says, he says that he has instructed the IDF to respond forcefully to Iran's violation of the ceasefire with powerful strikes against regime targets in the heart of Tehran.
01:01It does sound, Nogha, assuming that happens, that we're back to square one.
01:07We could be back to square one.
01:12We could be in a sort of ragged moment in which, you know, each side is testing the will of the others.
01:19I think it's important to remember in the case of this particular ceasefire, it was basically imposed in the middle of the night here in the Middle East by the American president,
01:30who apparently simply said, enough, said to the Israelis, I did what you wanted, this is enough, and said to the Iranians, this is it.
01:38Now, I want to say one thing about this threat from the defense minister of Israel.
01:43It is very, very difficult to do what he just said he has ordered the IDF to do.
01:50In other words, to hit regime targets in the heart of Tehran.
01:53I want to read you from a report that we've just gotten in from Reuters while I was talking with you that the judiciary in Iran has announced that certain people were killed,
02:06including prisoners and some of their family members, in the Israeli attack against Evin prison,
02:12also the notorious prison in the middle of Tehran where political opponents are held.
02:19So Israel said it was doing this basically as part of an effort to, you know,
02:27to point out how repressive the Iranian regime is to damage the organs of that repression.
02:33And now we're hearing from the judiciary spokesman Asghar Jahangir in Iran that judiciary workers and administrative workers were killed,
02:44but also inmates and members of their families.
02:47You talked a moment ago, Nogar, about this single missile, assuming that that proves to be the case,
02:54that it was just a single missile, is a bit of a test here.
02:58If we do still get to the point where there is a ceasefire,
03:01how can Benjamin Netanyahu claim this overall at this point as a victory?
03:07Can he do that?
03:08Netanyahu will claim this as a victory, I believe, so long as there's no definitive information proving him wrong on the nuclear issue.
03:21If Iran, for example, were to run a test, a small nuclear test in the middle of the desert in Iran in two months,
03:32Netanyahu's entire Iran operation will be seen as a misadventure and as a failure.
03:39I think the main point is the nuclear part.
03:42So for now, in the muddle of war and without definitive information about the nuclear project itself,
03:50all of the scientists, the nuclear material, Netanyahu can say that he won.
03:56His other big win, of course, is that Donald Trump joined him.
04:01And so he gave him.
04:03Netanyahu, from his point of view, granted him this ceasefire.
04:07And I think that if and until when Donald Trump and Netanyahu have a public spat,
04:13until that time, Netanyahu can claim to have the United States on his side
04:18and can claim what he calls this historic victory of removing an existential threat
