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Video Information: 10.10.23, IIM-KONVERSATIONS, Greater Noida

Context:
~ From where does fear come?
~ How does outward dependability create fear?
~ What is love?
~ Why is love rare in politics?
~ What is nature of interest?
~ Why interest and love are not same?


Music Credits: Milind Date
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Category

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Learning
Transcript
00:00A lot of students that I talk to, it is the fear of the society, it is the fear of the
00:07unknown, it is the fear of the expectations that they are carrying that pushes them to
00:13probably become an engineer.
00:14And then they figure out that probably this is not something that I wanted to be.
00:20And that is a reality for a lot of individuals and not just in engineers.
00:26Fear is something that is stopping me from taking a plunge of starting something of myself.
00:32Fear is something that is stopping somebody who is in a relationship for 10 years to take
00:36that step to get married.
00:40Where does this fear come from?
00:42Lack of love, which comes from lack of self-knowledge.
00:48You see, when I tie my sense of existence, my very identity to something that is unreliable,
01:06I will have to be afraid.
01:13It's like putting my heart on this table.
01:19Now how can I live in security?
01:22The heart is out there on the table.
01:25Anybody can take it away.
01:26Anything can happen to it.
01:27Or the heart might grow legs and walk away on its own.
01:33My very existence has been subjected to something that is not in my control.
01:41Something that is definitely going to deceive me at some point, that is fear.
01:47My sense of self-worth comes from my monies, my bank account.
01:53I will be afraid.
01:56That bank account can be closed anytime, anything can happen.
02:02My sense of self-worth comes from my physical appearance.
02:09I very well know time will take it away.
02:12I will be afraid.
02:14Who am I?
02:15I am the one who is praised or worshipped by the society.
02:20Oh, I will be so afraid, so afraid.
02:23You talked of people working for their images, they would be living a cursed life.
02:31Because their heart is out there in the hands of strangers.
02:37Their entire identity is tied to their image and the image is in the eyes of other people.
02:44So the image can get distorted or can disappear any moment.
02:51Just imagine how afraid they would be all the time.
02:55That's with the ego.
02:56Because the ego, I said, is a fundamental sense of incompleteness.
03:01The ego doesn't know how to compete itself.
03:03It just associates itself to anything possible.
03:10And the things that you are associating yourself with, they are not reliable.
03:15They belong to the world and the world can take them away.
03:19They belong to time.
03:21They came with time and with time those things will disappear.
03:24And you have tied your identity to those things.
03:27Now how can you rest in peace?
03:30Just fear.
03:32If you do not have self-knowledge, you will always be afraid.
03:36My identity is linked to my husband's identity.
03:40Now the husband has two legs and the husband has a mind, a brain of his own.
03:48If your identity comes from your husband's name, as happens in India at least, you would
03:55always be afraid as a wife.
03:58The husband can change his mind any day.
04:01You'd always be, you know, having one eye on his secretary and the other eye on his
04:10email and mobile phone.
04:13What's he getting into?
04:15Who's texting him?
04:17Why is he on the phone so late in the night?
04:22Because you are afraid.
04:23If the husband goes away, what happens to you?
04:25Your very existence depends on the husband.
04:29That's fear.
04:30When you operate from the ego center and make something very, very important for yourself
04:36and that something belongs to the world, it can go away any time.
04:41You are afraid.
04:43And in that fear, there can never be love.
04:48Never be love.
04:49If you are afraid of losing something, you'll be very violent towards it.
04:55Somebody lets his money go and have a walk down the road.
05:04What do you do?
05:05You lock up your money.
05:07That's violence.
05:08When something starts becoming very meaningful to you, you lock it up.
05:15You don't want it to have freedom.
05:16And that's violence.
05:19So love and fear just cannot go together.
05:22If you are dependent on something or somebody, you would be afraid.
05:27And that dependence cannot be called as love.
05:31And that's a confusion we often get into.
05:34Just because you depend on somebody or somebody depends on you, you start feeling as if it
05:38is love.
05:39It is not.
05:40Probably the way the political parties think that people love them, but it actually is
05:48fear.
05:50Love is a very rare quantity and rarer in politics.
06:00So if I'm interested in a particular profession, do I not pursue it wholeheartedly?
06:10Do I pursue it wholeheartedly knowing very well that the results can be either 0 or 1?
06:16The question has to go into the very nature of interest.
06:22Aren't we interested in cricket?
06:27Aren't we interested in seeing songs in movies?
06:38Practically everybody in India is interested in cricket.
06:41Nobody in Brazil is.
06:43And nobody in India is interested in ice hockey.
06:46So that's how flimsy the whole thing about interest is.
06:52In India, if you do not get a movie with songs, you say I am disinterested, the movie would
06:57bomb.
07:00In Hollywood, if you have a movie with songs, that would raise eyebrows, what's going on?
07:05Occasionally you do have an old song, some, some, but typically there is no song.
07:10So that's the nature of interest.
07:13It is never something of the heart.
07:17Love and interest are not the same thing.
07:19Interest is something that is given to you by your body, by your environment, by random
07:24chance, by circumstances and all these.
07:28So that's how your interests come to you.
07:31So if you are interested in a vocation, first of all, you have to ask yourself, just two
07:39years back, I was interested in something else.
07:43And two years before that, I was interested in that.
07:45And when I was four years old, I was interested in becoming a fighter pilot.
07:51What happened to all those interests?
07:53Today I smile at those things and just shrug them off and I don't want to be a fighter
07:57pilot.
07:58I want to be, what do you want to be today?
07:59Oh, I want to be an investment banker.
08:01What happened to the fighter pilot?
08:03You were so interested in that.
08:08But how do you know that tomorrow you will not be looking at this eye banker just the
08:16way today you are looking at the fighter pilot?
08:21The self of five years old appears so naive and immature when you are 25.
08:32How do you know that at 35, you will not look back at this 25 year old self and say, what
08:37the hell?
08:38How was I taking this fellow so seriously?
08:42So interest is something that you must always look at with healthy contempt.
08:50Interest mind you, can even be induced in you.
08:55Interest can be aroused in you.
08:56That's what the entire advertising industry is about.
08:59They can make you feel interested in stuff that is intrinsically worthless to you.
09:04So of what value is this thing called interest?
09:08But then in today's world, we place so much premium upon this word interest, do what interests
09:14you this that, whereas it's wisdom to realize that interest is the last thing that you should
09:20ever go after.
09:22Then people come up and say, no, then should we do things that we are not interested in?
09:27No.
09:28Figure out what you can love.
09:31Figure out what you can love.
09:33And you will never be able to transcend into love if you remain stuck with interests.
09:40Wow.
09:42Again, it might sound repetitive.
09:51How do I find love?
09:53You can never find love.
09:55You can only rid yourself all that which blocks love.
10:03All that which is just needlessly and coincidentally present in your mental space.
10:11Love is like an honored guest.
10:15They say love arrives only when the right space has been prepared and maintained for
10:22it.
10:23Right and clean and honored space.
10:27You prepare that space and you leave that space empty.
10:31And they say, then love arrives.
10:34You cannot predict in what way, in what form love would arrive.
10:40But you can do your homework and your homework is to clear the clutter.
10:45You cannot have garbage all over your place and yet wish for that esteemed guest to honor
10:56your insides with his presence.
10:59He won't come.
11:02So we keep looking for love all our lives and then we complain, no, there is no love,
11:07there is no love.
11:08There is no love because you haven't prepared the right space for it.
11:12Love is not something reclusive.
11:16Love is not something exceptional either.
11:20And love is not something that is meant for just a holy few.
11:26If you are human, love is a possibility.
11:32But if you are stuck with your interests, as we said, interests and greed and your ignorance
11:42and your delusions and all your nonsense, where is the space for love?
11:48And love is obviously not something about the man-woman relationship.
11:52Obviously we are not talking in that context.
11:55Love is something you can give your life to.
11:58The work that I do, that's my love.
12:02I'm not there to consume it.
12:04I can finish myself off for that.
12:10You spoke about clutter and that probably is the worst thing possible for the generation
12:15of today.
12:17And I remember we started this conversation with your journey and how it was an assorted
12:25set of knowledge that was present in front of you.
12:29Right now what we are dealing with is a scattered set of knowledge that we are trying really
12:35hard to make sense of.
12:37And that probably is resulting in a lot of clutter because we are seeing certain people,
12:42we are tracking their lives, we are feeling that this is what I can be or I want to be
12:49or I will be.
12:52Seeing people and following their lives is not always something harmful.
12:59It's just that you need to have the right people to look up to.
13:02Again, just like the right books.
13:05The right books, obviously.
13:07All these people masquerading as influencers and biggies today, most of them are intrinsically
13:14very worthless.
13:16It's a very hopeless lot that our youngsters are looking up to.
13:20So that's the problem.
13:21Somebody has lots of money.
13:23Somebody is heading a tech firm.
13:26Somebody is all over the social media.
13:30Somebody is politically very dominant and he becomes a role model.
13:34That fellow is garbage.
13:38And you have so much in human history to be inspired from.
13:42Why not go and read about the really worthy people?
13:46Why must you be limited to all these flash in the pans?
13:51They are today, they'll disappear tomorrow.
13:54They don't mean a thing.
13:56It's just that when that spectacle is in front of you, it captivates your senses.
14:07And you fall for it.
14:10That has to be avoided.
14:11And we cannot entirely blame the youngsters for it.
14:16The guidance, the protection has to come from those who pose as guardians and teachers
14:27in the society.
14:30Otherwise, extremely unworthy people will become role models.
14:35They have become.

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