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00:00We got into an argument, and we had broken up.
00:04Tell me what the argument was about.
00:05It was me drinking.
00:07Did he come home drunk?
00:08Yes, ma'am.
00:09I told him he had 30 days to move out
00:11if he could not come in the house drinking.
00:13And that lasted about five days.
00:15You have a child?
00:16That is correct.
00:16How old is your child?
00:17She is eight.
00:19This is Judy Justice.
00:30Ashley Ford and her mother, Glenda Bruner,
00:42are suing Ashley's ex-boyfriend, Chad Tennyson,
00:45for travel costs and his share of a vacation package.
00:49Court come to order.
00:50All rise.
00:53Have a seat, please.
00:54Good morning, Judge.
00:55Good morning, Kevin.
00:56Case number 1117, Ford-Burner versus Tennyson.
01:00You're welcome.
01:01Your last name is Ford?
01:02Yes, your honor.
01:03This is your mom?
01:04Yes.
01:04And she's technically here because she paid
01:07for some part of a trip.
01:08That is correct, yes.
01:09You could sit down for me.
01:12You two dated for a relatively short period of time.
01:16During that short period of time,
01:18you did one of the most foolish things
01:20that people do when they're just dating.
01:22Sort of feels as if it brings them together.
01:25You bought what I used to call a timeshare,
01:28but this really isn't a timeshare.
01:30It's called a vacation package.
01:33That's what I read.
01:34That is correct.
01:35You bought it for two years,
01:36from July of 2019 to July 2021.
01:40And you're going to explain to me what it is
01:42that you get for that.
01:44I allowed my mind to float,
01:46and it sort of suggested to me
01:47that they had several places around the country
01:51where you could go and have a vacation and pay something,
01:55but you knew you were going to get that space,
01:57that particular one bedroom, a two bedroom,
01:59whatever it was.
02:01And they were nice places,
02:02places that you wouldn't ordinarily go.
02:04So far, is that relatively what it is?
02:06Yes, basically.
02:07Yes.
02:08To make a long story short,
02:09the vacation package lasted longer than the relationship,
02:12which is usually the problem.
02:15And then there was a whole kerfuffle about who paid
02:20and a trip that you were supposed to take
02:22that you say he canceled
02:24and that you had to make alternative arrangements
02:27and you didn't have enough money.
02:28So that's where your mother came in.
02:31She paid part of the cost of that trip.
02:34So she wants to be reimbursed
02:35because you all say that's his fault.
02:37And he says, me, I didn't do anything, nothing.
02:40Okay, so let's start with once upon a time.
02:44Once upon a time you met, when, where, and how?
02:47We started talking in the end of May, 2018.
02:50We met about a week later, June 8th, 2018.
02:55At the time that you met,
02:56you were living in your own home.
02:58You have a child?
02:59That is correct, yes.
02:59How old is your child?
03:00She is eight.
03:01And you, sir, where were you living?
03:03In Boonville.
03:03By yourself?
03:04Yes.
03:05That's not correct, Your Honor.
03:06He was living with his mother.
03:08Well, she has Alzheimer's, I take care of her.
03:10You were living in her house?
03:11My house, I was taking care of her.
03:13Is the house owned by your mother or you?
03:15No, me.
03:16It was just a rental home that she lived with me.
03:18And she paid the bills for.
03:19Oh, sorry.
03:21Don't do that again.
03:22Was that what you did as a full-time job
03:25to take care of your mom?
03:26At that time, yes.
03:27When did you first go on vacation
03:31when you bought this package?
03:32For the package?
03:33The first time that I used the vacation package?
03:36No, the first time you went to a place
03:38and bought the vacation.
03:39You went there in order to buy a vacation package.
03:42The week of July 14th, 2019.
03:45You hadn't bought it at that time yet.
03:47That is correct.
03:48Right.
03:49Used to get these things all the time.
03:51Come, we'll give you a free weekend or a free night,
03:53and then you go to a place, and they put you in a room
03:57with a lot of other people, and then they show you a video.
04:02I've had these cases before, and then before you leave,
04:05you say, oh, that would be so idyllic.
04:06We could go travel together.
04:08Anyway, it's very good marketing,
04:10and so on July 14th, you decided to buy this package.
04:14Tell me about the cost of this vacation package.
04:16Tell me what the contract was.
04:18Do you have the contract?
04:19Yes, I do.
04:20I'd like to take a look at it.
04:21Yes, ma'am.
04:26There you go.
04:37Did you read all this before you signed it?
04:38By the way, I'm just curious.
04:39Not well enough.
04:41I'm just curious.
04:41I mean, everybody initialed every single thing,
04:44and then you both signed it.
04:47I just looked at this briefly.
04:48I'll have Sarah look at it over.
04:50How much did it cost for the two years?
04:53It would end up costing $4,235.20.
04:58So $4,200 for the both of you?
05:01Yes, ma'am.
05:02That you were obligated to pay monthly?
05:05Yes.
05:06Now there's lots of stuff there with points.
05:08You can use points.
05:09You get points.
05:09What did you get points for?
05:11So it was 400,000 points, and then each resort
05:15and each night has a point value.
05:17So if you go to a five-star place, you use so many points.
05:21If you go to a three-star place, you use so many points.
05:24Basically, yes.
05:25Is that what it is?
05:26Yes.
05:26How much do you pay monthly?
05:28The payment is $107.84 for the contract.
05:32$107.84 a month for two years.
05:36There's also, I'm sorry, there's also an $1,000 deposit
05:41that was included in that.
05:43Okay, so I assume you paid the deposit.
05:46I did.
05:47What?
05:47I paid.
05:48That is not correct.
05:49I assume, when I say you, the joint, you paid the deposit.
05:53Not that day.
05:55What day?
05:56It was, came at later as a credit card.
06:00We were not aware that we were going to be getting
06:03an $1,000 credit card that day.
06:06So it wasn't explained that you were getting a credit card
06:08and there were points and whatever, but getting a headache.
06:11It's so much easier to call and make a reservation at a hotel
06:14and say, I feel like going on vacation today,
06:17or next week, or next month, or in two months.
06:20That's just my idea of freedom.
06:25Understand this.
06:26People who choose to live together without benefit of marriage
06:30should not engage in buying things jointly.
06:34A pet, a car, a vacation package, anything.
06:39Because 50% of the marriages in this country fail
06:42and substantially more relationships fail.
06:46Ashley Ford claims her ex-boyfriend, Chad Tennyson,
07:01owes for travel costs and his share of a vacation package
07:05they purchased together.
07:07Okay, who paid the deposit?
07:09You'd say you do.
07:10Tell me, Mr. Tennyson, how you paid the deposit of $1,000.
07:14I gave her the cash.
07:16When?
07:17November.
07:17November of 2019?
07:19Yes.
07:20Be very careful about this answer, Ms. Ford.
07:23Did Mr. Tennyson give you $1,000?
07:25He did not give me $1,000.
07:27Did he give you any money?
07:29Yes, he did.
07:29How much?
07:30That day that he's talking about, $600.
07:33Prior to that, he had deposited $80 into my bank account,
07:36and another time he had deposited $75 into my bank account.
07:40$80 and $75, so far, so far, $75, that he paid towards the deposit.
07:48Yes, ma'am.
07:49So you put in $245 towards the deposit.
07:52He paid $755.
07:54That sounds about right.
07:55Okay.
07:56Then you had to pay by month.
07:57For how many months did you pay?
07:59I have paid 11 months.
08:01So you paid for 11 months, and the obligation is now terminated.
08:06That is correct, yes.
08:07And the timeshare is over.
08:10Yes, ma'am.
08:11So either somebody is getting sued, or he paid the other months.
08:16Yes, ma'am.
08:16Which is it?
08:17He paid the other months.
08:18So he paid the other months.
08:20Yes, ma'am.
08:20So he paid 13 months.
08:23Yes, ma'am.
08:23And the majority of the deposit.
08:25Yes, ma'am.
08:26In what month and year did the two of you break up?
08:29July 2019, about six days after.
08:33So now the membership is paid up.
08:36You paid less than he did for the deposit.
08:38Yes, ma'am.
08:39And you paid less than he did for the membership, for the annual membership.
08:45So now I'd like you to tell me what you're suing him for.
08:48Absolutely.
08:49Because your lawsuit says balance of vacation package, $526.
08:56That is the balance that was due after the May payment.
09:00Okay, you pay that.
09:02I'll explain.
09:03I'm sorry.
09:04There's no explanation.
09:05You paid the majority of the...
09:07I wasn't supposed to pay anything.
09:09After we broke up, I wanted to cancel the package.
09:11You can't?
09:12We were within our 10-day grace period.
09:14It's in the contract.
09:15I guarantee you that you would not have canceled this package.
09:18I called and they stated that...
09:20You can't tell me.
09:21You're right.
09:22You can't tell me.
09:23If you can show me...
09:24There's a 10-day termination window in the contract.
09:28I'll look into it.
09:30While she's looking for that, you broke up in July of 2019, the same month.
09:35How many times did you use the vacation package?
09:38A total of one.
09:39Think carefully.
09:40How many times did you use...
09:42I was actually able to use it one time.
09:44How many times did you use it, sir?
09:46Zero.
09:47You have any information that Mr. Tennyson used it at all?
09:51He did not use it at all.
09:52He had said...
09:53Don't tell me what he said.
09:54I'm still not getting what you're suing him for,
09:57because right now you have no lawsuit that I'd be interested in.
10:01I understand.
10:01It appears to me that Mr. Tennyson has had zero benefit.
10:07He paid for 13 months.
10:09He paid the majority of the deposit.
10:11So right now, I'm not seeing any basis for a lawsuit.
10:15So as I said, Your Honor, I wanted to cancel...
10:17I don't care whether you did or not.
10:19You went on a vacation afterwards.
10:20So he said that...
10:20You went on a vacation afterwards.
10:22He said he did not want to cancel the package.
10:24He wanted to keep it and he was going to be responsible for it.
10:27I have text messages and voicemail statements.
10:29Just a second.
10:30I would like to see if that's the case, unless he acknowledges.
10:34Did you say to her, I want to keep the package and I'll pay for the whole thing?
10:38Yeah.
10:39I said, yes, wouldn't do it 50-50 because she couldn't afford it.
10:41That is not correct.
10:42No, no, no.
10:43That's not what I asked you, sir.
10:45What I asked you, Mr. Tennyson, was, did you say to her, after you had broken up, within
10:51this cancellation period, did you say to her, keep the package, I'll pay for the whole thing?
10:58Yes.
10:59Okay.
11:00I'd like to see.
11:02What date did you break up, Mr. Tennyson?
11:03Honestly, I don't even remember.
11:05No.
11:06You have to remember.
11:08You went on vacation on the 19th.
11:09A week later.
11:10Where were you when you broke up?
11:12At the house.
11:13At whose house?
11:14Ashley's.
11:15At her house?
11:16Yes.
11:17Tell me what happened.
11:18We got into an argument and we had broken up.
11:20Well, tell me what the argument was about.
11:22It was me drinking.
11:23Okay.
11:24When you had that argument on the 29th, you were fighting over his drinking?
11:28Yes, ma'am.
11:29Is he drunk?
11:30Yes, ma'am.
11:31Okay.
11:32And did he come home drunk?
11:33Yes, ma'am.
11:34He came home drunk.
11:35So you told him he had to leave?
11:36Yes, ma'am.
11:37He left the house within 15 days of your signing this contract.
11:43Yes, ma'am.
11:44Now I'd like to see the text message.
11:46There's just some of them right there.
11:48I have...
11:49Just a second.
11:51Your Honor, there is a 10-day grace period, but it has to be submitted to Windham in writing
11:59of the intent to cancel.
12:01Okay.
12:03This is in September.
12:04This is well after the cancellation period.
12:06Yes, there were no messages exchanged.
12:08Okay.
12:09Right after then.
12:10Right.
12:11So he's paid for 13 months.
12:12Yes, ma'am.
12:13And you paid for 11, and he paid for the majority of the deposit.
12:15So I'm not entertaining that.
12:17What else do you think he's responsible for?
12:19According to you, you went on a trip with your daughter, and someone canceled the reservation.
12:23Yes.
12:24So, as I said...
12:25Just...
12:26Understand this.
12:27People who choose to live together without benefit of marriage should not engage in buying
12:33things jointly.
12:34A pet, a car, a vacation package, a timeshare, a ring, a Picasso, anything.
12:45Because 50% of the marriages in this country fail, and substantially more relationships
12:51fail.
12:52So you don't owe somebody for a month and then go get a vacation package.
12:57He did the right thing.
12:58He paid for at least half.
12:59I'm not hearing any of it.
13:00Do you understand?
13:01Yes.
13:02Great.
13:03Now, you say that you and your daughter used the points again.
13:07You went once, and you were using the points again.
13:09From when to when?
13:10I scheduled it in February of 2021.
13:13Our vacation was supposed to be June 11th through the 17th, 2021.
13:18Okay.
13:19And what you say is, on the way there, you were driving there with your daughter to this
13:24vacation package, and you were advised, once you got there, that it was canceled?
13:29No, ma'am.
13:30When you were driving, my phone beeped.
13:32I looked down, and it was an email stating your reservation was canceled.
13:36I pulled over onto the side of the road.
13:38I read the email.
13:39It stated my reservation was canceled.
13:41I'd like to see it.
13:42Yes, ma'am.
13:43Email that I received, and I'll go ahead and give you the cancellation policy as well.
13:50No, no.
13:51Don't give me a cancellation policy.
13:52Okay.
13:53Just give me the email.
13:55Okay.
13:58Okay.
13:59So, your reservation, they said, had been canceled.
14:04Pendant, so far, has been, so far, has been a stand-up guy, and paying for 13 months of
14:10a club he didn't use, that you used, that he paid for three quarters of the down payment.
14:17You paid a quarter of it.
14:19Doesn't sound to me as if he was a cad.
14:24Okay.
14:25So, your reservation, they said, had been canceled.
14:39Yes, ma'am.
14:40So, I pulled over to the side of the road, and I called.
14:41I said, this is incorrect.
14:42We're actually on our way.
14:43We're driving.
14:44You can't tell me what they said to you.
14:45Okay.
14:46That is fine.
14:47Okay.
14:48So, your reservation, they said, had been canceled.
14:51Yes, ma'am.
14:52So, I pulled over to the side of the road, and I called.
14:54I said, this is incorrect.
14:56We're actually on our way.
14:57We're driving.
14:58You can't tell me what they said to you.
15:00Okay.
15:01That is fine.
15:02So...
15:03You got a notice that your reservation was canceled.
15:04Got a notice the reservation was canceled.
15:05I called, and I asked what had happened.
15:06They told me.
15:07I won't tell you.
15:08You can't.
15:09I won't tell you what they told me.
15:10That prompted me to call Mr. Tennyson.
15:13I asked him.
15:14Can I tell you what he told me in that conversation?
15:15Absolutely.
15:16Okay.
15:17He's here.
15:18He's a party.
15:19Okay.
15:20He can defend himself.
15:21In that conversation, I asked him how he could cancel our vacation.
15:25We're on our way.
15:26Do you remember a phone call that you received from her on the road?
15:29Yes, she called me.
15:30Okay.
15:31I want you to relate to me the conversation.
15:33Be very careful to tell me the truth.
15:36She just accused me right off the bat of canceling,
15:39and if I would call Wyndham with her,
15:42in which I didn't have a problem with doing that.
15:45Did you call Wyndham with her?
15:46No, because she sent me a text message just going straight into a tag
15:51about cancellation, so I just, I didn't.
15:54Okay.
15:55Did you, Mr. Tennyson, cancel this reservation?
15:59No.
16:00He absolutely did.
16:01Okay.
16:02Did you know that Miss Ford was going on a vacation
16:06and using the package?
16:08No, I hadn't.
16:09You got no notice?
16:11No notice, no, I didn't know anything.
16:13Okay.
16:14So the phone call that you got from her in June of this year
16:19was the first time you had spoken to her in how long?
16:22Six months, seven months.
16:24Okay.
16:25Now it's your obligation to show me proof that Mr. Tennyson canceled this reservation.
16:30Yes, ma'am.
16:31I said that I would give him a call back.
16:32I would call Wyndham and ask that he would stay by his phone and answer.
16:36I called shortly thereafter and he did not answer.
16:39That is when I sent the text stating that he had canceled it or that I assumed he had canceled it or was told.
16:45This is an email.
16:46Just a second.
16:47You can't slip it in there.
16:49All I want from you is proof he's been so far relatively honest with me and he's been relatively fair with you.
16:57Yes, ma'am.
16:58He's paid for a vacation package, more than half of it, that he never used.
17:02You and your daughter were at least going to use it twice.
17:05So, so far, you know, aside from the fact that he had or hopefully had a drinking problem and no longer has it,
17:13that would be smart.
17:15I need non-hearsay proof that he canceled this reservation.
17:19He says he did not.
17:20This is an email from Wyndham stating...
17:23No, no, don't tell me what it's stated.
17:25With a screenshot from their system.
17:27Don't tell me what it says.
17:36Would you bring up your phone, please?
17:40Give the phone to Kevin.
17:44Kevin, would you hand that phone to Sarah?
17:48Sarah, go to June 10th, 2021, 518 p.m.
17:55It would be Wyndham Club Reservation, perhaps.
18:00The thing that's interesting to me, Ms. Ford, is that according to what you've given me, at 518 p.m.
18:08Mm-hmm.
18:09They claim that the reservation was canceled and you were supposed to check in on the 10th.
18:14On the 11th.
18:15On the 11th.
18:16And you had made this booking six months in advance.
18:19Yes, ma'am.
18:20So it was a long time.
18:21Mm-hmm.
18:22Within eight minutes, they contacted you.
18:26I contacted them.
18:27Because you had received a cancellation notice.
18:30Yes, ma'am.
18:31Within eight minutes.
18:32Yes, ma'am.
18:33Of him allegedly calling them.
18:35They notified you that the reservation had been canceled.
18:39You said, hold it.
18:40I didn't cancel that reservation.
18:42And the club said to you, I'm sorry, we already gave away that room.
18:46Yes, ma'am.
18:47That sounds suspect to me unless I can find something here from his email account.
18:54It is beyond my imagination that within nine minutes of receiving this cancellation, contacting
19:05you, all in that nine-minute period, saying this reservation has been canceled, you pulling
19:10over, calling them immediately, saying, because this is all a mistake, that they gave away your
19:16accommodations.
19:17And I can't tell you what they told me, can I?
19:18Just a second.
19:19No, you cannot tell me what they told you.
19:21Because unless she can find something in there, he's not responsible for your vacation.
19:27I don't find what he's told me suspect.
19:29But I...
19:30If I can find some communication with him, that's fine.
19:34This is still hearsay.
19:35And I don't have...
19:36And why wouldn't I have gone to...
19:37Why?
19:38Why wouldn't I have gone?
19:39This has been somewhat of an experience between myself and family members and friends who
19:46have these club arrangements.
19:49Things happen and there's double booking.
19:52There are problems with reservations.
19:54Fendon, so far, has been, so far, has been a stand-up guy and paying for 13 months of
20:01a club he didn't use, that you used, that he paid for three-quarters of the down payment.
20:08You paid a quarter of it.
20:10Doesn't sound to me as if he was a cad.
20:12So I'm not figuring out why somebody who hadn't spoken to you in six months would call and
20:19cancel an upcoming reservation that he knew nothing about.
20:23Unless she can find something in his email, then a mistake.
20:26I agree that he knew about the vacation, not necessarily that one, but whenever I booked
20:30the one in October, I never told him about that.
20:33He knew about that because I had messages where he was telling me, enjoy the vacation.
20:37I'm not talking about in October.
20:39I'm talking about the following June.
20:41You hadn't spoken to him in six months.
20:43Right, Your Honor, I can prove in history that he is spiteful and that he is very vindictive
20:48and...
20:49Madam, this is not Dr. Phil.
20:51It's a court.
20:52I understand.
20:53And so far, I don't find any of his conduct egregious.
20:56Or that he took financial advantage of you.
20:59There are emails from the 10th and the 11th, but none regarding the vacation package.
21:07Nothing on the 10th.
21:09And there are other emails there on the 10th.
21:12Uh, yes.
21:13Okay.
21:14Did you finally have a vacation with your daughter?
21:16Yes, ma'am.
21:17Good.
21:18And you paid for it?
21:19Yes, ma'am.
21:20Your case is dismissed.
21:21We've finished here.
21:23Court is adjourned.
21:26He never takes responsibility for his actions.
21:28He has a right to how she feels.
21:30He denies everything.
21:31He constantly goes to insults, mean jabs.
21:34He's like a child whenever he's angry.
21:36Eh, just a bunch of jabs.
21:37Just childish.
21:38Obviously, don't be stupid and go into any type of a contract with someone that you're
21:42not married to.
21:44That defendant had thousands of emails there.
21:48Scrolling through took a minute, but there was nothing from Wyndham.
21:51There was nothing from the date.
21:52And I agree with you that I don't think he would have gone through all of those emails
21:56as I did and delete just the one email.
21:59I actually thought what he did, continuing to pay without using the program, knowing that
22:06she was using the program, was pretty reasonable.
22:09The lesson is never learned.
22:12Don't buy a dog.
22:14Don't buy a vacation package.
22:17Because you think it's going to all bring you together.
22:19It's usually unsuccessful.
22:21It's kept me in business for a quarter of a century.
22:25But it's really not a smart thing to do.
22:29Want justice?
22:30Go to JudyJustice.TV.
22:51Good.
22:52Bye.