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00:00There was an argument that was on Bourbon Street.
00:03He was yelling at me in front of everyone.
00:06He left them downtown and went back to the hotel.
00:10He then left you with the hotel and went back to Texas.
00:13That is correct.
00:15I've learned to avoid long road trips.
00:18Just to me, I know.
00:20This is Judy Justice.
00:30Kiana Guidry is suing her ex-boyfriend, Tovon Hughes, for a car down payment, travel costs,
00:46and the value of her belongings.
00:48Court come to order.
00:50Be seated, please.
00:53Good morning, Judge.
00:56Case number 1103, Guidry v. Hughes.
00:59Well, Ms. Guidry, I have several questions for you.
01:02How old are you?
01:0328 years old.
01:05What kind of work do you do?
01:06I have a small online business, but I'm not currently employed right now.
01:10What is the nature of the online business?
01:12Cosmetics.
01:13Make any money at it?
01:14A little bit.
01:15I mean, I was just starting out very small.
01:18Other than your business, how do you support yourself?
01:20I do Uber, like DoorDash, stuff like that.
01:24And before you became involved with the defendant, who were you living with?
01:28My brother and I had an apartment together.
01:30And then, what I gather, around 2018, you met the defendant.
01:34Yes.
01:35And then, in the summer of 2020, you became a couple.
01:38Yes, ma'am.
01:39According to you, in the summer of 2019, the defendant gave you money to put down on a car.
01:45Yes.
01:46How much money did he give you to put down on the car?
01:47He gave me $1,000.
01:49And when in 2019 did he give you $1,000?
01:52That was in September.
01:54Okay.
01:55One of the things that was curious to me when you decided to move in together, you said you
02:00moved in with a goddaughter.
02:02Yes, ma'am.
02:03Did she live with you during the whole time that you were living with the defendant?
02:06No, ma'am.
02:07Well, where does she go when she's not with you?
02:09Well, she was living with her mother, but some family issues, and then she came to live
02:15with us.
02:16Okay.
02:17Well, then I'm gonna get back to that in a moment.
02:18Okay.
02:19So, gave you the down payment in September of 2019.
02:23Then you decided to trade in that car, use that car as a down payment, and buy another
02:28car.
02:29Yes, ma'am.
02:30Another car that was in both your names?
02:33Yes.
02:34Correct.
02:35He convinced me to put it in...
02:36Both your names.
02:37It was in my name and her name, yes.
02:38Yeah.
02:39Both your names.
02:40Right.
02:41So, part of this case revolves around this car, because when you had some sort of a kerfuffle
02:46in May of 2021, when you went on a road trip with this car, listen, I've learned to avoid
02:53long road trips.
02:54The road trip was nice.
02:55Long road trips with children, long road trips with mates, you know, certain things are
02:59very stressful on a road trip, unless everybody can watch a movie on there.
03:04Mm-hmm.
03:05Anyway, you traveled from Texas to New Orleans, and from what I gather, there was an argument
03:11that was in New Orleans on Bourbon Street.
03:14You got annoyed, you left him on Bourbon Street, then he left you in New Orleans.
03:18That's...
03:19No, that is not...
03:20That's exactly how it went.
03:23You had a fight in New Orleans, not in the car, outside of the car, in a restaurant,
03:28on the street.
03:29It was on the street.
03:30It was on the street.
03:31He was yelling at me in front of everyone about something so insane, and I asked him
03:35multiple times, can you chill?
03:36That's...
03:37We're trying to enjoy my birthday.
03:38It was my birthday.
03:39It was the day after my birthday.
03:40Okay.
03:41And he would not chill, so I was like, you know what, let's just go, because you killed
03:44my vibe, so let's just go.
03:46So, we're...
03:47She left on her arm.
03:48Blup, blup, blup, blup!
03:49Well, don't.
03:50Try not to say anything.
03:52Okay.
03:53Again.
03:54All right.
03:55It's gonna come down to the fact that she said, I lost my vibe.
03:58Right.
03:59Let's just go.
04:00And she left.
04:01Yes.
04:02I told him, let's go.
04:03Well, not let's go together.
04:05Yes, let's go together.
04:06Let's go back to the hotel, because I don't want to be here anymore.
04:09I'm not just gonna leave him.
04:10We're in his car, first of all.
04:11And we came back together.
04:12No, you weren't in the car at the time you had the argument.
04:14That's what you just told me.
04:15No, we drove there and parked.
04:16You were outside the car.
04:17There and parked.
04:18And you said, just let's go.
04:19When you said, just let's go, where did you go?
04:23I proceeded to walk to the car where we parked at.
04:25Okay.
04:26And where did he go?
04:27He was behind me, but then as I'm walking, I turn around and he's gone.
04:31Okay.
04:32So, I turn around and I go back to where we were initially standing.
04:34Just a second.
04:35Did you go back to the hotel?
04:37Yes.
04:38Did you go back to the hotel together?
04:40No.
04:41Did you go back to the hotel?
04:43No, I did not.
04:44Were your things at the hotel?
04:45Yes.
04:46Did you just leave them there?
04:47Yes.
04:48What things were there?
04:49My luggage.
04:50Okay.
04:51Did you ever...
04:52My cell phone and also my wallet.
04:53Well, how did you get those things?
04:55I ended up getting an Uber, not an Uber, but a Lyft, at about 5 a.m. Saturday morning,
05:02back to the hotel to get my things.
05:04Was there any drinking involved during this time?
05:06That is correct.
05:07Oh.
05:08Because she was going to buy everything.
05:09Just a second.
05:10Now I'm getting a clearer picture.
05:11Right.
05:12So you got back to the hotel at about 5 a.m.
05:13Was the plaintiff there?
05:14Yes, she was there.
05:15Okay.
05:16He comes back at 5 o'clock.
05:17He gathers his things.
05:18Mm-hmm.
05:19Do you have any conversation?
05:20Yes.
05:21He walks into the hotel room and he slams the door extremely hard and he starts yelling
05:26at the top of his lungs, why would you leave me downtown in New Orleans?
05:30Just a second.
05:31And I was really scared so I didn't say anything.
05:32Just a second.
05:33Had you taken the car back to the hotel?
05:35Yes, I did.
05:36Okay.
05:37So you had an argument with him.
05:38Mm-hmm.
05:39And you were not near the hotel.
05:41You were far enough away from the hotel to drive there.
05:44Yeah, about seven minutes.
05:45I don't care.
05:46To drive there.
05:47And when you got back to the hotel, his phone was there, right?
05:52Yes, ma'am.
05:53His wallet was there.
05:54Yes, ma'am.
05:55All of the things that would have enabled him to get back unless he walked back...
05:59Yes, ma'am.
06:00...to the hotel.
06:01So, in effect, you left him downtown and went back to the hotel.
06:05After looking for him for an hour.
06:07Not after that.
06:08That's either a yes or a no.
06:09Yes.
06:10You left him downtown.
06:11He then left you with the hotel, took the car, and went back to Texas.
06:16Correct.
06:17Let's do it simply.
06:19This is not a novel.
06:21It may be a novella, but it's not a novel.
06:23So, you stranded him downtown New Orleans.
06:26He stranded you in Louisiana.
06:28Yes.
06:29That's part of your case, how you got back from Louisiana to Texas.
06:32That's not my problem.
06:33That's your problem.
06:34You got yourself back to Texas.
06:36This whole case revolves around this car.
06:38And also my belongings that he disposed of.
06:40Okay.
06:41We'll get to belongings.
06:42Yes, ma'am.
06:45Make sure you tell me everything that's true.
06:47Understand?
06:48Because you see how fair I am?
06:49Yes.
06:50That can turn on you in a dime.
06:51Okay.
06:52All right?
06:53All right.
06:54Perfect.
06:59What's your name?
07:00Kiana Ghidry claimed her Ex-Boyfriend to Von Hughes.
07:01Owes for a car down payment, travel cost, and the value of her belongings.
07:14You now have the car.
07:15Which car?
07:16The car that's in both your names.
07:17No.
07:18I no longer have the car.
07:19Where is it?
07:20I gave the car back.
07:21Oh.
07:22You gave it back to the company that you bought it from?
07:25Correct.
07:26there was a car loan on it that is correct and so neither of you are obligated under the car loan
07:31anymore that is correct was there any loss on the car uh yes how much about three thousand dollars
07:38of a difference between what was owed on the car and what it was worth okay and did the plaintiff
07:45share with you the difference of what you lost on the car no the plaintiff never paid for okay
07:51any of it so i'm dismissing that part of your case that wants money for a car when two people
07:57aren't married and they sort of complicate their finances courts are disinclined unless there's
08:04some real unfairness to get involved with that you decided to do that it was ridiculous i keep telling
08:10people i've told people for a quarter of a century don't do that it's ridiculous to get so involved
08:15yeah don't move in with your boyfriend and decide to solidify the relationship by getting a dog
08:22or a pony or a car or in anything it's ridiculous he did the absolute right thing
08:29he turned the car back because you weren't going to easily sign off on the car no he didn't want to be
08:36obligated on a car and be paying off on a car that you partially owned because your name is on the title
08:42he did the absolutely smart thing turned in the car took a loss just like you did so he would tell
08:50the car from me i couldn't even say hey let me take the car no i make no no no you can't you know
08:57what did i tell you right no he wasn't going to do that because you weren't going to do that
09:02you see how would well i'm going to tell you i'm going to tell you why because i've been doing this
09:07for a long time if he gave you the opportunity the loan company which now has two people on the hook
09:16for money isn't going to say okay we're going to take the person who's a wage earner off the obligation
09:23to pay for this car and we're going to let just you who occasionally drives for uber and has a small
09:30business be the primary and sole obligor on this loan no lending company would do that that's why
09:38the smartest thing to do was to do exactly what he did he has removed the obligation of either one
09:45of you to pay on this car he took a hit on the loss just like you took a hit on the payments that
09:50you made on the car since he put down the down payment for that year so make believe you rented a
09:56car for a year and you had the use of a car for a year i assume you had another car i did okay so
10:02you used the car you used the car for driving uber according to you occasionally so the part of your
10:08lawsuit that requests money for the car is dismissed now we're going to get to that part of your lawsuit
10:14that asks for your property back i'd like to know specifically because this is what happened you
10:20finally made your way back to texas he had stuff packed up you say you got some of the stuff
10:26that was there but there was a lot of stuff missing you called the police you went in with
10:30the police they looked around and you say that you left items in the house that belonged to you
10:36that he's retained so tell me specifically and i don't want to hear about a hair dryer i don't want
10:43to hear about makeup i don't want to hear about two pairs of shoes or three pairs of jeans that's not
10:50what this whole thing is set up for what large ticket items do you say he didn't return to you
10:56when he packed your things like my business supplies okay business supplies tell me exactly
11:03what business supplies so i had um my eyelashes i had about 80 pairs that i was selling okay do you know
11:11what happened to her 80 pairs of eyelashes no i do not what else make sure you tell me everything that's
11:19true you understand because you see how fair i am yes that can turn on you in a dime okay all right
11:25all right perfect i mean i don't have a ton of just a second what else mostly just my business stuff
11:32really but all of my other stuff like i had just bought a bunch of clothes a bunch of shoes like
11:38literally everything that i own was in that house because we lived together all of my stuff was there
11:42i want you to tell me exactly what date and time you went to the house and he gave you
11:49some of the stuff that was there um it was on july first seven one june first june first and the
11:57trip was in may yes the end of may may 28th now when he gave you your things what were they packed in
12:04it was a wagon that i had he had like a suitcase and it contained some of no you mean a wagon that you
12:09pull yeah the wagon that you pull okay so in that wagon was a suitcase what else inside of the
12:16suitcase he didn't throw away my led mirrors that i sell as well your what led mirrors that's something
12:23for my business as well okay and um my passport was in there my laptop was in there so that's big
12:28yes now when did you purchase this laptop the beginning of 2020 end of 2019 okay who purchased it
12:35who paid for it me it came out of my i did it came out of my account money provided by me into
12:42her account the money was a gift just a second and what just a second no no no no listen to me miss
12:48gidry let's not play games because there's a reason for my asking you these questions if i believe what
12:55you say in your complaint which was your role was to stay home take care of the house not work and he was
13:00providing for everything so if he bought you a laptop as a gift that's a gift you're entitled to
13:06take it if he bought you an led whatever it is if he provided the income that provided this cash that
13:14paid for it and he gave it to you that was a gift that's fine but he did return that to you because
13:21those were gifts so he wasn't saying i paid for it therefore it's mine there was an understanding that
13:28he had that they were purchased with his funds as the source but he recognized that they were
13:34a gift so he returned it to you what else was in the suitcase in the wagon bubble mailers like mailers
13:42for me to mail out my products and okay so he returned business items is not an answer yes ma'am business
13:52items what else was in the wagon that's really all i can remember just a second were there any clothes in
13:58the wagon any clothes no ma'am the only clothes that i had was the clothes that i went to new
14:02orleans with okay where were the rest of her clothes the other clothes that she did have she had already
14:07gotten her clothes from the apartment we had been back and forth with issues and so she was in and out
14:14of the apartment all the time when you say she was in and out of the apartment all the time going to
14:19her brother's house and she would go to her brother's house and take clothes when you left for new
14:24orleans she had a lot of stuff at her brother's house is that what you're telling me that's correct
14:28okay the thing she had at the apartment she took with her to new orleans except for these some business
14:33items correct that were there that you did put in the yes that i gave to her when she returned to houston
14:39okay
14:43do you have any proof that he acknowledged that he had property of yours in your home after the
14:49breakup that he threw away that's either a yes or no yes i'd like to see it because you know my mind
14:55is always capable of being changed
15:01i'm curious where the goddaughter was when you went on this trip to new orleans and when you came back
15:26where was the goddaughter she was with her mom and he also disposed of her things as well what i'm
15:32just not following is why sometimes with her mom now you're back living with your brother no i have
15:38my own place now the only reason why she was with her mom that weekend is because we went to new orleans
15:42just a second you have to understand my background is family court so if you say you moved in with him
15:48in texas with your goddaughter there's a family court reason why she wasn't with her mother we never
15:56went to court it was just a family thing like i took the responsibility of having her there's a
16:01reason for that and i'm just curious what happened to her when you went on this trip to new orleans
16:08if she's not going to answer me i'm going to let you answer me yes she was probably with her brother
16:13that's where the little girl went when we went to new orleans we stopped in lafayette louisiana
16:18and dropped her meet her mom that is not correct you really go on the high court she knows that's not
16:24correct that is definitely correct yeah how long did she live with you about a couple of weeks oh
16:31she was only with you a couple of weeks not true she was not with us more than a couple of weeks she
16:35was with us we lived in the house together i have a copy of the lease i'm on the lease i live at the
16:40house i have a youtube channel i'm in the house every single day not you i'm talking about your god
16:46daughter yeah she lived with us for how long is my question for a couple of months like okay not a
16:54couple of months like so she lived with you for a couple of months what months did she live with
16:58you i just would like to know so she lived with us from like not like i take out the word like it's
17:04a filler word don't ever use it again okay sorry except if you want to say i like you but other than
17:09that don't use the word like she lived with you from when to when from march of 2021 okay until
17:17the breakup okay who is she living with now with me and you're living alone yes ma'am do you have
17:23custody of her i don't have court custody no ma'am i have guardianship you have guardianship through
17:29a court no not through a court any reason why not we just never went that route it was just an
17:34understanding that she's going to stay with me well you know you have to permanently plan for this
17:39child's future yes ma'am that's an important thing i see that you have a certain affection for her
17:45and it's fair for a child to know where they're going to be yes ma'am and if you're stepping in
17:50to do that good for you but child should have some sort of a plan okay now did you dispose of any of
17:57miss kiddry's clothing shoes anything else even if you bought it no do you have anything of hers in
18:04your home that belongs to her no i do not and when i allowed the police officer to come through the home
18:10i allowed him to go in every single room of that home to check it out to see if she had anything
18:15okay and there was nothing there of hers because she didn't have anything of that because you threw
18:19it all away he doesn't have anything that belongs to you now this is what you're asking for money owed
18:24for travel expenses those are the travel expenses that you incurred moving from louisiana back to texas
18:32because he took the car and went home you had a fight that's what happens he just traveled
18:36shorter distance when you left him on bourbon street car down payment i've already dealt with
18:41he did the absolute right thing by returning the car he doesn't have any property of yours he had
18:47all of my property right now right now he has none of your property he knows i don't have any of her
18:54property just a second don't don't argue everything just don't please do me a favor don't argue with me
19:00right now i have to make a decision about who i rely on and mr hughes says which is supported by his
19:09conduct that big ticket items like laptops which are expensive which clearly he paid for he gave to
19:18you so since he gave you things that had value that he paid for why would he keep your shoes why would
19:26he throw no no no no no no don't say why i don't answer questions do you have any proof that he
19:32acknowledged that he had property of yours in your home after the breakup which would have been around
19:38june 1st when you came with the police that he threw away that's either a yes or no yes i'd like to see
19:45it because you know my mind is always capable of being changed i'll take it i'll take it that's what i said
19:56yeah the only thing he says here is i want closure and that was on may 29th you have to
20:09the end of next week to secure your things he says are they will be disposed of and this was on may
20:1629th and according to what i heard i believe june 1st is the day you went there with the police is that
20:22right yeah that was within that week yes okay your case is dismissed we're finished thank you
20:26very much so court is adjourned
20:31okay so this man came after me i cared about kiana i did a lot of things for her and i told him
20:37like okay well you know i like to be taken care of including you know paying for her things that she
20:45didn't have i like to be provided for he agreed to everything he even and that's the way it was made
20:51sure i had money on a specific day every day she was taking advantage exactly he did that on his own
20:56i got closure that i've been mourning for a very long time so i'm happy with the verdict
21:01so what do you think you know i've number one lesson i've learned since being here don't co-sign don't
21:07co-own anything with anyone that's not your legally married husband wife partner because these problems
21:15arise all the time and courts don't want to be involved in people's petty relationship drama right
21:20we don't want to decide whether those are your underpants or somebody else's underpants exactly
21:25you know my father used to say keep it simple stupid use the kiss it principle keep it simple
21:30you're absolutely right i'm glad you learned a lesson
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