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00:00the aid away from. And of course, that makes global news. So that's a different situation.
00:04But there has been some situation where the crowd gets out of control or there's a threat perceived.
00:09The Israelis have fired weapons. And the accusation is that the Israelis have been
00:15shooting into the crowd indiscriminately. The other accusation is that the Israelis have been
00:19withholding aid deliberately in order to punish the Palestinian residents of Gaza,
00:27punishing a people. That is a clear violation of the international law of war. It's a violation of
00:32the Geneva Convention. You cannot hold an entire population responsible for what's happening by
00:40the regime or by Hamas or whatever. So if that's true, then yes, Israel would be, if they were doing
00:48that for that intent and that was what was going on, yes, that would be a war crime. They would be
00:55obviously in violation of the international law, Geneva Convention, a number of other things I
00:59could think of. That would be absolutely wrong. The question gets into intent. Just because
01:04something's happening on the ground doesn't mean that's necessarily the intent of what the Israelis
01:09are trying to do. And that's where you end up having, if you have an international court of justice,
01:16that's where you would make arguments on that. But that is the problem. Is what we're seeing
01:23really the response? Is that really what the Israelis are doing? Is that a policy thing as
01:28the Israelis? Or is that just a horrible situation? Of course, one looks at it and they'd say,
01:33well, yeah, Israel went in there. So everything that's wrong in there, because Israel has 75% of
01:39the territory, they have military forces there, proponents of force, everything else.
01:42One would say, okay, therefore the Israelis are responsible. But are they really responsible?
01:47That's the big question. So Hal, let's get to the aid question. There seems to be a lot of finger
01:52pointing going on between these various entities and groups and parties, the Israelis, the Gaza
01:58Humanitarian Fund, UN-backed groups. I'm reading yet again from the Jerusalem Post. This is from
02:04Tuesday. They say this in their reporting, that the IDF provided several reasons as to why the UN
02:11trucks have been sitting by the border. Some had to do with the UN's refusal to abide by the IDF's
02:17regulations about which products could go in and which could not, something that the IDF could
02:22alleviate by lowering its standards temporarily. But other reasons concern the UN's unwillingness
02:29to move through certain areas that the IDF said were secure, but that the UN did not take its word for
02:35it, refusing to advance. So I think that that's the dynamics at play here. He said, she said, who's in
02:45charge, finger pointing about. A lot of aid that's there or on the sidelines just hasn't been distributed
02:52yet. So I guess that goes back to my previous question. How can Israel be committing a famine on
02:58the gods and people if there's all this aid just laying around, ready to be taken?
03:02That's exactly what Israel says is, look, we have all this aid there, but we're relying on those
03:07trucks to get through. And for whatever reason, the UN has said those routes are not safe. Now,
03:13in fairness, some aid convoys have been overrun by desperate people trying to get aid. They
03:21literally just jump onto the moving trucks and they're throwing stuff off. And by the time the
03:25truck gets to where it's going, there's nothing on the truck. In other cases, they've been stopped by
03:30criminal gangs, armed gangs that take it off. And of course, Hamas also rips off these aid trucks
03:37all the time. And Hamas has run out of money to pay for its Hamas fighters. So they're desperate for
03:43any way to do that. And one of the ways you pay for them is you steal aid and then you sell it on
03:47the black market for an incredible markup. And so all of these things make it a very dangerous
03:53situation. The question is, are those routes actually safe? Is what the UN is saying true? Is it
03:59impossible for those trucks to get in there? Is that an excuse or is that really the situation
04:03on the ground? Are the Israelis lying about or are basically exaggerating the amount of safety
04:10that is incumbent with those routes? That's where the, pardon the expression of the ground truth
04:16needs to be discovered, which is can they get the aid in there? And of course, now they're going to
04:20the more extreme thing, which is they're back to parachute dropping aid, which is very inefficient.
04:27It's not a great way to get a lot of aid in there. And it's very dangerous, particularly now,
04:32because you have so many desperate people that when they see these pallets on parachutes coming down,
04:39they are very likely going to start moving towards the pallets. And if they do,
04:44you're going to see casualties occur on the field. So I was going to ask you about that. I mean,
04:50you answered my question, you know, airdrops of humanitarian aid, you know, is that any better
04:55as far as efficiency goes? You answer that question. The Jerusalem Post also puts it this way,
05:00that Israel says it lets in enough aid and has faulted UN agencies for not doing enough to retrieve
05:06and get it to those in need. So Israel's role here, and I think maybe this gets lost, Israel's role
05:12is not in delivering and distributing the aid to Gazans. It's about letting it cross into the
05:19strip via these crossings, right? That's it, exactly. And there are means to get it in there.
05:25What they're saying is, look, they're not picking up the aid. We've done everything that we're supposed
05:29to do. We're letting them cross in there. Now, as far as what they're not allowing to go in,
05:33that's where you get into some very significant questions about what they will allow to go in.
05:38And the reason why is there's a lot of reasons why certain parts of aid, they do not want to go
05:44in there because they know it's going to probably get ripped off and go right to Hamas. But the
05:50question is, is Israel fulfilling on what they say they're supposed to be doing? And the other thing
05:56I always remember on this is what we're hearing is very much the Hamas narrative. And the other thing
06:02that I'm hearing is, look, when they kicked out all those non-governmental organizations,
06:06when they kicked out the UN, the UN was not happy about that. The non-governmental organizations
06:12were really not happy about that. Yeah. And they have not... But Hal, this is the United Nation
06:18and agencies affiliated with saying it. Are you saying they're preaching from the same hymnal?
06:24I'm saying that they seem to be saying, their narrative seems to be eerily similar to what the
06:30Hamas narrative is on this. And they have a reason. They're not happy. They don't want this
06:35GHF thing in there. They want to go back to the way it was with UNRWA delivering aid. And I understand
06:41that. And there's been a lot of frustration with the UN on how the aid has got in there and the fact
06:46that they were essentially kicked out by the Israelis from doing that. So they would like to go back in.
06:52And when they... But what I will say is this, all right? Hamas has the narrative. It's obviously
06:57an anti-Israel narrative. But the UN has picked up on a number of those same talking points,
07:04whether you say it's by coincidence or because they both see the ground the same way,
07:08or for whatever reason. It does seem to be a cacophony, if you will, of the same lines over and
07:16over from a bunch of different parties. All right. Hal Kemper, we're going to have to leave it at that.
07:22On this Friday night, we could talk about this conflict for hours. But we're going to move
07:26on. Thanks so much, Hal. Have a good weekend. Okay. Thank you, Andrew. All right. In the
07:31meantime here, last final look there in southern Israel, looking into the Gaza envelope. It's
07:37about 6.15 on a very early Saturday morning there. We'll see you after this.
07:52Good.
07:55All right.
10:04Deputy Attorney General Tom Blanche on Friday wrapping up his two-day interview with Maxwell at the Federal Porthouse over in Tallahassee, Florida.
10:13She's currently there serving out a 20-year prison sentence after being convicted of sex trafficking minors.
10:20The DOJ interview comes just weeks before Maxwell is expected to testify before lawmakers after the House Oversight Committee issued a subpoena for August 11th.
10:31As always, so much to discuss here, so I do want to bring in Dave Ehrenberg, managing partner at Dave Ehrenberg Law, who served just a few months ago, up until a few months ago, as state attorney over in Palm Beach County, Florida.
10:45Dave, as always, thank you so much for taking the time to join us here on Live Now from Fox.
10:51Great to be with you, Josh. Thanks for having me.
10:53Of course. And first off, I did want to ask you overall, because as I mentioned, the DOJ did wrap up that two-day interview with Ghislaine Maxwell.
11:02What does that say to you about the future here and the current situation involving those Epstein files?
11:10Josh, it's highly unusual for the number-two person at the Department of Justice to conduct such an interview himself.
11:18Remember, Todd Blanche, the number-two person there, was Donald Trump's personal defense lawyer.
11:23So that raises questions as to what is the motivation here?
11:27Is it to get more information on third parties who are involved with sex trafficking, or is it to CYA for the boss?
11:35That's the big question here.
11:37So I would hope that whatever she said would be recorded and it would be vetted by career professionals so that it doesn't get caught up in an intentional game of telephone where only the most exculpatory parts come out in favor of the boss,
11:53meaning that it doesn't just get put out there as, well, she just exonerated Donald Trump, and that's it, so we're done closing the file.
12:01So the public demands answers. They want transparency.
12:05And I'm not so sure that having Todd Blanche do a private interview with Ghislaine Maxwell is going to get you there, because both sides want something.
12:14Ghislaine Maxwell wants a pardon from President Trump, and President Trump wants complete exoneration from Ghislaine Maxwell.
12:21So it doesn't really bode well for the belief in transparency and openness by what's going on so far.
12:29And on that note here, talking about a pardon, I do want to play for you a quick statement that was made by Ghislaine Maxwell's attorney.
12:36She was, he was asked about the idea of a pardon, and I want to play this right here.
12:41You know, we're going to take one day at a time.
12:43I know that's very cliche, but it's true, because things are happening so quickly.
12:48We haven't spoken to the president or anybody about a pardon just yet.
12:54And, you know, listen, the president this morning said he had the power to do so.
13:00We hope he exercises that power in the right and just way.
13:03All right, so what do you make of that statement there from Ghislaine Maxwell's attorney, essentially saying they haven't asked, quote-unquote, just yet?
13:12You know, I know that lawyer, that's David Marcus.
13:15He's a good lawyer, well-respected, and a good guy.
13:18But he's advocating for his client, and he knows that President Trump is transactional and that Ghislaine Maxwell has a chance, believe it or not, to get a pardon from President Trump, perhaps on Trump's way out of office, because it would be so controversial.
13:34But the seeds are already being planted.
13:36You saw that statement he just made, plus President Trump is already at least talking about it.
13:42This is something that would never even be considered as of a few weeks ago, but now the administration is desperate to move on, and one way to move on beyond this is for Ghislaine Maxwell to come clean and to exonerate President Trump.
13:57Now, look, I don't believe that Trump was involved with any child sex trafficking.
14:01I don't believe that he's committed any crimes here, but he's sure acting guilty in the way it seems like there is some sort of cover-up here.
14:10I mean, instead of being transparent, now they're talking about pardons.
14:12This woman is the devil's accomplice.
14:16This woman is a convicted human trafficker.
14:19Not only did she traffic in young girls, she participated in the sexual assaults.
14:26There is no world that we live in that she deserves a pardon for activities.
14:31She is not a victim.
14:33She is a vile perpetrator who deserves the sentence she got, and she should stay in prison.
14:37As far as the House Oversight Committee issuing that subpoena just days ago, saying that she could testify there next month, what exactly are they hoping to hear from her?
14:49But on that same note, should the American public be able to watch all of that testimony before the House Oversight Committee?
