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Felger and Mazz, with Matt McCarthy filling in, debate who is responsible for the development of Drake Maye in his sophomore season.
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00:00That was Mike Vrabel, just a small little snippet,
00:02but here's a little theme I'm going to pick up on.
00:06We were just talking about Josh McDaniels last hour
00:08and his role in Drake May's development,
00:11and you guys think that Josh McDaniels is overrated or uninspired.
00:17Well, okay, you think McDaniels is uninspired.
00:19You think the offensive coordinator, Matt, in general,
00:22generic offensive coordinator is overrated.
00:24We put too much on the OC and not enough on the quarterback himself.
00:28Yeah, precisely. If you've been there and done that
00:30the way that McDaniels has in the league,
00:31it doesn't really make a difference in the end.
00:33Okay. I think the offensive coordinator in the system is more important than you do,
00:37but either way, you know who I think is even more important?
00:40Mike Vrabel.
00:41I think Mike Vrabel is the one that I would feel the best about
00:45or that I would put a lot of stock into.
00:48In other words, just for example, in Tom Brady's early development
00:55or how he became or his road to becoming who he was,
01:01who was more important, Bill Belichick or Charlie Weiss?
01:05Oh, Belichick.
01:06Belichick. Belichick.
01:08It was the head coach that got into Brady,
01:12and I'm not overrating Belichick here.
01:15I'm not all you Brady people.
01:16Murray, don't get your backup.
01:18Okay?
01:18No, I'm not going to.
01:18No, he was extremely influential early on.
01:20I'm not going to fight you on that.
01:21You were on the right side of history.
01:22It was Brady, not Belichick.
01:24I'm not doing that thing.
01:25No, but I think you need a hard-ass coach with a young quarterback
01:27to get the best out of him.
01:28Parcells got the best out of Bledsoe early on.
01:30I was going to do a bet.
01:31Like, Phil Simms.
01:34Like, how did Phil Simms get to be a Super Bowl winning quarterback
01:37and a Pro Bowl quarterback?
01:39Parcells.
01:40Who was the Giants?
01:41Was it Ray Perkins?
01:42I don't even know who the Giants offensive coordinator was
01:44when Phil Simms was drafted.
01:46Geez, I'm not sure.
01:47Okay, and Parcells, I got, I should know.
01:51It wasn't Parcells.
01:52He was obviously a defensive guy at one point, I think.
01:55But it's like, no, no, it's that relationship.
01:58It's Parcells, Belichick, Vrabel.
02:04Ron Earhart.
02:05Ron Earhart was a Giants offensive coordinator.
02:07Who was more important for Phil Simms, Ron Earhart or Bill Parcells?
02:11Parcells.
02:12Okay, who was more important for Tom Brady, Charlie Weiss or Bill Belichick?
02:16Belichick.
02:16Okay, and I'm not saying, again, before you get your back up,
02:21that Belichick made Tom Brady or that Brady wouldn't have been great
02:25without him or any of that.
02:26I'm not saying that.
02:27I'm saying, do we look back and say, and I think Charlie Weiss was excellent,
02:32by the way.
02:32Same.
02:33Excellent.
02:34Maybe the best pure play caller they had.
02:36Agreed.
02:37In that whole run.
02:38No doubt.
02:39A tremendous play caller.
02:40Great feel for the game.
02:41Absolutely.
02:42Okay.
02:42But when we look back, do we say that was Charlie Weiss or the offense?
02:48No.
02:49We say there was a perfect marriage there at the time with two completely driven,
02:56competitive, maniacal, obsessed people who were detail-oriented and were willing
03:03to grind out the hard things and do the right things and play a smart, tough way.
03:08All that, like that was, we look back and we say Belichick with Brady.
03:15And I look at, and I just bring up Parcells because he's no quarterback whisperer,
03:20but what did he do with Bledsoe?
03:22Exactly.
03:23The Patriots offensive coordinator when they drafted Bledsoe in 93 might have been Perkins.
03:28Who was it?
03:29Not to bark out orders.
03:31But do we even remember?
03:32No.
03:33I mean, Zampezi came there.
03:35They rifled through a couple.
03:37It was Ray Perkins.
03:37So Ray Perkins was, we don't look at Ray Perkins.
03:40I forgot the name, frankly.
03:42And say that Ray Perkins got to do, no, it was Parcells.
03:46And I don't know if Vince Lombardi had an offensive coordinator, but it was Vince Lombardi
03:52and Bart Starwin.
03:53Their offensive coordinator was probably Lombardi.
03:54He was the offensive guy.
03:56But, um.
03:58No, you got to treat these guys.
03:59It's the head coach.
04:00And one of the things that's common with all these guys, or we're just talking about Parcells
04:03and Belichick here, is that you have to treat these guys like they're any other player.
04:06Just because you play quarterback doesn't mean you're a special.
04:08And they were great with that, with those guys early in their career.
04:11So this is what I just wanted to pound.
04:13And that little clip right there, if you haven't seen it, you know, it's small, it's quick.
04:18But Rabel is getting to May about his leadership.
04:22And he says something along the lines of, you got to show everybody that you can be a different
04:27guy when you have to be, as opposed to what you are the other times.
04:31And he's getting into May about getting to the team.
04:34And I can't remember if it was in that clip or not.
04:37But there was a time where they show Rabel sort of stalking the field during practice.
04:42And a play ends.
04:45And Rabel, and again, it might have been in that clip.
04:46It might not.
04:47But Rabel says to May, something along the lines of, all right, you've got a minute.
04:50Get into him.
04:51Which means, okay.
04:54In this minute, when they're walking back to the huddle, it's time to get to the receiver
04:57and tell him, this is what I saw, what did you say, it's time to start leading.
05:01Start coaching.
05:02Start getting into your guys.
05:05And that's Rabel into him on that.
05:07And that's Rabel doing that.
05:09And I think Drake, I think the long-term future of Drake May is much more tied.
05:16And much more dependent on Mike Rabel than Josh McDaniels.
05:19This is my point.
05:20And Rabel carving out that, the relationship, the leadership, the mentality, all those sort
05:29of bigger picture things, all the intangible things, they're going to come from Rabel.
05:32They're not going to come from McDaniels.
05:33And I would much prefer that.
05:34And I don't know if McDaniels has it in him, by the way.
05:37He probably doesn't.
05:38To be a red ass?
05:38He definitely will.
05:39Or to do it effectively, which is why he failed as a head coach.
05:43I was going to say, as a leader of men, I don't know.
05:45Wade Wright, he's got a very spotty track record there.
05:48As a caller correctly said, I mean, the end of Vegas there, he was about to have full-on
05:52mutiny with half of that team.
05:53I like McDaniels' offense.
05:55I like his play calling.
05:57I think his quarterback development, I saw a little something with Mac Jones and him.
06:02I think he got something out of Cam F. and Newton.
06:05He, for a time, got something out of Kyle Orton.
06:08So whatever.
06:09I'm good with him with quarterbacks.
06:10I'm good with his offense.
06:11I'm good with his play calling.
06:12The leader of men thing, overall, May has the physical skills, right?
06:18Yeah.
06:18So it's all going to come down to his head, his heart, his balls, his leadership, all
06:24that stuff.
06:25That's going to come from Mike Vrabel.
06:27Just like Sims or Bledsoe, if you want to put him on the list, it came from the head
06:34coach.
06:35And I think in a lot of cases, it's now the same guy.
06:39Where Joe Montana had Walsh, who was both his offensive coordinator, his quarterback
06:43coach, and the mentor guy.
06:45But that's where it's going to come from.
06:47It's going to come from Mike Vrabel.
06:48And you want it to come from Mike Vrabel.
06:51The whole thing starts with what would seem to be innocuous.
06:56But it's, there's a play, and it's, I think, the very first minute of the thing, where Drake
07:03May is rolling out in a practice rep here.
07:07Felt 11 on 11.
07:08Padded.
07:09Where Drake May is rolling out, and he's pump faking, pump faking, pump faking, pump faking.
07:14And he just sort of steps out of bounds.
07:16Steps out of bounds.
07:17And he doesn't run with the ball.
07:18And he doesn't even throw the ball.
07:20And Vrabel gets right into him and says, good job being a passer.
07:23He says, good job being a passer.
07:26And I looked at that, and I said, yes, exactly.
07:29Because now here's a football thing.
07:30So, Drake May's got to be a passer first and a runner second.
07:36And when I did go back and watch some of his games at North Carolina, he ran like a demon.
07:44And he ran first.
07:45And a lot of the stuff last year, he ran first.
07:49And I don't like the run first guys.
07:52And there's a couple of them who are elite, but they haven't won.
07:55And I wonder if it gets in the way.
07:56And I'm talking specifically about Josh Allen.
07:58And I'm talking about Lamar Jackson.
08:00And they run in different ways.
08:02But I think both of those guys too often are run first guys.
08:06It becomes too much of a crutch.
08:08You have to be a pass first guy.
08:10Pass first.
08:11Be a passer.
08:12Be a passer and a scrambler.
08:14Don't be a runner.
08:16Don't be Daniel Jones.
08:18Like that kind of quarterback play scares the crap out of me.
08:22I don't think that it's won yet at a high level in the league.
08:25I think the devastating running quarterbacks are passers first who scramble.
08:31When you got to have it, you scramble.
08:33And that's what Drake May has to become.
08:34I think too often he just sort of took off.
08:37And I think, I don't know, if I'm able, like I think right out of the chute.
08:42What was he saying again?
08:42Great job as a passer.
08:44No, he said great job being a passer.
08:46Great job being a passer.
08:47Good job being a passer.
08:48And the play was very simple.
08:50May just stretched out a play, stretched out a play, patting the ball, patting the ball, patting the ball.
08:55As he's running to the sidelines and dips out of bounds.
08:58And Rabel said, good.
08:59Good job being a passer.
09:01Because that's what that is.
09:03Be a passer.
09:04Don't be a runner.
09:05The running stuff to me, I've said this for over a year.
09:08I'm not impressed by it.
09:09Like I don't care about it.
09:11And when I say that.
09:11Well, and also in May's case too, and Rabel's probably watched the film.
09:14He's like, you're a concussion waiting to happen.
09:15Like use it when you need to absolutely use it.
09:17Like how, I mean, I don't expect him to be Patrick Mahomes.
09:19But you've mentioned many times, Mike.
09:21Like he has that in his bag.
09:23He doesn't rely on it.
09:24But if it's like third and eight and no one's open, he knows he can do it.
09:27And it's lethal that way.
09:28Like that's what May has to learn how to do is just use it when it's absolutely positively necessary.
09:32He's got to be a passer.
09:33He's got to be a scrambling quarterback, not a running quarterback.
09:36And if, and I think Rabel agrees, he's, he's almost said it like from the second he took
09:42the job in his very first few press conferences, or when I talked to him at the owner's meetings,
09:47he talked about getting this guy out of bounds, getting this guy to, you know, knowing when
09:54to get down, protect the equipment is like something he would say.
09:59They've, they've seen it.
10:00And I don't think the guys last year, they tried to coach it out of them.
10:03Remember Van Pelt wouldn't run him on quarterback sneaks or quarterback keepers?
10:08Smart.
10:09But I think they even got to take it a step further.
10:12Pound into him.
10:14You're a passer, not a runner.
10:16Pass first.
10:17Be a passer.
10:20And the running thing, I just, it shows me nothing, especially in these preseason games,
10:25but even in some regular season situations.
10:27To just take off and run at the first provocation is like, that's always, you're always going to
10:33have that for the first 10 years of your career.
10:35Anyway, you're always going to be able to do that.
10:37It's always there for you.
10:39What, what we don't know, what you don't know, what is going to win games is the passing game.
10:46And so like, I think all this stuff is on Vrabel.
10:49He's got to get, get into him as a leader.
10:52Drake may has got to grow up and I'm not saying he's some sort of kid or some sort of, but
10:56he's 22.
10:57So like, as you would say to any 22 year old, he's got to grow up.
11:02He's got to grow up in the right way with the right mindset and his whole mentality.
11:07It's going to come from Mike Vrabel.
11:09And even some of the play stuff, play style stuff, the running don't need it.
11:15Don't need it yet.
11:16You get into November, December, third and eight, a game with playoff implications.
11:21Hell yeah.
11:21Third and eight, tuck it and run and get out of bounds.
11:23Pick up the first down, break the opponent's back and then line up again.
11:28But to run around just because it's there early or run around like an idiot ain't going to
11:33do anything.
11:34It's not.
11:34And I would say even after you get elite, elite, elite, I think Lamar Jackson and Josh
11:39Allen were kind of hurt by this.
11:41There's too many.
11:41Literally and figuratively.
11:42I mean, literally there's just too many plays in Buffalo where I see third and five and
11:47they, they just run Allen around the end.
11:49Like it's a high school quarterback.
11:51Keep play and he gets it.
11:53He runs two guys over.
11:54It's like, well, you're not really going to win.
11:58He gets it.
11:58November.
11:59He doesn't get in January.
12:01You're not going to win all the way through to February playing that way.
12:04You're not ultimately fourth and third and five, fourth and five.
12:07You got to pass for that.
12:08And until they learn that the Josh Allen's and Lamar Jackson's of the world, I don't
12:12think they're going to win at a high level.
12:13Fourth and five.
12:14It blew up on them in Buffalo this year.
12:16They, they didn't have the right play for it because their whole play is basically, well,
12:20broken Josh Allen go, well, got to be a pass.
12:23The city had a play for you.
12:24Got to be a passer.
12:25So I'm hearing that.
12:26All right.
12:26Like first minute of that documentary.
12:28Good job being a passer on a play that he just patted the ball and stepped out of bounds.
12:33But all that other stuff, the leadership stuff, you know, Hey, you got a minute.
12:38Hey, you got a minute.
12:39Talk to them.
12:40And then they show clips of may immediately started talking to his receiver.
12:43And then Drake may says, yeah, I got to be louder.
12:45So like that whole stuff, forget McDaniels, it's Mike Vrabel.
12:50That's who we're going to look at and say to Josh, did, uh, did Drake may develop into
12:53the guy that you need him to be Mike Vrabel's on the hook for that.
12:57And he should be.
12:58And you want him on the hook for that.
12:59That's the guy.
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