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Toucher & Hardy ripped ESPN’s ranking of the Patriots as the 21st-best roster, calling it ridiculous. They said the team is rebuilding, with a weak offensive line and possibly four rookie starters by midseason. Despite some upgrades, Fred and Wallach think talk of nine wins is unrealistic. They compared the Pats to the Jets and said this season is just the beginning of a long rebuild.

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00:00the uh nfl uh espn has ranked the top uh rosters in the nfl they've gone in uh you know chronological
00:08order okay best to worst and i'll tell you what this patriots team hang on to your hats let me
00:15guess yeah guess guess where they ranked them 26 nope i know the answer i was looking at the 21st
00:27best roster yeah in the nfl it's ludicrous things are getting well out of hand with this team okay
00:34i can add to this uh pro football focus puts out its pre-season view of top they ranked all the
00:40offensive lines patriots had the 32nd best offensive line the worst offensive line in
00:46football you know where it is pre uh pre-season starting this year it's second i mean i mean
00:53seriously 20th 29th 29th and the reason i bring that up is to back up fred's point
01:00they don't have the 21st best roster they are better pretty much all around from where they
01:07ended last season but the point is you're starting from zero right and you're a two or a three as
01:13opposed to a five or a six that was the argument we were having or not an argument discussion we
01:19were having with mike reese when he floated the idea of the possibility of this team winning nine
01:24games they're not winning nine games they're going to win six or seven because the schedule is bad
01:30but as much as you look at other teams on the schedule as wins for you those other teams are
01:36looking at you and saying that's a win for us well the thing is this is that you're going to be better
01:41i mean i mean just you will you have a better coach you went crazy in free agency and that always
01:47get you a couple wins in the short term it doesn't help you in the long term but in the short term
01:53and and but you know you're having a rookie if you're lucky start every game which you think is
02:01a great thing but you know there might have been games for that percent just by being a veteran one
02:06that may can't and second of all he's gonna make mistakes he's gonna throw into coverage he's gonna
02:11think he's got an arm that's more powerful than everyone else he's gonna he's going to throw into
02:17triple coverage where there's no receiver open it's part of the maturation process for any
02:22quarterback so there's the stakes have raised so much for him because it was just show your like
02:27elite physical talent last year and hooray and now it's going to be like oh you want me to win games
02:34for you and how is this roster better than 10 other teams rosters that's fascinating to me
02:41you don't know what drake may is they're not great at running back they're not good at receiver
02:48their offensive line's not good secondary it's all deep well yeah their secondary is good yeah
02:53their secondary is very good so yeah and and look they're they're they're praising and this has been
02:58going on for years he plays a premium in terms of like evaluating a team's overall uh quality based on
03:06the quality of specifically your two corners and if you have by then the jets should have a better
03:11a better roster the jets are 29th and the jets have better corners than the the or at least the same
03:19yeah as the patriots going on which sauce gardener shows up but yes well sauce gardener even when he's
03:24bad and he drove me crazy last year isn't bad go ahead here here's what you need to know about the
03:29patriots roster and we're gonna have mark daniels on in a second to discuss this look at the top four
03:34picks in the draft that you got will campbell travion henderson kyle williams jared wilson all
03:42four of those guys could be starting for you by the second half of the season garrett bradbury we
03:49talked is not a good center jared wilson is supposedly the next guy campbell's gonna start
03:54immediately but you were said it yourself running back wasn't good last year henderson could be your
03:59starter and kyle williams who knows who the other guy is from stefan diggs and who knows what version
04:05of diggs you're gonna get you could have four rookies starting for you by the middle of the
04:10season that's not a roster that's in middle of the pack that's a roster that's near the bottom i just
04:16think that it's just out the expectations for this team are just crazy at this grade and it happens
04:23every year there's everyone loves the nfl myself included it's a lot of fun when it starts like
04:29around this time of year you start going like okay let's have like sundays taken care of for a while
04:35i'll take the weather change let's get football going at least that's how i feel and you start
04:41and there starts to be group thinking it's not even local it's national there's just this
04:45someone gets an idea and they the thing about anything politics anything is that you can
04:52just create something in your head and make an argument for it right and then other people hear
04:57that argument they go oh and then they start adding to that argument and i think that's very much where
05:02the patriots are this year like if the patriots won seven games if i'm a patriots fan i'm like great
05:08great that means that may was pretty good that means that our defense played well and that you know we
05:16have to improve on our offensive line and our receiving receivers that and then you know what you need
05:21next year you win seven games this year next year you improve in those areas now you're talking
05:27about you could win the division i'm talking about winning the division absolutely but this year
05:32no nine games absolutely i think you're out of your effing mind i don't think you're as good as the
05:37jets i really don't ow they really hate fields they really really hate fields but is fields any worse
05:45than drake may i think here i think he will be yes see i don't know this year if he is he he will
05:51he's not gonna i mean drake may is gonna have a way better career but i don't know if this year
05:56game by game drake may is a better quarterback than justin phillips now at the end of the season he
06:01may be the offensive line will have a lot to say about how good the jets offensive line is better
06:06than the patriots that's true that's true i mean you got morgan moses who i love and is a great
06:12locker room guy but he's 34 and he's walking around on broken sticks in your injury prone but
06:18going back to what we started this brief conversation with he's better than what you had last year by a
06:24lot the only reason i'm bringing up the jets too is just the randomness of all of this like that
06:28they're like last year the jets were supposed to be like in the super bowl like it's just
06:31people like who you know it's just people land on something and then it gets out of control and i
06:37think that's where the patriots are this this is the crawling stage you were you were a dead stop
06:42last year this is the crawling stage hopefully you're walking next year and then running after
06:46that that's where we are okay if you like that clip and how could you not check out more videos
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