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00:00Holy smoke. I'm so excited, man. I'm so excited. A little nervous too. So me and Dave Kindig have
00:06been crossing paths for a while. I actually rode on a plane with him back from the SEMA show. We
00:10were talking and everything. Well, he called me and he wants me to come out to his shop and talk
00:15to him about a build. And I'm super excited about it. Let's head on over to the Dave Kindig Museum
00:20of Natural Art History and see what he's got over there. I'm so stoked to see his shop.
00:30This one we're calling the killer B. It's a 1969 Super B. That's four and five weeks
00:40is average during the whole car from start to finish, ready to paint. Look how gorgeous
00:45these are. Every one of them is just. I do actually have a V12 coming from Australia. It's in parts.
00:52I want you to build that engine for me. Isn't that beautiful? Yeah, dude. You know, I need
00:57more degrees. That whole body right there when you were a kid on the CF1s. When you're a kid
01:04and you got the plastic model car out of the box at first, just has just the shell itself
01:07front to back is 60 pounds. With the floor, the doors, the hinges, all that stuff is 291
01:13pounds before we put it on the chassis. All together. Really? 571, 574 typically on the back.
01:20510 foot-pounds of torque. Car weighs 3,000 pounds with a full tank of gas. It's a rocket.
01:26You keep your foot out of it. You probably get 28 miles a gallon, but who cares about that?
01:31This is number six. This is just a really, really cool car. So number six here is done
01:36in sageless. I have my own paint line. That's deep freeze over there. And that is infrared,
01:41which is the same color we put on the Riddler car. So sageless, this is number six. This was the
01:47prototype Cabriolet. So we've had this for a few minutes. Tom Clark's a great friend. We're
01:50actually going to build some more cars for him right now. So the brown top, Ferrari saddle interior.
01:55I took the sageless color and I added a little bit of black into it, about 15%, which created this
01:59kind of more of a bronze color. And that's done with a matte clear. That's typical on these cars,
02:04like the center of the wheels, the dash, and the inserts for the door panels. The motor, transmission,
02:11driveline, and center section are all done in that same matte finish. So when you're underneath this car,
02:15it has a nice flow to it. This is a driver, but our drivers are show quality. So it's powder coated,
02:22German's rocker chutes underneath with the base coat clear coat over the top of that. So it's rock
02:25repellent, sound deadens the panels underneath. It's got a big air conditioning unit, huge stereo
02:31system, but it's all hidden and it's all Bluetooth off of your phone. Oh, this thing is like. Go ahead
02:35and open that door right there. Yeah. Go ahead and open the door. So you just push in. Those are my
02:38patented door handles. We have those on a Chevelle. Oh, do you? Nice. Yeah. So power windows. The top
02:45has two clamps up here, just the two screws in the back that are finger screws. You pull those off,
02:50this top weighs about 18 pounds is all. It's all carbon fiber, foam laid, and then the canvas over
02:56the top of it, Alcantara headliner. And as soon as we came out with cabralets, everybody stopped doing
03:01the roadsters. I got two roadsters being built right now and three cabralets. And then we're moving on
03:06to the fastbacks. So the fastback foam has been carved. Good friend from Doug's that works with
03:13Boeing, has a big mill, five-axis CNC router table. So we did the designs based on our Riddler car 12
03:18bear. Basically we had all of that. We incorporated it back into this part. So on the center section of
03:24our mold, the unbolts, this section is getting built now with a roof line. All on a five-back? All
03:31carbon fiber, and it'll basically be one piece on the body. I've already sold five of those fastbacks.
03:36The first one will debut at the SEMA show in November 25. The fit and finish, you know,
03:41when you start talking about big five-axis stuff, oh my gosh. Gas cap. The C-TEC battery
03:46tender, just go and pull that up. That's got the C-TEC battery tender built into the car.
03:50Because it drives me nuts on my Ferraris. Oh yeah, yeah. On my Ferraris, I got to crawl into
03:53the trunk on the 512, or I have to go under the dash on the passenger side for the 458. What a great
03:57idea. This is just right there, just pop it in. And it has also the condition of what the battery
04:02is. You know, I thought maybe this was this James Bond thing, man. He scored
04:06an oil. There's a rocket. Yeah, if we forget to put the vent in there, it'll shoot fuel
04:13out the back. So, just got to get somebody to throw the matches out the back and light
04:17it. So, the Roadster started out $450,000. The Cabriolets are $550,000. The Fastbacks
04:23will be $600,000. And that's with the V12 in them? No, no, no. Only one that's getting the
04:28V12 so far is going to be Berries. And that's where you come in, my friend. Nice. So, we did the
04:33V12 LS from Australia. It's a RaceCast part, and it's from LSV12.com. That was in your
04:392024. It was in the Riddler car. Correct. And we actually took the liberties. We signed
04:43an NDA with RaceCast, and we redesigned the outside of that block to have no webbing, no
04:46motor mounts or anything, because we were doing a lot of really trick stuff on that. But what
04:51we were going to do is we started talking to Barry. He's got a massive, killer amount of
04:56really, really over-the-top, very high-end Ferraris. And he was talking about doing a Ferrari
05:01V12 in the car. And I was like, I don't know if we're going to have the kind of success
05:03that we want making it drivable and being able to have it communicate with the transmission
05:07that will actually fit in the car. I said, let me just get you an LSV12. It's a 9.2-liter
05:12V12. You can get them naturally aspirated. They're generally from 850 to 1250 horsepower,
05:17depending on what you're throwing out and what you're doing. We want it drivable. But I think
05:21that if we can get it in the 800 range, make it drivable. And I'm not trying to squeeze
05:26everything out of it. We're talking on a 3,000 pound chat. Correct. Whoa. That's more than enough
05:31juice, man. I know. But you know what they say, why not? Why not just get it? I mean,
05:36if you can get it, why wouldn't you just get it? Why wouldn't you? Or at least have a switch to kick
05:40it off. Right, right. Yeah, exactly. So, and then also we're going to work with Harup. Harup is the
05:47eight-stack injection that we've used before. We've had great successes with it actually on the
05:52the Mercedes Go Wing, which is really a nice setup. We also did one on the 67 GTO that we built a while
05:58back. And so we're going to do a Harup injection. It'll basically come with that. You're going to
06:03put the engine together and then dyno it. Make sure that we're all checked in and then we'll
06:06stuff it in the car. Nice. The intake manifold is all aluminum and it's, you know, you've got
06:11direct port injection, individual throttle body, if I remember correctly, or blades. So you'll have
06:1512 blades for that. Yeah. Which is pretty trick though, but they've done it for it before. It's going to sound
06:19nice. I can't wait. Yeah. I can't either. A V12 is like a fine watch. Oh yeah, dude. Just smooth.
06:26It's not rumbly. It's smooth. Love it. I'm so stoked about it. But right now I'm coming out on
06:31overload because as I stand around here and I look at the body of some of your work, it just begs the
06:38question, are you an alien? No, but I don't sleep much. How does a man in your short lifespan wake up?
06:47You're very kind. You're very kind. I'm 54 years old, Dave. I'm 65. Okay. You want to sit down? Are
06:53you okay? I'm fine. I'm fine. But I mean, you see, I've been in my business for 35 years. I know you
06:58just crested 25 and I'm like, you know, I told my wife this. I was like, how has he done that?
07:05Because I thought I was like on steroids, you know, going all the time. Here's, here's what, so,
07:10my story is basically I grew up, I was very passionate about cars. I was very impatient
07:15though. Legos, Hot Wheels, that's an instant gratification when you're building those. Plastic
07:19model cars, they were my favorite thing for the longest time. But as I got older, I got more
07:24impatient and I wanted to see the what ifs. What if I took this roof off of this car and this body and
07:28I can bound those and then waiting for the glue to dry just was never my friend. Any model I ever
07:32actually finished ended up in the windowsill for about a week period and then I'd steal the wheels,
07:36the engine, the roof, whatever, and I'd do something else. I still have a box filled with my
07:40model cars. You're that guy. I just, the only thing I haven't thrown away. But when I was a kid,
07:44I was growing up and I was like, okay, well, this takes too long to get satisfied in my mind what
07:49this is going to look like. And I started figuring out by looking at the instructions on Legos. Those
07:53are blocks and vanishing points. So when you start looking at those and that's how you make a car look
07:57more and more real. And then also the line art from the plastic model cars, when you're looking at the
08:02body, oh, you got to flip it over and do this, this, and this. I started putting those things together and
08:06looking at hot wheels, you know, side profile, front profile, and then going, well, if I turn
08:10it, I should be able to see this much of this angle and this much of this angle. And I learned
08:14how to draw cars in perspective. Once I did that, how old were you when you, when I started at five
08:19because my first design stuff was actually insects. And then my mom said, you can't actually make
08:24those. So go to your second level, which is the cars. That's, that's why I followed her advice on
08:28that. Um, but yeah, basically, um, I just did it as a hobby. When my wife and I met, we'd go to video
08:33Vernes, grab some, um, some videos for the weekend. And I literally would sit there and draw cars and
08:38just hanging out in the apartment. And I'd hang them up in my office at HPC. I worked at high
08:42performance coatings for eight and a half years for Jeff Holm. I knew about that. And the AmeriCruz
08:46had come through and I was, I'd been putting a lot of those renderings up and doing some stuff. And I'd
08:50been playing around with graphics and designing the cars that I was doing in my garage. It's just a
08:53hobby, my own personal vehicles. And every once in a while, I'd do something for a friend. And then pretty soon,
08:57Ed Capon that was working at the time at Arizona Speed Marine for Jim Schaffner, he says,
09:02Dave, who does all those renderings there when he was on the AmeriCruz tour? And I said, well,
09:06it's just me. It's just a hobby. He goes, those are pretty good. Have you ever thought about doing
09:09those for magazines? I said, man, I'd love to, I just never have had the opportunity. And at that
09:13point, basically I just kept, uh, you know, getting more and more jobs pretty soon. Everybody in state
09:17thought I was a big deal designer in the state and everybody outside the state thought that I was a
09:22big designer opposite. And so pretty soon I told my wife, I was like, my son, you know, Drew was getting
09:27ready to be born. And I had my three-year-old daughter Bailey. And I said, I want to
09:32quit my job. I can make more money in one night drawing a car for $500. And I make in 60 hours
09:37working overtime for Jeff. He gave me so many opportunities. So it's nothing against that,
09:41but he taught me really how to work hard and how to set my goals. And that just kind of continued
09:46to go that way. And, uh, I actually convinced her this time to let me quit two weeks after Drew was
09:50born. The insurance paid for everything. I cashed in my 401k for $4,800 and started my business in my
09:56garage, which I outgrew in two and a half months. I moved into this building in September of 99
10:00and 4,500 square feet. Two years later, I outgrew it. I moved into this. So I just kept going.
10:05Another four years, I needed another bunch of room. I took over another 9,000 square feet. Four
10:10years later, I took over the rest of the building, which was 27,000 square feet. 2015, I bought the
10:14building and remodeled it. 2018, I outgrew it. I bought another building three blocks from here.
10:18And that's another 10,000 square feet. So, and I use that for bitch and bootcamp. And then my big
10:22NASCAR 18 wheeler, five, three car high bend packs, two, four posts stuffed with client's cars. And my car is
10:28waiting to get in here. I have a eight year, $58 million backlog. And that does not include the CF1
10:33program. And there you go, guys. So as anybody is qualified and looking for a job. Yeah. Yeah.
10:40You know, and you know, I mean, I'm, we talk about that on my channel is like the opportunities
10:45available to the young men and young women today that have a knack for this are phenomenal, you know,
10:51and you make good money at it. You can. The opportunities are incredible. I'm a firm believer because of the
10:57way that people, where the trends for, for work have gone and careers that I, I'm going to make
11:03a prediction right now within the next five years before 2030, that people that know how to work
11:08with their hands are going to be more valuable and higher paid than the people sitting in their
11:11five-story apartment above a sushi bar next to the light rail with their bicycle rack and people
11:15just calling, don't talk to me in person. Spit it, dog. Spit it. Drives me nuts. Spit it, though.
11:20Seriously, that's the truth, man. I mean, it's impossible to find anybody right now,
11:24though. That's the thing is I pay good. We have great opportunities. We have so much growth and
11:27becoming a manufacturer. I'm actually a licensed manufacturer by the National Highway Travel
11:32Safety Board for the CF1 program. I have so many things going on and I've got 43 people right now
11:37working for me. I literally could use another 10, if not 20. We are so busy. Miles, you can't come to
11:43work here. I'm not, and I'm not a poacher, but here's my card. It's really, it's been a wonderful 26 years
11:51actually this year is how long we've been in business. And my wonderful wife, you know, I always
11:56tell everybody that when they buy a shirt or whatever, I'm like, you know, all the proceeds
12:00go to my favorite charity. Charity. My wife's name is Charity. I know. Thanks, Hal. You're welcome.
12:07Thank you. So, Dave, you've never been here before, right? I was building a 69 Chevelle. Okay. And I need
12:14door handles for it. But I've never been in a shop. Oh, very cool. So, please, give me that. So, this side is
12:19basically the wall of fame is what you call it. Wow. And I've actually got about a hundred other
12:24renderings, maybe a little bit more that are not hung up there yet. And this is your work. Yeah,
12:29this is all, this is what I based my entire business off of is designing the cars, whether
12:32it was for me, another shop, or just doing it as a hobby. So, most of these vehicles we've built over
12:38the last 26 years. A lot of them. I was doing a lot of graphics. It was crazy. You look at some of
12:45these. There's some stuff that actually goes clear back to 98, 96. And then, of course,
12:50all of our stuff. So, yeah, we've, we've been around for a long time. We've built a lot of great
12:54stuff. We've played around a little bit with motorcycles and choppers. We do all aspects of
12:58the build right here in-house, except for mounting and balancing the tires. And I, it's not that we
13:02couldn't do it. I don't want to take up the room. And I don't want my guys in here on the weekend
13:06putting 44-inch tires on rims and ruining my balancing machine. So, we actually just use wheelworks
13:11about a block and a half away from here. All of the casting flaws of everything, except for the,
13:16the serial numbers, or the VIN numbers and that kind of stuff, is completely ground and polished
13:20off of everything. Every piece, including the Borla 8-Stack injection, the bell housings,
13:27the rack and pinion, the ends of the yokes, all of those casting flaws, water pumps, valve covers,
13:32everything is ground and polished before we paint it. I want everything to be smooth, whether I go glossy
13:37on that or a matte finish. I don't want the casting flaws. I don't want webbing. I don't want
13:41anything that's not supposed to be on there. Are you going to be wanting to polish that before we
13:44build it? I would love to ground and polish it either before or after. Yeah, it doesn't matter
13:49either way. We, we mask up. These guys are very careful the way that they go about. We don't get
13:53anything into the engines. Got four rotisseries in, in-house. This is done in my discreet, is the
14:00color. Isn't that beautiful? It's getting a Bordeaux top, Bordeaux leather interior, a really beautiful
14:05kidney bean style hellebran wheel with a matte finish charcoal or a platinum color in it,
14:10which is also the same color as the engine. We're building a full custom car. It's just
14:14time and materials. I can get you a ballpark or a guess. I'm a very optimistic person,
14:18which means my guesses are usually a lot more optimistic than they probably should be.
14:22Right. I'm the same. I got the same problem. But it's one of those things where once you get the
14:26comfortable part out of the way, we're just going to build stuff. I work off of deposits,
14:31so I'm not hoping that somebody pays me before they finish remodeling their basement.
14:35Right. I work off of those deposits, and we have a great contract, and it basically guarantees
14:39what I'm doing for the client and what they're going to do for me. I don't get to talk to many
14:42guys that run that type of business, because most repair shops are running like, you know,
14:47a business job, that's what it'd be, and then you've got a gun to your head to meet that.
14:52Exactly. So sometimes that restricts you from doing the type of job you really want to do.
14:56And I won't try and save somebody money by cutting corners, because all they end up doing is fixing it
15:01for the right way on my dime. Yeah. And I learned that long ago. I learned so many
15:05lessons. Not being a business major, not owning a business before this one. I figured everything
15:10out. I figured it out, a lot of them, the hard way, which is, those are great lessons,
15:14even though they hurt. They're great lessons because you will never forget to not do,
15:19you know, to not do the right thing, right? You've got to do it. So this is the prep deck. We're a
15:24little bit backed up, because we've got this truck scattered all over the place that we're just
15:28getting into its final primers. Juan and Antonio, they'll typically, between four and five weeks,
15:34is average, doing the whole car from start to finish, ready to paint. Oh, this is the one
15:40that we're all very excited about, too. This is just going to be a killer car. You can see,
15:45we basically are forcing the induction through the irradiator out the top of the hood. We stretched
15:50the cowl hood to the windshield, got rid of the cowl panel, sank the wipers down, flush mounting the glass,
15:56very, very sharp lines. We've extended this three inches right here, four inches forward. We used
16:02a small sliver of the original fender, but this is hourglass wide-bodied front and rear, so you see
16:07how much hourglass, but we did it to where it wasn't, like, in your face. If you look at this car
16:11compared to another one, you're going to go, what did they do? Well, I can tell right here that this
16:15kind of stretch. Right, so we sink the headlight panel and the bumper is in nine inches. Those are the
16:22headlights down there to represent, like, a rally sport headlight. All of the engine bay
16:25panels, there's another cowl panel that goes across here and cleans it up. Custom build the hinge points,
16:31the whole bottom structure of the hood, all of that stuff has all been custom built. This is,
16:35there's hardly anything left of the original panel. I can tell it. The more you look at it, you're like,
16:38there's not a whole lot here that's not custom one-off. So we have a pretty good idea from the start
16:43what we're going to do, because I'll do the renderings. Then we start doing the metal fabrication,
16:46which we'll see in the next shop, and then basically we come over here and we've determined, yes,
16:51we want really sharp corners. So a lot of that stuff is, you know, they'll glaze over the top
16:56of the car. There's not a ton of body filler on the car. We want to make sure that it's laser straight
17:00though. So we'll go through. This has actually got no primer other than the epoxy underneath the bodywork.
17:05So they'll do the skim over the top of it, perfect that. You got to see the tail light panel too.
17:09This is some of the telltale things that will be the mod rod look. We've got a veed tail section,
17:16like the back of a Cadillac CTS-V, the dovetail built into the car, so all of that. So we basically
17:22have sunk it. We've emulated what the shape of the bumper is, but that's all sheet metal. We have
17:26an air director underneath, full belly pans, and the side skirts, that's all metal shaped into place.
17:32The rear quarter panels have been blown out two and a quarter inches. Open the wheel wells,
17:37move the wheel well back. I mean, we've moved stuff around. I get to play with full-size models.
17:41Yes, yes. Nice work. Yeah, thank you. And then we've got a full down draft booth over here,
17:47another one. That one over there is actually set up with a carbon filtration system, so I legally can
17:51still spray your thing. Everybody's been mandated to spray waterborne. That's set up for waterborne.
17:56I can push a button, go waterborne, but because I developed my colors and it's all based on sickens,
18:01I got a full paint system in there. I've got $27,000 my cost of custom pearls that I can add. I make my own
18:07formulas. We send it back to Troy, Michigan. They'll formulate it, make sure it's stable,
18:12then we work on trademarking, copyright, marketing, and then it's valuable all over the world.
18:16Modern Classic by Sickens. So that's a perfect example. It's not only what you know,
18:22it's who you surround yourself with. You're only as good as your partners. So this is a Cam Master
18:293-axis CNC router table. The bed's 10x5, and basically this is where we build our door panels,
18:36speaker boxes, molds. We can do all sorts of stuff with this. We use SolidWorks. We've also got a
18:41Thero 3D scanner, one that actually was nicer than the one that NASA had for about a two-week period.
18:46Great partner again. Stratasys MC450 as well as the 370 Stratasys. Our 3D printing system, we use that
18:53every single day. There's a lot of actually components that are functional components that we
18:57actually 3D print for the CF1s. Headlights, tail light mounting pads. There's just a ton of stuff
19:03that we do with that. You know, boy and his toys. I like having machines. So that's an LDF
19:10wood. Basically it vacuums the parts down to it through that wood. Once that gets scored, eventually
19:16we'll just push a button. It'll surface it again. Once it gets down under a quarter of an inch, we just
19:20replace the LDF. So it's like MDF, but it's low volume. This is 15-pound signboard. So almost like
19:26a plastic model car. They'll cut this out. They'll finish shaping it. This gets leather wrapped. That's
19:30the lower part of the armrest. That's the lower part of the door panel. This section right here
19:34gets painted to match the dash. Isn't that cool? It's waterproof. It's machinable and it's stable.
19:41It doesn't move around. So we actually just use that as a functioning piece. Its use is on the back.
19:46So all of these get a brass nut shirt basically pushed into them. And that's how we fasten it
19:50to the vehicle. And you don't have to worry about wood splitting or any of that. Yeah. Wow.
19:56Mr. Lockwood has been with me 23-ish. Yeah. About 23 years. I'm Dave. How's it going? How's it going?
20:03Very nice to meet you. My son, Miles. Oh, I watch your videos all the time. Yeah, this guy.
20:08Of course. Yeah? Yeah. Look out. I have a 4.6 that I need saved. A 4.60? Uh, 4.6.
20:164.6. Okay. A little modular. A little modular. Yeah. Yeah. I put too big of a supercharger on it
20:21and blew the head gasket. Well, that's what you're supposed to do. Uh-huh. But, uh, you know,
20:27if you pull it out, get it tore down to a long block, you know, we'll take care of it for you. No problem.
20:33Yeah. Get some, uh, proper pistons. Yeah. So you follow my, you've seen my son. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
20:38Oh, yeah. He's very good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I dig it. We've built a bunch of those. You know,
20:43in the last 10, 15 years, machine shops have just can't even find anybody. Well, and if you can find
20:49one that's actually bought a new piece of equipment and updated his stuff in the last 30 years,
20:54Yes. You're doing well. Right. Because that's what I find. Guys are still bumping and grinding on stuff
20:59that they shouldn't be bumping and grinding on and it, you get what you pay for. I'll bring him
21:03back with us when we come out and check out your place. Yeah. Yeah, big time. Yeah. Well,
21:07I'll probably be there for them. Okay. All right. Before next week, huh? Before next week.
21:13So this is the next one going over there. So as soon as they're done doing the jams and the engine bay,
21:16the bottom of that, uh, number 24, this is number 26. NHRA drag racing. You guys probably watch a
21:23bit of that. So this is Jason Johnson, Johnson's horsepower garage. This is the third car I'm building
21:28for him. This one we're calling the killer B. It's a 1969 super B. That's got a, uh, uh, Joe Schumacher
21:35third gen supercharged hammy at about, uh, just under 1500 horsepower. Six speed manual. Jeez. Roaster
21:40shop independent chassis. What Howard's doing right now is he's building two, the rendering that I put
21:45together. So basically what he's doing is he's put, put the chipboard up there to get kind of a scale and
21:50a base. We'll 3D print these ducts, which has the, uh, uh, air, uh, air index for the front cooling on the
21:56brakes as well as the intake. So both sides of them are big, uh, inner coolers and that stuff.
22:01We're going to angry eye some, uh, some halo styled headlights. These will be functional for the rear
22:06brake cooling. Nice. I didn't put any kind of a bulge on the hood because I wasn't sure exactly where
22:11the supercharger was going to land. We actually just bought a new hood for the car because we've
22:15pretty much mangled this one up, but we've done the under structure. So we've left the skin on there.
22:20So we've, we've updated the, uh, uh, the hinge points. We make our own hood hinges on a lot of these cars.
22:25The gas shocks are under the dash. So that's just clean right here. It's just a nice constant hole
22:29or a constant radius. This goes through one small hole. Yeah. Cause the sixties and seventies never
22:34made a good hood hit. No, the springs and then yeah, they're just garbage. Yeah. So you can see
22:39the amount of metal work they've done on the car. It's got a set of, uh, uh, my, uh, one-off door
22:43handles for this car. We're making a piece of trim that's flush mounted with the glass and with the body.
22:48So there is no chrome on the car. All of the trim and the side skirts are going to be done in an anthracite,
22:53uh, kind of a matte finished anthracite. And then I'm doing a really cool, uh, kind of a golden,
22:58uh, copper color. So I don't think I can walk through my shop and point to motors and say,
23:03I'm doing this and I'm doing that and we're doing this and we're doing that.
23:05I'm, I'm, yeah, I'm listening to all of this knowledge and information and everything.
23:10I drive all of these cars within five minutes of selling them to the customer. As we're talking
23:14about it, I'm in my mind, what the car looks like going up and down the street, the cell,
23:18the contrast from interior to exterior, the sound of the car, the stamps, all that stuff is going
23:23through my mind actively so that when I'm done and I can go back, I put a rendering together and say,
23:27this is what I'm going to do with your money. I'm going to build this car just like this.
23:30There's a front three quarter and there's also a rear three quarter up on the board right there.
23:34One off wheels. And I just kind of basically do again, a sketch of what I want them to look like.
23:38I send those over to Sean over at, uh, Evod wheels in Southern California. He'll come back
23:43with a CAD design that I can move around. I like what I'm looking at. I tell him what finishes and
23:46then he'll build that with my offsets and, uh, uh, dimensions for the brakes. See, it's like,
23:51it's that old, uh, saying, you know, if, if you see it and if you believe in yourself, you know,
23:55you can execute and make it, you know, but you got to see it first and then you got to visualize it.
24:00And also something that I always say is if you think you can fail, you probably will. If you
24:04don't concede that you can fail, you probably won't. Cause then if you haven't got there yet,
24:08you just got to keep going until you get there. And like you said earlier, how many times have
24:12I, we've made so many mistakes, man. I mean, I could fill up a library with all the mistakes
24:17I've made in 35 years. So you can look at it as a mistake or you can look at it. Look how many things
24:22I've learned. Yeah. Because as long as you're keeping track of those mistakes, those are no longer
24:26mistakes. Those are lessons. Oh yeah. Right. Cause you can make mistakes over and over again.
24:30That's the bigger mistake is when you do the same thing and you screw up the second time,
24:34third time, fourth time. A learning lesson is when you screw it up the first time,
24:37but you never do it again. Right. Right. This, this is like a book on success. Yeah.
24:41So these are just some, just some quick line art. I actually have the finished line art and I'm
24:45actually coloring the interior design today. And, uh, so I have a one-off wheel based on the original
24:50steering wheel. I'm going to sink the gauges in. I'm playing off of the bulkiness of what the original
24:54dash looks like. They're pretty ugly. So this actually is not a completed piece. This is before
25:00I color it. This is the line art. So that is the door pattern. It'll have the pistol grip shift or kind
25:05of a swoopy, uh, center console with the chrome and the, I might even do wood grain on the inside of this.
25:11Don't quote me on that because that's the way it was. The seat patterns, I'm going to play off of the
25:15original seat patterns and door panels, but I've added a lot of modern taste to it. So that will
25:20basically give them the idea of what they got to shave off of that dash because we're going to make
25:24basically all those troughs and stuff will flow and then we'll just paint those to match the
25:28leather in some cases or wrap them. We've put this onto a roadster shop chassis that was custom built.
25:33It's a fast track chassis. What we're doing right now is Cedric's in there. He just got done with the
25:37side skirts. He's now working on the rear diffuser. We're going to send this information up to Dave
25:41Savaggio up in Minnesota. He's going to mill out the foam and then hand lay up
25:45carbon fiber parts. Send them back to us. We're going to paint those sections. We don't want them
25:49visual carbon, but it is going to be made out of carbon. So this whole belly pan on the back
25:54bolts onto the bottom of the corners, which we've already bobbed off. You're so good at recognizing
25:58that, you know, you are one part of the whole machine. That is probably one of the greatest things
26:03of your success. You say names, you talk about people that are part of your success. I would love to
26:09say that I have it all in one place, but a lot of times when you have like, you know, I've got wonderful
26:13guys, but we can't do all of that. Or maybe it doesn't make sense if somebody else is better at
26:17doing something and we can get to the fast track by being able to utilize our guys on other things
26:23instead of focusing on stuff that we don't know. Use the pros on stuff like building the engine,
26:28for instance, for the V12. Using somebody else will do the carbon fiber layup and that kind of stuff.
26:32I don't want to necessarily ever say I won't do my own layup and carbon fiber and buy equipment.
26:36I've got room to do it. I don't have the people to do it. I leave that to the pros that just do that all day
26:41long because it's faster to get it done. Eric, before you run with that, I got to show you this
26:46is really cool. So, 68 Bonneville. So what Eric's doing right now, Eric's one of our master fabs.
26:51These guys are all master fabricators, but he's rebuilt the whole back of the car. We actually did
26:54a light pan that will do a full LED one piece and then the bumpers. I hate bumpers that stick off the
27:00side of the car and you can throw your Happy Days lunchbox through. So something you'll always see with
27:04our builds, he's grabbed all of this. He's straightened out the whole back of the car. This is all new metal.
27:08This is new metal. He's pulled the bumper up and in and he's built all brand new sides that will flow
27:14with the shape of the car. Right. They no longer will stand off of the car and be gappy and whatever.
27:19This will have the same gap as the doors. This will be chrome. This will be painted.
27:24He's straightened out the whole quarter panel, shaved all of the trim off to the side of the car. If we
27:28decide to put trim back on the car, I would never put the original trim back on the car because it's
27:32sloppy looking. We do solid stock aluminum and then we triple plate it and then we double side tape it on with
27:37only two fasteners. I was going to wonder, I mean, because your cars look so well trimmed out. I'm
27:42like, how do you do that? You don't use the original trim because a lot of times when you put the
27:46original trim and you tighten it, what it does is it'll pucker the body panels. Right. Basically,
27:51we have a perfectly straight body. It's all body worked and painted and polished. What we'll do is
27:55we'll have one hole back here. If I decide to put trim on the car, I left it off of the rendering,
27:59I might put it back on if it needs it. But we'll have one one fastener in the front of the panel,
28:03one in the back, and then we double side tape it on. And it's perfectly sanded to fit flat on the
28:09surface of the body. So we'll get to see some of that. We've got a really cool 57 Olds that we built.
28:15The second car that was actually for Jason Johnson. So here's the rendering of what this car is going
28:19to look like. And since we don't have a TV show anymore, it's not like I'm letting the cat out of
28:22the bag. So here's our one-piece tail light. We're going to do a three-dimensional Bonneville
28:28logo behind that. So who does the plastic work for it? We do it right here. A lot of times with
28:32windshields, that kind of stuff, we work with shields. They do all of John Deere, NASCAR,
28:36and NHRA and probably a lot of other things. They make our polycarbonate windshields,
28:40which is 100 times stronger than a regular windshield. And it also has a silk overlay inside
28:45now. So we can actually trim it and fit it, which you'll see in a second. Cole is over there
28:48putting windshield together right now to go into a frame. We glue it in. Hidden headlights did not come on
28:53a 68 Bonneville. They came on a Le Mans. So we got some Le Mans headlight assemblies. We'll make
28:58all of our own grill. They also never had a roll pan that incorporated and went around that big nose.
29:04This thing needed a nose job. That's my nose job right here. Instead of pulling this in, we're going
29:08to bring this out. So one-off wheels and kind of look like a hubcap from that era. Beautiful car.
29:14This is the third car I'm doing for this gentleman. So he's out of Pennsylvania. Super nice guy.
29:19This is the windshield for the car over there. So this is actually a cabriolet windshield.
29:24Brian Kellan is six foot three, six foot four. So we want a taller windshield. Even though we can
29:29sit him way down into that car, he just has a very tall torso. We fit him in. I was like,
29:33let's just use a cabriolet windshield. We'll just take all of the webbing off for all of the extensions
29:38off where the rubbers would go. So a little bit more of a bubble top style, but it'll look really good.
29:43Anthony's actually building the dash and the interior. So he's actually,
29:47the interiors on these were really quite boring. So what we're doing is we're actually recreating it.
29:51This has got a 10-speed automatic LT4 Roadster Shop independent chassis front and rear. We use 2006
29:57GTO seats that are power. It's a fitting seat for the car. It's got a lot of very nice bolster.
30:02It's power and we take the headrest off. It doesn't stand out like a like a sore thumb. And then we're
30:07using 73 Impala Dakota digital gauges, which will fit into that. And then that lens will go all the way
30:13across and down. We'll paint and black out where we want it to look piano black. And then we do a PPF
30:18on it so it doesn't scratch. Wow. So these are my patented door handles, different styles. And we use
30:24the CNC to space out or to give the notch for the back handle. We also drill and tap on the CNC FIDAL.
30:32And then all of them get hand shaped and then we'll send these up to chrome. The ones that are just
30:38flat or for paintable. I wanted something that was flush because I like to make cars smooth,
30:42right? But sometimes visually you want a door handle still. Yeah. I shaved so many door handles
30:46and certainly a lot of my own. And the funny part about that is, is I locked myself out at every
30:51one of those cars I ever did. That's you. So the idea was to put something on there that didn't stand
30:56out from 20 feet back. If you want something that looks classic where you have a chrome door handle,
30:59from that far back, you can actually think that you actually have a three-dimensional handle. It's a stock
31:04handle. As you get close to the car, it's all flush mounted into the car. So we sell three to five
31:09sets of those a day. And all the proceeds do go to my favorite charity, my wife's charity.
31:16Let me show you the CNC room. This is pretty cool in here. This is actually where we built the Riddler car.
31:21So before that CNC Haas machine was installed here, this is where we had the bottom of the car,
31:27the monocoque, and then also the plug car and the outside skins getting put together.
31:32To chrome a three-piece wheel, you have to be able to take it apart. But when you go back together,
31:35a Riddler car, I always like to hide all of the hardware. And one thing that always drives me
31:39nuts is hardware that you would see, it's not pretty on the inside of a wheel. It's fine on a
31:43production car, but on the Riddler, we have to do something super special. I didn't want to look at
31:47the hardware. So what we did is the inner and outer hoops are finger grooved. The perimeter of the rim
31:52is drilled and tapped. That's where the hardware goes. And there's a band that goes around that. It's bolted in.
31:57So you actually put the wheel together with the hardware on inside the tire,
32:00then you mount and balance it. It's got a single lug nut. It's a pretty trick piece. I'll show you
32:05the 3D breaker. So there's just a lot of really cool stuff. This is a quick little art project I
32:11did for the valve covers on the V12. So this is the one that the Small Fidel is where we do all of our
32:17door handles. We just use this one for overflow because really our main machine at this point,
32:22this new Haas. So a really, really awesome machine. So who builds your frames? Roaster Shop.
32:28They're in Chicago. Well, in Illinois, just outside of Chicago. At Roaster Shop, they build a really
32:34wonderful, wonderful piece. This is a spec seven chassis for the C1 Corvette, but we've modified it.
32:39So my frame will not fit somebody else's first generation Corvette. We moved these frames in,
32:46and these ones into the rockers. We built our new floor around it, which allowed us to drop the seats
32:50down four inches between the frame rails. It just gets you down in the car. A 1953 Corvette,
32:57you and I really don't fit in those cars. You'd have your belly on the bottom of the steering wheel,
33:01your top of the steering wheel is over your eyes, and you're sitting out of the car this far.
33:06My car is you sit down this far, you're sitting more like a regular brand new Corvette. So there's
33:10our 3D printing room. You can see there's a set of headlights being printed for a CF1. Our partnership
33:14with Stratasys is awesome. We do so much 3D printing with them, with their machines. We also
33:20have great support from them. Also, because of our sponsorship and the way that we work,
33:25if I'm too busy with this, if it's too big of a product, if we just need their help, we actually
33:30have a, because of our sponsorship, we actually have a backdoor email. I don't call anybody. I just
33:34send an email to Stratasys in Minnesota. It prints out on the Boeing machine, which is three foot by four
33:39foot by endless. They do their drones are printed up there. So it'll butt me into line, print my parts
33:45overnight. It's so cool. This is our Optima Challenge Mustang. The engine that's in this
33:50is a 5.4 liter. It was a mod motor, and there was a build-off for Hot Rod Magazine Challenge,
33:55and he won the challenge. Mike Lazier, that we built the car for, bought the engine that was on
33:59the cover of Hot Rod Magazine. That's the engine that got put in this car. So we had a couple of
34:05little tuning issues. Basically, John Cozzi is great to work with, so he took care of the stuff that
34:11we needed to. The intake manifold, we had some really thin spots, because when they float it,
34:14it's a dyno build. Right. Not necessarily supposed to be something that's going to be running around
34:18the track or whatever. That was never really the big intention. So now that we're doing that,
34:22we had to go back. The intake manifold was so thin in some areas it was casted, you see it flexing.
34:27Wow. So we had that redone, and it's ready to go back together. So this will be at the Optima
34:31Challenge, I believe, this fall during the SEMA show. How many cars will you have in SEMA this year
34:36with that you've touched? I haven't really decided yet. Usually we're five to seven,
34:40sometimes a little bit more. Yeah. This is number 21 right here. This is my periwinkle blue. First
34:47one to get a set of stripes. I got to shake his hand. Well, yeah, of course. You're a celebrity.
34:54Hey, what am I? Shop celebrity? You guys make great videos. I work them all the time.
35:00That's very kind of him. So these guys are going to build the V12 for number 31. Or 30,
35:06sorry, for number 30. Yep, for Barry. Kenny's the manager over in this area. This is Bill. Nice to
35:10meet you, Kenny. And yeah, these guys really, they got their hands full with, we've got so many cars,
35:15and there's so many. Now that it's spring, that's when we end up with like a ton of cars,
35:19and we're like, okay, let's start driving them. Because we put typically about 250 to 300,
35:23maybe a little bit more miles on each car to make sure if it's going to break down. We want it to break
35:28down on us. So we have the shop here. We can go rescue it on the side of the road if we need to
35:31with our small trailer. But typically, what we do is we just try and shake down all of these cars,
35:36make sure that there's nothing that's going to go wrong. These are almost, you can almost do them
35:39blindfolded at this point, because we've done, you know, what, 21 right here, 19 is ready to be delivered,
35:4518, 17, they're at their homes, everybody else's got them. Number 11 is the one that we're updating to
35:51a Cabriolet from a Roadster. Well, I want you to know I'm there for you, man. If you need a guy to drive
35:55a couple hundred miles on one of these. Dalton, you good for that? You know how to drive a manual?
36:01Perfect. We're all here to help you, Dan. Well, I can feel the help and the love, yes. So he just
36:06finished doing the shake down on the 57 we had a couple of issues with, so it's ready to leave
36:11again. Number 19 looks like doing just last little fitments, but that car is going to go over, get the
36:17roof sealed, because it's a white canvas and a white leather interior. So you guys are the mechanics,
36:22you're the ones making it all happen and go the way it ought to go. Well, actually, we're the ones
36:26that are questioning everything Dave does, and then when we're all done, we're like, he was right
36:30again, you know. He wants to put what color with what? It's like, just trust me. You know, seriously,
36:34does Dave ever, do you guys ever have back meetings where you're looking at his stuff and going? All the
36:39time. Yeah. I was questioning, are you really going to put an orange engine in a purple car?
36:44He's a Clemson guy. It's got to be orange and purple. Clemson, for sure. So yeah, these guys always
36:50question me, and then I'm like, just wait, you'll be fine. Two things, don't doubt Dave,
36:54and don't put the wheels on the car until after. They torture me with this. I have the wheels over
36:59getting mounted and balanced for number 21, which I'm really excited. They're one-offs,
37:03and they're super cool, and I'll be chomping at the bit the whole time. Every time I try and get
37:07these guys, hey man, when are you going to put the wheels on? Because I want to see how it looks.
37:11Yeah. I want to see that vision that I had already put in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah.
37:15You're constantly going, when are you going to put the wheels on? When are you going to put the wheels
37:18on? So these are parts that we make. So we make basically on the CF1s, we only buy four parts
37:23that actually fit an original CF1 Corvette. The grille surround, which we modify, we'll actually
37:28shrink it and stretch it. It's all brass, and then re-chrome it. The bezel around the Speedo,
37:32the bezel on the chrome on the passenger side of the dash, and the glove box between the doors,
37:36or between the seats rather. That's all that we use. Everything else, all of this is sand castered out in
37:41Tooele, off of our 3D printed patterns. So this bar, the headlight rings, that, the windshield,
37:47the side trim is an extrusion that we get done down in Southern Utah. And then we weld our CNC
37:54section right here. Wow. Then we machine on the Haas. We just weld it right here.
37:58And it gets double side taped on there. PPF, ceramic is all done at Lux Auto Spa, just down the street.
38:04Got great friends and partners of ours. This is what America is all about. It doesn't matter who's
38:08president. There's people in America that produce things. And what you, every time you've talked,
38:14you're like, I'm bringing this, this, this company in. I'm working with this guy. I'm working with this
38:19guy. That, that, that bringing things together, this is how you make beautiful things. I love America.
38:24I think that, I think that anybody that really is involved in the industry, certainly in Utah,
38:29that knows who Lux is and knows who the people are that we use in California for powder coating,
38:33the wheels, whatever, you know, whatever it is, people in Minnesota that we work with,
38:38it doesn't matter. If they know those companies and they know how legitimate they are, then that
38:42just brings also the legitimacy and the abilities forward right there. It's like going, that's kind
38:47of a no brainer. These guys say they're going to do something. They can do it. Yeah. You know,
38:50and these, these guys are, you know, awesome. And I also have embarrassing pictures of all of them.
38:55So he can't leave, right, Sean? Yeah. Just take embarrassing pictures of people.
39:11They aren't going to leave you. Look how gorgeous these are. Every one of them is just jump in there.
39:16That was the opposite way, but yeah, you're good. You do it two times and then you get really good
39:22at it. How did it go? Drive good? Nice. Yeah, I'll take it out again after a while.
39:28Nice. You know, I had leg day twice this week, so I could barely move, to be honest with you,
39:32you know, I'm really... Pretty, uh, tilt column down. And, uh, yeah, so it's, it's a very comfortable
39:37car. You're in the car. And in fact, I'm going to shut the door just so you can feel how you've just kind
39:42of wrapped into the vehicle. Isn't that beautiful? Oh, yeah, dude. You know, I need one of these.
39:48Yes, you do. I do need one. I don't know how you made it this far. You know what? I think it's
39:52embarrassing that I, I'm not on your list now to get one of these built. You can get on the list.
39:56This is awesome. You can tilt that wheel up and it gives you a little bit more room there.
40:00There you go. Yeah, the colors, the uniqueness. Yeah, the, like, pink colors. Thank you. Any of these cars
40:07will never be the exact same color. Yep. I will never do another white, top, white interior
40:12that wheel. So this, I want the cars to stand alone as an art piece. Every one of the cars,
40:17again, if I do the same color on the outside, it will never be the same on the, on the combination.
40:22Yeah. So over here is the wall. You can see a bunch of them here. This is the fourth body style.
40:28So we will, we are going to debut the Nomad Wagons for the 2026 SEMA show. This year though,
40:34not this color combo, this was just a design exercise for the gentleman I built the Riddler car.
40:39I did the same colors as the Riddler car for him. He wants a drivable version, but he hasn't pulled
40:43the trigger yet. And I've already sold five of the cars. So he won't have the first fastback
40:47unless he wants to buy my 25th anniversary car. So this is coming to, this is, that'll be in 2026.
40:53This will be at the 2025 in November this year, number, number 25 will debut, uh, maybe another fastback
40:59there too. Cause once the mold's done and we do, we get the first body here. So we'll scan the inside
41:04because it uses this windshield. We have a way of fastening the roof line to it. We're going to do
41:08a halo of some sort to give a little bit more structure to the top of the car. Uh, and then
41:12also we're going to probably 3d print the perimeter or the halo as we'd call it to cover, to cover the
41:18halo rather. We'll 3d print that piece, but we're going to pull molds off of that and do it out of
41:21carbon fiber. That way we have a part to be able to lay up our, uh, leather headliners or Alcaterra
41:26hand lighters. You have a perimeter that goes around that basically, if we ever have to pull the
41:30windshield frame, you take that perimeter down and you can unscrew the roof from the windshield.
41:36So we want to make it, make sure that the cars are serviceable. Yeah. This is a $450,000 car.
41:40It had 280 miles on the odometer. It sold for $770,000. The next week, 605 at Barrett Jackson
41:47for number four, they sell a hundred thousand dollars minimum more than what I'm selling the
41:52cars for. I could ask more for the cars is what I'm getting at. But you know, if what it does is,
41:58this is a better investment than any kind of stock market you can play around with. Because
42:02within one year I can build that car. You can turn it around, sell it. I'm hoping that people don't
42:06because I really have the passion that I've designed a car that you're going to fall in love
42:10with and keep forever. I mean, the way you pull it all together, it's a masterpiece, dude. Honestly,
42:14I, you know, this has been a dream for me, honestly. I've seen you from afar, you know,
42:21and I'm just like, wow, wow, wow. And I don't think I'd ever be here if it wasn't for these,
42:25you know, the people standing around. You surround yourself with good people and,
42:29you know, the welfare kid, wrong side of the tracks going to Westside, inner city kid.
42:33We had a gentleman by the name of Steve Lacey. He was a producer. What was cool is he was a mentor to
42:37our inner city school. And he basically said, don't ever forget who you are, where you came from.
42:42Treat people the way you want to be treated. Look both ways before you cross the road. Don't drink,
42:46don't smoke, and don't lie. You don't have to remember as much.
42:50But he said also one time, he says, surround yourself with the things you want the most,
42:53and one day you'll have those things. And you surround yourself with the people you admire
42:57the most, and one day you'll be admired like those people. And so those are just things that
43:00really stuck with me. I grew up with no dad. So those are things that when you're looking for,
43:05who am I? What am I going to be when I grow up? Who do I want to be? How do I want to be
43:11accepted by other people? You take into consideration the wise things that were told to you, whether it
43:16was somebody that was in your family or just somebody you just respected, and you take those and you
43:20don't ever forget them. Yeah. It's been wonderful to have you guys down here. I can't wait to see
43:23your operation, and I can't wait for you guys to, I'm going to get that V12. It's on its way from
43:27Australia, so. So Dalton's brother actually is our main engine builder. Okay. And he does. I like how
43:34your family works out good. We'll make sure we take such a good care of the engine. Awesome. Dave, this has been
43:40mind-blowing. It's been awesome. It's been wonderful. Really, thank you so much. This is a dream for me. I don't want to
43:46uh, oodle over you too much, but you know. Oh, no, please do. Well, no, no, no. If there was a Mount Rushmore,
43:54your face would be on it, dude. Oh, well, thank you. I mean, that's how I feel about it. This is another thing exciting. I'm
43:59going to be building a motor. We, I know we've done some little work for you. Right. But now it's, we're going to go big
44:04time. So that was actually, I was really excited when you wanted to come down. I wanted to show you my process
44:08here, but I do actually have a V12 coming from Australia. It's in parts. It's all brand new, complete. I want you to build that
44:16engine for me. I also have an intake manifold coming from Harup. So you'll actually be able to
44:20not just build it, but let's dyno, let's make sure everything all checks in. So harness, fuel injection,
44:24everything's coming. I have a set of headers that we built for the Riddler car on that same V12. Okay.
44:30And we call them hillbilly headers. They literally go straight up. I have O2 sensor bungs in it. So
44:35you'll be able to just run straight up. Yeah. When are we looking to see parts on that? Uh, the engine's
44:40actually on its way right now from Australia. So I would imagine within the next, maybe about three weeks,
44:44I think we'll get through customs. We should have it on ground and we've got plenty of time. I have
44:48a 3d printed version of that. So we'll start building our car based around the 3d printed
44:53engine, just cause we got to make room. We're going to move the engine back. So we've got some
44:56modifications to do on the firewall. Wow. So, but I would love to actually also come up and check
45:01out your place. Oh, cause I like to see how things work. Yeah. And obviously you've got a program that
45:07works. It does. And it does. And I'm so excited to show it to you. It's we're lucky that we're only like,
45:12what 20 minutes away from each other at best. So we'll have you up next week. That sounds wonderful.
45:17And a great man. Thank you so much. Thank you. Yeah. I'm excited to get out there.
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