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Thom Tillis Defends Break From Party On Big Beautiful Bill: 'We're Rushing To An Arbitrary Deadline'
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6/30/2025
In Senate floor remarks, Sen. Thom Tillis (R-NC) explained his break from fellow Republicans on the Big Beautiful Bill.
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Senator from North Carolina.
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Thank you, Mr. President.
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I'm going to be brief.
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I promise Senator Hollins, I'm sorry, Senator, it's going to be about five minutes.
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This is an easy one.
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Number one, I should have probably said this earlier, I don't, my colleagues on the other
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side of the aisle, I completely disagree with the narrative of the billionaire taxes.
00:22
Folks, this is actually reducing or making sure that we don't raise taxes on people like
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me that grew up in trailer parks, didn't get my degree until I was 37, struggled to make
00:32
ends meet.
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Those people benefit from that.
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I've read the bill.
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I think most of you know I'm detail-oriented.
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It's not what it seems.
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So I also should thank Senator Crapo.
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He's a good friend, great leader.
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I should have thanked him for the hard work that he's doing.
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I got a little bit focused on the Medicaid failed baseline that's in the bill, but I should
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have started with that.
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So thanks to Mike Crapo and to Senator Thune, who I admire as our leader.
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Mr. President, I'm here to talk about the production tax credit and the investment tax
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credit, though.
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It's another classic example where think tanks and people that haven't worked a day in business
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are setting policy in the White House without a clue about what they're potentially doing
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to our grid.
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A lot of people probably – I had Alex Weinstein, who is a self-described philosopher and expert
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in this area in my office, talking with three people, practitioners that actually work in
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it.
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One of them is someone who specializes in power purchase agreements for large businesses.
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Walmart is one of the most sophisticated buyers of electrons in the world.
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They map out their power requirements years in advance.
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They want to make sure that their food doesn't spoil and they've got power running.
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They've already made several power purchase agreements with projects underway, folks.
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And this bill is basically gutting it.
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And everybody's high-fiving.
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What's amazing to me, Mr. President, is the mark that we laid down the other day almost achieved
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the same level of cuts of the House bill within $30 billion.
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Within $30 billion.
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And instead of thinking that was progress, somebody got cute and decided to take away
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in-construction and put it in service.
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Let me tell you why that's disingenuous.
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I was a partner at Pricewaterhouse, worked in the utilities practice, large utilities
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like TECO, Duke, Florida Progress, AEP.
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I know this industry.
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I understand base load.
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I understand peaking, and I understand this technology, which is increasingly becoming
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viable because of storage as a part of augmenting base load.
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Well now we've got the Walmarts and all of these data centers and everything that we want
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to bring back on shore putting in these power purchase agreements, teed to these projects
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like solar in particular, like wind, and other innovative, renewable natural gas, methane,
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hydrogen.
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I can go on.
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But somebody, a self-described philosopher in a think tank that I admire a lot, but I realized
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if you're a philosopher and you're in a think tank, you by definition have never worked
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in an operational role.
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So you can't possibly understand what happens to this pipeline of power purchase agreements
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and the future of our grid.
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So here's what's going to happen.
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Wipe it clean.
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Put an excise tax in.
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Effectively throw the football in the end zone, spin it, walk away, and do the party dance.
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And what you have done is create a blip in power service because there isn't going to
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be a gas-fired generator anytime soon.
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Folks, the generator is necessary to create power with gas, best case five years from now.
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That's best case.
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Five years from now.
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So you can't get that online at the same time this whole pipeline is going down.
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So I want that philosopher to tell me that he understands how to plan out power over time
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and to let me know that when all these projects fail, some will make it, some will get subsidized,
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some will go bankrupt, so it won't be Armageddon, but it's going to be a problem.
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So they better get it right.
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It's another example, folks, when you rush a bill and you don't think through the implementation,
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you don't get it right.
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And so I hope that my colleagues recognize it's half-baked.
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It's another reason why we should go back to the house, Mark, get Medicaid right, so
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I can come on the floor and tell my colleagues on the other side of the aisle why they're
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wrong on all the attributes of the house, Mark.
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Why they are wrong on some of their characterizations of the tax bill.
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And why they will be wrong on an energy policy that makes sense.
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But I have to vote against a bill from my own party that I have never parted from before,
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because we're rushing to an arbitrary deadline with people who have never worked a day in
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this industry, maybe philosophized and written a few white papers on it, but haven't gotten
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their hands dirty.
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I have.
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And this is another segment of the bill that needs to change.
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Thank you, Mr. President.
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Mr. President.
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Mr. President.
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