The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 2 Episode 4
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00:00You scared? Don't get nervous. It's so high up.
00:07You're so cute. You make me so happy.
00:13I'm the luckiest guy. I said it from day one.
00:19Cameron's my boyfriend. He seriously is the best.
00:22Me and Cameron's connection is a lot different than me and my ex's
00:25because I feel like he genuinely sees me and cares for how I feel in every situation.
00:29And I'm just so grateful for him that he came into my life.
00:33This place is so cute. Soda, ice cream, shakes.
00:39That looks so good, actually. Is that beer?
00:43Should I try it first time? I still can't believe you've never tried it once in your life.
00:48Cameron's dad is a bishop, so his family is very strong in the church,
00:52which makes him a bit conservative when it comes to certain things.
00:55I don't know. I'm not intrigued. You said you do need gummies.
00:59Well, I never said I would. You did.
01:02If I'm going to try it, I'm not going to smoke.
01:05But if I was going to try it, I would do an edible of a smokey.
01:08I think we should try it. All right, we'll see.
01:11And then you're going to get the munchies, and it's so fun.
01:14Things are going really great with Cameron. I feel like our sex life is good,
01:17but I've still yet to experience an orgasm with a partner.
01:21It's not something that I really want for myself, but something that's kind of ingrained in our church
01:25that you're not really supposed to enjoy sex until you're married.
01:28And I think that that put a constant shame in my head around sex in general.
01:32It's definitely something that I need to work on and work through.
01:35Dad being a bishop is so much responsibility in the church.
01:38And that's just how I grew up. So much of everything that was against the church,
01:42like weed and drinking and stuff, we just never talked about it.
01:45It was just don't do it or don't or do this or don't do this.
01:48I don't necessarily think Cameron's family has any hard feelings about me being in mom talk,
01:53but Cameron's only really dated very strong members of the church,
01:57girls that are very active, and I'm definitely the opposite of that.
02:01So maybe they have their reservations in some way.
02:03So your parents don't know that you have sex and stuff?
02:06The significance of having sex before you get married is obviously a big deal.
02:10So they'll figure it out eventually, or if they ask me about it, I'd be open and tell them.
02:14Would you? You wouldn't lie?
02:17Do you feel like pressure about me and making me orgasm?
02:23Yeah, obviously, of course, because it's like, yeah, of course I do.
02:27At this point, I'm going to die without having to live together.
02:47I've got everything you could ever want.
02:50Try me and you'll see.
02:52I'll bring you to your knees.
02:54Baby, you're gonna believe.
03:16I just want to dance all night and laugh until the morning.
03:25I got my boys around me and we don't need anybody.
03:29Dance all night and laugh until the morning.
03:34Those boots are cute. Thanks.
03:36Today, I'm grabbing brunch with Michaela and Taylor, and I'm really excited to catch up.
03:40I know that Taylor has been going through a lot with her relationship with Dakota,
03:43and Michaela has been on a journey with therapy.
03:45And so I'm really excited to get together with them and just chat.
03:48You're going to take over? Yeah. Thank you.
03:50But considering everything that has happened with the Halloween party, I'm worried.
03:54Oh, my goodness. This is so nice.
03:56Maybe you should sit on the entee so that you can put him.
03:59Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Rachel.
04:03How do you know her name? She's a name tag.
04:06Is that your new friend? Thank you, Rachel.
04:09Are you going to add her into the group chat, too?
04:12Shut up.
04:13You can replace Whitney. I approve.
04:15I am, like, lagging today.
04:17Like, Dakota, have you talked to him at all after the party?
04:20Well, yeah, I made sure he was okay.
04:22Dakota, I was worried about that.
04:24I do worry about him.
04:25Like, obviously, when you have a past like that, like, that's like life or death for people.
04:30So it's like I checked up on him.
04:32That's good.
04:35Since the Halloween party, Miranda and I are cordial, but Dakota and I are currently in a fight.
04:40Things are just getting worse and worse.
04:42And honestly, I do worry about Dakota's sobriety with recovering addicts.
04:46You never know.
04:47And so I think I'll always worry about that.
04:49My heart is closed at this point.
04:51But there's no question that I feel so strongly about him.
04:55I was like, you embarrassed us both.
04:57Oh, yeah.
04:58Chase, like, just pointing, like, literally so close to your face and so aggressively pointing at you.
05:03Like, every husband probably would have lost it there.
05:05Well, I was like, the fact that they all saw it except you is, like, embarrassing.
05:09And Chase has done a lot more to you than he's done to any of us, too.
05:12He just, like, didn't want to hear it.
05:14But I'm like, I'm like, I'm just, I have nothing to say.
05:18There's no more words for it, honestly.
05:20I know, but you still talk, like, and fight like you're together.
05:26Yeah.
05:27He doesn't feel done unless it's, like, strictly, like, about ever.
05:30Like, hey, like, when are you picking him up?
05:32Just, like, separate and take care of your baby.
05:34I don't know.
05:35That's what I'm saying.
05:36You two have to work on yourselves by yourselves without each other at all.
05:40I feel like it's been sort of done, to be honest.
05:43If he were to go on a date with someone, wouldn't you be pissed?
05:48If you're going on a date during all of this, you're not my person at all.
05:53So you're still considering being together?
05:55I mean, I don't have, like, I just don't have words for it.
05:58I don't know.
05:59Like, I can't say, yes, I'm done with Dakota forever or I want to be with him right now.
06:03Like, I just don't, I don't know.
06:06Taylor and Dakota are in a really bad place right now.
06:09It is so toxic.
06:11It's like oil and water.
06:13I understand, like, you want to make it work with the person you have a baby with,
06:16but I just don't see it working out.
06:18I get confused.
06:19I guess what I'm saying is I'm not focusing on that.
06:21Like, I need to, I have so much work to do.
06:23I have my kids to focus on.
06:24I need to be present with them.
06:25I need to go to therapy and heal, like, my inner issues because I'm also so, like, messed up.
06:32When everyone's like, let it go, let it go, or, like, do this, do that,
06:34like, my brain is, like, fucked, like, it's, like, fucked up.
06:38When I go into therapy, I'm like, I feel crazy because it's the same thing.
06:41And she's like, it's not crazy because you're in, like, trauma and you have PTSD,
06:45so it doesn't matter.
06:46It's going to always be there until we fix it.
06:48Yeah.
06:49And rewire your brain, so.
06:50Yeah.
06:51But it is possible, though, so it's like.
06:52Yes.
06:53It's like.
06:54This is a work in progress and I'm tired of everyone being like, and we're exhausted.
06:56Well, guess what?
06:57Me too.
06:58Yeah.
06:59So it's going to take a while to heal it.
07:01Yeah.
07:02I feel like I have some really deep issues of self-worth.
07:07I felt like my real dad not wanting anything to do with me, my guilt for the swinging scandal.
07:13It makes me feel like trash.
07:15And now Dakota kind of brought it out and exploded it.
07:18But it's deeper than Dakota and what he did.
07:20When I am betrayed, it just confirms my beliefs about myself.
07:25I feel like you guys are never on the same page.
07:27And so I feel like you're both trying to validate your feelings to each other, but you can't do it.
07:33I think Taylor and Dakota's relationship is kind of already detrimental to Taylor's health and mental well-being.
07:39He's been deceitful and lying to you and gaslighting you for the last two years.
07:43But now that she has a baby, I understand that it adds a difficult dynamic.
07:47I just want her to be healthy and I want her to have a healthy relationship.
07:51We were supposed to have therapy on Monday together, but I don't know if he'll show up.
07:56I'm going because she's my psychiatrist regardless.
07:59But he was supposed to be there, but I don't know if he'll come.
08:02But I'll be there regardless.
08:04I don't know.
08:06All right, we can talk about something else.
08:08Yeah, well, expect...
08:10What is that on my head?
08:12It's still there.
08:13Get it out!
08:14Well, stop it. It's just a ladybug.
08:16Oh my gosh, well, it's stuck to my head.
08:20Anyways.
08:21How are your marriages, guys?
08:23Perfect.
08:24I'm, like, honestly really good.
08:25Well, not perfect. No one's marriage is perfect.
08:27No one is perfect.
08:28You know what I forgot to tell you guys?
08:30What?
08:31I need to pull this up, actually.
08:32A few months ago, I got, like, two confessions on Sinner Sunday.
08:36Wait, this is not me.
08:37Do you have PTSD?
08:38No.
08:39Well, I always get ones about you, but this is not what I'm talking about.
08:41But it said, I slept with Denise's husband last year while she was away.
08:47Sinner Sunday is something that I started a couple years ago where I just wanted to have a little bit of fun.
08:52I have people write in anonymous confessions, and they're usually really juicy,
08:56and then I post them on the story of that page for everyone to see.
08:59Yeah, that's not true. Demi doesn't go a day away from Brett, so.
09:02Besides the girls' trip we did in June.
09:05Nothing would surprise me anymore.
09:06We have learned there is truth to the confessions on Sinner Sunday.
09:10There are.
09:11But the Dakota and Taylor situation, a lot of things ended up coming out that were true.
09:16Demi and Brett might have cracks that they don't share with everybody.
09:18No relationship is perfect.
09:20We can talk about Jen and Zach.
09:22I was just going to ask more, I think, about Jen and Zach, but I guess we don't know.
09:26They were doing their trial living.
09:28When I talked to Jen, she's like, oh my gosh, we're so much better.
09:31No, like, he's totally allowing me to be myself.
09:33Allowing you to be yourself.
09:35That's what, it's the allowing. He's allowing me.
09:37I'm like, how thoughtful of him.
09:40He's grown so much.
09:51Finding out that I'm pregnant was very stressful.
09:55I don't want to tell anyone that I'm pregnant just because there's still tension in the air.
10:00What's hard for me is Zach left med school so I can be part of mom talk.
10:06It's been very hard to talk to the girls about everything that I'm going through.
10:12And so it's been nice having Miranda.
10:15She's the only person right now.
10:17She's the only person right now that has validated me.
10:22Go outside and wait.
10:24Are they heading to Chase's?
10:27Chase's is so cute.
10:29Is that hard? Like, co-parenting?
10:33It's definitely difficult, but there hasn't been a day where I've felt like it wasn't the right decision.
10:39Really?
10:40It hasn't been easy, but it's been easier than staying married was.
10:47When did it hit you that it was time to like...
10:51Split?
10:52Yeah.
10:53I can't remember if it was like an argument we had or something.
10:56And I was just like, I'm done.
10:59Like, I'm done.
11:00And then I just, it literally was like a switch flipped in my brain.
11:05And then I just remember feeling so much more calm.
11:08Yeah, I'm very much, like, I'm so much happier now.
11:12But I was going to ask how you're doing.
11:14Oh my gosh.
11:15To be honest, I'm not okay right now.
11:19I'm like trying like so hard not to like...
11:25I'm sorry.
11:26Don't be sorry.
11:27I hate crying.
11:28Don't be sorry. Don't be sorry.
11:32I'm trying so hard.
11:36I just genuinely feel like so alone right now.
11:41I feel for Jen.
11:48I've been there, and it is rough.
11:52All of the things that Jen has gone through and where she's at now,
11:57I think she's kind of, she's hitting a breaking point.
12:02The more she opens up, the more I'm realizing that maybe she's not receiving
12:07the support that she needs in mom talk right now.
12:11With Zach, I think there are some red flags for sure.
12:14And yeah, it might be best for her to go.
12:17But if she doesn't feel like it's the best thing for her,
12:20she needs to be supported in that journey.
12:22I just feel like these girls, specifically Demi and Jessie,
12:26continue to put me in these, like, uncomfortable situations.
12:29And if I do struggle in my relationship, I feel like I can't go to them
12:33because I feel like they already have this, like, narrative in their head.
12:36It's like, well, I already told you, you should leave him.
12:38Yeah, no, exactly.
12:40I want to continue being a part of, like, mom talk.
12:43But also I know it's, like, really, really hard for Zach,
12:46and I feel like it's hurting our marriage.
12:48You should not have to feel like that.
12:51I'm very worried and stressed out because bringing in another human
12:57into this life is a lot.
13:02I feel like I'm definitely in the midst of spiritual warfare
13:08where I'm just doubting everything, and I feel, like, lost.
13:13I'm not sure if I want to be in the marriage anymore.
13:17And I definitely think that it is a wake-up call for me
13:22to really figure out what I want for this baby.
13:26What's really conflicting right now is since Vegas and everything,
13:32I feel like I've distanced myself from, like, church.
13:37I feel like I've kind of, like, also distanced myself from God.
13:42And it's made it, like, really hard for me to, like, know what's best for me.
13:48And it's just hard because, like, my relationship with God is, like, everything.
13:55And I, like, feel like He's, like, quiet right now.
14:00I'm just, like, praying to God.
14:02I'm, like, just lead me to, like, what I need to do.
14:05Like, I want to do what's best for me and my kids and, like, my marriage.
14:14In order to have this child right now,
14:17there's a lot of things I know I need to work through.
14:20I don't even know what I believe in and what I'm—
14:27what my current purpose is.
14:43Suspect only carries credit cards that say Jason Stiles on them.
14:46Suspect is looking for a girl half his age.
14:51There he is.
14:52What's up, boys?
14:53Yeah.
14:54Oh, wait, Brett, no, hold on.
14:56Oh.
15:03Brett, that's where the balls come out.
15:11You guys are still young enough, you don't need to stretch, huh?
15:15So today I invited Jordan and Brett to go golfing.
15:19I just wanted to talk to them after what happened at the Halloween party
15:22and kind of their role in the Chippendales dancing
15:25and just confront them for what happened.
15:30Should we do a little long drive?
15:32Yeah, you guys want to do some betting?
15:34I'm just kidding.
15:36Hey, too soon, man.
15:39I hate to interrupt the golfing.
15:42I did want to come here today and just talk to you guys about some stuff.
15:45Yeah.
15:46I just wanted to talk to you guys about, like, the Halloween situation.
15:49I've already sat down with Demi and Jesse,
15:51and I kind of told them where I was at with, you know,
15:54respecting our relationship, and they've chosen not to,
15:57but that is what it is.
15:58I have hope that moving forward I can have a good relationship with these guys.
16:02At the end of the day, I have nothing against them.
16:04I think they're great guys.
16:06I think they're great husbands.
16:07Like, I know you guys didn't have any bad intent,
16:10but I still think it was a little bit disrespectful,
16:13but mostly just, like, insensitive.
16:16Man-to-man, like, if you guys did respect me
16:19or you guys did support my relationship,
16:21you guys could have let me know.
16:25Jordan, I feel like we're, like, pretty close,
16:27and I feel like Brett, I've expressed to you that, like,
16:30I, like, look up to you.
16:31I mean, clearly you guys knew.
16:33Like, it's not like it just slipped your mind.
16:35I'm super traditional.
16:37It's just who I am.
16:38Ten minutes earlier, you guys were both out
16:41almost physically assaulting someone
16:43over them physically assaulting his wife, yeah.
16:46For sure, and I stand by that.
16:47I'll never walk away from that in my entire life
16:50because the way I was raised is you don't ever put a hand on a woman.
16:53You just did the same thing right after.
16:55So hear me out.
16:56I didn't touch Jen.
16:59Okay, if you want to be petty, I can be petty with you.
17:01I'm doing this in a respectful way.
17:03I watched the whole situation.
17:05What Chase did is he went up to me
17:06and touched her without consent in a condescending way.
17:09What you guys did was touch my wife without consent
17:12in a condescending way.
17:13Same thing.
17:17The thing that I have a tough time with
17:19is that Jen was warned what the whole bit was.
17:24And she was also told that you could be included
17:27and she didn't choose to tell you that.
17:29And honestly, there needs to be accountability on Jen's end
17:32for not putting you in though
17:33because it was said that there was going to be surprises.
17:39That doesn't mean that I shouldn't have reached out
17:41and definitely try to include you or invite you into that.
17:44I agree with that.
17:45I was under the impression that you were in the know.
17:48That is something Jen and I have to hash out.
17:49And if it later comes out that she didn't tell me the truth,
17:52that's going to suck.
17:53Jen has, again, sworn on our children's life.
17:56This is her story.
17:58I'm going to have to believe her
17:59and I'm going to let her hash it out with Jesse and Demi.
18:01And whatever comes out or if it doesn't,
18:03it is what it is.
18:04I just wanted to come to you guys
18:05because I still would have wished
18:07you guys would have told me.
18:08I talked to you that morning.
18:10This all comes down to two things.
18:12Intent and communication.
18:15At the center of it,
18:16Jen might be a little bit of a moving target
18:20depending upon the situation and how she might be feeling
18:24and how she might be feeling you might react at certain times.
18:27Her message might change a little bit.
18:28There may be some nuances that change a little bit.
18:30So I'm just asking you to be open to that.
18:32Yeah, yeah, yeah.
18:33And not draw such hard lines.
18:36He said this, she said this, this is definitive
18:38because there is a lot of moving.
18:39Nothing's definitive and it's going to be in the gray area
18:41and I'm just trying to handle it the best I can
18:43and still show up for my wife and be a good husband.
18:46Because I'm telling you, man to man,
18:47had I thought for even one millisecond
18:50that this was going to cause any kind of issue whatsoever
18:53in your marriage, it never would have happened.
18:56Jen and I have been through a ton in this last year.
18:59A lot of these tough situations could have been avoided
19:02through maybe better understanding on my part
19:05but maybe a little bit more honest
19:07and straightforward communication on Jen's part.
19:10But as far as fighting for our marriage, absolutely.
19:13There's no question that it's worth fighting for
19:15and I think we're putting in the work
19:17and it's just going to be a long process.
19:20At the end of the day, I'd love to continue to golf, have fun.
19:22We'd love to have you come to the dad talk stuff.
19:25Yeah.
19:26I hear you. Yeah.
19:30Bring it in.
19:31Should we get back to hitting some golf balls after that?
19:33I'm going to have to re-stretch.
19:37Okay.
19:48I think I have everything.
19:50Shut the door.
19:58The last couple of weeks have been really hard
20:00but I'm just thankful that Dakota came to our therapy session.
20:03It was a lot about the Halloween party because it was so triggering.
20:06When you see Chase treating me this way,
20:09that's when you step in as a man and be like,
20:11you do not talk to her that way.
20:13Back the fuck up.
20:15That's what I would want my man to do for me.
20:17I'm the mother of your child. Tell him to back the fuck up.
20:20He said one remark to one of my friends
20:22and the husband immediately was like,
20:23you go fucking apologize to my wife.
20:25If you ever acted like you wanted anything to do with me...
20:29My ex would have defended me in that situation.
20:33Okay, I know. We're gone.
20:36I feel like the last few years have actually been the hardest.
20:40I feel like I've been insecure with Dakota.
20:43Him thinking certain things and saying things in my family,
20:46saying you didn't respect yourself, I think it just added.
20:49And ever since then it's just been hard to pick back up and feel confident again.
20:53We had a family dinner we went to.
20:55My mom, she was like, everyone is exhausted of hearing the same things.
20:58Like, what is going on?
21:00And my dad was like, well, I don't know why you expected better
21:03because you jumped into bed with him so fast.
21:07I feel just anger.
21:12In our therapy session, Dakota finally took a step back and was processing.
21:17And I feel like for the first time he was not only hearing me,
21:20but he was listening to me.
21:22I don't actually have an issue with you trying to process these things
21:27and you struggling. I'm still here.
21:30I think the only thing I've ever actually wanted is forgiveness.
21:36And that's all I need to where I can actually show up for you
21:41and work on those things that you need me to show you and give you
21:46that can help you work through these things too.
21:51And I'm sorry I failed you. I really am.
21:56I do feel like we finally had this mini breakthrough.
21:58I feel like I saw the soft side of Dakota that I initially fell for.
22:02Healing is really hard because I think it gets really ugly before it gets pretty.
22:07There's so many great things I love about him and vice versa.
22:09That's why we won't let each other go because it's so good when it's good.
22:14And he's upset me. He's hurt me.
22:17But I don't think he's failed me.
22:19I think failing is when it's over and you're done trying.
22:22The whole party thing just sucks.
22:24That really hurts me because I feel like the one thing I've always actually been
22:29really good at throughout my whole life is just having people's back
22:33and I'd do anything.
22:39I just feel like I screwed that up.
22:43That sucks.
23:14Layla's definitely gone through some changes from going through a divorce
23:18to getting her boobs done.
23:20But one thing that remains is that she has yet to have an orgasm with a partner.
23:24Jessie and I kind of want to take the pressure off and maybe inform her
23:27on how to achieve that.
23:29So we thought of a cute idea to throw her a sex party.
23:36Hello.
23:37Hello.
23:38Erica?
23:39Yes.
23:40So nice to meet you. Do you need help?
23:41Nice to meet you as well.
23:42Is this heavy?
23:43No, it's great.
23:44Are you sure?
23:45Yeah, where would you like me to put it?
23:46In this room.
23:47Okay.
23:48This is where everyone will be.
23:49Beautiful.
23:50I think there's definitely some shame that comes along with being a member of
23:53the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
23:55Unfortunately, sex is a very under-talked-about topic and so I think everyone's
24:00excited to learn more and, you know, support Layla.
24:03Jessie and I found this sex expert, Erica, and I am hoping that she's able to
24:09remove the taboo around sex.
24:12Demi!
24:13This is the guest of honor.
24:15Oh my goodness, okay.
24:16Hi.
24:17Hello.
24:18Welcome, Mama.
24:19How are you?
24:20I'm stressed.
24:21You have Demi.
24:22Do you love her?
24:23It's so cute.
24:24This is Erica.
24:25Hi.
24:26Nice to meet you.
24:27Nice to meet you.
24:28Introduce and give all your certifications.
24:29She's incredible.
24:30So my official title, Certified Sex and Relationship Coach and Forward
24:34Certified Clinical Sexologist.
24:36Amazing.
24:37Oh my gosh, I'm so excited.
24:38This is all for you.
24:39I love it.
24:40Cameron wants me to feel good when we're having sex and I do feel like the
24:43girls are being supportive right now and trying to help me feel loved and
24:47cared for.
24:48That's really something that I appreciate about this group.
24:50Having sex before I was married, getting pregnant before I was married, I
24:54just have always felt shame.
24:55It's just something that has always been kind of a cloud over my head when
24:59it comes to sex.
25:00Oh, is that a vagina?
25:01So this is a vulva.
25:03Yeah, we'll talk about this.
25:04This is a vulva puppet.
25:05She's pretty, right?
25:07She's cute.
25:08So we have a wide range of women coming tonight.
25:12Okay.
25:14From very experienced, like swinging with multiple partners experience.
25:19Okay.
25:20Hi.
25:21Oh my gosh, you look so hot.
25:23And then very conservative.
25:26I'm on my cuddle.
25:29There's dog shit right there.
25:30Oh.
25:31Sexy.
25:32Sexy.
25:33Hello.
25:34Oh.
25:35My neck is everywhere.
25:37Wow.
25:38So I walk into Demi's Remove the Taboo Party and I'm a little shocked.
25:42There's collars, chains, whips, butt plugs, dildos.
25:46I'm like, where am I?
25:47Like, this is like a sex shop.
25:49I thought this was like, remove the stigma of sex.
25:52Like, but this seems like a full on orgy party.
25:56I just want to know what you guys all think is like the most shocking of all of
25:59these.
26:00I mean, like, I feel like I've seen them all, but like.
26:03Oh.
26:04However, it wouldn't be a mom talk party without some kind of drama.
26:07So I just feel something brewing in the air.
26:11Oh my goodness.
26:12Look at you.
26:13You went all out.
26:14This is cute, Taylor.
26:16I love this.
26:19All right.
26:20Someone bend over.
26:21My delivery's here.
26:23I forgot it.
26:26No.
26:27I forgot it at home.
26:29So I had to see how Jace bring it.
26:31It looks just like me.
26:32No.
26:33It's an ass.
26:34Do you know that your BFF thinks that was a mold of her ass?
26:38Is that true?
26:39Macy?
26:40Yeah.
26:41Who in mom talk has the best ass?
26:42Of course.
26:43That's me.
26:44Just genetics.
26:45She actually used my ass as inspo for her cake.
26:48Oh, please.
26:49I don't have enough cake to mold Macy's ass.
26:52What's the flavor?
26:54Ass.
26:55I'm just kidding.
26:56The flavor is butthole.
26:59Hello.
27:01Look at you.
27:03You look great.
27:05So do you.
27:06Hello.
27:08My hands are literally freezing.
27:10Do you ever think you'd be back at a mom talk sex party?
27:13Oh, my gosh.
27:16No, I did not think I would ever be at a sex party with Miranda.
27:20But here we are together.
27:22Surprise.
27:23Who is the kids tonight?
27:24Oh, yeah.
27:25Dakota, dad talk?
27:26Yes.
27:27Yes, he is.
27:28Jordan's like, I'm really hoping Dakota can lead this because he's like a TikTok expert.
27:31What is he doing behind the scenes?
27:33They're just making TikTok.
27:34They're making dad talk.
27:35I mean, I didn't ask him much about it.
27:37Jordan's like, I don't know how to use TikTok.
27:39I'm like, ask Dakota.
27:40Okay.
27:41Hang on.
27:42Connor, you're in the middle.
27:43Okay.
27:44Click.
27:45So head to the left.
27:48Right.
27:49Because this is just a practice.
27:50Get ready.
27:51Ready?
27:52Click.
27:53Left.
27:54Left.
27:55Shit, left.
27:56Sorry.
27:57Okay.
27:58Here we go.
27:59Are you guys ready?
28:00Yeah.
28:01Okay.
28:02Here we go.
28:03We got this.
28:05Oh, shit.
28:06Fuck.
28:07Fuck.
28:08How do they get the positioning?
28:10Is it just because they're small?
28:12Here we go.
28:13We got it.
28:14Okay.
28:15You're ready.
28:16Thank you, sir.
28:17Click.
28:20Click.
28:21That's it.
28:22Dad talk has been established.
28:24Yes.
28:25We cannot admit to the girls how hard this is.
28:27No, never.
28:28Promise.
28:29This was the easiest night of my life.
28:30Promise this stays here.
28:32I'm crying.
28:35We should all grab the one that looks the most like us.
28:37I also need some cheese.
28:39Are you guys good now?
28:41I don't know, honestly.
28:42I don't know.
28:43I appreciate her thanking me.
28:45I think we're to a place where our friendship is a little...
28:47Our friendship's better for me.
28:49I guess, coming from my perspective, it's better.
28:51I just, like, don't have answers.
28:53Like, he hasn't been...
28:54Like, I haven't lived with him for, like, over a month now.
28:56Oh, I didn't know that.
28:57Yeah.
28:58Where is he?
28:59Uh, apartment.
29:00Good.
29:01Good.
29:02Is Jen here yet or no?
29:04Oh, I forgot Jen was coming.
29:05I think she should be here any minute.
29:06She better be walking in with just full lingerie.
29:08Yes.
29:09No, Zach won't allow that.
29:10Is he going to God talk?
29:12No.
29:13Zach?
29:14I don't think so.
29:15Does anyone know what's going on with them?
29:16No.
29:17Have you landed?
29:18She came over a couple days ago.
29:20Um, we talked, and I think she's just been...
29:24She was asking a lot of questions about my divorce.
29:27Oh, interesting.
29:29Like, she was inquiring for herself almost?
29:32Kind of.
29:33Oh, no.
29:34Jen and I's relationship used to be really great,
29:36but now that Jen has isolated herself,
29:38we never hear from her.
29:40It's really sad to me to see how it's fallen
29:42because we did have a really close relationship
29:44at one point.
29:45Anyone know how she's feeling
29:46about the Chippendales situation?
29:47No.
29:48Did you talk to her about it?
29:49Uh-huh.
29:50Oh, what did she say?
29:51Yeah, she wasn't, like, thrilled about it.
29:52She did say, she was like,
29:53I know that Demi, like, brought it up.
29:54She's like, I just wish that I would have known,
29:56like, the length of, like, the plan.
29:58The length?
29:59Rather than...
30:00She didn't know that there was going to be
30:01other people involved,
30:02and she didn't know it was going to be
30:03people dancing on her.
30:05Yeah.
30:06It was supposed to be a surprise.
30:07Yeah, it was supposed to be.
30:08Honestly, me even giving her a heads up
30:10was just like, hey,
30:11I just want to make sure
30:12if this is off the table at all,
30:13like, I know this was a heavy time for you.
30:15If it's off the table at all,
30:16and she was all for it.
30:17She was like, I love it.
30:18That's incredible.
30:19That's the best idea ever.
30:21It's going to come in, like, normal costume,
30:24rip it off into, like, a Chippendales.
30:26I love that.
30:27I can't believe Jen knew about it beforehand.
30:29I think it's absurd for Jen to now say
30:31that the prank wasn't okay.
30:32Especially now that we know for a fact
30:34that she told Jesse and Demi
30:35that she was completely on board.
30:36The more I hear about Jen recently,
30:38the less I'm starting to believe
30:39anything that she says.
30:41She made it sound like
30:42it was, like, this great idea,
30:43so I hope she just isn't, like,
30:44harboring more feelings
30:46because she tends to do that.
30:47And she did say that she was like,
30:48I did appreciate that Demi
30:49brought it up to me at all.
30:50I think she was just like,
30:51oh, I just wish that I would have known
30:52a little bit more extent of it.
30:54My life is definitely in chaos right now
30:57after the Chippendales prank
31:00and with Demi and Jesse
31:03interfering with mine and Zach's relationship.
31:06It's definitely caused more conflict between us
31:10and finding out that I'm pregnant
31:12as well as having a bit of an identity and faith crisis.
31:16I feel really lost
31:20and I'm hoping showing up tonight
31:22can show them that I'm really trying
31:25to put in that effort.
31:27And hopefully there's no more drama.
31:31Oh.
31:53Welcome.
31:57You know, I was considering wearing my Gurmys.
32:00As much as I want to talk to Jen tonight
32:02and I do want to clear the air,
32:03I'm looking around and we've got the sex expert
32:06who has prepared a whole night for us
32:08and everyone's excited to support Layla
32:11and tonight is obviously about Layla,
32:13so that conversation's unfortunately
32:15going to have to wait.
32:16Thank you for coming, everyone.
32:18You all look stunning, sexy, beautiful.
32:21I'd like to introduce you to Erica.
32:23She is a sex coach.
32:25Essentially, she is here to break the taboo.
32:28This remove-the-taboo party
32:30is a little edgy for Mormons, I will say.
32:32However, Mormons are a little bit freaky,
32:35like, in marriage.
32:37So, there are a plethora of items over here, ladies.
32:41If you've been to a sex shop,
32:42you know there's so much more available, right?
32:47Okay.
32:48Hey, ladies, I have a question for each one of you.
32:50So, I want you each to answer this, okay?
32:52Taylor, I'm gonna start with you.
32:53What arouses you?
32:55Um...
32:57The most?
32:58Mm-hmm.
32:59I love, like, a scenario in my head.
33:02Okay, so some fantasy play.
33:03Yes.
33:04Okay, that's awesome.
33:05How about for you?
33:06Um...
33:07I like dirty talk.
33:08Dirty talk.
33:10I hate dirty talk.
33:12What arouses you, Mikayla?
33:14Oh, I love massage.
33:17And also smell.
33:18I feel like smell is, you know, like sex smell.
33:20But, like, deodorant and perfume.
33:22Yeah, like the breath.
33:23Like, the smell.
33:24So, you're a sensual gal.
33:26Yeah, I know.
33:27I got my own sexual traumas next to me.
33:29Yeah.
33:30Layla, how about for you?
33:32Actually feeling something?
33:33Um, I don't know.
33:34Sure.
33:35Um...
33:36I like seeing, like, my partner.
33:38Okay.
33:39Like, connection.
33:40Maybe.
33:41Yeah.
33:42When, like, he's enjoying it, then I, like, enjoy it.
33:43Yeah, yeah.
33:44That's awesome.
33:45What about for you do you enjoy?
33:46What do you mean?
33:47Like, what about it for you that has nothing to do with him?
33:49What about you, like, feels good?
33:51Really?
33:52Yeah, yeah.
33:53I'm sure.
33:54I'm like, I don't know.
33:55I don't know.
33:56I think the fact that I'm not able to answer the question on what turns me on is kind of
34:00a big revelation for me.
34:01The fact that I can't even pinpoint what makes me aroused in a situation I think is a really
34:06big red flag.
34:07I think that's honestly maybe contributing to why I'm not able to enjoy sex fully is
34:12because I don't know what I like and don't like.
34:14We're our first sexual partners.
34:16So if we're not exploring our own bodies to kind of figure out what we like, what pleases
34:21us and what doesn't, then how are we to express that to our partners, right?
34:25We're going to do a little sensation play.
34:27Oh, I feel it.
34:28So if you would pair up, please.
34:30I'm at a swinger party right now.
34:32Woo!
34:33I'm kidding.
34:34So I want you to think about the most soft touch that you can give your partner.
34:38And then let her give you feedback on what feels good.
34:41Do you want it harder or softer?
34:44Whatever.
34:45Whatever.
34:46I mean, but I, sure, anything.
34:49So ladies.
34:50So what I'm doing is I'm asking Taylor if she wants it harder or softer.
34:54Ew, I hate this.
34:56I don't like this at all.
34:57Do you want to be scratched with it?
34:59Oh, I like that.
35:00Okay, so she likes to be scratched with it.
35:02Okay, you guys.
35:03Wow, we would hate that.
35:05I know, this is a little too intimate.
35:06McKaylee, are you ready to really bond?
35:08It's your intention.
35:09No, I don't like that.
35:11It feels like there's something curly on my face.
35:13I think when we get in a group, I think we truly have no boundaries.
35:17I think Macy needs to work on her feathering techniques, though,
35:20because it wasn't really doing anything for me.
35:22Having to feather my friend, that sounds so weird.
35:27Having to feather someone being like, how does that feel?
35:29Ew, I did not like that one bit.
35:31The one thing that happened today that I never want to think about again
35:34was definitely Miranda whipping me with a whip.
35:39It was definitely a little awkward for sure.
35:42I'm so straight, it's scary.
35:44Me too.
35:45It's scary.
35:46This is not about being straight.
35:49It's like just enjoying the feeling of it.
35:51You've kissed girls.
35:52I've never kissed a girl.
35:53Yeah, but I am so straight, too.
35:54I mean, I did not enjoy it, but it wasn't a turn-on.
35:58I just did it.
35:59It was just fine because you were drunk.
36:00Okay.
36:01Yeah.
36:02It's not that bad.
36:03I mean, Miranda's a great kisser.
36:04I've kissed a lot of girls, actually, in my life, and Miranda is a good kisser.
36:08But I do feel like Demi makes things like judgmental jokes
36:11where it's like an underlying message to you,
36:14and it's kind of like a light jab, but yeah, I do feel like she does that.
36:19Hey, so now, anyone wanting to be handcuffed with your ankles and your wrists?
36:24I'll do it, yeah.
36:25Sure.
36:26Where do you buy this?
36:27Can you buy it on Amazon?
36:28Nope.
36:29You can buy everything on Amazon.
36:30Yeah.
36:31I'm like, send me the link.
36:33Didn't think the first time I was getting tied up would be from a woman,
36:35but, you know.
36:37Taylor's face when she's like.
36:40I'm just learning new things.
36:42There we go.
36:43Okay.
36:44You're going to let me know how that feels, okay?
36:47Are you close to orgasming?
36:49Are you okay if I just hit you very lightly?
36:52No.
36:53Okay.
36:54And then you're going to tell me if you want me to go a little harder or a little softer.
36:59Give it to me, daddy.
37:01I feel like you need to be the one on here right now.
37:03Close your eyes.
37:04Close your eyes, sweetheart.
37:06Harder or softer?
37:08Harder.
37:09You like to be whipped.
37:12Yeah.
37:13I think something I took from the sex party is that I like it hard and rough.
37:17Moving forward, I'm going to be more open about trying things in sex and experimenting
37:21and just being more open and communicating when I'm having sex.
37:25I do feel hopeful that an orgasm is around the corner.
37:28Fingers crossed that it can happen soon.
37:30Are we going to eat the ass?
37:32Oh, yes.
37:34It's good luck.
37:36Yeah.
37:37Oh.
37:38Yeah, I like that.
37:39Oh, I like that.
37:40Sensual.
37:41Now that we've got the sex lesson out of the way, I think it's the perfect time to talk to Jen.
37:46I definitely want to talk to her about the whole chip and nail situation.
37:49I want to clear things up and just talk to her and figure out what went wrong.
37:53How are you and Zach?
37:54Jen?
37:55Jen?
37:56What?
37:57How are you and Zach doing?
37:58We're doing better as of right now, as of today.
38:02Good.
38:03Has it been like a long road?
38:05Yeah.
38:06Yeah, it's been a lot.
38:07I mean, yeah, it's been a lot.
38:10I do feel like, to me, she likes to talk a lot about projection, which is very funny
38:15because it's like when you're crying and kind of going at somebody, it's like a projection thing.
38:20So when she brings up Jen and Zach's relationship, you have to ask, like, what is it?
38:24Why do you care about theirs?
38:25I'd love to have a conversation with all of you, but I'm just trying to figure it out.
38:32So as of right now, I'm just keeping it between Zach and I, and that's what it is.
38:38At this point, I think Jen needs to be held accountable for all of the lies that are coming out.
38:43We know that they are not related to Ben Affleck.
38:45They're putting Chippendales on me and Demi.
38:47I think her feet need to be held to the fire, and she needs to own up to what she's lied about,
38:51take accountability so we can all move on.
39:01♪
39:17Oh, look, there's little name tags.
39:19Weren't you in charge of this seating thing?
39:21This is not going to work?
39:22What's wrong?
39:23Me across from Whitney?
39:24How would that not work?
39:26My two best friends.
39:28No.
39:29Tonight, I have invited all the girls out to dinner because I have super exciting news.
39:33I got a book deal less than a year ago.
39:36I launched Baby Mama, and it was an amazing experience.
39:39And now my book is about my life story because it is very traumatic, crazy, and unconventional,
39:46especially for, like, a Mormon.
39:47This has been a goal of mine since 2015, and I just wanted to use my voice to help other women.
39:52And what makes MomTalk great is that we have been able to inspire other women
39:55and bring them together in a form of community.
39:57And so for me, this book means so much more to me than anything that I've ever done
40:01or any goal that I've ever hit.
40:03It means the most.
40:04So I'm excited to tell the girls it's finally happening.
40:06I like to be next to me.
40:08I like Taylor here.
40:10Tensions in MomTalk have been really high.
40:12So I have to make sure that I'm seating everyone in the right spot so that a fight doesn't break out.
40:16No, don't switch with Jen.
40:17Switch Jen and Jessie.
40:19What about that?
40:20Like, Taylor gets along with everyone, so.
40:22I put Macy in charge of the seating arrangements because she knows the situation
40:25and relationships with everyone, but clearly she didn't do a good enough job.
40:28So I'm taking it upon myself to fix her seating disaster.
40:33It's impossible to seat these people for some reason.
40:37Hello.
40:38Hello.
40:39How are you?
40:40This is so beautiful.
40:42Yes.
40:43This dress was it.
40:44Do we have name cards?
40:46Yes.
40:47So if you don't like where you're sitting, you better change it ASAP before people come.
40:51I'm going to swap this real quick.
40:53Taylor and Miranda are crossing each other.
40:54And Whitney, so like they can talk.
40:55Yeah.
40:56These four love each other.
40:57I invited Whitney out to dinner with all the girls to celebrate as well because I know
41:00she's been wanting to get back into MomTalk.
41:02And I think having Whitney around the group more is a good test to see how she gets along
41:06with everyone in a group setting.
41:08Hi.
41:09This is so cool.
41:10Cute.
41:11I'm rooting for Whitney because I want her to like show like, yes, I've changed.
41:14I want to come to the group.
41:15I want to work on these relationships.
41:16And I think everyone deserves a second chance at the end of the day.
41:19Welcome in.
41:20Hi.
41:21Hi.
41:22Literally three days postpartum.
41:23I truly believe that when a group of women come together like this, there's nothing more
41:27powerful.
41:28But with Whitney, we're a little nervous that she's kind of coming back around and trying
41:32to hang out with us again.
41:33I think there's a lot of us questioning her intentions.
41:35We're not sure if she's trying to be back in MomTalk for clout or if her intentions
41:40are sincere.
41:41And look at your titties.
41:42They're huge.
41:43No, seriously, like if I leave.
41:44They're popping out.
41:45Don't be surprised.
41:46I'm so happy to be here at Macy's dinner.
41:48I'm so happy to see that we're rekindling that relationship.
41:52I heard about Layla's Remove the Taboo party from Jen, and I was a little surprised to
41:57hear that I wasn't invited.
41:59I'd like to think maybe it's because I just had baby Billy, but I think that like I'm
42:04just not there yet, maybe.
42:06I didn't know I was going to be like this.
42:08This is cute.
42:09Hey, guys.
42:10Wow.
42:11I wasn't sure if I was supposed to knock or what.
42:13Hello.
42:14Hi.
42:15This place is so cute.
42:17You're welcome.
42:18Okay.
42:20You guys want to hear why I brought you all here?
42:22Yes.
42:23We're dying.
42:24We want to celebrate with you guys because I got a book deal.
42:29Like officially like through a publisher?
42:31Yes.
42:32Yes.
42:33So I'm super excited.
42:34I've been working on this for so long, and I feel like I'm going to shit.
42:39It means so much to you.
42:40The reason why I'm running a book.
42:45I don't want snot coming out of my nose.
42:47This is amazing.
42:49So when I was first pregnant, I didn't know what I was doing with my life.
42:52My dad came into my room, and he handed this to me, and he said,
42:55write everything down, the good, the bad, the ugly, when you're mad,
42:58when you're sad, like when you hate us, when you love us,
43:00and maybe one day you can use it to help somebody else.
43:03And so I did, and I wrote like the darkest times of my life in here,
43:07and that was like one day I'm going to write a book.
43:10And so now it's happening.
43:12So like I feel like it's just a big full circle moment,
43:14and so I'm just really excited because it's probably the biggest goal
43:17I've ever had.
43:19I am so excited for Macy that she has this opportunity
43:23to tell her story in a book.
43:24I know it's something she's always wanted to do.
43:27People can be like, oh my gosh, like I'm going through the same thing.
43:30That's like what we're about in Mom Talk,
43:32is sharing all of your things out to the world.
43:35That is seriously so amazing.
43:38That is so cool.
43:39Thank you so much.
43:40I'm really excited, as you can tell, it's emotional because it's just like
43:43all my trauma.
43:44Your story is insane, and I'm excited to have your shot to tell your story.
43:47That is so cool.
43:48Thank you guys.
43:49So thanks for coming and celebrating and watching me cry.
43:53Demi seems a little maybe jealous that she's trying to hide it.
43:57Demi likes to put this up front that she's like this confident,
44:01put-together woman, but to be honest,
44:04I feel like she has more insecurities than anyone,
44:07and she's really good at hiding it.
44:09Can't wait to see who will be a best-selling author, babe.
44:11That's the goal, you guys.
44:13I'm putting up my vision board, so it's going to happen.
44:19You guys, I have something else exciting going on.
44:21I am hosting a celebrity pickleball tournament in Arizona.
44:26What does that mean?
44:27Celebrity pickleball.
44:28I guess they're inviting different kind of like celebrities,
44:30and they're playing a pickleball tournament.
44:32That's kind of a big deal.
44:33Are you playing in it?
44:34So are we all playing?
44:35You guys should come.
44:37If you want to come.
44:39Absolutely.
44:40Girls trade.
44:41That would be fun.
44:42That would be fun.
44:43Yeah.
44:44I am co-hosting the USA Pickleball Celebrity Match in Arizona,
44:47and I am so excited, and I thought,
44:49what a better way to get the girls together
44:51and do a little girls' trip.
44:52I'm already there.
44:53Our last girls' trip went pretty badly.
44:56A girls' trip.
44:57No boyfriends, no husbands.
44:59I did nothing wrong in this situation.
45:02So this will be a good way to do a do-over,
45:05get everyone together, and hopefully mend friendships.
45:08It's a horrible idea.
45:10Okay, you guys ready?
45:12We're playing a game.
45:14I'm confessing everything in this book,
45:17so now it's time for you guys to confess.
45:19It could be spicy, it could be about yourself,
45:21it could be something that you've held in that you've never told people,
45:23but tell us something of your truth.
45:25So it's a truth box.
45:26It's not the truth box.
45:27Do we have to guess who wrote it or no?
45:29It's all going to be anonymous.
45:31Oh, I bet it will.
45:32Just like the truth box was supposed to be?
45:36This is full 100% honesty tonight, okay?
45:39Honestly, yeah, a lot of what she does is trashy.
45:41Did I say that?
45:42You're being a bitch.
45:43I'm not the one that's going around trying to seduce other people's husband.
45:46I'm just hoping that this is a little bit more lighthearted
45:49and it doesn't end in tears.
45:51Are you ready for this, Miranda?
45:52Is this my initiation?
45:53This is the initiation, exactly.
45:55Welcome to MomTalk.
45:58I feel like I'm the only one that has a brain anymore.
46:01You should have it be something that no one knows publicly.
46:04This is probably not the best idea.
46:07I mean, it could be lighthearted if you wanted it to be,
46:09but also it could stir up some stuff.
46:12So many secrets.
46:13It's just going to stir up more shit that I'm going to have to deal with.
46:18Okay, you guys ready?
46:19You start.
46:20This is your night.
46:21I am trying to get pregnant.
46:25It's Whitney or Tyler for sure.
46:28I once had a man suck on my toes.
46:30Then I immediately left.
46:33I've had sex in five high school parking lots.
46:36Holy shit.
46:38Why would you look at me?
46:39She's like every high school I could think of.
46:41The first time I swallowed, I threw up immediately after.
46:46My favorite place to do it is in the swimming pool slash hot tub.
46:50Hashtag yummy.
46:51UTI.
46:53I'm like hashtag UTI.
46:56Oh no.
46:57I'm scared.
46:59I think Jen is fake.
47:02No.
47:11Okay, well this escalated quickly.
47:13I think the comment is either from Demi, Kayla, or Layla.
47:17Where are you in Dakota right now?
47:19We're not living together.
47:20So are you guys having sex?
47:24It's kind of hard to make casting when every time I open the internet,
47:27somebody's making blatantly explicit videos about me.
47:30If I want to make videos about you, I can do that.
47:32Because you're not my friend.
47:35Jen's my new Whitney.
47:36So it's like at what point are you just not going to look like a liar?
47:39Like it's that.
47:40If they have an issue with me, I would like to confront them.
47:43Some things went down in Italy.
47:44She was literally playing truth or dare with a ton of single men.
47:48If you ask her about the confession that Macy got with her...