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00:00The Vocal Duo of the Year goes to...
00:02♪♪
00:06-♪♪
00:08-♪♪
00:12Hi, guys. I'm here with the CMAs.
00:14I got invited to present an award.
00:17Taylor right here.
00:18Taylor right here.
00:19Taylor, one more time. Look right here.
00:20And onto the red carpet, the girl.
00:22I'm like, I'm so sorry. I'm so nervous.
00:24She's like, we are so excited you're here.
00:26I was just in shock. I'm like, how?
00:27Why? Of all people, like, Luke Bryan's, like,
00:29right next to me, and it was just insane.
00:31It was the coolest experience.
00:33♪♪
00:35Taylor, what do you think about our show,
00:37The Secret Lives of Country Music Wives?
00:40I love it. What could possibly go wrong?
00:43♪♪
00:45I posted about my CMAs.
00:47Not a single one of my friends from MomTalk
00:49said a single thing about it or commented.
00:51To hear nothing, like, what the fuck?
00:54I just had never seen such silence on a post.
00:58After Friendsgiving, I thought we were good,
01:00but I have noticed claws are always out recently.
01:04I do not think that MomTalk is living up to
01:07the supportive outlet that I thought we all had.
01:11So I feel like I have every right to speak my feelings.
01:15I'm going to defend myself against all of them
01:17if I have to.
01:19We have some new MomTalk drama.
01:21It was awkward that every single one of my friends
01:24was silent. I remember seeing her, like, post
01:27no one was supporting me.
01:29And then they're all responding, being like,
01:30are you crazy? Like, we definitely did.
01:32They're posting screenshots. They're posting, like,
01:34screenshots.
01:35I mean, it's, like, this whole thing.
01:37The MomTalk feud has now officially reached
01:39a new level of insanity
01:41because Demi has now gone off the rails.
01:44Demi said, Macy, please, let's not feed
01:46the extremely large ego.
01:48You don't need her, baby.
01:49Contrary to what she tries to make us all believe.
01:52The women are fighting each other in the comments
01:54of a post that was posted by the official
01:57Secret Lives of MormonWives social media page.
02:00MomTalk.
02:01Oh, my God, MormonWives.
02:02Will it survive?
02:05Come ye saints and come ye sinners
02:08Alleluia
02:12Listen up
02:14I'm the one you've been dreaming of
02:18I got everything you could ever want
02:22Drive me in your seat
02:23I'll bring you to your knees
02:25Baby, you're gonna believe
02:27Make us not into temptation
02:47I'm so tired of calling back and forth
02:50I'm so tired of calling back and forth
02:53I'm so tired of calling back and forth
02:55Hello.
02:56It smells so good.
02:57It smells like Christmas.
02:58Yeah, it does smell like Christmas.
03:00Cute.
03:02Welcome.
03:03It smells so good in here.
03:04Do you guys want some hot cocoa?
03:06Yes.
03:07Taylor posting on her story about how
03:09none of us supported her on her CMAs post is crazy.
03:12Like, did we not all just have, like,
03:14a kumbaya moment at Friendsgiving?
03:16It seems to be a running pattern
03:18that wherever Taylor is, chaos follows.
03:21Guys, what the hell?
03:23What the hell is going on?
03:26When I first saw her story, I thought it was a joke.
03:28I thought it was, like, a satire, like, funny thing.
03:31Because I'm like, why wouldn't you, like,
03:32message us in a group chat being like,
03:34hey, like, did you not see the post?
03:37Or, like, I don't know, it just felt weird.
03:38This whole situation is very confusing,
03:40I feel like, for all of us,
03:41because we were just rallying around Taylor
03:43at Friendsgiving,
03:44and so I genuinely thought it was a joke.
03:46But at the same time, I was like,
03:48hmm, after seeing more stories,
03:49I don't think this is a joke.
03:51There was a lot of backlash online of people being like,
03:53you're a fake friend to Taylor,
03:54you don't even support her, blah, blah, blah.
03:56I'm like, I know for a fact I texted her the day of CMAs
03:58being like, hey, I'm so proud of you,
04:00love you, you're gonna kill it.
04:02So her being upset about us not commenting on her post
04:05is definitely throwing us all through a loop.
04:08I saw her post, I was literally at a date with Jacob,
04:11so I liked it, and I was like,
04:12oh, maybe I'll comment later, but I forgot.
04:13Yeah.
04:14Like, it had been 23 hours.
04:15I hadn't even seen the post, and to be honest,
04:17I'm like, she doesn't message us back for five days,
04:19so maybe give it five days and not 24 hours.
04:22Yeah, that's true.
04:23That's what I said to her.
04:24I genuinely did not see the post.
04:25I was out with my family Friday night.
04:27I don't think she's coming to my last few posts.
04:29I keep tallies of who's commenting and who's not.
04:31I feel like that's weird.
04:32I feel like she makes these posts
04:33without thinking a lot of the time.
04:35Like, even with the Swinger stuff,
04:37she did post things, and she's like,
04:38oh, I didn't think about it before I posted it.
04:40Taylor hides behind her page being mostly satire,
04:44and I think it's bullshit.
04:46You can't say whatever the hell you want,
04:48post whatever you want,
04:49and then make a joke that hurts somebody,
04:51and then not expect people to react,
04:53and then not expect consequences.
04:55It's not okay.
04:57At this point, I truly view Taylor
04:59as a liability to MomTalk,
05:01and I just think she's a loose cannon.
05:03From going on a live stream
05:05and throwing everyone under the bus
05:06for the swinging scandal
05:08to going on about the CMAs
05:10and trying to make everyone look bad,
05:12although I feel like Taylor
05:13is kind of viewed as the leader,
05:15to me, I don't think she is qualified in any way
05:18and honestly hasn't been
05:20throughout the entirety of MomTalk.
05:21She wanted everyone to feel the hurt that she felt,
05:24so now all her minions go out,
05:26and they go, and they comment on all of our shit,
05:28and they're like, you're a terrible friend.
05:30This is why she hasn't been coming around.
05:31You're all bullies.
05:32You don't invite her,
05:33and what are we gonna do?
05:36Too much water?
05:37Ew, it tastes like dirt.
05:39It's too healthy.
05:40You're expecting a yummy hot chocolate?
05:42That's not what it is.
05:43Wow, that's disappointing.
05:44And it tastes like tree bark.
05:46But, yeah.
05:48Like, it's so dumb.
05:49That's the thing is,
05:50I feel like it doesn't affect me
05:51because I'm like, I know it's not true.
05:52We're getting thousands of comments and DMs
05:55telling us that we're mean girls
05:56and we're bad friends,
05:57and that was frustrating
05:59considering how much energy
06:01I have put into Taylor and our friendship.
06:03I message her multiple times a week.
06:05I try to send her cookies and dinners
06:07and Starbucks and coffee,
06:09and then for her to go on publicly
06:11and blast it to her 4 million followers,
06:14it feels unwarranted and very unfair.
06:16She hyperfixates on one problem.
06:18She does it with her relationship with Dakota, right?
06:20Mm-hmm.
06:21But, like, in this situation,
06:22she's hyperfixated on, like,
06:23the social media aspect of it all.
06:25Like, she's not really listening
06:26to the other parts, like, points that you're making,
06:28and it's like, social media, social media.
06:30It's like she can't get that out of her brain.
06:31Like, no matter how many times that's said to her,
06:33she doesn't really see it.
06:35Whatever you want to call it,
06:37narcissism, a disconnect in the brain,
06:39not fully matured, there is something going on.
06:42And I'm so sick of the narrative
06:44of everyone else is doing this
06:46when Taylor's ruining her own goddamn life.
06:48Every single problem that's been brought into her life
06:50has been because of her.
06:51And somehow we're all being villainized now,
06:53and she's willing to throw us all under the bus.
06:55We're supposed to now bow down to the leader
06:58who brought us this opportunity
06:59when we're getting treated like shit online and public.
07:02I want to hear what she's thinking.
07:03This drama couldn't have come at a worse time
07:06because me and Jessie are hosting a party
07:08with Baby Mama and JT Styles next week.
07:10In the past, in MomTalk, it was Sinners vs. Saints.
07:13So that is the theme for the event.
07:15We are inviting MomTalk supporters,
07:16and so I feel like it's really important for all of us girls
07:19to kind of show a united front
07:20and be friendly and cordial to each other.
07:23So I want to sit down with Taylor
07:25and kind of talk some sense into her.
07:27Anyways, I'm gonna dump this out.
07:29It was great.
07:30Okay, well, thanks for coming over, guys.
07:32I keep getting whiffs of it, and I'm like...
07:35♪♪♪
07:40Yeah.
07:42And oranges!
07:45Ah!
07:47Hello!
07:48Hi.
07:49How's it going?
07:50Good, how are you?
07:52Good.
07:53Come on in.
07:54Bob the Builder's here.
07:55Yay!
07:56I've been needing help, so...
07:58Hi, my little little bug.
08:00Dakota's coming to grab him, so I'm just waiting on him.
08:03I'm gonna pack him up.
08:04Ah!
08:07Okay, let's go.
08:08Hi.
08:09Hi!
08:10How are you?
08:11Good, how are you?
08:12What's up, porn stash?
08:14Do you like it?
08:15Um, he will not go down, and he's been fussy, so...
08:17It's because he was excited to see us.
08:20Bye, buddy.
08:21I love you.
08:22With all the drama going on with MomTalk,
08:24it's been really hard to give Dakota an answer right now
08:28on his ultimatum.
08:30I just feel conflicted between walking
08:32and staying in this relationship
08:34where I know we're both toxic together.
08:36He's saying, like, if you can't give me 100% commitment,
08:39then I have to start moving on with my life,
08:41because we've been at this for two years, so...
08:43This decision has been weighing on me.
08:45I'm just trying to, like, think about ever
08:47and what is best for all of us,
08:49but I don't know how single moms out there do it.
08:52I'm just grateful for my family.
08:54They have been a saving grace.
08:56I need to hear about all your so-called friends.
08:59Yeah.
09:00Come tell me.
09:01It's been a shit show.
09:02Not a single one of my friends said anything
09:04on my CMA post, which I thought, in my head,
09:07that's a big night for me.
09:09And I feel like that's just not normal
09:11for, like, not a single one to say anything.
09:13I feel like this is, like, a cool accomplishment.
09:15Like, I've never done something like this,
09:17and to hear nothing from my friends,
09:19this is our job, this is what we do,
09:21this is what we love, it's our passion.
09:22Yes, they did support me in other ways,
09:24like, text me, hey, good luck with the CMAs.
09:26How's the CMAs?
09:27Like, privately, some of them.
09:29But when it came to, like, publicly,
09:31not a single one said anything.
09:32And if my dad didn't see it,
09:33or someone that isn't on social media all the time,
09:36that makes sense to me.
09:37But in mom talk, that's, like, what we're about
09:40is supporting each other privately and publicly.
09:43I didn't, like, handle it how I probably should have,
09:46but in the moment, I was just frustrated,
09:47and I was like, I'll be petty, too, and so I posted it.
09:49Demi was like, I guess we're supposed to bow down to Taylor.
09:52Like, she's the queen.
09:53Like, we missed one thing.
09:54Like, they were all freaking out about it and coming at me.
09:58So I just felt very attacked.
09:59It was like a game of, like,
10:00basically me against all of them, I feel like.
10:03Oh, she's the one that I just seen the most.
10:06Oh, yeah, Demi made herself look like a fool
10:09because she just, like, was bullying me.
10:11She wants to be queen bee.
10:13Demi went as far as calling me a narcissist,
10:16a manipulator, a gaslighter.
10:18I only tell half-truths to people.
10:20I twist things to make them look like they're one thing
10:22but they're another.
10:23I'm calculated.
10:24Anything you can think of,
10:26she pretty much said on the Internet.
10:28Anyone that bullied me, she, like, supported it,
10:30and then she kind of, like, fed into it a lot.
10:32This was from IG.
10:33Someone had commented,
10:34Taylor was a bad friend.
10:35She was only super nice because she was pregnant.
10:38Demi comments, ding, ding, ding.
10:40You can tell by some of the comments that Demi has written
10:42that she has never cared about her friendship with Taylor.
10:45Oh, sweetie, honey girl.
10:47The other way around.
10:48She has never been a friend to me or anyone in the cast
10:51All of her relationships are transactional.
10:53I don't know why it got to that.
10:55It's like, are you waiting for a weak moment of mine
10:59for my downfall?
11:00And I really think that's what it was.
11:01She saw a weak moment.
11:02Everyone's mad at Taylor for taking her down.
11:05Do you think that you deserve to go
11:08and have such an amazing event, though, at the CMAs?
11:12I don't know.
11:13When we were in first class and we were eating,
11:16I, like, was, like, wanting to cry.
11:19Really?
11:20I was like, why am I sitting here?
11:22Why?
11:23Is it becoming reality?
11:26No.
11:27It's like, why do I deserve to be here
11:29eating this food on first class?
11:31Like, that's in my head.
11:32But why not?
11:33Why not you?
11:36Because the swinging scandal.
11:39Get over that.
11:40Because you know what?
11:41The entire family, we don't care about it.
11:44The only person that hasn't forgiven you is yourself.
11:48Mm-hmm.
11:49I never want you to feel like that you are trash
11:52or, like, your daughter of God
11:54to be picked out of all these other, like,
11:57reality stars, movie stars.
11:59On the red carpet, I got tears, like, in my eyes
12:01because it's like you've made it, you know?
12:03My phone was blowing up, like, oh, my gosh, your daughter.
12:07And I'm like, that's freaking cool.
12:08You should have seen us.
12:09We were having, like, this freaking...
12:11Super Bowl party.
12:12Super Bowl party.
12:14You ended up pulling yourself out of, like, that darkness.
12:17Mm-hmm.
12:18And I think that's exciting.
12:19That's something that you should, like, be proud of.
12:22I felt undeserving of that moment, actually.
12:25I'm like, I don't actually deserve to be here
12:27and treated like this.
12:28Like, it actually really makes me feel good.
12:30Like, I don't feel good about myself.
12:32I already feel, like, trash because of swinging scandal.
12:35It's what I'm known for.
12:36But the other girls not commenting on my post,
12:39it made me question if I deserved it even more.
12:42It's like, if that's what you think of me,
12:44then that, like, confirms, like, what I think of me, you know?
12:47There's nothing in this world
12:50that would ever change the way that I feel about you.
12:53With Mom Talk, I look back at to the times of where it started
12:56and hope for that again.
12:58But right now, I do feel like I don't know
13:00who actually is my friend,
13:01and that's what I need to figure out.
13:03You deserve all the happiness in this world,
13:06and you need to feel that, you know?
13:08You need to feel that love.
13:18♪ Everybody's telling me I gotta act right ♪
13:21♪ Sit right, talk right ♪
13:23♪ I can't handle it, there's no way... ♪
13:27Do this.
13:29Curious to hear her perspective.
13:31I'll move to the back so that she can sit in the front
13:34so we can interrogate her.
13:35Oh, no, not the interrogation.
13:37Taylor can be erratic sometimes,
13:40and a lot of people in our group can, actually,
13:42so it's not just her.
13:43But I feel like me and McKayla are her closest friends
13:46and mom talk and understand her more.
13:48Even though I don't think Taylor had bad intentions towards us,
13:51like, this is a situation
13:52that I feel like I can't be on her side with.
13:54I don't feel like I'm, like, all the way on Demi's side
13:56because it's a bit strong.
13:57I feel like I'm still kind of in the middle,
13:58but I'm like, Taylor, you're wrong in this situation.
14:00Hello.
14:01Hello.
14:02Look who it is.
14:03I got a little bit of a mess.
14:04Make it an appearance.
14:05It's not the kid toy.
14:06Oh, I actually like that set.
14:07She's like, it's my anxiety toy when I get anxious.
14:11Anyways.
14:13Anyways.
14:15I need to get a quesadilla.
14:17I'm so hungry.
14:18I could die.
14:19Can I do a 12-ounce hot chocolate with hazelnut?
14:22Make that two.
14:23Two of those.
14:24You want one?
14:25Have a good rest of the day.
14:26Yes, thank you.
14:27You too.
14:28See ya.
14:29This is good as hell.
14:30This is so good.
14:31Really?
14:32You want to try it?
14:33Oh, yeah.
14:34Isn't that good?
14:35It's like a chocolate shake.
14:36No, it's like a milkshake.
14:37So how is everybody feeling?
14:40I feel fine.
14:41I bet you do.
14:43So I'm sorry that I feel fine.
14:45I would do it again.
14:47Curious, why though?
14:49Because that's how I felt.
14:51Everyone saw my story that day, and no one said a thing.
14:55That, to me, is telling.
14:57The silence was loud.
14:58Any one of you would think the exact same thing.
15:00I don't care what you guys say.
15:01There's no way that eight out of eight girls were not on their phones for 24 hours and didn't see it.
15:05I think it's safe to say that.
15:07It's such an isolated event of just one post that people didn't comment on that one time,
15:12and then to publicly go out and be like, hey, basically, no matter how you worded it,
15:17made us look like bad friends.
15:19Yeah.
15:20And then we're getting comments saying, oh, well, you guys are mean girls because you don't support your friends.
15:23And we're saying, well, that's not true because we're texting her.
15:25We're DMing her.
15:26We're going out of our way to see how she's doing.
15:28So people don't know the whole story that a good amount of people reached out to you.
15:32But then I explained.
15:33I literally was just like, I don't care.
15:35But then I explained.
15:36I literally was just like, I think a lot of these girls are supportive.
15:40I was just taken aback by the fact that not a single one said a word.
15:44And I thought it was weird.
15:45That's it.
15:46I know.
15:47But I think the aspect that I'm confused about is does it matter if it's online or does it matter if it's in our real life?
15:53Because I'm like, we've had those conversations.
15:56I think both it matters.
15:57For me, private support is way more important than social media support when it comes to my friendships
16:03and the genuine friendships that I care about.
16:05I'd much rather have a close circle of the people that actually know me behind the scenes and have that support.
16:11But I feel like Taylor is the complete opposite.
16:13And I'd rather be going online and getting it from strangers on the Internet.
16:17Whatever is going on online doesn't matter because it's also like you have to separate the two.
16:21This is still your real life and your real friendships that are being hurt as well.
16:25Yeah.
16:26Were you annoyed or hurt?
16:27Well, it annoyed me.
16:28It definitely hurt some people.
16:29But you guys.
16:31Did it hurt you guys?
16:32No, but it's also telling to me like, oh, damn.
16:34Like how quick it was to throw us all under the bus with no context, no warning.
16:40Okay.
16:41So next time just send you a warning of what I'm going to post.
16:43Well, not necessarily.
16:46Are you listening to anything we're saying?
16:48Yeah.
16:49I honestly don't think you guys thought it was that deep.
16:51Just like me.
16:52Even if I was like, yeah, it was petty.
16:53It was funny.
16:54If I saw that it was hurting people, I would still be like, you know what?
16:57I am sorry that I did that.
16:58Like I can still feel empathy for people that I've hurt.
17:02My CMA post.
17:03I felt my feelings were valid.
17:05That's how I felt.
17:06I was petty and I posted it.
17:07That was my bad.
17:08End of story.
17:09But listening to what Michaela is saying and hearing that they were bullied online,
17:13I am sorry that that is happening.
17:16I know I'm going to see everyone at the Saints and Sinners party.
17:19And before that, me and Layla are going to New York for a brand trip.
17:22So maybe I should apologize for being petty about the post.
17:25Just hone on to your empath side, you know?
17:28And we're in the wrong of posting it and grouping everybody in.
17:32You know?
17:33I know.
17:34I agree that you feel that way.
17:36Shut up.
17:37Get out.
17:38Sorry if I didn't say what you guys wanted to hear.
17:40I want you to actually feel it.
17:42Okay.
17:43And coming from a place of I do feel bad.
17:45Maybe I just need to go home and think.
17:47Love you guys.
17:48I know you don't love me, but it's fine.
17:50No one said that.
17:59Oh, goodness.
18:01Thank you so much.
18:03We're here.
18:05I feel like things are a little contentious still in mom talk,
18:08but today I'm forgetting all that because Jacob and I are in San Diego
18:12to do a frozen embryo transfer.
18:14I've been on hormones for a long time, going through IVF, under the radar.
18:17None of the girls know.
18:18Hi, how are you?
18:19Good to see you again.
18:20I want to avoid those questions where it's like, oh, did you transfer?
18:23Are you pregnant?
18:24It's like so many questions that get overwhelming when you're going through IVF.
18:27We're like 30 minutes behind.
18:29Okay, left side.
18:30Okay.
18:31Give me a three, two, one.
18:32Three, two, one.
18:35Okay, that's not too bad.
18:37It is a very personal journey, and so we decided to keep it private.
18:40Oh, I see.
18:42See, you're done with your embryo.
18:44Oh, there it is.
18:46I'm injecting.
18:49You see that?
18:51Yeah.
18:53So the dot is the air bubble that identifies where the embryo is placed.
18:58The embryo is right in there.
19:01Okay.
19:02Oh, crazy.
19:03Good luck to you both.
19:04Thank you so much.
19:05I have never heard of the church having a stance on IVF,
19:08and if anything, I think they're happy because the more babies, the better.
19:12Mormons have a lot of kids,
19:13so I think it's something that they would never discourage.
19:15This is the start of a new life.
19:22Okay.
19:27Aw.
19:36Just having Carlos brought so much joy.
19:40And then now thinking about another one, another baby, it's a lot.
19:46Aw, you're so excited, baby.
19:49Yeah.
19:52I love you.
19:55I love you.
19:56Thanks for being the best, most supportive.
19:58Of course.
20:00I'm not going to lie, I feel like my life is going really good right now.
20:04However, I am worried for this Saints and Sinners party.
20:07It's coming up, and it's going to be the first time we're all going to be together since the CMA drama.
20:12When they're mad, both Demi and Taylor can fight really dirty,
20:16and I just feel like in my soul that it's going to be brutal.
20:20But I'm really trying to focus on staying stress-free
20:23because this IVF transfer is what matters the most to us right now.
20:27Are you excited?
20:29Yes.
20:48Tonight is Macy and Jessie's Saints and Sinners party,
20:51but today me and Taylor are in New York City to work on a really fun brand deal.
20:55Hi.
20:56How are you?
20:57Good to see you.
20:58And we're going to shoot a commercial for them
21:00and shoot some billboard pictures for them that will be in Times Square.
21:08It's super fun.
21:09I'm so happy that opportunities like this come from being on MomTalks.
21:14All right, next look.
21:16How do you think it's going to go tonight?
21:17Horrible.
21:18It's a bloodbath, for sure.
21:20I'm scared for you, to be honest.
21:22After hearing what Macy and Mikayla said, then I started to feel bad,
21:26so I decided to make an apology text.
21:33Immediately after I sent my apology,
21:35Demi sends a chapter book of how she does not accept my apology
21:39and goes on to say why.
21:47The group message ended up in a war zone, honestly,
21:49because Demi, she's still going off, and I'm like,
21:53okay, the girl needs to let it go.
21:54Like, what do you want me to do?
22:04I think she wants me to kiss her feet.
22:06Not happening, so let's move on.
22:09You posted the thing, but it was one single story,
22:11and it blew up into something that, in my opinion,
22:13I don't think it needed to go to.
22:16Zoom in on that.
22:18I don't know.
22:19I think there's parts of it that Demi is valid in,
22:24but the level that she's taking it to online,
22:26I think that's where I draw the line.
22:28Initially, I was freaking mad at Taylor,
22:30but she apologized in the group chat, and I feel like she does feel bad,
22:34so I'm going to let it go and kind of move past it.
22:36I would normally be more loyal to Demi.
22:39I do have a closer relationship with Demi than Taylor,
22:41but in this situation, I do feel like Demi took it too far.
22:44I feel like she was approaching the level of bullying,
22:46so kind of fucked up on Demi's part.
22:49Speaking of Demi, before we came here, she texted me,
22:53and she asked me how much I was making on this brand deal.
22:56And I didn't text her back, because I just feel like
23:00we all kind of learned our lesson with Demi,
23:03that when it comes to money, you don't bring it up,
23:06because she doesn't handle money really well.
23:09I definitely do think that Demi is a little power hungry.
23:12I think after seeing how well this last experience went for her
23:16and how much love she got online
23:18and how she was definitely a fan favorite,
23:21I think it kind of went to her head.
23:23You think you deserve the biggest brand deal.
23:25I'm curious to why you think you deserve that.
23:27It's not a shock that I was a fan favorite.
23:29Like, I feel like I'm an asset. I should fight for more.
23:31She kind of wants to be the forefront and center of things,
23:35so I definitely think she took it to heart
23:37when Taylor was asked to do the Sea Maze, and she wasn't.
23:40But I just think that we need to celebrate
23:42each other's wins in this group.
23:43There's going to be opportunities that some of us get
23:45that some of us don't get, and if we harp
23:47and we focus on every single thing that we're not getting,
23:50this is just going to be so toxic
23:52and just not a healthy environment to be in,
23:54so I really think she needs to get over herself with that.
23:57Demi says an atomic bomb is coming for me.
24:00I cannot. She's like, an atomic bomb?
24:03Yeah, it was like...
24:04Taylor is so scared.
24:05She's shaking in her boots right now.
24:07Yeah, sweaty palms.
24:08Sweaty palms.
24:09I feel like, honestly, not validating what you did, but like...
24:13I mean, it's very on brand for you.
24:16Okay, well, I'll see if you keep that same energy tonight
24:19when I'm being attacked.
24:20I mean, don't.
24:21What do you mean?
24:22When I'm being attacked.
24:23Oh, I'll be standing up for you.
24:25I want to hear you say that.
24:26I will.
24:27I am dreading to come back to the Saints and Sinners party
24:32because I just know I'm going to be in the hot seat,
24:37but I do want to go support Macy and Jessie in this.
24:40Demi, in the group message, said,
24:42you're bringing a BB gun to an atomic bomb that's coming for you.
24:45Basically trying to scare me to not go,
24:47or like, I should be afraid, but I'm going in there.
24:50I'm not afraid, and if anything, that fueled me more.
24:55We are eight days post-transfer,
24:57and we decided we're going to take a little pregnancy test.
25:02I'm scared.
25:04Three, two, one.
25:07Wait.
25:09Put it to the camera.
25:10I can't see it.
25:12Okay.
25:14Oh, my gosh.
25:20I'm so excited.
25:24I love you so much.
25:26I love you too.
25:29We're so excited.
25:31We're pregnant, we're in the hospital,
25:33and we're going to give birth.
25:35We're going to get a little baby.
25:37It's two weeks old, and it's a tiny baby.
25:42excited we're pregnant and honestly we couldn't be happier after all the
25:46sacrifice being on hormones for months and in three weeks it should have a
25:51heartbeat so we're not out of the woods yet it's still scary but it's exciting
25:56exciting I'm so excited can you believe it I'm pregnant I think the hardest part
26:06of this journey though is gonna be keeping it a secret from all my nosy
26:09little friends I love you mm-hmm it's really hard to keep a secret cuz I'm
26:13excited so I don't know how I'm gonna do it especially because I feel like the
26:17group prize they can read things pretty well but I'm gonna have to hide it a
26:21little bit longer this is my cute little baby mama
26:40yeah it's been really nice just kind of like getting away from all the drama
26:45back home just being able to just kind of like just talk us to I know you're
26:51close with to me and Jesse look it's okay like if you also like don't agree
26:55with everything they're doing and you want to take a step back yeah like I
26:58feel like my issue is that I let other people dictate how I feel about somebody
27:03so like because I was closer with to me and Jesse at one point they would tell
27:07me things about like what you were doing or like what Jen was doing and I
27:11would just take their side automatically because they're my friend to me as a very
27:16passionate person that goes very hard at somebody when they do her wrong in her
27:21eyes and she definitely pushes her narrative of how she feels on that
27:26person to everybody who's done it to Jen now she's doing it to Taylor looking
27:29back I got sucked into her negative mindset towards Jen and now it seems
27:34like Demi wants us to choose between Taylor or her which I think is a load of
27:39bullshit but I also terrified of Demi stressing me out I'm breaking up
27:44because of it right now
27:47Oh
28:03tonight is Saints and Sinners and things with mom talk right now have been super
28:09heavy the whole Taylor incident kind of felt like a big slop in the face I will
28:13always be that voice of like hey this is not okay and if you're going to act
28:17the way that you're acting you're gonna get called out how are you doing this
28:21has been so much yeah like more than I would like to admit I'm like embarrassed
28:28to admit how much time this and energy this is like I'm exhausted and I feel
28:34like this has triggered so much that I like need to address in that moment of
28:39you being so upset for 22 hours when we have all had moments of being upset with
28:43Taylor I know and we haven't reacted I know it just was like whoa this drama
28:48that's going on is crazy Taylor sent an apology text to me got very
28:54heated and then it just turned into a whole shit show I do think to me didn't
28:57take it too far sometimes like when I found out about to me like threatening a
29:01cease and desist against Jen I was like shocked apparently Demi is going out of
29:06her way to get a cease and desist to try to keep Jen and other people from
29:10talking about it in this instance I can see where she's coming from and why this
29:14is upsetting her so much because I know almost every single person in mom talk
29:18did in fact reach out to Taylor and it's validating to have somebody see my
29:23perspective as to why I've always felt like Taylor doesn't know how to be a
29:27friend it's so frustrating to like have the
29:30narratives be spun and things that are not true like when the swinging stuff
29:34came out I had my stepkids coming home from school having people bully them
29:38being like you owe your hot stepmom like she swings like tell her to call
29:41me and then look how it continues to happen it continues to happen yeah I
29:46feel like again I have to walk on eggshells around you like that's not a
29:49friendship that yeah I don't think anyone would want yep watching Taylor's
29:55behavior and seeing it kind of unfold on a personal level I'm understanding a
30:00little bit more as to why Whitney kept her distance from her and why she had
30:04such strong opinions about her how are you feeling about seeing Taylor tonight
30:08not good yeah I already know that I'm in a triggered state this has been the
30:15wildest switch up of all for me seeing Whitney's support but I really do think
30:19she is learning and growing whereas with Taylor I think that she thinks that
30:23we're just gonna be like okay awesome you started this so do whatever you want
30:27and I think we're all kind of over that like you are not in a position of power
30:31sit down I appreciate you seeing the full picture and like helping me through
30:37it it means a lot
30:45I value our friendship right now so I'm gonna give you my group chat that has
30:53made to me Jesse Macy and Mikayla in it you want to read it talking behind each
30:58other's backs is kind of the opposite of what mom talks is supposed to stand
31:01for so I want to show Taylor the group chat messages so that she could see what
31:05she's walking into tonight here it is kind of a lot okay but I don't know I
31:12don't think I said anything too harsh but no thank you
31:21the text thread that I'm reading is harsh because I'm pretty much being
31:27called anything you can think of in there how dumb I am how like did she not
31:33see like she's the problem now we see what Dakota deals with yeah it's sad to
31:39see if this is like mean girl behavior like it's gross it was a full-on bully
31:44thread and it got worse because Demi is trying to get all the girls to go
31:49against me I don't feel like those girls even realized Demi's true colors and
31:54especially Jesse she's just a loyal friend to Demi but there's more that I
31:58know about Demi that I could tell Jesse to kind of just be like open your eyes
32:02and they can think whatever they want about me but I don't sit there and talk
32:06about my friends like that they'll never see receipts like that for me so okay
32:11Demi you have an atomic bomb coming for me bring it cuz I have one too
32:24I want to live here like it's perfect I know you too we're like the perfect
32:51opposites of each other tonight's the Saints and Sinners party it's Macy and
32:56I are doing it as a combined business party for both of our companies I have
33:00JZ styles it's a hair care brand and Macy has baby mama which is supplements
33:04and we thought it would be a really cool way to show that two women
33:07entrepreneurs can empower each other and also involve the community I know it's
33:11gonna be an incredible night for our businesses but I also know that there's
33:15going to be drama we haven't all been together in a room since the CMAs
33:19situation and I'm still very much upset with Taylor so tensions are gonna be
33:23high and this could be explosive oh we need to do that tick-tock okay
33:30how do you think tonight's gonna go I just hope Taylor's accountable I hope
33:55that she owns her stuff there will be some accountability but it won't be a
33:58full accountability in my opinion look so cute I'm tired yeah I'm tired I'm
34:04tired of trying to hide this pregnancy you can't you said that so no people can
34:12read your lips right now people can read your lips I'm tired I'm going to T to
34:17you don't say anything I'm not no hold on don't say anything
34:23Jacob, you think this is my first rodeo?
34:26Looks like it.
34:27Oh my gosh.
34:28You fine, I'm fine.
34:29Look at us.
34:30You grind, I grind.
34:31Hi, how are you?
34:32Oh my gosh, look at you guys.
34:33Look at us.
34:34We look good together.
34:35They gonna get mad cause we do it.
34:36Look at you.
34:37Are you a saint or a sinner?
34:38I can't decide.
34:39I'm both.
34:40You're both.
34:41Hi, nice to meet you.
34:42Alright you guys, we just wanted...
34:43Oh.
34:44Hello.
34:45Oh, here it goes.
34:47Hi you guys.
34:48We just wanted to welcome you to the Saints and Sinners party hosted by Jay-Z Styles.
34:51And Baby Mama.
34:52Thank you guys so much for coming.
34:53It means the world to us that you are here celebrating with us.
34:54We just want you guys to have fun tonight and also make sure you get some good photos
34:55to document the night.
34:56Thank you guys.
34:57We love you all.
34:58Bye.
34:59Bye.
35:00Bye.
35:01Bye.
35:02Bye.
35:03Bye.
35:04Bye.
35:05Bye.
35:06Bye.
35:07Bye.
35:08Bye.
35:09Bye.
35:10Bye.
35:11Bye.
35:12Bye.
35:13Bye.
35:14Bye.
35:15Bye.
35:41Dakota is with me tonight.
35:43He wanted to come support me.
35:45given he knows I'm going to be attacked.
35:48Dakota and I, we're not officially together,
35:50but he still is nice and sticks by my side,
35:53so I appreciate the support from him.
35:56What up?
35:58I haven't gotten a clear answer from the ultimatum,
36:03but the biggest reason why I'm going to the Saints and Sinners
36:05party is because with all of the drama going on right now,
36:09Taylor is kind of alone.
36:10And so I just want to let her know that I always
36:14have her back.
36:15But it is weird because none of the MomTalk girls commented.
36:19I noticed it, and I wasn't even trying to notice that.
36:22Sure, they can say, like, I was busy that day,
36:25and it's like, nah.
36:27You were on your phone, you suck.
36:29How was New York?
36:31A blur.
36:32I'm running off, no sleep and no food.
36:34I'm not doing well right now.
36:35However, I wanted to come tonight
36:36and support my friends, unlike some other people.
36:40Let's not lump everyone in again.
36:42That didn't go well.
36:44I'm OK.
36:48I don't want to speak for everyone here.
36:50Oh, I know, because I've talked to everyone.
36:52Everyone is frustrated.
36:53Well, then don't talk to me as well.
36:55I mean, you went to a whole other level
36:56of all these other girls.
36:59Taylor's here with her 12-foot wings,
37:02and she just has that crazy look in her eye.
37:04And I'm like, she is here to fight.
37:06I am so fed up.
37:07We have a long line of all this shit
37:11that she's building, building, building.
37:13And at this point, I'm just like, fuck you, Taylor.
37:16Can we go in the back room?
37:18I know who you are behind closed doors.
37:20You are done.
37:22Like, not on my watch, bitch.
37:24You're done.
37:33Do you guys want to go back here to talk
37:34with a little more quiet?
37:35Yeah, if you're ready.
37:38Jessie, come sit with me right here.
37:40I feel like this feels weird.
37:42Why?
37:43It feels like it's all of us, like,
37:44and then Taylor's by herself.
37:45Well, apparently I am by myself, according to Demi, so go at it.
37:49Well, I actually want to hear what you have to say.
37:52I wanted to apologize, and I'm no longer apologizing to you,
37:56specifically, because of the bullying
37:58I've seen online for about a week now,
38:00and the extent that you took it to,
38:03and whatever reason you have.
38:04I did apologize to everyone else in the text,
38:06whether you thought it was sincere or not.
38:08And remember what else I said?
38:09I sat with what Mikaela said, because originally I was like,
38:12I'm actually not sorry about this.
38:13And then she was like, well, maybe you
38:15should think about how it affected all of us,
38:17and how the people came at us.
38:19And I was like, OK, you're right.
38:20Why would you not be sorry?
38:22I'm just confused by that.
38:23Because I feel like I was just sharing my feelings,
38:25and I didn't think of it big picture,
38:27that you guys were going to get bullied.
38:28You know the platform you have?
38:30In what world would you put that out there
38:32and not expect a response when you have a problem?
38:34Well, you guys think I'm dumber than a block,
38:35so maybe just, you know, I don't know.
38:38Ding, ding, ding, ding.
38:41I'm definitely scared that the girls
38:42are going to find out that I showed Taylor
38:44the group chat messages.
38:45Maybe I shouldn't have done it, but fuck.
38:48Thanks a lot, Taylor.
38:49Oh, you've never said that?
38:50I didn't say you're dumber than a what?
38:51A block?
38:52I think one of you said it.
38:53A brick?
38:54I guess for me, where my frustration came from
38:57is, as a friend, why did you think
38:59that was your first and only move to make
39:01instead of just coming to us?
39:02I feel like the silence was loud on that post,
39:04and I felt that it was pettiness.
39:05So why didn't you come to the group and say, hey, guys,
39:07I noticed this, and I'm feeling weird.
39:09What's going on?
39:10Because I knew half is pettiness,
39:12and half genuinely probably did not see it, like you.
39:14But that's an assumption, because that's not true.
39:16Well, I knew people had liked it,
39:17and they didn't say anything.
39:18Like, they just, no one supported it.
39:19If you go to anyone's-
39:20Shouldn't we go around and say why we didn't comment,
39:21and like, get to the bottom of this?
39:22I don't care.
39:23You do, you do care, because you posted about it.
39:25You don't care to come to us, but you care to put it online?
39:27That's communicating very loudly that you don't give a shit
39:29about the relationship.
39:30We were exhausted.
39:31We were heading into Thanksgiving weekend.
39:33We all were with our families, or on dates,
39:35or with our kids.
39:37And now you're sitting here saying,
39:38oh, I know for a fact on Bible
39:40that half was petty, and half genuinely didn't see it.
39:43That's not fair to say when that's not true.
39:45It's not the truth, Taylor.
39:46Well, no one would ever come out and say that.
39:49When I see not a single person on a big night,
39:52I felt that it was weird.
39:53I understand you drawing the conclusion that,
39:55oh, this feels planned.
39:56And petty, and so I reacted fast, poorly,
39:59and that's my bad.
40:00And I was petty, and I put it online,
40:02and it affected you guys all more drastically
40:03than I anticipated.
40:04And that is my bad, and that is all I can say.
40:06Sorry.
40:07Your following loves you and worships you.
40:08You have to realize the power you hold.
40:11Taylor tends to take her emotions as facts,
40:13and maybe she liked being validated
40:15and feeling like the victim in this situation.
40:17And taking it online validates her feelings,
40:20so I think that's why she did what she did.
40:22This is like a pattern,
40:23and the betrayal's so deep from you
40:25that I can't believe you would do something like that,
40:27that all I'm seeing is mini yous come after me.
40:29This is not the issue you have with me.
40:31This is from, I don't know, from how long ago.
40:35The buildup to a point of bullying.
40:38I am not a bully, and I'm not a mean person.
40:40So you don't think you were a bully?
40:42No.
40:43I am sitting here wondering why Layla hasn't spoken up yet,
40:47because she told me that she was gonna
40:48have my back in this situation.
40:50Well, I'll see if you keep that same energy tonight
40:52when I'm being attacked.
40:53What do you mean?
40:54Being attacked.
40:55Oh, no, I'm gonna stand up for you.
40:57I don't know if she's terrified of Demi, but.
41:00I think I was defending myself against your behavior,
41:02and it's very weird of you to sit in your chair right now
41:05and spin this on its head as though you're the victim.
41:07That is like the most victim complex thing
41:09I've ever seen in my life.
41:10I just think you're a fake.
41:11I'm not fake.
41:12Okay, does anyone here think I'm fake?
41:14No, no.
41:16I know that you're fake, so.
41:17What do you think is fake?
41:18What do you think is fake about me?
41:20You can't say that and not back it up.
41:21Say it.
41:24What's fake?
41:26I just feel uncomfortable saying it to you.
41:27Just say it.
41:28Why are you looking to her for validation to say it?
41:30Because it's going to her,
41:31like what you've done behind her back yet again.
41:33What?
41:34What I've done behind her back?
41:37Yes.
41:37Okay, I'm with it then.
41:38And what you've said.
41:39Do you want me to say it?
41:40Oh, absolutely, say it.
41:41What?
41:42Okay, she doesn't think you're good at hair,
41:43and she told me not to go to you for hair,
41:44and that's why I went to a different salon,
41:46because she doesn't think you're good at all,
41:47and she said that she's like stuck in a thing with you.
41:50Huh?
41:50You don't think she's good at hair,
41:51but like you feel like obligated to go to her.
41:53She said do not go to her if she's not good at hair.
41:56No, I didn't at all.
41:58Oh, my hell.
41:59I said to go to Jay-Z.
42:01I don't know how they do with Hillary.
42:02They're great at extensions.
42:03That's your best friend.
42:05I literally had had my hair done one time by them.
42:08I didn't know how they work.
42:10But were you happy with that one time?
42:12I don't remember.
42:14Do you see how she can't answer?
42:16Okay.
42:17Should we just have the resolution of the petty IG post
42:19and move on from it?
42:21No, because she's fake, and I think she's a bitch.
42:24I really do really think that.
42:25I don't think it's fair to like try to turn
42:27like other people against each other right now though.
42:29I'm trying to tell her
42:30like how her friend's saying behind her back.
42:32To hear Miranda and Whitney take Demi's side,
42:35I'm in complete shock.
42:37I'm the only one who stuck up for them.
42:39And like you did me dirty again.
42:43Do you not think that's-
42:44Oh, Taylor, talk to me.
42:45Talk to me, because this is about me.
42:46Look me in the eyes, you narcissist.
42:48Look at me.
42:48I know how Taylor can be sometimes,
42:50especially online and throwing up something petty
42:52just for clicks.
42:54But I also see why it was very upsetting
42:57to some of the other girls,
42:58because I don't think that private things
43:00should be shared to everyone on the internet, so.
43:03Okay, do we want to get into how you are
43:06behind closed doors?
43:06Should we open that door?
43:07Go for it.
43:08Okay, so should we talk about the way
43:10that you treat your boyfriend?
43:12Go get help.
43:13Stop hurting people.
43:14Take accountability for what you're doing.
43:16It's not okay.
43:17Yes, from my history.
43:18It's every goddamn time you're with us,
43:20you're going through a hard time.
43:21For hell's sakes.
43:23This is a you problem.
43:24Let's go ask Dakota.
43:26Go up, breathe.
43:27No, no.
43:29I'm going to protect your ever in this situation.
43:35Like thinking back to Taylor's arrest,
43:37Taylor and Dakota,
43:38they're so toxic in their relationship.
43:40They brought out this nasty side in each other.
43:42And given the nature of their relationship
43:45and what has happened up until this point,
43:47I would never put my child in that environment.
43:51And you have the audacity to sit here
43:53and try to ruin my reputation.
43:55We are done.
43:56Let's take it there, Taylor.
43:58Demi goes to one of the worst times of my life.
44:02We've seen the body cam footage.
44:03It's no secret that Dakota and I
44:05have struggled with unhealthy patterns.
44:07I was called like a child abuser,
44:09the worst mom in the world.
44:10It's not easy to hear as a mom.
44:12You don't want to be labeled as that.
44:13And it's not true.
44:14Cause I didn't hurt my daughter
44:16and I don't want to like justify or make excuses for it.
44:19But I've taken the steps
44:20and the time to work through those things.
44:22And so for Demi to still bring that up
44:25and talk about my child,
44:26this isn't about being petty or bitchy.
44:29This could be life ruining.
44:32I don't think it's fair to the initial argument though.
44:35What we're here for.
44:36I feel like things are getting really out of hand
44:38and really messy.
44:39I feel like this is becoming a really ugly battle
44:41between Demi and Taylor.
44:42I love talking about hair, but.
44:45Yeah, I think that it's gotten a little off topic.
44:46I think that we just need to come back to what it was.
44:50I mean, where are you guys standing?
44:51You can speak.
44:51Well, I just have one question.
44:53Yes.
44:53All I want to know is, are you sorry?
44:55To all of you and how I made you feel
44:57and the people coming at you, yes.
44:58I'm sorry for that part and that is it.
45:00Okay.
45:02I'm going to go enjoy that party.
45:03That's all I wanted to know.
45:04Demi and I are getting closer
45:06so I can see how aggravating this is for her.
45:09Taylor, you are on your own.
45:11Goodbye.
45:12Need my wings.
45:14Watch your head.
45:16Can I talk to you?
45:18Me?
45:19Yeah.
45:20Mom talk is supposed to be sisterhood
45:22and support and genuine friendships.
45:25However, I think Demi has let the money side
45:29and greed go to her head.
45:31Yes, mom talk is a business, but it's much more than that.
45:34I'm not scared of her, but she's a scary girl,
45:37if that makes sense.
45:37And we all need to be aware.
45:42And I just wanted to say, I'm like, sorry.
45:44And I just, I want you to be careful with her as well.
45:46Yeah.
45:47This is the second time she's done you dirty
45:48behind your back.
45:49Yeah, I'm aware.
45:49Was that necessary to even tell you?
45:51Cause like that, that was weighing on me.
45:53Going to that, I'm glad I know.
45:54I am.
45:55I'm hurt obviously.
45:55And I'm like embarrassed because it sucks
45:57that like that is my business I put out there
45:59and I don't want anyone thinking I'm bad,
46:00especially without context.
46:02Your best friend sending people elsewhere.
46:03Yes.
46:04And that, that is super hurtful.
46:05So yes, I'm glad I know.
46:06I do feel like I wouldn't have ever known probably.
46:10And it does make me wonder other things that were said.
46:13I don't know what to do right now.
46:14I feel like I'm kind of in shock.
46:15Like I just don't know how to like approach it,
46:16but I appreciate you telling me.
46:18I am feeling betrayed and kind of deflated.
46:21Like I feel like a deflated balloon.
46:23This group as a whole is really damaged.
46:25It's gotten to a really hostile point
46:26and I don't know what's going to happen.
46:29I don't know.
46:30I just, it just feels like the whole group right now.
46:31Like I don't know where we're going to go from here.
46:33I, it feels.
46:33It's a mess.
46:34It is a mess.
46:41So excited.
46:41New Orleans has always been on my bucket list.
46:43Is that a pregnancy test?
46:44We're going to play pregnancy roulette.
46:46I was not planning on telling the girls I'm pregnant.
46:51I'm going to cry.
46:52Who is it?
46:53What I said was not shitting on your business.
46:56It was strictly what.
46:57Demi is the rot and the opposite of what mom talk is about.
47:01Like shut up.
47:03Did everyone get the video of Jen?
47:04What?
47:05There are so many fractures within our group right now.
47:08Does anyone care about me?
47:10Taylor, I really don't see the need
47:12for her to even stick around.
47:13I'd go to war.
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