The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 1 Episode 4
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00:00♪ I would make a dance better for me ♪
00:03Girls trip.
00:04♪ I'm tasting food I'll never give to you ♪
00:06So cute.
00:06♪ Yeah, I did it, yeah, I really pulled it, babe ♪
00:10♪ I've never seen anything like you ♪
00:14So I'm really excited
00:15because I've been planning a girls trip for my birthday.
00:18So we're gonna stay in this really nice little penthouse
00:20and have a girls weekend away.
00:22Oh, I'm so excited.
00:25But since the baby blessing,
00:27there's a clear division, sinners versus saints,
00:30because Jen uninvited Jessie, Taylor, Layla, and Demi.
00:35I feel like we have this weird divide right now,
00:37like the sinners and the angels are at the baby blessing.
00:41So I'm really hoping that by the end of the trip,
00:44we will be one united group again.
00:46How's it gonna be seeing Taylor?
00:48It's gonna be a boxing match.
00:50Ding, ding, ding, ding, who's gonna win?
00:52Well, she's pregnant, so you can't do that.
00:53Oh yeah, I forgot she's pregnant.
00:56I forgot, I had to steal me.
00:59We're getting there first,
01:00so I think we get first in front of her.
01:02Taylor, I feel like you're kind of quiet right now.
01:04I'm anxious, like very anxious.
01:06I'm gonna pop my anxiety meds when we get there.
01:09You already did.
01:10If there's any like confrontation,
01:13like you're stuck with that person for the weekend,
01:15like you can't just leave.
01:18It feels really good to be back with the girls.
01:20I have missed them.
01:21I've missed the friendship of mom talk
01:24and I am really grateful
01:25that they've like given me like the second chance.
01:27But I am anxious about the girls' trip.
01:30I have some hard conversations I need to have with Whitney.
01:33I wanna know why she didn't come to my baby shower
01:35and why there's this elephant in the room.
01:38I wanna see where she's coming from,
01:39kind of understand why she feels these feelings towards me.
01:42Just know this, Taylor,
01:43if things get wild, I've got your back.
01:44Yeah. Oh, really?
01:46Yeah. That's sweet of you.
01:47I'm stoked with Whitney.
01:49First, the Fruity Cereal incident,
01:51then becoming the victim.
01:52Denise, I have a gift for you.
01:56So dumb.
01:57Tensions are high.
01:59I have a surprise coming later,
02:01so this weekend should be pretty interesting.
02:23Try me and you'll see
02:25I'll bring you to your knees
02:27Baby, you're gonna believe
02:49We're here!
02:51We made it!
02:52Cute!
02:54Very cute. Girls' trip, girls' trip.
02:56Follow me, ladies, to the penthouse suite.
03:00Welcome home, ladies.
03:01Woo!
03:03This is amazing!
03:05Right? My arm!
03:07I was, like, not expecting that.
03:09Lacey!
03:10Wait, this is so cute!
03:12Oh, cute!
03:13Oh, that's my face!
03:16I gotta pop one of these.
03:17Just moms and snacks.
03:19You and Brad were right?
03:21We're actually currently in a little bit of a disagreement
03:24just over the whole Fruity Pebbles thing.
03:26Oh, no!
03:28And he wasn't, like, a prude about it.
03:29He was like, I get it. I want you to be excited.
03:31I want you to be able to talk about these things,
03:33but I don't want to feel like I have to second-guess
03:35what I'm about to do in the bedroom.
03:37So I was like, I get that.
03:38I feel bad because I feel like I, like, betrayed him in a way.
03:41It's... I take full accountability
03:44that I'm the one that opened the can of worms,
03:47but it does bother me the way that Whitney went about that.
03:50It just felt a little tacky to me.
03:52Yeah, yeah. I could tell you were so upset.
03:54Is Whitney level-headed enough
03:56to have that conversation with it?
03:57Like, how is that conversation going to go?
03:59I don't know. I don't know.
04:01She's got it coming.
04:02Well, maybe she should stop doing things then.
04:04Yeah. Whitney's been one of my really good friends
04:07for two years now.
04:08She likes to think that she's self-aware,
04:11but she doesn't take accountability a lot of the time.
04:15Even I would have been like, hey, sorry I didn't send you
04:16a message about not coming to your shower.
04:18Like, I don't know. It just seems like anything.
04:20Yeah, the fact that she can go about life
04:22and go about those situations just, like, unbothered,
04:25that makes me nervous.
04:27I'm honestly surprised to hear
04:29that other people have issues with Whitney.
04:31I thought I was maybe the only one
04:33on the outside of it with her, but we work together.
04:37We do lots of events together.
04:38I would like to be a good friend to her,
04:40and I'm really hoping that we can hash this out.
04:48Oh, this is so good. Birthday girlie.
04:51Birthday girlie. Birthday, birthday, birthday, birthday.
04:55Wait. I can't believe this has this many rings.
04:59Shut the fuck up.
05:01Welcome to paradise.
05:03Oh, it's so cute.
05:04Wait, wait, wait. Oh, my gosh.
05:05Shut up.
05:06This...
05:07Oh, my God.
05:10Yeah.
05:11Oh, my God.
05:12Oh, my God.
05:13Oh, my God.
05:14Oh, my God.
05:15Oh, my God.
05:16Oh, my God.
05:17Oh, my God.
05:18Oh, my God.
05:19It's so cute.
05:22I got everyone matching sweat.
05:23Yeah, mom talk, shot.
05:26It's so cute.
05:27Get me back to the pro.
05:28Whitney has come bearing gifts, matching sweat sets.
05:32It was so thoughtful of her,
05:34and I'm not gonna lie,
05:35it's kind of refreshing to see this side of Whitney.
05:37Why don't we go in the Jacuzzi?
05:39Oh, my God.
05:41Oh, my God.
05:42Oh, my God.
05:43Oh, my God.
05:44You actually sweat.
05:45Is it nice?
05:46This is so relaxing.
05:47Jen looks like she can't see.
05:48I'm like, all on your lashes.
05:49Should we get out?
05:50Yeah.
05:51Okay.
05:52I'm cold.
05:53Let's go.
05:54I'm over it.
05:55Hey, no way.
05:56You know I won't forget you.
05:57Hey.
05:58Is it ever a class where I have to shower?
05:59Like, you guys need to cool.
06:00Oh, my God.
06:01I think my favorite thing about our group of women is that we all just like
06:10to have a good time and we just have so much fun together.
06:14So is Zach with your kids? Mm-hmm. Okay. Yep. How's he feeling about being alone
06:19with them? Jordan's freaking out. He's like, are any of the nannies available?
06:25I'm like, you'll be fine. Stop it. Yes. So he's not really the stay-at-home dad
06:29right now. No. I mean, he is, but I could never see him just being at home 24-7.
06:34Because, I mean, would Zach ever do that? No. We definitely still have like our
06:39tough days where like we just aren't on the same page. In his head, I think he
06:43thinks, you know, after 15 years he'll be the provider. So he's like, my job's more
06:48important because like I'm gonna be providing for us for life. But he can't
06:51get there without you doing it now. Exactly. So that's where we like, that is so hard.
06:56I'm currently the breadwinner in my relationship. I'm providing for my kids,
07:02my husband to go to medical school, and I definitely think this is super hard for
07:06him. Coming from a traditional family. And they have good intentions, but it comes
07:11from a place sometimes of them telling you what you can and can't do. 100%. And
07:14we're both strong women, and so I feel like we're like, no. Like, but then it
07:18causes an issue. For sure. The male typically being the sole provider within
07:24our religion makes our situation a little bit tricky. And so there's
07:30definitely a lot of tension in our relationship. I used to be the person
07:34that would just say yes to everything, and now I don't. You're finding your
07:36voice. Yes. And you know what? Like, I'm like, I'm proud of that. I'm like, shoot,
07:41you better be making a lot of money by then. Like, this better be worth it. I
07:45thought it was bullshit when Jen made this decision to uninvite us from the
07:48baby blessing. And I do think it was Zach behind that decision because I know Jen,
07:52she's very welcoming. And I think that Zach really put his foot down in this
07:55situation. But right now, she's opening up, and I'm feeling really optimistic
07:59about our friendship moving forward. By the time he's done with medical school,
08:03I'll probably be making more money than he'll ever make. No, literally. It's not
08:07funny. Like, you're like, my side gig actually provides for us. No, like
08:11literally. What do you know? Like, literally.
08:23I don't know what I'm gonna wear. What are you guys wearing? I brought those to
08:27go with this dress. Oh, shiz. What? Not my garments. Oh, everyone, I have some
08:35information. What? The garment queen forgot her garment. I'm dead. Yeah, you know, the
08:43reason why I wear garments is when you go through the temple or when you get
08:48married, and you've committed to this person, and you've committed to God,
08:51wearing them is supposed to be like a constant reminder for you daily. Wait, you
08:57didn't pack any? Well, I tried them. I tried them last minute. Yeah, because she knew that
09:04they were gonna get struck down. A male chef's coming tonight, so she will be
09:08wearing a load. Single? It might be time to pump. Wait, did you bring underwear? No, I
09:17literally didn't bring anything. Like, you don't have a thing. I don't have anything.
09:20Can you door-dash garments?
09:29Dinner!
09:33Did you do this all yourself, Missy? I made this, everyone. Who's saying the prayer?
09:37You guys wanna say a prayer? Yes, absolutely. We have a meal. Jen, you wanna say the prayer? Sure.
09:42Dear Heavenly Father, we're so grateful for this day. We're so grateful for this time that we
09:46could spend together, and He's blessed this food will give us strength and
09:50strength in our bodies, and that we may have an amazing weekend, and I say these
09:56things in the name of Jesus Christ, amen. Amen. Praise the Lord, hallelujah.
10:03Whitney, are you drinking rosé? It is. Wanna taste? All right, are we doing a little cheers for Macy?
10:13I'm happy, because things look like they're going good so far, so I think
10:17we're all just hoping it stays that way. Okay, raise a toast for Macy. Macy!
10:31Should we go around and do an I love you because? Oh, I love that. Yeah, let's do that.
10:35I love Macy because I know I could tell her absolutely anything, and she wouldn't judge me for it.
10:42She just gets my sense of humor. I feel like we're very, actually, we're not similar.
10:47We're actually quite opposite, but that's what makes it the best, you know?
10:52You are just genuinely yourself, and I think you're amazing. You're blunt.
10:56You just say how it is to people's face, and some people will call that bitchy.
11:03But I actually really like that. I love all of you. Thank you for being here.
11:07We all come together and feast. My favorite thing to do, which is to eat.
11:12Guys, I have something for you. I have a little activity. Oh, no.
11:16Yeah, okay, everyone. I brought a truth box.
11:22This is full 100% honesty tonight, okay?
11:26I'm hoping we are able to share if there is existing tension, that we're able to be honest and work through those things.
11:33No, I'm going to die. This sucks.
11:35Because this group of girls, even if this is meant to be lighthearted and good intentions, it's not going to be.
11:42This is so stupid. It's an anonymous truth box, really.
11:45If you really want to tell someone the truth, just go say it to their face.
11:49Demi's truth box, this is the worst idea I've ever heard in my entire life.
11:54So, in here I have cards that you're going to write a question on.
11:58And we don't know who said what, right?
12:01No, they're all anonymous. Leave them anonymous.
12:04So, I'm going to pass out the cards, write it down on the card, fold it in half, and then just put it back in the box.
12:10Okay, here we go.
12:12I'm really not wanting to do this.
12:18I personally am excited for it.
12:20I don't have much to release. Everyone just kind of knows my dirty laundry already.
12:25But I'm curious to hear other people's.
12:27Okay, is everyone done? Should we go change?
12:29Yeah, let's go change.
12:31Sweat suit.
12:32The whole intention of this truth box is to say the things that you want to say.
12:36And honestly, I want to clear the air with Whitney, hash out what we need to hash out, and move past this.
12:43So, who's getting the short straw? Who's going first?
12:46Saw my name.
12:47Layla, if you could sleep with one of your friend's husbands, who would it be and why?
13:00Watch out.
13:01I'm not going to go take Brett from him. He wouldn't even give me a chance. Are you kidding me? Look at his face.
13:08I would never. But theoretically, if you guys weren't together, I would find him like a treat.
13:13She said, I'd be mom's stepmom.
13:15Oh my god.
13:16Alright, next.
13:17Jen, which girl in this room would you go lesbian for? Prove it! Exclamation mark, exclamation mark, exclamation mark.
13:25Oh gosh.
13:27It's Kay.
13:29I've never done that.
13:30Kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss.
13:34I do.
13:41Whitney.
13:42Oh god. Every time someone's reading a card, my heart.
13:45Why don't you like Taylor? Are you just jealous of her clout?
13:50Oh god.
13:53Oh my god.
13:56Literally, in my mind, I'm like, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit.
14:05I don't think I'm jealous of Taylor's clout. I think I was jealous of the forgiveness that Taylor got.
14:12During that time of her whole swinger drama.
14:15That I feel like I didn't get.
14:16Wait, forgiveness for what?
14:18Just like the RSV video.
14:26Two weeks after I had given birth, Connor took Liam to our pediatrician.
14:31The doctor is testing his oxygen levels.
14:34And the doctor's like, these are scarcely low.
14:37Like, you need to take him to the emergency room right now.
14:40So Connor rushes Liam to the emergency room.
14:43The first couple days were a bit scary.
14:46But then he was getting better.
14:49And so I'm thinking, like, let's, you know, do something fun.
14:54And I made a video.
15:00In that video, people felt that I was using my child's sickness for clout and for attention.
15:06Everyone was so quick to forgive Taylor online.
15:09Her swinging.
15:11And then I just feel like I still get shredded to pieces almost every single video.
15:15But no, I'm not jealous of Taylor's clout.
15:18And I feel like if I don't like her, I feel like that's a completely different conversation for a different time.
15:24Yeah.
15:25I am very confused because I'm like, girl, you have no idea the amount of bullying, threats, and comments that I have received on a daily basis up until today on how awful of a person I am.
15:39So I think I got way more trash than she has by far.
15:44It's so crazy to me that Whitney's not honest with Taylor about her feelings of jealousy because she is very open about it when Taylor's not around.
15:50And when asked straight to her face, Whitney lies about it.
15:53Come on, girl.
15:54The truth has got to come out sometime.
15:56Taylor, if you found out today that Dakota lied and actually slept with Jenna that night, would you leave him even though you were having his baby?
16:03100,000% would be dead to me.
16:08Wait, we need a little backstory.
16:10So we weren't like officially dating.
16:12He had originally slept with a girl, lied about it, ended up telling me the truth.
16:16He was like, OK, I'm so sorry.
16:18And I was like, it's good.
16:19We're not dating.
16:20And then he went off with another girl, which is Jenna.
16:22I asked him if he slept with her.
16:24And he said he only kissed her.
16:25He's sworn on his life.
16:26Because I said if that ever comes out that you guys did anything else, I will leave you in a snap of your fingers.
16:31So I was like, so if you did, just come clear now.
16:34And he's sworn on his life that he didn't.
16:36So even now, even though that was like-
16:38100%.
16:39It wouldn't even be a question.
16:40I'd leave in a heartbeat.
16:43OK.
16:44Next question.
16:45To me, did you ever say that Jen is too Mormon?
16:51I've never said she's too Mormon.
16:54I have said that you bring it up in conversation a lot.
16:57Can't do that because da-da-da.
16:59Or like, can't wear that because my garments are da-da-da.
17:01It's just brought up a lot.
17:03And to me-
17:04So that would stop you from hanging out with me?
17:06No.
17:07Being friends with me?
17:08No.
17:09No, no, no.
17:10You're not willing because you were the one that told her this, obviously.
17:12Yeah.
17:13Demi actually told me something about you.
17:15Recently?
17:16Yeah.
17:17No.
17:18Yeah.
17:19Something about being very Mormon.
17:21And you guys both agreed, so-
17:23Agreed?
17:24No, we did not.
17:25Yes, you did.
17:26Absolutely not.
17:27That's not a word.
17:28Well, we didn't, but I'll say that we did.
17:30Yes, you did.
17:31No, we did not.
17:32Ultimately, did I say that Jen is too Mormon?
17:36I did.
17:37And I stand by that.
17:39The question isn't what struck a nerve with me, necessarily.
17:43It was who I knew that information came from.
17:45We were shocked.
17:46We were like, really?
17:47We thought you were friends with Jen.
17:48I was friends with Jen, but then when I brought it up, you said,
17:51I totally understand where you're coming from.
17:53She can be that way.
17:54Did I say that, Macy?
17:55Did I say that?
17:56She wasn't-
17:57I don't remember.
17:58Talk to Jen.
17:59You guys work it out.
18:00No, don't be that bitch.
18:01Don't say, I'm gonna tell the story, then don't talk to me.
18:03No, we're right here.
18:04Okay.
18:05When I said, it's a little bit annoying how it's like,
18:07look at me, I'm so Mormon, and you said,
18:09I totally get where you're coming from.
18:11She can be that way.
18:13This is so stupid.
18:14Please.
18:15Somebody come in this door and shoot me,
18:17because I do not want to be here anymore.
18:20But what's so confusing to me is that you would rate yourself
18:23a 9 out of 10 on the Mormon scale?
18:25Yeah, I'm too Mormon for you.
18:26It's not about being too Mormon.
18:27That just doesn't-
18:28I don't go around saying, I'm hosting a BYU Mormon graduation.
18:32I'm wearing my garments for the 7,000th time.
18:34I'm solid in who I am, and I don't need to go around saying,
18:37I am Mormon.
18:38But I feel like often you will wear that as like a badge of honor,
18:41and to me, it's kind of gaggy.
18:43Okay, what's frustrating is that you didn't confront me first,
18:46and I feel like now you're like notorious for doing this
18:49for a lot of people, like calling Taylor white trash.
18:56When Whitney told me that Demi said I was too Mormon for her,
19:02she also told me that Demi called Taylor white trash.
19:06Demi called Taylor white trash.
19:10That's kind of hard.
19:11That's really hard.
19:12You don't just say-
19:13I wouldn't even say that.
19:14I don't like Taylor.
19:15It seems like you keep doing this, and it's just-
19:17What are you talking about?
19:18Wait, so when did you call me white trash?
19:20Let me explain where that was coming from.
19:22I had just gotten done explaining to the girls
19:24the night of the party that we came over.
19:27We were like super drunk, so I don't even know if you remember this.
19:29But you were coming over, kissing Brett on the head,
19:31kissing me on the head, and being like,
19:32I love you guys, and being touchy.
19:34Granted, I knew nothing that was going on.
19:36You started being super flirty with Brett,
19:39and laughing with him, and leaning over the couch,
19:41and I was sitting there, and I was like-
19:43No.
19:441,000% Brett was there, I can confirm.
19:46You were leaning over the couch, and you were laughing into him,
19:50and you were talking directly to him
19:52while I was sitting right there on the couch.
19:55I was watching you go from husband to husband,
19:58flirty, whatever.
19:59Well, I was considered a swinger, so yeah.
20:01I'm in shock.
20:02But I didn't know that at the time.
20:03So from my perspective, I'm thinking,
20:05I got invited to a couple's party, and this is trashy.
20:08It's a complete shit show.
20:10In the shitter.
20:11The sewer does shit everywhere.
20:13Shit, shit, shit.
20:15But honestly, I love it.
20:18But it still doesn't make it acceptable to call you that.
20:20I'm not saying that. Shush.
20:22What I'm saying is that I just-
20:24It's not shusher.
20:25No, no.
20:26I don't want to hear your judgment,
20:27because you haven't even listened to what I'm saying.
20:29And you were in this situation.
20:31In that moment when I had just told everyone what had happened,
20:34I feel like all those feelings came up,
20:36and I just get kind of loose-lipped,
20:37and I'm just like, honestly, yeah,
20:39a lot of what she does is trashy,
20:40and like, yeah, I'm not surprised.
20:41That is trashy.
20:42So what else is trashy that I do then,
20:43since a lot of it is?
20:44Well, I mean, the whole swinging thing was trashy.
20:46Sure, we got that down.
20:47What else?
20:48No, I know. That's what I'm saying.
20:49You're saying a lot of what I do.
20:51No, a lot of what we have seen,
20:53like your TikToks and like the-
20:55What TikToks?
20:56Just TikToks that were just super flippant
20:58about the swinging situation,
21:00and just like that whole era of your life.
21:03The white trash from Demi hurts me.
21:05Sure, I've done trashy things,
21:06but right now, she knows it's something
21:08I'm trying to work through,
21:09I've been working through,
21:11and so for her to take that jab at me,
21:13oh, hell no.
21:14If you're going to take a jab at me,
21:15then I'm going to call out you for your stuff as well.
21:17Do you think it's trashy to take off your dress
21:19in front of my boyfriend?
21:21What?
21:22To put your mic on?
21:23What are you talking about?
21:24You made him extremely uncomfortable
21:25because you dropped your dress to get mic'd.
21:27No one else is here, right?
21:29Yes, come up.
21:31Oh, I'm sorry.
21:32I literally already had my bra out
21:34when he walked in to get mic'd.
21:36No, you dropped it.
21:37I watched you do it.
21:38What?
21:39Oh my gosh, what is happening right now?
21:40This is exactly what I was afraid of.
21:42I would rather give birth without an epidural
21:44than sit through this any longer.
21:46You had your dress full on,
21:47and you didn't need to drop it to get mic'd,
21:49and you took it off and you were just in your bra.
21:51And Dakota felt so uncomfortable.
21:54The intention matters definitely in that moment.
21:57We were in a rush situation to get the mics on.
22:00I don't think it's trashy because I think...
22:01Really?
22:02You don't think it's trashy
22:03pulling off your dress in front of my boyfriend?
22:05No, especially because I didn't...
22:06Really?
22:07So if I did that to Brett, that's not trashy?
22:08No.
22:09Tits in his face?
22:10Really?
22:11Oh, you think I went like this?
22:12Dakota!
22:13Ooh!
22:14I literally was turned like this and unbuttoned.
22:16If you're worried about that,
22:17that's a you and Dakota problem.
22:18I'm not worried.
22:19No, Dakota felt uncomfortable.
22:20He's like, her bra, her tits are right there.
22:23It's uncomfortable.
22:24That's a him problem.
22:25So if I go up to Brett and take off my dress in front of him,
22:28and he's looking,
22:29because he accidentally looked,
22:30because it's like right there,
22:31that's a him problem or a Maya problem?
22:33The situation matters.
22:35I'm not the freaking swinger here.
22:36I'm not the one that's going around
22:37trying to seduce other people's husbands.
22:40I'm not proud of any of these things.
22:42I want to put my past behind me,
22:44but I don't know if these women
22:45are ever going to be able to let go of my past.
22:54Don't you feel like this is a conversation
22:56you guys should have alone, maybe?
22:58No, we're in the middle of this.
23:00Like, I don't feel like you need to,
23:01you guys need to hash this out, obviously.
23:03People are out for blood.
23:05They are out for me, specifically.
23:07None of you are standing here clean,
23:09and I'm getting pretty frustrated
23:11because Whitney was the one telling all this information.
23:14Whitney, who is your least favorite in the group, and why?
23:18Oh, God.
23:19Honestly, I feel like right now it's Demi.
23:23I just feel like anything that, any truth I say,
23:26you say, no, you agreed with me, you said this,
23:28and I'm like, but I didn't say that.
23:31I don't know.
23:32I just, it's Demi right now for me.
23:35The box is done. God bless.
23:37We made it through without ripping each other's heads off.
23:40I love that that was my idea,
23:41and I feel like I just got obliterated.
23:44That was a great idea.
23:45The intention was there, wasn't it?
23:48I don't know about the truth box.
23:49I don't know about the truth box.
23:50I think a better name for this game
23:52would have been, like, murder-suicide.
23:58It doesn't make any sense to me.
24:00You're literally gaslighting everyone right now.
24:02You do realize that, right?
24:03I never said that. I never, ever said that.
24:05Yeah.
24:06I'm just kind of mad that you didn't stick up for me.
24:08Me?
24:09Yeah.
24:10With what?
24:11Because you were in the car with me,
24:12and you were like, I didn't hear.
24:13I was like, but you were in the car with me.
24:14I'm trying to remember what's going on.
24:16I don't even know what's going on.
24:17I don't remember if I said that.
24:19But that's why I said, no, we didn't,
24:21when she first said that.
24:22Because I'm like, I know for a fact I didn't.
24:24I know, but when I was like, Macy,
24:26like, you were in the car with me.
24:28I don't think that it's fair that Whitney
24:30is saying I'm not supportive.
24:31All I do is support her.
24:33We are only, like, three hours into this trip,
24:36and I'm already like, I want to pack my bags and go home.
24:38Like, this isn't fun.
24:39Everyone's screaming at each other.
24:41She's like, no, you did say that.
24:42I'm like, can you just shut the fuck up?
24:44She's like, eh.
24:45Well, I'll back you up if you have the conversation again.
24:50I want you to know that I am not some phony person
24:54that, like, thinks ill of you,
24:56that is talking behind your back.
24:58It was a literal isolated moment.
25:00And I feel like I had that resentment built up from you,
25:03regardless of, like, how I was feeling.
25:05Like, I should have addressed that with you
25:07so that it didn't fester, you know?
25:08Yeah.
25:09It was a low moment that came out in a petty way,
25:11and I apologize for that.
25:12It was not OK in any way.
25:14Yeah.
25:15Thank you for saying that.
25:16I just...
25:17I know we were supposed to have a room together,
25:19but I think I just kind of want to sleep alone.
25:21I get it.
25:22You take this room.
25:23You need to be comfortable.
25:24I'll go to the bunk beds.
25:25For real.
25:26You sure?
25:27Yes.
25:29Ugh.
25:32Night-night.
25:33Night-night.
25:34OK, good night.
25:36I regret using the words that I did
25:38in the flippant way that I did,
25:40and I do feel bad for that.
25:41I experienced hurt, and she did, too,
25:43but my intentions are pure, and they are good,
25:46and I'm really, really hopeful
25:48that we'll be able to move forward
25:49and be stronger in our friendship than we ever have.
25:52Everyone say their prayers, please.
26:03Can I switch sides with you really quick
26:04so I can use this girl in there?
26:05Yeah.
26:06Let me move my whole bag then.
26:07Oh, you're fine.
26:08It'll take two seconds.
26:09You guys, I'm here.
26:10I'm ready.
26:11The party's started now.
26:13Woo-hoo!
26:14This is the beginning.
26:15OK.
26:16Oh, like drag swing and drop.
26:17And we all are doing it.
26:18So, like, you do a move, and then you walk.
26:20Yeah.
26:21Oh, that's cute.
26:22Then you do the move.
26:23Last night, it was an absolute shit show.
26:25I really hope that we can bounce back from this,
26:28because, bitches, it's my birthday.
26:30OK, ready?
26:31So, we're done.
26:32I'm like...
26:41Oh!
26:44Yeah!
26:47I love this one.
26:48Does everyone love this one?
26:49OK.
26:50I love all of it.
26:56I love all of it.
26:58We did it!
26:59It looks cute.
27:00I'm going to go upstairs.
27:01Yeah, go get ready.
27:02No, I need you to come with me.
27:04Oh!
27:05See you later.
27:06Have fun.
27:07I will.
27:08Bye, guys.
27:10This morning is already uncomfortable,
27:14because of last night.
27:16There is animosity in the air,
27:18but I think that Whitney and I definitely need to sit down
27:22and have a conversation and get to the bottom of it.
27:25I'm tired of feeling this, like,
27:26uncomfort with group settings.
27:28Where should we go?
27:29This is good.
27:30This is comfy.
27:31Are you stressed?
27:32Yeah, I'm scared.
27:33Why?
27:34I don't know.
27:35Don't punch me.
27:36I'm not going to, like, come at you screaming
27:38unless you scream at me.
27:39I can't come at you.
27:40No, I won't think screaming.
27:41Just, I don't know.
27:43So I know you have some feelings about me.
27:46I, like, that's no secret, obviously.
27:48You know, like, started with the baby showers
27:50when I truly, like, figured it out,
27:52but I feel like you're really good at telling people
27:54how you feel about them straight up,
27:56so I'm just curious, like, why I haven't been told.
27:58I mean, honestly, I didn't tell you
28:00because I didn't feel like I needed to.
28:02Because?
28:03Like, I just felt like I was fine with where we were at.
28:06I didn't feel like I wanted to explain it.
28:08I just felt like that was an intimate thing for you
28:10and that was for close friends and family,
28:12and I don't feel like I'm your close friend.
28:15I'm confused on what I did.
28:17There's something that, like, sparked you to not like me,
28:19and I just was curious what it was.
28:20Right after the swinger drama came out,
28:22I feel like I was, like, trying to cultivate
28:24a relationship with you.
28:25Okay.
28:26I was trying to be there for you
28:27or try and include you because I know
28:29you were ostracized from that group.
28:31Um...
28:34I don't know.
28:35I just felt like it hasn't been reciprocated.
28:37And I was like, well, I don't want to be friends
28:39with someone like that then.
28:40It's exhausting.
28:42There's probably girls down there
28:43that you're not besties with, but does it, like...
28:45I'm not besties with, but I've definitely had
28:48more of a connection with them, more than you.
28:51But I feel like I've tried.
28:52It's like, in the beginning,
28:53I was trying to have this connection with you,
28:55and it was never reciprocated.
28:56I want to be asked, what happened with you and Connor?
28:58Like, are you okay?
28:59Like, I feel like I have.
29:01Her issue with Taylor is her issue with herself, honestly.
29:05Like, I think it's just that she feels like
29:07she's comparing herself to Taylor
29:09and isn't living up to what the hype that Taylor's getting.
29:12And so she's comparing.
29:13And why is she getting the attention?
29:15Why is the public forgiving her quicker than me?
29:18I feel like I'm slowly putting the pieces together
29:21of who the real Whitney is.
29:23And there are a few people in the group,
29:25specifically Macy and Jen,
29:28who haven't quite seen the puzzle pieces coming together.
29:32And I think it's only a matter of time
29:34before the whole facade is showcased.
29:37What'd she say?
29:38Like, I was frustrated that I keep getting shit
29:43on my RSV video,
29:44and, like, people forgive you super quick.
29:46You have a vulnerable, sick child in your video.
29:48I understand that back then, like, TikTok was very different.
29:51It was like, you filmed everything,
29:52and it was like, just throw everything out
29:54and see what stakes.
29:55But looking back, I'm like...
29:57No, even that video, when she posted it,
29:59caught me off guard.
30:00But also, that day,
30:01she said that Liam was, like, doing a lot better,
30:03so she was happy,
30:04so she was trying to make, like, a happy video.
30:06And, like, it just wasn't, like,
30:07what her intention was was not what was received.
30:09She's like, no, my intention was to get likes and clout.
30:14She admitted that to me.
30:16I never heard her say that.
30:17It was after their ketamine session, I know.
30:19It was after her ketamine session.
30:20Whitney and I did ketamine about eight months ago,
30:23which is therapy for physical trauma or emotional trauma.
30:27And coming out of ketamine,
30:29you are feeling things very deeply.
30:32Truths are coming out about yourself
30:34that you maybe wouldn't otherwise admit.
30:36And in that moment, she admitted to me
30:38that video that she posted was for sympathy,
30:41likes, clout, and for recognition,
30:44and to gain her following.
30:45I think I even might have a video of her admitting that.
30:47You're like, I actually needed this for blackmail.
30:51In that moment, I just...
30:53I didn't want to hear anyone else's.
30:55I just wanted everyone there to be there for me for just...
30:58I'm actually glad I got called out on that
31:00because now when I'm listening to people's stuff,
31:02I'm like, I want to relate,
31:03but I also just want to kind of, like,
31:05validate their feelings first.
31:06Yeah.
31:07And then maybe relate, you know?
31:09But...
31:10Why is she being so nice?
31:13Yeah.
31:14We need someone unkind to go break it up.
31:18Whitney tends to dismiss your feelings
31:21or even gaslight you
31:23when you express that certain things happened
31:26and that you felt a certain way.
31:27She seems to flip the script
31:29and somehow become the victim of her own chaos.
31:32And I'm sick of it.
31:34This is exhausting.
31:42You pushed me a little bit too far, Whitney.
31:44I'm gonna set the record straight at all costs.
31:56Like, I would love to be there for things you're excited about
31:58or you want, like, support there,
32:00but I feel like when I told you my whole Connery thing,
32:03I got zero, nothing.
32:05Wait, zero from who?
32:07Everyone.
32:08I don't agree with that.
32:09I remember reaching out to you and being there for you.
32:12Honestly, I don't even know why she's here.
32:14I don't even know why she presented herself in this conversation.
32:17I'm just like, what's your intentions?
32:19Let's talk about intention.
32:20What's your intention for being here in this conversation?
32:23I feel like Taylor doesn't care about me
32:25and I don't want to be around someone like that.
32:27And it's as simple as that.
32:29I don't know how you expect me to work on this
32:31when I had no idea any of this.
32:32And same with Demi, like...
32:33But I don't expect you to work from this.
32:34That's what I'm saying.
32:35No, through all this time...
32:36Just leave it as it is.
32:37Well, now...
32:38Just leave it.
32:39The entire time I could have worked on it.
32:40And I didn't care enough to say anything.
32:41I didn't want to say anything.
32:42But you did to everyone else.
32:44You'll bring other people's stuff up to other people,
32:47like the Jen situation.
32:48Like, you'll take something that I said that I, by the way,
32:51told you not to say anything
32:52and you said, I swear on my life I won't say it.
32:54You were the one that did the truth box.
32:55I never, ever brought that up.
32:57I told Jen and she can do with it whatever she wants to do with that.
33:01Yeah, but why did you feel the need to tell Jen?
33:03Like, I didn't go to Taylor being like, Whitney feels this way.
33:06She knew that. I don't know how.
33:07And if you did, I wouldn't care.
33:09Okay, but you're sitting here saying that you don't care to have the conversation,
33:12that you don't care to remedy these things,
33:14but then you're going to like shit on Taylor behind her back
33:16and then you're going to come at me for something I said about Taylor.
33:18How am I shitting on her?
33:19Everything I've said about her, I just said to her face right now.
33:21Just now?
33:22But for the last two years, she hasn't heard a word of it.
33:24We're the ones hearing all of it.
33:25Does that bother you?
33:26Does that bother you that I didn't tell you?
33:27Yeah, it bothered me that you didn't come to my shower
33:29and just tell me like, hey, I don't want to be friends with you.
33:31Like, I thought we were friends.
33:32So when you didn't show up, I was like, it was a big deal.
33:36Well, I don't regret anything.
33:39If I was wrong, I'd still do it.
33:40Okay, well then you're a shitty friend.
33:45And then I guess don't be my friend.
33:46Okay, I don't want to be your friend.
33:47If that's the way you're going to be, that's not a friend.
33:49Did you not just call Taylor white trash?
33:51Were you planning on dressing that to Taylor?
33:53No, but was that your place to say?
33:55It wasn't.
33:56And you don't care.
33:57You don't give a shit.
33:59I wish I could say I'm surprised by Whitney's behavior right now,
34:01but I'm absolutely not.
34:03She needs to own it, apologize, work on it, and move forward.
34:07Again, one of these things where she wants to become the victim of her own behavior.
34:12You're hurt, and that's okay.
34:13I've been there.
34:14What, you don't want to give a fuck?
34:15But you're hurt from, like, you're hurt in life,
34:17and so you're going to take it out on everyone?
34:19I don't get that.
34:20I get it.
34:21I don't want to talk about it.
34:22She's hurt you.
34:23I've never hurt Whitney, ever.
34:24Well, I have.
34:25But I get, like, where...
34:26And then runs away.
34:27I mean, I like to talk.
34:28So I guess I'm right.
34:29I guess I'm right.
34:31Comical.
34:38Where'd you go?
34:40In there.
34:41You're gonna, like, dish it?
34:43Be able to take it, then.
34:44Me?
34:45You okay?
34:46The gloves are off, baby.
34:48War has just begun,
34:50and you better sleep with one eye open.
34:52I hate the shit of you can dish it, but you can't take it.
34:55That's the shit.
34:56I do not stand behind.
34:57Be a woman, you little twat.
34:59What's going on?
35:00I couldn't hear everything.
35:02What's wrong?
35:04She thinks it's her place to tell everyone other people's shit.
35:07Yeah.
35:08Are you okay?
35:09When has that ever been a thing?
35:11And then, as we're having a heated conversation,
35:13gets up, cries, and leaves.
35:16The way that Whitney talks and changes her persona
35:19in the moment of, like,
35:20I didn't know.
35:22Yeah.
35:23Well, she was being a little, like...
35:25Be yourself.
35:26Yeah, because it's so different to us,
35:28and then to her, it's so different.
35:30No, it's, like,
35:31you want to talk about fake and behind people's back?
35:33Yeah.
35:34Whitney, you scare me.
35:35I feel like such a pussy right now.
35:37Why?
35:38You're fine.
35:39No.
35:40Why?
35:41You're her, and you need space,
35:43and that's, like, totally valid.
35:45How does it feel, Whitney?
35:46I literally want to go ask her.
35:48How does it feel?
35:49When I try to talk to you about it upstairs,
35:51you're just like,
35:52and I do it again, and I do it again.
35:54You're a bitch.
35:55No, I'm stronger than this.
35:57You are strong.
35:58Just because you're crying doesn't mean you're not strong.
36:01It's better to walk away
36:02than to say things that you don't actually mean.
36:04So you did the strong thing by walking away.
36:08Let's make this a group affair.
36:10Guys.
36:11No.
36:12Jesus.
36:13Continue telling the people everything about anyone else.
36:16Demi, can you just get out of the room, please?
36:18No, I won't.
36:19Nope, because you're talking about me, so no, I won't.
36:21Demi, she needs some space right now.
36:23No, I don't care.
36:24Why was she last night when she shit on me
36:26when I was literally getting attacked by everyone?
36:28Where was she?
36:29You need to just respect that.
36:30What the fuck are you talking about, Jen?
36:32Shut up.
36:33Guys, we're both going at each other.
36:34Yeah.
36:35So why are you being so rude now?
36:36You're being a bitch.
36:37No, I'm not.
36:38You are.
36:39No, I'm not.
36:40Because I have two people right here
36:41sitting beside Whitney when last night
36:44was probably the most heightened experience
36:47we've experienced in this whole journey,
36:49and no one said shit
36:51except for Taylor, who we had the blow up.
36:54Then we have a freaking minion fest over here.
36:56Minion fest?
36:57Chihuahua fest of two little puppies
37:00sitting next to Whitney being like,
37:02back off, she's unstable.
37:04You raising your voice isn't helping the situation.
37:07I mean, I'm not sitting here screaming.
37:08I'm sitting here saying-
37:09The way you're talking right now.
37:10I have a right to be upset.
37:11I'm frustrated.
37:12I'm confused at where Whitney stands,
37:14and I thought we were friends,
37:15and that's not what a friend would do.
37:17I feel like you don't even care about
37:18mom talk outside of posting.
37:19Just because I told Jen what you said.
37:21You go around the whole group
37:23telling everyone's everything.
37:24I didn't say the white trash thing.
37:26Does anyone else want to chime in?
37:27How Whitney will hear information,
37:29and she gets close to certain people,
37:31and we've kind of felt like it's a rotating door.
37:35And it kind of feels like there's different people
37:37that get to be close to Whitney.
37:38When she says stuff about Taylor,
37:39it's really mean behind Taylor's back,
37:41and then when it's face to face,
37:42she's like, oh yeah, I get it.
37:44And I just don't think it's fair
37:45that you can act that way,
37:46and it's okay when it's not okay for me to do.
37:49Like, that just doesn't make sense to me.
37:51I feel like Whitney gets close to you
37:52until she gets what she wants,
37:53and then she just moves on.
37:54That's just my opinion.
37:55And that's why I just wanted to sit you down,
37:57so you can express all of it,
37:58so I know with you,
37:59like I know you're saying you're not caring,
38:01but I find that hard to believe I think you want to.
38:03I think I just hurt you really bad.
38:05Maybe I can't be your best friend right now,
38:07but I could still here and there be a friend to you.
38:09Yeah.
38:10I don't even know what's right and what's wrong anymore.
38:13I thought that I was doing the right thing,
38:15telling Jen,
38:17this is Demi's feelings towards you.
38:19It's a bit two-faced,
38:20because then she's acting like your friend,
38:21surface level,
38:22but then going behind your back.
38:23I don't know.
38:24Oof.
38:25I don't know.
38:26It's confusing.
38:27I don't know what was right,
38:28and I don't know what was wrong.
38:30Anything else from anyone?
38:31This is your time.
38:32Now that I'm here.
38:33Let it out.
38:34This is your time.
38:35I have something to say.
38:36Weren't we supposed to go to dinner at 6?
38:38Oh, shit.
38:39Do we need to go?
38:40Yeah, we have to go.
38:41Okay.
38:42Interesting going to a happy little dinner together.
38:45They're coming at us with
38:48corset tongues made of grid.
38:52They're all looking for a fight.
38:56Are you okay?
38:57I still feel like a pussy.
38:59It's okay.
39:00That's okay.
39:02It's okay to feel that way.
39:04I think Taylor was right, though,
39:05and she said that, like,
39:06you act like you don't care,
39:07but you do.
39:08I know.
39:09But I don't want to care.
39:10I know you don't want to care,
39:11but that's what makes you beautiful
39:13and amazing is that you do care.
39:15So what I thought was going to be
39:16an empowering weekend
39:18is now all in shambles.
39:20I don't like confrontation.
39:21When it's in my friend group.
39:22And at this point,
39:23Mom Talk was already hanging by a thread
39:25before this trip,
39:26and now we're having this happen.
39:28I just, like, don't want to be anyone's friend.
39:30Why?
39:31Because of what Jessie said.
39:33Like what?
39:34That I get close to people,
39:35and then once I get what I want out of them,
39:37then I move on.
39:38I'm like, what the actual fuck?
39:41Whitney's my best friend,
39:42but I do think Whitney has an interesting way
39:44of handling things.
39:45I definitely wouldn't have handled things
39:46the way she has,
39:47and I think she kind of just, like,
39:50leaves when things get hard
39:51instead of trying to really figure them out.
39:53And at the same time,
39:54I do think it's one of those things
39:55where we have to do some more work
39:56to figure out what's going on
39:57and not just run away from it.
40:00Happy birthday.
40:02♪♪♪
40:11♪♪♪
40:16Hi, friend.
40:17Hey.
40:18♪♪♪
40:23Did we bring Macy's presents?
40:25Probably should have.
40:26I didn't get her one.
40:27You're like, I'm good,
40:28because I didn't bring one.
40:30Yeah, I think you're found.
40:31If anybody, Taylor,
40:32protect the belly if you fall.
40:34Especially in heels.
40:35Jen knows what she's doing.
40:36Ugh, it's the worst.
40:37This is so cute.
40:39♪♪♪
40:42Great.
40:44Okay, birthday girl,
40:45you have to wear this the whole dinner.
40:46Ooh, okay.
40:49Beautiful.
40:51Okay, you can adjust that.
40:5329, baby.
40:56Feeling fine.
40:57JK, 21.
40:5821!
40:59I'm honestly exhausted at this point.
41:01Like, I'm so pregnant.
41:03I feel bad for Macy,
41:04because her birthday is being ruined.
41:06I think there are times
41:07where you should just, like,
41:09kind of suck it up for other people.
41:11So I think in this situation for Macy's dinner,
41:14everyone just shutting up,
41:15and let's enjoy the night for Macy.
41:18Rub some dirt on it,
41:19and we can cry when we get home.
41:21You're taking pictures, Layla.
41:23Oh, you are.
41:24They have these pizza appetizers.
41:26Dang it.
41:27That sounds really good.
41:28Ooh, a vibe, really.
41:29But I didn't want to share it with the table.
41:31I wanted it to be my meal.
41:33What did you want steak, too?
41:35It's a bit lonely when you feel like
41:38all of the friends that I thought I had,
41:41I guess they're not really my friends.
41:43I'm looking at Demi, and I'm just like,
41:45you're just, you look like
41:46you're on fucking cloud nine right now.
41:52I have to pee real fast.
41:55Everyone is acting like everything's fine.
41:59It's sad.
42:05I was stronger than that.
42:06I can't even sit there.
42:07You can't.
42:08No, I'll be fine.
42:09I'm just going to pretend like
42:10I'm going to the bathroom.
42:11Okay.
42:12I think I just need to cry for a second.
42:14I know. Okay, go ahead.
42:15I'm going to cry, and then I'll be okay.
42:16You'll be okay?
42:17Yeah.
42:18Do you need anything?
42:19No, I'm okay.
42:21Did she talk at all on the way here?
42:23Yeah, she's like, what'd she say?
42:26Yeah.
42:27Whitney.
42:28I think she feels bad, too,
42:29but like things that she said and stuff, too.
42:31Yeah, I get it.
42:32Trust me.
42:33Literally me last night.
42:34I feel like she kind of needs to feel the sting
42:36of what her actions can bring to people
42:39so that she understands what that feels like,
42:41because it doesn't feel good.
42:42Like, that's below-the-belt stuff.
42:44So it's like, Whitney,
42:45that's exactly what we're talking about.
42:47It doesn't feel good.
42:48Does it feel good?
42:49Okay, I hope you don't do that moving forward.
42:53You want to do it, and I'll hold it?
42:54Okay, I can do it.
42:56I can do it.
43:00Happy birthday to you.
43:06Happy birthday, dear Macy.
43:12I know when I'm fucking in the wrong.
43:14I know when I'm fucking in the wrong.
43:16I was fucking not wrong.
43:18Happy birthday to you.
43:24If this is what mom talk has turned into,
43:27I don't want to do this anymore.
43:28I don't even know if these friendships
43:30are worth fighting for.
43:37Woo!
43:38Viva Las Vegas!
43:39My husband is going to kill me.
43:42This is my lucky poker sweatshirt.
43:44He said you're playing poker.
43:45I don't know that being in Sin City
43:48is the best thing for Zach.
43:50Woo!
43:51Way to get into it.
43:53Like, I haven't done anything wrong.
43:55No.
43:56Could you brainwash?
43:57Missing person alert.
43:58He's out of control.
44:00This is why the sisterhood of mom talk
44:02was created in the first place.
44:03She's MIA.
44:04She's not answering her phone.
44:05I mean, maybe I watched too much true crime.
44:08Happy birthday, girl.
44:09Woo!
44:10Oh, my gosh.
44:11What's all the hot gossip?
44:13She unfollowed all of us.
44:14No!
44:15Do you still consider them friends?
44:17Should I invite Whitney?
44:19Oh, awkward.
44:21Mom talk's not what it was,
44:22and I don't know if it ever will be again.
44:24And why are you here?
44:25The one time I need support,
44:27you're not there for me.
44:28This is an act, and I'm over it.
44:31This is exhausting.
44:33Cool.
44:34Did you hang up on me?
44:35Yeah.
44:36Should I say something to her?
44:37You're trying to stir the pot.
44:39You're trying to stir the pot between me and Taylor.
44:41Like, I don't like him.
44:42Everyone's getting married
44:43before their brains even develop.
44:45I did not invite him.
44:46This is for women.
44:47He'll fuck me all week, lie to me, and then...
44:49If you look at it that way, Taylor, yes.
44:52Yeah.
44:53My gosh, aren't you miserable?
44:54Yeah.
44:55It's not gonna get better.
44:56He's not gonna change.
44:57You're gonna lose everything.
44:59I don't care.