- 5/19/2025
The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 1 Episode 7
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00:00I think of me as a person and my character.
00:06Can you just think about me, please?
00:09Dakota and Zach are mad that their wives are going to Chippendales.
00:13They're not even going to Chippendales, but just walking inside the building.
00:17Dakota's mad.
00:18Uh-oh.
00:19What did you say to him?
00:20I was like, it's Chippendales. He goes, dumb.
00:22And I was like, it's just a performance.
00:24It's honestly shocking that they're so mad.
00:26He doesn't want to be married to me if I do stuff like this.
00:33I thought this girl's trip would be drama-free.
00:35And if there was drama, maybe it would be between the girls.
00:37But somehow the drama is now with the husbands.
00:40And I was not expecting this.
00:41I feel like drama just follows us.
00:43Right when we're in a good spot and we're progressing,
00:45it's like something else has to happen.
00:47Like, I haven't done anything wrong.
00:49No, you have not even gone in there.
00:51Like, I just hate when he starts questioning my character.
00:55Yeah.
00:56Like, I'm a good person.
00:58You've been great.
00:59I've done nothing wrong.
01:00No.
01:01My husband is blowing up my phone and he is just absolutely beside himself.
01:07I should have known.
01:08I should have known.
01:10The difference between the saints and the sinners is that for someone like me,
01:15I think most of my friends know where my boundaries are at with my husband.
01:20Me being a part of this group of girls has already been a lot for him.
01:25And I really think this just kind of crossed the line.
01:28Jen, I'm going to go home with you and Mikaela.
01:30Dakota's pissed too?
01:32Are we shocked?
01:33Yeah, I am.
01:34Really?
01:35Yeah.
01:36Why?
01:37Because this is an extreme level.
01:39Yeah.
01:40It's very unpractical.
01:41I don't know if they understand what this is.
01:42I think Dakota being with Zach, they're kind of the same.
01:45They're protective.
01:46I think they were looking up things and showing each other what we were seeing and doing,
01:51making up this story in their head.
01:53So Jen, and then you're coming, right?
01:55Okay, so us three can go chill or something if you want at home.
01:58We'll meet you guys back there.
02:00Here we have a perfect example of the misogyny that goes on within the Mormon church.
02:05And I don't know if that's going to be solved by them not going to Chippendales.
02:10Seats are right here.
02:11Woo!
02:12Right here!
02:13Woo!
02:14Woo!
02:15Be the last thing in it!
02:44The world's actually only super you're watching tonight is us, literally, and Taylor.
03:05Woo!
03:06Am I the devil?
03:09What's so hard is I love him so much.
03:12I don't want to disappoint him.
03:14I just, in this situation, I was giving him a chance to be more chill, you know?
03:22Zach's making me feel like I did do something.
03:25He's making me feel like I cheated on him or something and I clearly didn't do anything
03:29and he knows my heart and my intentions.
03:32And so it's so upsetting that he doesn't believe me or trust me.
03:37I would never do anything to jeopardize our marriage and it makes me sad that he doesn't
03:45feel that way.
03:46How you guys doing out there tonight?
03:47Are you guys ready to have some fun?
03:48Woo!
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04:57One of my favorite moments from the show is when Laila gets pulled on stage.
04:58She's single, she's the one that deserves it, but seeing her get bent over and danced on
04:59just made my night.
05:00I just want to be with my kids.
05:01Same.
05:02Screw everyone else.
05:03Screw this trip.
05:05but screw everyone.
05:08Well, I guess I haven't had enough chocolate donuts today,
05:11so screwing myself over with baby weight.
05:16I do feel like for Jen and I,
05:18this trip is gonna be pretty shitty.
05:19I feel like we have more on our mind now.
05:21We're on eggshells of what we can and cannot do,
05:23what we can say.
05:25Dakota's not happy about it,
05:26but I'm like, you can just shut up now.
05:29It's not good for any of us, let's just say.
05:31I know, well, that's the text message
05:33that Zach just sent me was,
05:35I'm done, Jen, not interested in talking.
05:38I can't do this anymore with you.
05:40Zach, he's typically the type of person
05:42who likes to talk things out.
05:44For him to respond this way,
05:49honestly scares me.
05:51To be honest, I really don't know what's going on.
06:01Dude, Brett, what's up, dog?
06:04I'm doing okay, bro.
06:08Like, just like me and Taylor, it sucks,
06:10because it's like, you know,
06:11they all went to like freaking Chippendales and stuff.
06:15He's gambling right now,
06:16and then he's like pissed to a Jen, like,
06:20and you know, all I can envision, dude,
06:23is like, I'm one of those people
06:24where I might go to worst case scenarios,
06:27and I'm like envisioning like these male strippers
06:29like dancing on Taylor while she's 36 weeks pregnant
06:33with my kid.
06:35I want this relationship to work.
06:37Like, I want to raise my kid with Taylor,
06:41and I want to like have that family.
06:44And like, I don't, I don't,
06:47dude, I don't want to lose that.
06:49And I think that's why it like scares me so bad
06:51is because I just,
06:53it's like something I don't want to lose.
06:55Like, I don't know.
06:59I just, sometimes I'm like, damn,
07:01I don't even know if I could handle something like that.
07:06Don't keep telling yourself you can't do it,
07:08because you can.
07:10I really do appreciate your answer, man.
07:13Like, sometimes that's like what I need
07:15is I just need to like almost talk a little bit.
07:18I'm here for you always.
07:20You're the man.
07:21Take care, buddy.
07:26Woo!
07:28Thank you!
07:28You okay?
07:30Woo!
07:31Don't forget my souvenir!
07:33Chip and Dale's was so fun.
07:34I'm so glad that us girls stayed
07:36and got to experience that.
07:37I'm just sad that not everyone was there.
07:39So now we're gonna go home and check on the girls,
07:41see how they're feeling,
07:42since their husbands wanted them
07:44to be locked away in the house tonight.
07:45But I just want to make sure
07:46that they're still able to have a good weekend.
07:48If there are men here,
07:49I will actually lose my shit.
07:51Oh.
07:52Woo!
07:53Woo!
07:54Hey!
07:55How are you doing?
07:56I'm great.
07:56Let me have a hug.
07:57Woo!
07:58Ladies and ladies only.
08:00Yes.
08:00Ladies and ladies only.
08:02Woo!
08:03I'm gonna miss you.
08:04I'm gonna miss you.
08:04I'm gonna miss you.
08:05I'm gonna miss you.
08:06Woo!
08:07I got pulled up on stage.
08:09Like, he was like straddling over me
08:11and then he pulled his hands down
08:13and put my hands on his butt
08:14and I went,
08:15and he goes,
08:16that's who I found.
08:17My husband!
08:18Woo!
08:20How his profile is.
08:22His bio says,
08:23God first, dancer for Chip and Dale second.
08:25He has a heart.
08:26Oh, cute.
08:27He's not just a good body.
08:28And a STD,
08:29but it's fine.
08:30Yeah.
08:33What's wrong?
08:34He said he's just done with everything.
08:37Pardon me?
08:40Done with everything?
08:45He's saying I'm not gonna be married
08:46to someone who doesn't have values and morals.
08:49What?
08:50He text that?
08:51Yes, it's like,
08:52what have I done in this situation
08:53to like, lose your trust?
08:54He has no right to like,
08:56be saying those things.
08:57No.
08:58That's threatening your marriage.
08:59That's really weird to me.
09:00Someone who carried two of your freaking children
09:03and has been nothing but supportive
09:05and bending over backwards
09:06to try to support him through medical school
09:08and everything.
09:08That's gross.
09:09Sorry.
09:10There's no other way to put it.
09:11That's gross.
09:13It's like,
09:14he's judging you
09:17on something you didn't even do.
09:20It's not okay.
09:21I know that doesn't make the situation better,
09:23but it's really strange.
09:25I think it's totally valid.
09:28It's gross.
09:29And we're not there.
09:29I'm like, why are you still talking?
09:31Arguing like she's there.
09:33That's what I'm saying.
09:34That's what I told Dakota.
09:35I was like, I went home.
09:36There's nothing else to say.
09:37Zip it.
09:38It's shocking to me
09:39that not only Taylor is dealing with this,
09:41but also Jen.
09:42I'll be back, guys.
09:43I'm gonna change.
09:45If their husbands and boyfriend
09:47are still pissed about this,
09:48it feels like they're stuck in another era.
09:50I don't know how to say this any nicer,
09:52but if I was in your relationship,
09:54I'd wanna jump off the cliff.
09:56How do you do it?
09:57Both of you.
09:58My gosh, aren't you miserable?
10:03Yeah.
10:05Like, not just in the relationship.
10:07I'm just tired in general.
10:09I don't know.
10:10But I've created a lot of these issues too.
10:13Like, it's not-
10:14I know.
10:15Aren't you guys done being miserable?
10:15It's exhausting.
10:17Yeah, and I told him that.
10:18I was like, if you're miserable and not happy,
10:20like, you gotta walk away.
10:22I just, I'm looking at marriage,
10:24and if these problems are already
10:25kinda coming up with Dakota and I,
10:27I feel like you're on a better behavior dating
10:29than you are in a marriage.
10:31So I don't want that to get to that level ever
10:34with, like, how Zach tries to control Jen.
10:36That will never be okay with me.
10:38And I really want to confront Dakota about it
10:40and shut it down.
10:41Worried he's, like, alone.
10:44Yeah.
10:45In his thoughts, you know?
10:46Do you wanna go see him?
10:47I don't think I'll be able to sleep
10:48unless I, like, talk to him about it.
10:51I don't want to see Dakota,
10:53but I wanna sleep alone.
10:55I mean, I'm not apologizing for anything, but.
10:56You did what you're supposed to.
10:57You came home.
10:58There's nothing else you could've done.
11:00♪ I can't see you ♪
11:05♪ I'm calling from the moon ♪
11:07Good morning.
11:08Hi.
11:09My eyes are, like, popping.
11:10It's all good for you.
11:11Yeah.
11:12The only thing going is just the wings.
11:14I love these little cherries.
11:15Babies.
11:16They're so cute.
11:17Woo, baby!
11:19Hi, baby.
11:20Woo!
11:21Woo!
11:21Woo, woo, woo!
11:23Put that belly away.
11:25I am extremely pregnant.
11:27I'm frustrated, I'm exhausted, and I'm tired.
11:30Dakota and I haven't talked since last night,
11:32and honestly, like, I am done taking shit.
11:38Where's, did Jen leave?
11:40Oh, you're gonna die.
11:41Tell them what happened.
11:42Last night, Jen left the house at 2 a.m.
11:45This is her for literally two hours.
11:48Oh, no.
11:50Just texting, texting.
11:51I'm like, why don't you call him?
11:53He won't talk to me.
11:54Why don't you go see him?
11:56He doesn't want to see me.
11:57He's done.
11:57Zach is the biggest narcissist.
12:00Oh, no.
12:01The things he was saying, guys.
12:03What?
12:04She had me read their entire thread,
12:06and I'm so glad I did because it literally
12:08was 10 times worse than I could imagine.
12:12I'm fucking done, Jen.
12:14I'm done with you.
12:15I'm done with our marriage.
12:17I'm done.
12:18You're disgusting.
12:19He said, I don't love you anymore.
12:20I don't love you.
12:22No.
12:23Zach was essentially just playing games with Jen,
12:26and she kept saying, can we get on a phone call?
12:29Can we talk?
12:29Can I come see you?
12:31He literally just said, this is where I am.
12:33Come right now, or I'm not talking to you.
12:36He's threatening to take the kids.
12:37He's threatening to move home to his mom's house.
12:40It's getting crazy.
12:41Clearly, she's upset.
12:42She left at two in the morning in Vegas,
12:45and then I never heard from her again.
12:47You can't take those words back.
12:48Even if they work through this,
12:49she's always gonna have that in her head.
12:52This is gonna damage her the rest of her life.
12:58Zach texts Jen, and he was like,
13:01the fact that you would even put yourself
13:02in this situation, Jen.
13:04No.
13:05He's like, I didn't know.
13:06He said, everyone else's husbands are like,
13:09have a good time, I love you, I trust you.
13:11I thought that there would be some sort of response
13:13in that vicinity, knowing our history.
13:15And he goes, stop bringing up other couples
13:18that I would wanna be nothing like.
13:19He's like, Jess cheated on her ex-husband.
13:24Which is not true.
13:25I'm like, where did you get that?
13:27Macy and Jacob are a joke.
13:30She walks all over him.
13:32He's, he-
13:33It's called respect, bitch.
13:34No, literally.
13:36Demi, divorced and married to a 50-year-old.
13:40What?
13:42But he is like, trying to come off like he is this alpha,
13:46and I'm like, you look like the biggest baby bitch
13:49right now.
13:50No, truly.
13:51I had an idea of how controlling Zach could be,
13:54but I really had no idea it was this bad,
13:58until hearing and seeing all the text messages.
14:01And I don't know if it's a matter of trust.
14:02I don't know if it's a matter of like,
14:03these men being in the church,
14:05and maybe seeing the traditional values.
14:06I'm not quite sure.
14:07But as mom talk, we all rally around each other,
14:10see that this behavior is not okay, and it's not normal.
14:13She's like, what would you do?
14:15What would you, and I'm like,
14:17this isn't the Jen that I see that's fierce,
14:20and like, confident, and-
14:22He sucks the life out of her.
14:24Like, she was like a ray of sunshine, he like dims it.
14:26Ew, ew, ew, ew.
14:29Hi.
14:30What are you doing?
14:33I'm at a go-karting place.
14:35Oh, fun.
14:37Who you with?
14:38By myself.
14:39Why are you by yourself?
14:41Zach just like, bounced.
14:43I don't know what's going on.
14:45I can't like, he like, texted me last night, but-
14:48What'd he say?
14:50Oh, that he's just going back to his room,
14:51and that was the last I heard of him.
14:53Well, Jen went over there last night.
14:55Oh, she did?
14:56Yeah, I felt bad.
14:57She didn't leave here though, till like, I think 2 a.m.?
15:00Well, yeah, I think she gambled till like,
15:02probably 1.30 or 2, so.
15:08So Zach was gambling till 1.30 a.m.?
15:11Oh, shit.
15:14Wait, why?
15:14Was I not supposed to say that or something?
15:18That gambling is bad.
15:19Jen told me that his family gave him a chunk of money
15:21to help them through medical school
15:23and kind of ease the burden, and he blew right through it.
15:28I don't even know what's going on.
15:30Jen was like, crying,
15:31cause she was like, he was making her feel like
15:33she did something super wrong, like, he went in there.
15:36We met them and stuff, and like, we obviously-
15:39Oh, you met them?
15:40Yeah.
15:42Oh, you didn't tell me that.
15:43Well, I'm telling you that right now.
15:45Well, why didn't you tell me that last night?
15:47We haven't talked at all, so where would I have told you that?
15:49Last night.
15:50I'm telling you right now, so what's the issue?
15:53The fact that you didn't tell me that last night.
15:55OK, I didn't tell you last night,
15:56but I'm telling you right now.
15:57So where's the issue?
15:58Dakota is so mad that Taylor went backstage
16:01and met these dancers.
16:02I think when men get upset about this kind of thing,
16:06it really shows that they have a lot of insecurities.
16:08And it makes me feel like he's hiding something,
16:10like there's something off about that.
16:12And now I got this confession about Dakota.
16:14I feel like this easily could be true.
16:16And I feel like we need to get to the bottom of it.
16:19Why'd you call me again?
16:22Yeah, OK.
16:24Cool.
16:26Yeah, why'd you call me?
16:28I do know for a fact Dakota and I do trigger each other.
16:32I don't know if he's intentionally picking fights
16:35because I won't commit to him.
16:36I do feel like as time goes on, he gets more frustrated,
16:40which always causes fights.
16:41It's just, it's frustrating.
16:43Taylor.
16:47I admit, I am wild.
16:49I like your voice, I like your smile.
16:51I'm paranoid, believe me, wild.
16:54Jen's gone.
16:55She's not answering any of our texts.
16:56And of course, I'm worried about her because I feel responsible.
17:01Chippendales is supposed to be a fun place.
17:03And hearing what Dakota and Zach's reactions were,
17:06I would like to say that I'm shocked, but I'm not.
17:09Zach is the typical LDS husband who
17:11expects perfection from his wife,
17:14even if it's hypocritical because he makes mistakes too.
17:16And that makes me really sad because I don't
17:18think she did anything wrong.
17:19Food's here.
17:22I just feel like I'm so sick of men rooting our trips.
17:26I know.
17:28Gosh.
17:29I just think it's the silliest thing.
17:31It's all insecurity.
17:32And that's the crazy thing.
17:33It's just so silly.
17:34Like, why are we acting like little toddlers running around?
17:37The men have caused more drama in this group than the women
17:39have, I feel like, at this point.
17:40Like, it's not weird.
17:42I wouldn't say that.
17:43I don't know about that.
17:45I think you're a little bit rose-colored glasses
17:48without Whitney here.
17:49Oh, true that.
17:50I keep forgetting she's a part of our group.
17:52So I'm pretending she's not.
17:53If she wasn't here, then for sure.
17:55I'm just praying she's not.
17:57She's not part of my group.
17:58And I will say, she's always been impulsive,
18:00but I've never seen her this impulsively,
18:03like, very hot and cold.
18:04And she's getting angry easily and crying easily.
18:06I'm like, are you OK?
18:08I haven't given up on Whitney being part of Mom Talk.
18:11I know everyone else has.
18:12And they're having these conversations.
18:14But I still feel like there's a chance
18:16that she could come back, apologize for the things
18:18that she's done to the group.
18:20You guys know where Whitney is?
18:21Oh, is Whitney not here yet?
18:22She's not coming.
18:23What do you mean?
18:24She unfollowed all of us.
18:25No!
18:26What?
18:27Demi, I have a gift for you, though.
18:28You.
18:29Yes.
18:30Oh!
18:34Fruity pebbles.
18:35I'm dead.
18:35That's so dumb.
18:38But the one thing I will say is this trip
18:39has been a bit more peaceful without her there,
18:42because I don't have to be going back
18:43and forth between the friends.
18:44It almost seems like sometimes she can't control her emotions
18:47until, like, a little bit later.
18:48I'm like, wait, like, calm down.
18:50Like, relax.
18:51I think, angry-wise, she's never been this angry.
18:53She's always been this impulsive.
18:54She's always been this back and forth, like.
18:57I truly don't know if she's capable of true friendship.
19:00Until I can see that there is some reciprocation there
19:04and, like, some actual acknowledgment
19:05of, like, her part in things, I am taking 20 steps back.
19:10100% me, too.
19:13Mm.
19:15We've got three bowls.
19:17You open the top, and then you squirt it in.
19:19I can help you.
19:21I just got off the phone with Jordan.
19:24You're not going to believe what he told me.
19:27What?
19:28I know you're trying to, like, avoid the drama, so.
19:30Yeah.
19:31You want me to tell you what's going on?
19:33I mean, yeah.
19:33What?
19:35Everybody went to Vegas.
19:36Yeah.
19:36But I guess Dakota and Zach also went down.
19:39Dakota didn't want to go down alone,
19:41because he's an ex-addict, without having
19:43someone there to support him.
19:44And I guess last night, the girls
19:46decided to go to, like, a show.
19:47Fun.
19:48And they decided to do Chippendales.
19:52According to Jordan, the girls got, like, VIP access.
19:55So they got to go, like, backstage
19:56and, like, help oil up the guys.
19:58Zach and Dakota were pissed off.
20:04Zach blows up on Jen, calls her terrible names.
20:09According to Jordan.
20:11According to Jordan, like, a terrible mother.
20:12He started threatening Jen with divorce.
20:15Said, I want a divorce.
20:17My stuff's going to be out of the house by tomorrow.
20:19Like, you have no values.
20:21You think he's being serious?
20:24I don't know, and I don't care.
20:27It's not my marriage.
20:28Just saying.
20:29I could see where he's coming from, because I don't
20:32think she's a good friend.
20:34I think it's fair to say what happens in Vegas
20:36doesn't always stay in Vegas.
20:38I made the right choice to not attend that event.
20:41So far in this mom talk group, honestly,
20:43Macy's really my only friend.
20:46Nobody's talking to me.
20:47Nobody's reaching out to me.
20:48That's totally fine.
20:49But Macy's definitely my only girl right now.
20:53I, like, can't relate with these women.
20:55I don't want to be around those women, because every,
20:57because of what's happening every single time I'm around
20:59you.
21:00Yeah.
21:01Don't feel safe.
21:01I leave feeling horrible about myself
21:04when I'm trying to get better.
21:06Why would I want to be around people like that?
21:07It takes a lot of confidence and a lot of courage
21:10to make the decision you made to, you know, to say,
21:12you know what?
21:13I need to create this boundary for myself
21:15to protect my emotions, to protect how I feel,
21:17to protect my mental state.
21:19I love what mom talk stands for.
21:20And I feel like I've already done so much for this platform
21:24that I can continue to do so much.
21:26But I don't know if it's, if I want to do
21:27it with this group of women.
21:29The easy decision would have just been to go.
21:32I mean, I'd be lying if I said I didn't have a bit of FOMO,
21:35for sure.
21:36But also the-
21:37After hearing all this, did it go away?
21:39Absolutely.
21:40Mom talk's not what it was.
21:42And I don't know if it ever will be again.
21:44Oh yeah.
21:48Mindy!
21:49We played pickleball for 15 minutes.
21:51Yeah.
21:53You're playing with a ping pong champion.
21:58That was a dart.
21:58Look at him.
21:59He came out of nowhere.
22:00It's nine-zero.
22:01Even though he won that point, it didn't count
22:03because he weren't serving.
22:05The vibes are just off.
22:07And I feel like we need to blow off some steam.
22:09But Jen is missing.
22:11And I'm worried.
22:12I mean, maybe I watch too much true crime,
22:14but I feel like you hear these stories a lot.
22:16And I'm not saying that Zach would do that.
22:17But at this point, my mind's in circles.
22:19I feel like anything could happen,
22:20especially because she's MIA.
22:21She's not answering her phone.
22:23There you go.
22:24It did.
22:25Woo!
22:26Woo!
22:27That's game, baby.
22:29Oh, you don't smack him.
22:30Shane, there you go.
22:32We have to make sure we're there for her
22:34when she returns.
22:34It sucks.
22:35But we also want to make sure
22:36we're taking care of our friend.
22:38Woo!
22:39Oh, that is hot.
22:40Woo!
22:42Then it got cold.
22:44This group of six right now, I'm like, I love.
22:46I know.
22:47No, it's great.
22:49Guys, I don't think you realize that my skin is damaged.
22:52I know.
22:53We were dying that you posted like a photo of Jen
22:55and tagged her.
22:55You should have been like, Jen, where are you at?
22:57Jen, answer the phone.
22:58Why'd you do that?
22:59No, I should post it.
23:00Last seen.
23:01Sending out a missing person.
23:03Missing person alert.
23:04Missing person alert.
23:05Wait, Jen just text me.
23:06What?
23:07What did she say?
23:09She said we were up all night, dude.
23:12It was the hardest conversation I've ever had with him.
23:15What does that mean?
23:17I mean, I'm sure she'll tell us later.
23:19We're so unbeatable.
23:20What does it mean?
23:22Is he laughing?
23:23Is he laughing still at us or not?
23:25What'd you say to me?
23:26I said, holy shit, dude, I'm so glad you're okay.
23:29Was legitimately worried.
23:30I want to hear it all.
23:31How did it end?
23:32I'm just going to be kind of annoyed if she comes tonight
23:34and she like drags down the mood.
23:35Or she's like, you guys, it's all fine.
23:37Like he, he respects me now.
23:39Cause she does that a lot where she's like,
23:41no, he understands.
23:43And I'm like, no, he doesn't.
23:44Jen and I, we do share different religious views,
23:46which can be hard.
23:47But I feel like Zach is the exact type of person
23:50that I have a problem with in the church.
23:52Jen likes to tell me that Zach is protective,
23:54but I prefer to say controlling.
23:56It really saddens me that she's been living
23:58with this for so long and she hasn't confided
24:00in us as her friends.
24:02This is actually my first time sitting on this couch.
24:03It's actually comfy.
24:04But I'm like, where is it from?
24:06Cause I actually kind of want it.
24:07Cause the depth.
24:08Doesn't it have like a little tag?
24:09Where's that on the cushion?
24:11It's on that one under your head.
24:13It's not.
24:14Oh, your titties are in my face.
24:16There's not much, there's not much to see.
24:19Now your coochie's in my face.
24:21There's not much to see there.
24:22What is happening?
24:24Don't you're so lucky.
24:25Oh, here it is.
24:27Good heavens.
24:28Look, it doesn't say.
24:30Oh great.
24:31All that for nothing.
24:50It's Dakota.
25:02It's Dakota.
25:06Come on, can I come in?
25:08What do you need?
25:09What?
25:10Taylor.
25:11What, she's sleeping.
25:12Taylor's not here, she's sleeping.
25:12Oh, she is?
25:13Yeah, she's been sleeping for like an hour.
25:14She's dead asleep for like an hour.
25:15She has been?
25:16Yeah.
25:17Yeah, I just want to talk to her.
25:18About what?
25:19No, she's actually.
25:21Just real quick.
25:22You better not start some shit.
25:28Hi.
25:29Hi.
25:31Hi.
25:34I just wanted to come and talk to you.
25:38I just feel like,
25:40I definitely like overreacted last night.
25:44He said he overreacted.
25:46Oh, that's nice.
25:48I think he's just there to apologize.
25:53I'm trying not to breathe so I can hear them.
25:55We've had a lot of issues
25:57and a lot of like very sensitive things
26:00throughout our relationship.
26:02And so, I'm just sorry.
26:07I really am, Taylor.
26:26This problem is just so much deeper than us.
26:29I'm just so tired.
26:31I know you're too tired.
26:32And that's why.
26:34And that's why.
26:35No, it's not.
26:36I just think this would be the time
26:38that you could just like be patient with me.
26:41And like, I feel bad
26:42because we're like 17 days away from having our baby.
26:46And we're like so bad.
26:48And I don't know how I'm gonna live.
26:51I just don't know how to be a good mom.
26:56I feel like I have trust issues with everyone
26:58because of what I've done.
27:00One, those stay with you.
27:02And then not only that,
27:03I saw so many lies from other people.
27:07This is so hard.
27:19I came into this relationship
27:21where you did show me a completely different you.
27:25You were extremely loving to me.
27:27You were extremely reassuring to me.
27:29You were extremely in this and committed to me.
27:32And things progressively got worse and worse for you.
27:35No.
27:35Things got worse.
27:36I mean, I disagree with that.
27:38I don't one bit.
27:39That's how it went.
27:40No, it went, I let you in.
27:43Yeah.
27:43And the guard went up because of the lies.
27:47Now I almost feel glad I didn't tell her.
27:50I don't know why, but I feel like I still feel bad.
27:53I know we're doing it because she's like waking down.
27:55And I'm like, oh, by the way,
27:57here's this message someone sent me.
27:59Like, I'm like, I'm like, well, I haven't told her yet.
28:03Do you think I should?
28:04That's what I'm saying.
28:05Like, I think she puts on a strong face,
28:08but every time they know it, she's breaking down.
28:11I'm feeling really nervous to tell Taylor
28:13about the confession about Dakota.
28:15She deserves to know the truth.
28:17But I'm worried because we're days away
28:19from her having a baby.
28:20We're in Vegas in an Airbnb.
28:21I don't want her giving birth in our Airbnb.
28:23I won't be able to catch that baby.
28:25So we need someone else to do it.
28:35We're both very broken.
28:36And it's really sad because I don't know
28:39how two broken people that are drowning
28:41help each other, you know?
28:43Right now I feel very fed up.
28:45I think I'm just one, so exhausted.
28:48I'm so pregnant.
28:49Just let me have this time, deliver.
28:51And then when the time's right,
28:52we can discuss these things.
28:54But right now, you see me struggling all day, every day.
28:57Maybe keep your mouth shut
28:58and just feel for me at this time.
29:01I feel like I've come to some sort of resolution,
29:02I hope, at least.
29:04And then I'm like, by the way, look what I got.
29:07You know what I mean?
29:08It's like, gosh.
29:09But I also feel like she needs to know.
29:11I just, now I'm wishing I told her earlier.
29:13I just wish it wasn't something that you got.
29:16And I wish this whole situation wasn't happening.
29:18I know.
29:20I'm stressed just thinking about it.
29:22I mean, we have to tell her tonight
29:23because we're leaving for more things
29:25we have to put on tonight.
29:26♪♪♪
29:31♪♪♪
29:33♪♪♪
29:35Cute.
29:36Cute.
29:37You look hot.
29:39Um, let's get the hell out of here.
29:42Whoo!
29:43She's got her coat.
29:44She's ready to go.
29:45Whoo!
29:46Whoo!
29:47Whoo!
29:48Whoo!
29:49Whoo!
29:50Your sister's going to jail.
29:51Stop taking pictures of yourself.
29:52Who's my sister?
29:53Taylor.
29:54Oh.
29:55I'm kidding.
29:56What?
29:57I'm joking.
29:58I am not going back there.
29:59Never.
30:00Taylor learned her lesson.
30:01You guys, did Jen text any of you back?
30:02No, I was just going to say that.
30:03Is she going to show up to dinner?
30:04I doubt it.
30:05Look, I've got us here safe.
30:06You did.
30:07Good job.
30:08I'm so proud of you.
30:10Oh, this is so cute.
30:11Very cute.
30:12I'm so hungry.
30:13I can't wait.
30:14I'm so stoked.
30:15How are you doing?
30:16Are you okay?
30:17Yeah, why?
30:18You're just so pregnant.
30:19I just, like, worry.
30:20Wait, what?
30:21How did your conversation with Dakota go?
30:22We're both, like, struggling on our own.
30:23Yeah.
30:24But I told him I just didn't want to meet Jen in five years.
30:25Yeah.
30:26I was, like, thankful I wasn't married.
30:27Yeah.
30:28Yeah.
30:29So I guess Jen's not coming.
30:30So I heard they were talking.
30:31Oh, she is.
30:32Maybe late.
30:33Maybe late.
30:34Maybe late.
30:35Maybe late.
30:36Maybe late.
30:37Maybe late.
30:38Maybe late.
30:39Maybe late.
30:40Maybe late.
30:41Maybe late.
30:42Maybe late.
30:43Maybe late.
30:44Oh, she is.
30:45Maybe late.
30:46So I heard they were talking.
30:47Did they amend things?
30:48Like, I'm curious what they did all day.
30:49What bugs me is Zach making Jen feel guilty, like, this bad person for showing up to a
30:56surprise we didn't have any idea that was going on.
31:00He went out and did his thing he's not proud of, gambling.
31:04It's frowned upon in our religion.
31:05I know that that's, like, a hidden little secret of his, but I just feel like she's
31:09enabling it with, like, letting him gamble and stuff.
31:12That, to me, is very confusing and hypocritical and not fair.
31:15Are you going to say something to her about it?
31:18I kind of want to.
31:19Like, I'll leave that up to you, because I made a promise on the same.
31:22Do you have her location?
31:23No, but I was going to call her, and I forgot my number.
31:26Call her and just know you'll be on speaker with Zach as well.
31:29Yeah, it's true.
31:30Hi, baby girl.
31:31Oh, sweet.
31:32Oh, my gosh.
31:33I'm so happy to hear your voice, finally.
31:34I know.
31:35I know.
31:36Wait, where are you?
31:37I'm not on speaker.
31:38I just got to the house.
31:39I'm on speaker.
31:41I just got to the house.
31:42I'm going to start getting ready, but I just wanted to see where you guys were at and if
31:46you guys ordered already.
31:48Um, we just got our food.
31:51Are things okay with you and Zach?
31:53Oh, things are great.
31:54Oh, my gosh.
31:55It was honestly so needed.
31:58Jen finally calls us back, and she just sounds so different on the phone.
32:02Like, it needed to happen.
32:04Like, it does not sound like her.
32:06It almost sounds like she has a gun to her head, and she's like, everything's wonderful.
32:09Everything's perfect.
32:11I'm so happy, and yet she's, like, dying inside and, like, sweating.
32:15Because the way you left in an Uber at 2 a.m., I am freaking confused.
32:21I feel like Zach dims Jen's light.
32:24It feels like she can't even say what she means because she's so worried about his opinion
32:28and what he thinks, and this is pretty much the opposite of, like, everything we stand
32:32for as a group at MomTalk.
32:33We're about, like, empowering women, about being strong and standing up for ourselves,
32:36and that's how Jen is until she's with her husband.
32:40Don't worry.
32:41I'm good now.
32:42Don't worry.
32:43Okay.
32:44I love you.
32:45Love you.
32:46Bye.
32:47Bye.
32:48She's on speaker.
32:49She's, like, going to be great.
32:50It went great.
32:51It's all fine.
32:52It's all fine.
32:53Yeah, I know.
32:54It's, like, it went fabulous.
32:55You guys, I was in this relationship.
32:56Like, I know.
32:57Like, my ex-husband was just like this.
32:58You guys, I cannot see Zach tonight.
32:59Like, if he is at the house, like, I will not be able to hold myself back.
33:03No, I can't either.
33:04It's always the nicest guys.
33:05Like, Ted Bundy.
33:07Like, not to say he's going to do that, but, like, people say he's a drummer, and he was,
33:11like, very charismatic.
33:12He's going to have to know how to draw people in.
33:14So, to the bars, because this, the guy that owns this place owns all the bars on the street.
33:19We're going to walk the street, check out the bars.
33:22Bar hopping, baby!
33:23Woo!
33:24Taylor's, like, great!
33:25I'm on probation.
33:26I'm sorry.
33:27It's okay.
33:28I'll go back with Taylor.
33:29Taylor can't go to the bars, so I'm going to hang back with her.
33:33She's pregnant.
33:34I don't want her to be alone.
33:35I feel like this might be my only chance to tell her about the confession I received
33:38about Dakota sleeping with someone else.
33:40You're a true friend.
33:41Of course.
33:42I know some of us aren't, but, you know.
33:43Oh!
33:44Don't change.
33:45Woo!
33:46We'll be back so soon.
33:47I'm going to go get wasted.
33:48Woo-hoo!
33:49Where are you going?
33:50I'm winning with Taylor!
33:51Woo!
33:52Woo!
33:53I'm a girl!
33:54I'm a girl!
33:55I'm a girl!
33:56I'm a girl!
33:57I'm a girl!
33:58I'm a girl!
33:59I'm a girl!
34:00I'm a girl!
34:01I'm a girl!
34:02I'm a girl!
34:03I'm a girl!
34:05You're going to miss me!
34:06Woo!
34:07Woo!
34:08I'll meet you in there later.
34:09Woo!
34:10Let's just look and find a cute little spot to chill or something fun.
34:11Enter the pub?
34:12Definitely not in Utah anymore.
34:13I got pizza fireplaces!
34:14We have to over go it?
34:15Yeah.
34:16What?
34:17Why are you looking at me like that?
34:18Like what?
34:19I don't know.
34:20You did like...
34:21What?
34:22What?
34:23I don't know.
34:24I could just tell you.
34:25I'm a girl.
34:26I'm a girl.
34:27I'm a girl.
34:28I'm a girl.
34:29I'm a girl.
34:30I'm a girl.
34:31I'm a girl.
34:32I'm a girl.
34:33I'm a girl.
34:34I'm a girl.
34:35I'm a girl.
34:36I'm a girl.
34:37I'm a girl.
34:38I'm a girl.
34:39I'm a girl.
34:40Yeah.
34:41I don't know.
34:42I could just tell you like your faces are off.
34:43I feel like I need to tell you something.
34:44Ughh.
34:45Ugh.
34:46I didn't want to bring it up and then like you had that fight when I was there at the
34:47house and I was like well maybe my gut is telling me something and I need to show her.
34:50But I didn't want to upset you and then I feel horrible even telling you now cause you're
34:54about to give birth but I feel like for me I would want to know and I feel like you'd
34:58probably want to know the more I think about it and so, long story short, like, you know
35:03You know, I did my, like, confession Sundays,
35:05or whatever, like, the center Sundays.
35:06Yeah.
35:07Someone sent in a confession about Dakota.
35:12Taylor and I have been friends for years.
35:14And so that's why I care so much to tell her these things.
35:16If I was in her situation, I would want to know.
35:20The only thing that still makes me worried about telling her
35:22is the fact that she's going to have a baby any day.
35:25I don't want to put her into labor.
35:27You want me to read it to you?
35:28Yeah.
35:29They said, I accidentally slept with Dakota.
35:31Before I knew, he and Taylor were together.
35:34And I only met Taylor once.
35:35I'm terrified to tell her.
35:36But I feel like she has a right to know, help.
35:39I accidentally slept with Dakota.
35:51I accidentally slept with Dakota.
35:53That's where, yeah.
35:54Well, that's what I don't know what that means.
35:57I'm in shock.
35:58I don't know what to think.
35:59This is exactly what I've been afraid of this whole time.
36:02If you're telling me you love me and you're going to F
36:04another bitch, I don't want you.
36:05No, yeah.
36:06In my mind, I would like to think that this isn't true.
36:09But at the same time, I'm in my head
36:10like this could be true because of things that have happened.
36:13So I don't know what to think.
36:14I'm just so tired.
36:15I'm like, at this point, if it is,
36:17like I am done with you, buddy.
36:18Like 101%.
36:20I don't care that I'm having his kid.
36:21I will leave him in a heartbeat.
36:23There would be no question for me.
36:24Bye.
36:26Hi.
36:27Hey, guys.
36:28Where is she?
36:29She's freaking alive.
36:30Hi.
36:32Jennifer.
36:32How are you?
36:33I know.
36:35It was definitely a hard night with Zach.
36:38We talked everything out, and he ended up apologizing.
36:42So I'm meeting up with the girls to let
36:44them know that we, for the most part,
36:45have figured everything out.
36:47Has there been drama?
36:48No.
36:49It was fun.
36:50Really?
36:51Dinner was so fun, yeah.
36:52Like the whole day today has been fine?
36:54Yeah.
36:55It seems weird that it's when you and Whitney are away.
36:59Shut up.
37:01I'm shocked that Zach let Jen out of his sight tonight.
37:06Oh, hello.
37:07Oh, my god.
37:08Oh, Jenny's here.
37:10Oh, my gosh, Jen.
37:12I really don't know what version of Jen I'm going to get.
37:15And as scared as I am of Zach, I'm
37:17a little bit nervous of Jen right now.
37:19Because depending on the day, I don't
37:22Because depending on the day and the conversations
37:25that she just came from with Zach,
37:28we get a little bit of a different version of her.
37:31And I don't think she's fully comprehending how serious
37:34this situation is right now.
37:36What did I miss?
37:37What have you guys been up to?
37:39Just a little chatty chit chat.
37:40Just a little girly chat.
37:41Has it been a long day for you two?
37:43Yeah, it's been a really long day.
37:44I'm so curious.
37:45What have you been dealing with all day?
37:47Oh, gosh.
37:49I don't even know where to start.
37:51Obviously, you guys saw that, saw how upset
37:54Zach was last night.
37:56Yes.
37:57And you know what?
37:58He knows he's in the wrong.
38:00And all I know is, like, we argued and a lot happened.
38:05But at the end of it, like, yes, he
38:07has, like, these narcissistic traits about him.
38:10And, like, they come out in, like, situations
38:12like this, like, every few months.
38:15But, like, who's to say in another marriage
38:17that won't be the same thing?
38:20The conversation Zach and I had in that hotel room
38:22was probably one of, like, the hardest conversations
38:25I've ever had with him.
38:26We spent that whole night talking about everything.
38:30And he definitely feels really, really bad
38:33about how he treated me and, honestly, how
38:36he handled the whole situation.
38:38I do feel like the good outweighs the bad.
38:41I truly feel like I've never met someone
38:43who loves me more than him.
38:44And I honestly don't feel like-
38:46But Jen, you got married at, like, 20.
38:48100%.
38:49It's kind of the theme with our church, though,
38:51and, like, kind of what the problem is.
38:53Everyone's getting married before their brains
38:55even develop.
38:56So we don't want you to feel trapped
38:58because you're not just because you have kids with him.
39:00Like, that's such a taboo thing that's out the window.
39:03You should be safe, happy, loved, supported,
39:06and all the things you deserve that.
39:08The more I learn about Zach, I do
39:10think he falls into a stereotypical Mormon.
39:13He makes the decisions.
39:14He dominates the relationship.
39:16And he calls the shots.
39:18And I think he would be perfectly happy
39:20if Jen followed his every move and didn't
39:22have a personality of her own.
39:24All of us are disgusted with Zach.
39:26I think he's disgusting.
39:28And I have no problem saying that.
39:29And I know you all agree.
39:30So please back me up.
39:31Well, it's because we love you.
39:32I love you so much, Jen.
39:33And we don't want to say it.
39:35This frustration is not towards you.
39:37This is Jen.
39:38You've done jack shit to the man.
39:40Nothing but support him.
39:41Nothing but love him.
39:42Nothing but be there for him.
39:43And that's how you got treated.
39:45That's narcissistic.
39:46It's crazy.
39:47This is a serious thing.
39:49It's definitely hard hearing them bash on Zach.
39:54I feel very defeated because to hear all my friends validate
40:00a lot of the emotions I've had, like, man,
40:04like, is this a deal breaker?
40:06He was so fucking pissed over nothing.
40:08And this is the first time we're actually nervous about it.
40:10So this is passion for you.
40:11You know it's a normal thing for you.
40:13And that's what's sad.
40:14Because he wouldn't have gotten over it that fast if it's
40:16something that happens a lot.
40:17Yeah.
40:18I literally agree with you.
40:19I'm not disagreeing with you.
40:21I clearly see it.
40:22It wasn't until I started vocalizing my opinion,
40:24until I started providing, until I had kids that I realized,
40:27oh, shoot, like, I do have a voice.
40:29And I do need to speak up.
40:30And now that it's happening, he hasn't seen this side of me
40:33throughout our whole marriage.
40:34And it's now just coming out.
40:35So this is us working through it.
40:37And it's bringing out this narcissistic side of him
40:40because he feels like he doesn't have control.
40:42And so that's just everything we're working through.
40:48To be honest, like, I love him so much that I'm,
40:51and I love my kids so much.
40:53Do you think it's OK for your kids to learn this behavior?
40:55Do you want Nora being treated this way?
40:57Not at all.
40:58Do you want Luca to treat a woman this way?
40:59Because that's the track you're on.
41:00Not at all.
41:01And you're going to show them that it's OK to stay in that.
41:03And when they're older, they will see it.
41:05I'm not kidding.
41:06It's not going to get better, Jen.
41:07He's not going to change.
41:08You know, like, the percentages of, like,
41:10narcissists being able to change.
41:11Like, it's pretty much zero.
41:13Yeah.
41:14We all love you.
41:15And like they said, I know I'm coming off
41:16really strong right now.
41:17It's just because I feel like you deserve so much better.
41:20And I want you to know I'm always Team Jen.
41:22I am 1,000% not Team Zach for also the stuff
41:25he said about all of our marriages
41:27last night in those texts.
41:28And I think we have a right to be pissed.
41:30And I never want to be in the same room as him.
41:33The stuff he said about me, are you fucking kidding me?
41:35That he knows is not true.
41:37He knows isn't true.
41:38I cheated on my ex-husband.
41:39Where'd he hear it?
41:40The stuff he said about Macy flirting with my husband
41:43and how Layla's single.
41:44She's married to a 50-year-old.
41:45Like, so disrespectful to all of your friends
41:48when we've done nothing to you but support and love you
41:51when he treats you like shit.
41:53Because you can't see it when you're in it.
41:55You notice that there's patterns,
41:56but it's almost like you're not adding it up.
42:00Gosh, this is hard for me to talk about.
42:03It's OK.
42:04Jenny, I'm sorry.
42:05I know it's hard.
42:07This type of behavior is exactly what Mom Talk
42:11is trying to break in our LDS faith.
42:16We're not doing this anymore.
42:17Like, we don't need to look or act or be a certain way
42:22to be the perfect wife.
42:24Like, we have to go easy on her because it's hard to hear.
42:27This is why the sisterhood of Mom Talk
42:29was created in the first place.
42:31We don't want anyone to feel alone.
42:33And to have that support that a lot of women don't have.
42:42Mom Talk, that is important to me.
42:47I don't really care.
42:49Macy got this DM, I think, a while back.
42:52And it's about me?
42:53Yes.
42:54Whitney hasn't shown up yet.
42:55If Whitney doesn't walk through that door,
42:57we all unfollow her on social media.
42:59Yes.
43:00What in the literal fuck?
43:02What the hell is she doing here?
43:04But you and McKayla aren't friends.
43:06McKayla doesn't like you.
43:07I don't think that Mom Talk is as important
43:09as I thought it was.
43:10This is not good.
43:11You are sabotaging us.
43:13I'm the one who truly cares about Taylor.
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