- 5/18/2025
The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 1 Episode 4
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00:00♪ I've been making plans that I'm holding up ♪
00:03Girls trip.
00:04♪ I've been tasting food I'll never give up on you ♪
00:06So cute.
00:06♪ Yeah, I did it, yeah, I really pulled it, babe ♪
00:10♪ I've never seen anything like you ♪
00:14So I'm really excited
00:15because I've been planning a girls trip for my birthday.
00:18So we're gonna stay in this really nice little penthouse
00:20and have a girls weekend away.
00:22Oh, I'm so excited.
00:25But since the baby blessing,
00:27there's a clear division, sinners versus saints,
00:30because Jen uninvited Jessie, Taylor, Layla, and Demi.
00:35I feel like we have this weird divide right now,
00:37like the sinners and the angels are at the baby blessing.
00:41So I'm really hoping that by the end of the trip,
00:44we will be one united group again.
00:46How's it gonna be with seeing Taylor?
00:48It's gonna be a boxing match.
00:50Ding, ding, ding, ding, who's gonna win?
00:52Well, she's pregnant, so you can't do that.
00:53Oh yeah, I forgot she's pregnant.
00:55I forgot, I'm gonna steal me.
00:59We're getting there first,
01:00so I think we get first dibs on her.
01:02Taylor, I feel like you're kind of quiet right now.
01:04I'm anxious, like very anxious.
01:06I'm gonna pop my anxiety meds when we get there.
01:09You already did.
01:10If there's any like confrontation,
01:13like you're stuck with that person for the weekend,
01:15like you can't just leave.
01:18It feels really good to be back with the girls.
01:20I have missed them.
01:21I've missed the friendship of mom talk
01:24and I am really grateful that they've like given me
01:26like the second chance.
01:27But I'm anxious about the girls' trip.
01:30I have some hard conversations I need to have with Whitney.
01:33I wanna know why she didn't come to my baby shower
01:35and why there's this elephant in the room.
01:38I wanna see where she's coming from,
01:39kind of understand why she feels these feelings towards me.
01:42Just know this, Taylor, if things get wild,
01:44I've got your back.
01:44Yeah. Oh, really?
01:46Yeah. That's sweet of you.
01:47I'm stoked with Whitney.
01:49First, the Fruity Cereal incident,
01:51then becoming the victim.
01:52Denise, I have a gift for you.
01:56So dumb.
01:57Tensions are high.
01:59I have a surprise coming later,
02:01so this weekend should be pretty interesting.
02:06♪ Come ye saints and come ye sinners ♪
02:10♪ Alleluia, alleluia ♪
02:14♪ Listen up, I'm the one you've been dreaming of ♪
02:20♪ I've got everything you could ever want ♪
02:23♪ Try me and you'll see, I'll bring you to your knees ♪
02:27♪ Baby, you're gonna believe me ♪
02:49We're here.
02:52Cute.
02:54Very cute. Girls' trip, girls' trip.
02:56Follow me, ladies, to the penthouse suite.
03:00Welcome home, ladies.
03:01Woo!
03:02This is the first thing.
03:05What?
03:06My eyes hurt.
03:07I was, like, not expecting that.
03:09Stacey.
03:10Wait, this is so cute.
03:12Oh, cute.
03:13Guys, it's so nice.
03:16I gotta pop one of these.
03:17Just moms and snacks.
03:20You and Brett ever fight?
03:21We're actually currently in a little bit of a disagreement
03:24just over the whole Fruity Pebbles thing.
03:26Oh, no. Oh, shoot.
03:28Yeah, and he wasn't, like, a prude about it.
03:29He was like, I get it.
03:30I want you to be excited.
03:31I want you to be able to talk about these things,
03:33but I don't wanna feel like I have to second guess
03:35what I'm about to do in the bedroom.
03:37So I was like, I get that.
03:38I do feel bad,
03:39because I feel like I, like, betrayed him in a way.
03:41It's, I take full accountability
03:44that I'm the one that opened the can of worms,
03:47but it does bother me the way that Whitney went about that.
03:50It just felt a little tacky to me.
03:52Yeah, yeah.
03:53I could tell you were so upset.
03:54Is Whitney level-headed enough
03:56to have that conversation with it?
03:57Like, how is that conversation gonna go?
03:59I don't know.
04:00I don't know.
04:01She's got it coming.
04:02I feel like, well, maybe she should stop doing things then.
04:04Yeah.
04:05Whitney's been one of my really good friends
04:07for two years now.
04:08She likes to think that she's self-aware,
04:11but she doesn't take accountability a lot of the time.
04:15Even I would've been like,
04:15hey, sorry I didn't send you a message
04:17about not coming to your shower.
04:18Like, I don't know.
04:19It just seems like anything.
04:20Yeah, the fact that she can go about life
04:22and go about those situations just, like, unbothered,
04:25that makes me nervous.
04:27I'm honestly surprised to hear
04:29that other people have issues with Whitney.
04:31I thought I was maybe the only one
04:33on the outside of it with her,
04:35but we work together.
04:37We do lots of events together.
04:38I would like to be a good friend to her,
04:40and I'm really hoping that we can hash this out.
04:43Hi.
04:44Hi, I'm so excited.
04:46Birthday girlie!
04:47Birthday girl!
04:48Birthday, birthday, birthday, birthday!
04:51Wait.
04:52I can't believe this has this many rooms.
04:54Shut the fuck up.
04:56Welcome to paradise.
04:58Oh, it's so cute.
05:00Wait, wait, shut up.
05:02This.
05:03This.
05:04This.
05:05This.
05:06This.
05:07This.
05:07This.
05:08This.
05:09This.
05:10This.
05:11This.
05:12I
05:21Got everyone matching sweat
05:28Whitney has come bearing gifts
05:30Matching sweat sets. It was so thoughtful of her and I'm not gonna lie
05:34It's kind of refreshing to see this side of Whitney. Why don't we go in the Jacuzzi?
05:42I
06:07Think my favorite thing about our group of women is that we all just like to have a good time
06:11And we just have so much fun together
06:14So is Zach with your kids? Mm-hmm. Okay. Yep. How's he feeling about being alone with them?
06:21Jordan's freaking out. He's like
06:23Are any of the nannies available? I'm like, you'll be fine. Stop it. Yes
06:27He's not really the stay-at-home dad right now. Like he's no I mean he is but I could never see him just being at home
06:3424-7 cuz I mean would Zach ever do that? Like no
06:37We definitely still have like our tough days we're like we just aren't on the same page in his head
06:43I think he thinks you know after 15 years, he'll be the provider
06:45So he's like my job's more important because like I'm gonna be providing for us for life
06:50But he can't get there without you doing it now exactly. So that's where we like
06:55No
06:56I'm currently the breadwinner in my relationship
06:59I'm providing for my kids my husband to go to medical school
07:04And I definitely think this is super hard for him coming from a traditional family and they have good intentions
07:10But it comes from a place sometimes of them telling you what you can and can't do 100%
07:14We're both strong women. And so I feel like we're like now like but then it causes an issue for sure
07:20the male
07:21Typically being the sole provider within our religion makes our situation a little bit tricky
07:28And so there's definitely a lot of tension in our relationship
07:32I used to be the person that would just say yes to everything and now I don't you're finding your voice
07:36Yes, and you know what? Like I'm like, I'm proud of that. I'm like sure you better be making a lot of money
07:42But then yeah, this better be worth it
07:44I thought it was bullshit when Jen made this decision to uninvite us from the baby blessing and I do think it was Zach
07:50Behind that decision because I know Jen she's very welcoming and I think that Zach really put his foot down in this situation
07:56But right now it she's opening up and I'm feeling really optimistic about our friendship moving forward by the time
08:02He's done with medical school. I'll probably be making more money than he'll ever
08:07Like my side gig actually provides for us no, like literally, what do you know like a little thing?
08:13I
08:24Don't know what I'm gonna wear. What are you guys wearing? Well, I brought those to go with this dress
08:29She's what?
08:31My
08:42Yeah, you know the reason why I wear garments is when you go through the temple or when you get married and you've committed to
08:49This person and you've committed to God wearing them is supposed to be like a constant reminder for you daily
08:55I
08:56Wait, you didn't pack any
09:00Ride them last minute. Yeah
09:03Cuz she knew that they're gonna get struck down a male chef coming tonight. She will be wearing a low
09:13It might be time to pop wait, did you bring underwear? No, I literally didn't bring any like you don't have it
09:18I don't have anything. Can you door-to-door?
09:25Oh
09:32Did you do this all yourself I made this
09:38Yes, absolutely, we have a meal Jen we want to the prayer sure you're having father so grateful for this day
09:44we're so grateful for this time that we could spend together and
09:48He's blessed. This food will give us strength and strengthen our bodies and that we may have an amazing
09:54Weekend and they say these things in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen
10:03Whitney are you drinking rose a it is
10:09All right, are we doing a little cheer and I may see
10:12To me. I'm happy because things look like they're going good so far. So I think we're all just hoping it stays that way
10:19Okay, raise a toast
10:21Macy
10:31Should we go around and do and I love you because oh, I love that. Yeah, let's do it
10:35I love Macy because I know I could tell her absolutely anything and she wouldn't judge me for it
10:42She just gets my sense of humor. I feel like we're very actually we're not similar. We're actually quite opposite
10:49But that's what makes it the best
10:51You are just genuinely yourself and I think you're amazing. You're blind
10:56You just say how it is to people's face and some people will call that bitch you
11:03But I actually really like that I love all of you thank you for being here
11:06I'm glad we could all come together and feast my favorite thing to do which is to eat
11:12Guys, I have something for you. I have a little activity. Oh, no. Yeah. Okay everyone. I brought a truth box
11:21This is full 100% honesty, okay
11:26I'm hoping we are able to share if there is existing tension that we're able to be honest and work through those things
11:33No, I'm gonna die. This sucks because this group of girls even if this is meant to be like light-hearted and good intentions
11:40It's not going to be
11:42This is so stupid like an anonymous truth box
11:45Really if you really want to tell someone the truth just go say it to their face Demi's truth box
11:51This is the worst idea I've ever heard in my entire life
11:54So in here I have cards that you're gonna write a question on and we don't know who said what right?
12:02Leave them anonymous
12:04So I'm gonna pass out the cards write it down on the card fold it in half and then just put it back in the box
12:10Okay
12:12I'm really not wanting to do this
12:16I
12:18Personally I'm excited for it. I
12:20Don't have much to release. Everyone just kind of knows my dirty laundry already, but I'm curious to hear other people's
12:32The whole intention of this truth box is to say the things that you want to say and honestly
12:37I want to clear the air with Whitney hash out what we need to hash out and move past this
12:43So who's getting the short straw who's going first?
12:46Saw my name Leila if you could sleep with one of your friends husbands, who would it be and why?
13:02Take Brett from him. He wouldn't even give me a chance
13:05I
13:08Would never but theoretically if you guys weren't together I would find him like a tree
13:16All right next Jen which girl in this room would you go lesbian for prove it exclamation mark exclamation mark
13:24Oh gosh
13:26I
13:34Do
13:41Whitney every time someone's reading a part of my heart. Why don't you like Taylor? Are you just jealous of her clout? Oh
13:51God oh
13:54My god
13:56Literally my mind I'm like shit shit shit shit shit
14:03I
14:05Don't think I'm jealous of Taylor's clout. I think I was jealous of
14:11Forgiveness that Taylor got during that time of her whole swinger drama that I feel like I didn't get wait forgiveness for what?
14:18Just like the RSV video
14:26Two weeks after I had given birth
14:29Connor took Liam to our pediatrician the doctor is testing his oxygen levels and the doctor's like these are
14:36Scarcely look like you need to take him to hospital. You need to give an emergency room right now
14:41So Connor rushes Liam to the emergency room the first couple of days were a bit scary
14:46but then he was getting better and
14:50So I'm thinking like let's you know do something fun, and I made a video
14:57In
15:00That video
15:01People felt that I was using my child's sickness for clout and for attention
15:06Everyone was so quick to forgive Taylor online or swinging and then I just feel like I still get
15:13Shredded to pieces almost every single video, but no
15:16I'm not jealous of Taylor's clout, and I feel like if I don't like her
15:21I feel like that's a completely different conversation for a different time. Yeah, I am
15:26Very confused cuz I'm like girl. You have no idea the amount of bullying
15:31threads and
15:33Comments that I have received on a daily basis up until today on how awful of a person I am
15:39So I think I got way more trash than she has
15:42by far
15:44It's so crazy to me that Whitney's not honest with Taylor about her feelings of jealousy
15:48Because she is very open about it when Taylor's not around and when asked straight to her face Whitney lies about it
15:53Come on, girl. The truth has got to come out sometime
15:56Taylor if you found out today that Dakota lied and actually slept with Jenna that night
16:00Would you leave him even though you were having his baby?
16:05100,000% would be dead to me
16:09Wait we need a little backstory, so we weren't like officially dating he had originally slept with a girl
16:15Lied about it ended up telling me the truth. He was like okay like I'm so sorry
16:18I was like it's good. We're not dating and then he went off with another girl
16:21Which is Jenna I asked him if like he slept with her and he said he only kissed her
16:25He's like sworn on his life because I said if that ever comes out that you guys did anything else
16:29I will leave you in like a snap of the fingers
16:31So it's like so if you did just come clear now
16:34Yeah
16:34And he's like sworn on his life that he didn't so even now even though that 100% wouldn't even be a question
16:40I'd leave in a heartbeat
16:43Okay next question to me did you ever say that Jen is too Mormon
16:48I
16:50Have never said she's too
16:53Mormon I have said that you bring it up in conversation a lot can't do that cuz did it or like can't wear that cuz
17:00my garments or did it just brought up a lot and
17:03To me that would stop you from hanging out with me. No not friends with me
17:08No, no, no, which is funny. You were giggling because you were the one that told her this obviously yeah
17:13Or to me actually told me something about you
17:16Yeah
17:17Yeah, something about being very Mormon and you guys both agreed. So agree. No, we did not
17:26Absolutely, not
17:27Well, we didn't know that we did. Yes. You know, we did not
17:33Ultimately, did I say that Jen is too Mormon?
17:36I did and I stand by that the question isn't what struck a nerve with me necessarily
17:43It was who I knew that information came from we were shocked
17:46We were like really we thought you were friends with Jen. I was friends with Jen
17:50But then when I brought it up, you said I totally understand where you're coming from. She can be that way
17:54Did I say that Macy? Did I say that? I don't remember talk to Jen you guys work it out
18:00Don't say I'm gonna tell the story then don't talk to me. No, we're right here
18:04Okay, when I said it's a little bit annoying how it's like look at me
18:08I'm so Mormon and you said I totally get where you're coming from. She can be that way
18:13This is so stupid, please
18:15Somebody come in this door and shoot me because I do not want to be here anymore
18:20But what's so confusing to me is that you would rate yourself a 9 out of 10 on the Mormon scale?
18:25Yeah, I'm too Mormon for you. It's not about that
18:27Just don't go around saying I'm hosting a BYU Mormon graduation. I'm wearing my garments for the 7,000 time
18:34I'm solid and who I am and I don't need to go around saying I am Mormon
18:38But I feel like often you will wear that as like a badge of honor and to me, it's kind of gaggy
18:43Okay
18:44What's frustrating is that you didn't confront me first and I feel like now you're like
18:48Notorious for doing this for a lot of people like calling Taylor white trash
18:56When Whitney told me that to me said I was too Mormon for her
19:01She also told me that to me called Taylor white trash
19:06Demi called Taylor white trash
19:11That's really hard you don't just say I wouldn't say that I don't like Taylor it seems like you keep doing this
19:16And it's just talking about wait. So when did you call me white trash? Let me explain where that was coming from
19:22I had just gotten done explaining to the girls the night of the party that we came over. We're like super drunk
19:27So I don't even know if you remember this
19:29But you were like coming over kissing Brett on the head kissing me on the head like I love you guys and like being touchy
19:35Granted I knew nothing that was going on
19:37you started being super like flirty with Brett and like laughing with him and leaning over the couch and I was like
19:42Sitting there and I was like no
19:451000% Brett was there I can confirm you were leaning over the couch and you were like
19:49Like laughing into him and you were like talking directly to him while I was sitting right there on the couch
19:54I was like watching you go from like husband to husband flirty, whatever
20:00I was like considered a swinger. So yeah, I'm in shock
20:02But I didn't know that at the time so from my perspective I'm thinking I got invited to a couple's party and this is trashy
20:09It's a complete shit show in the shitter. The sewer does shit everywhere shit shit shit
20:15but honestly, I
20:18Love it, but it still doesn't make it acceptable to call. I'm not saying that shush
20:23What I'm saying is that I just sure no
20:26No, I don't want to hear your judgment because you haven't even listened to what I'm saying and you were in the situation
20:31In that moment when I had just told everyone what had happened
20:35I feel like all those feelings came up and I just get kind of loose-lipped and I'm just like
20:38Honestly, yeah, a lot of what she does is trashy and like yeah, I'm not surprised that is trash
20:42So what else is trashy that I do then since a lot of it is well
20:45I mean the whole swinging thing was trashy. We got that down. What else? No, I know. That's what I'm saying
20:50You're saying a lot of what I do
20:51know a lot of what we have seen like your tick tocks and like the
20:55What tick tock just tick tocks that were just super flippant about the swinging
21:00Situation and just like that whole era of your life the white trash from to me hurts me sure
21:06I've done trashy things, but right now she knows it's something I'm trying to work through
21:10I've been working through and so for her to take that jab at me
21:13Oh, hell no, if you're gonna take a jab at me, then I'm gonna call out you for your stuff as well
21:17Do you think it's trashy to take off your dress in front of my boyfriend?
21:22What put your mic on what are you talking about?
21:24You made him extremely uncomfortable because you dropped your dress to get Mike. No one else is here, right?
21:29Yes, come up. Oh
21:31I'm sorry. I literally already had my bra out when he walked into you know, I you dropped it
21:37We I watched you what? Oh my gosh, what is happening right now. This is exactly what I was afraid of
21:42I would rather give birth without an epidural than sit through this any longer
21:46You had your dress full on and you didn't need to drop it to get Mike and you took it off and it you were
21:50Just in your bra, you know Dakota felt so uncomfortable
21:54The intention matters definitely in that moment
21:57We were in a rush situation to get the mics on that
22:00I don't think it's trashy because I really you don't think it's trashy pulling off your dress in front of my boyfriend
22:05No, especially because I did if I did that to Brett that's not trashy. No because I was really oh you think I went like
22:11this Dakota, oh
22:13I literally was turned like this and unbuttoned if you're worried about that. I'm not worried a problem
22:19No, Dakota felt uncomfortable. He's like her her bra her tits are right there. Like that's a problem
22:25So if I go up to Brian take off my dress in front of him and he's looking
22:29Because the accident look cuz it's like right there. That's that's a
22:32My problem the situation matters. I'm not the freaking swinger here
22:36I'm not the one that's going around trying to seduce other people's husbands. I'm not proud of any of these things
22:42I want to put my past behind me, but I don't know if these women are ever gonna be able to let go of my past
22:49I
22:55Don't you feel like this is a conversation you guys should have alone maybe
22:59No, we're in the middle of this like I don't think you need you guys need to hash this out. Obviously
23:04People are out for blood. They are out for me specifically
23:08None of you are standing here clean and I'm getting pretty frustrated because Whitney was the one telling all this information
23:15Whitney who is your least favorite in the group and why?
23:19God
23:20Honestly, I feel like right now. It's to me. I
23:24Just like anything that any truth I say you say no you agreed with me you said this I'm like
23:29But I didn't say that. I
23:32don't know I just
23:34It's to me right now
23:40Love that that was my idea and I feel like I just got obliterated
23:46The intention was there wasn't it
23:49I don't know about the truth box. I think a better name for this game would have been like
23:54murder suicide
23:58Doesn't make any sense to me like you're literally gaslighting everyone right now you do realize that right?
24:03I never said that I never ever said that yeah, I'm just kind of mad you didn't stick up for me me
24:08Yeah with what but they're saying that cuz you're in the car with me and you're like, I didn't hear I was like
24:13I'm trying to remember what's going on. I don't know but you would remember if I said that
24:19I said no we didn't when she first said that cuz I'm like, I know for a fact I didn't I know but when I
24:24Was like Macy like you're in the car with me. I
24:28Don't think that it's fair that Whitney is saying. I'm not supportive. All I do is support her
24:32We are only like three hours in to this trip and I'm already like I want to pack my bags and go home
24:38Like this isn't fun. Everyone's screaming at each other. It's just like no you did say that I'm like
24:42Can you just shut the fuck up? I just like well, I'll back you up if you have the conversation again. Thank you
24:49I want you to know that I am
24:52Not some phony person that like thinks ill of you that is talking behind your back
24:57It was a literal isolated moment
24:59And I feel like I had that resentment built up from you
25:03Regardless of like how I was feeling like I should have addressed that with you so that it didn't fester, you know
25:08Yeah, it was a low moment that came out in a petty way and I apologize for that. It was not okay in any way
25:13Hmm. Yeah, thank you for saying that. I just I
25:17Know we were supposed to have a room together, but I think I just kind of want to sleep alone
25:21I get it. You take this room. You need to be comfortable. I'll go to the bunk beds for real. You sure? Yes
25:33Okay, good night I
25:36Regret using the words that I did and the flippant way that I did and I do feel bad for that
25:41I experienced hurt and she did too
25:44but my intentions are pure and they are good and I'm really really hopeful that we'll be able to move forward and
25:50Be stronger in our friendship than we ever have everyone say their prayers, please
26:03Nice what sides with you really quick so I can use this girl in there. Let me move my whole bag then
26:08Take two seconds you guys I'm here ready. The party's started now. Whoo-hoo
26:15This is the beginning. Okay. Oh, we all are doing it. So like you do a move and then you walk
26:23Last night it was an absolute shit show. I really hope that we can bounce back from this because bitches it's my birthday
26:30Okay, ready?
26:38I
26:47Love this
26:57Thank you
27:00I'm gonna go upstairs. Yeah, go get ready. No, I need you to come with me. Oh, see you later
27:08I
27:10Will hi guys
27:13This morning is
27:16Already uncomfortable because of last night
27:19There is animosity in the air
27:21but I think that Whitney and I definitely need to sit down and have a
27:26Conversation and I get to the bottom of it. I'm tired of feeling this like uncomfort with group settings. Where should we go?
27:31They're all gonna listen. This is comfy. Are you stressed? Yeah, I'm scared. Why I don't know don't punch me
27:37I'm not gonna like come at you screaming. I can't come at you
27:40No, I won't think screaming just I don't know. So I know you have some feelings
27:46About me. I like that's no secret
27:48Obviously, you know like start with the baby showers when I truly like figure it out
27:52But I feel like you're really good at telling people how you know about them straight up
27:56So I'm just curious like why I haven't been told I
28:00mean honestly
28:00I didn't tell you cuz I didn't feel like I needed to
28:02Because I just I just felt like I was fine with where we were at
28:06I didn't feel like I wanted to explain it
28:08I just felt like that was an intimate thing for you and that was for close friends and family and I don't feel like I'm
28:13your close friend
28:15I'm confused on what I did. There's something that like sparked you to not like me
28:19I just was curious what it was right after the swinger drama came out
28:22I feel like I was like trying to cultivate a relationship with you
28:25Okay, I was trying to be there for you or try and include you because I know you were ostracized from that group
28:32I
28:34Don't know I just felt like it hasn't been reciprocated and I was like, well, I don't want to be friends with someone like that
28:40Then it's exhausting
28:42Probably girls down there that you're not besties with but you doesn't like I'm not besties with but I love it
28:47But I've definitely had more of a connection with them more than you but I feel like I've tried it's like in the beginning
28:53I was trying to have this connection with you and it was never reciprocated
28:56I want to be asked what happened with you and Connor like are you okay? Like I feel like I have
29:01Her issue with Taylor is her issue with herself
29:05Honestly, like I think it's just that she feels like she's comparing herself to Taylor and isn't living up to what the hype that Taylor's getting
29:12And so she's comparing and why is she getting the attention? Why is the public forgiving her quicker than me?
29:17I feel like I'm slowly putting the pieces together of who the real Whitney is and
29:23there are a few people in the group specifically Macy and
29:28Jen who haven't quite seen the puzzle pieces coming together and I think it's only a matter of time before
29:36The whole facade is showcased
29:38what she's saying like I
29:40wasn't frustrated that I
29:42Keep getting shit for my RSV video and like people forgive you super quick. You have a vulnerable sick child in your video
29:49I understand that back then like tick-tock was very different
29:52It was like you filmed everything and it was I just throw everything out and see what stakes but looking back. I'm like
29:57No, even that video when she posted it caught me off guard, but also that day
30:01She said that Liam was like doing a lot better
30:03so she was happy so she's trying to make like a happy video and like it just wasn't like what her intention was was
30:08It's not what was received. She's like no my intention was to get likes and clout
30:14She admitted that to me
30:16I've never heard her for that. Yeah after their ketamine ketamine session
30:20Whitney and I did ketamine about eight months ago
30:23Which is
30:24Therapy or physical trauma or emotional trauma and coming out of ketamine you are feeling things very deeply
30:32Truths are coming out about yourself that you maybe wouldn't otherwise admit and in that moment
30:37She admitted to me that video that she posted was for sympathy likes clout and for recognition and to gain her following
30:45I think I even might have a video of her admitting that you're like, I actually needed this for blackmail
30:50In that moment, I just I
30:53Didn't want to hear anyone else's. I just wanted everyone there to be for be there for me for just I'm actually glad I got
30:59Called out on that because now when I'm listening to people stuff and like I want to really but I also just want to kind
31:05Of like validate their feelings first and then maybe really you know
31:09but
31:10Why should be so nice?
31:13Yeah
31:14We need someone unkind to go break it up
31:17I'm getting
31:18Whitney tends to
31:20Dismiss your feelings or even gaslight you when you express that certain things happened and that you felt a certain way
31:28She seems to flip the script and somehow become the victim of her own chaos, and I'm sick of it. This is exhausting
31:35I'm cursed
31:42You push me a little bit too far Whitney, I'm gonna set the record straight at all costs
31:56Like I would love to be there for things you're excited about or you want like support there
32:00But I feel like when I told you my whole Connor thing I got zero
32:05Nothing wait zero from who everyone. I don't agree with that. I remember reaching out to you and being there for you
32:12Honestly, I don't even know why she's here. I don't even know why she presented herself in this conversation
32:17I'm just like what's your intentions? Let's talk about intention. What's your intention for being here in this conversation?
32:22I feel like Taylor doesn't care about me, and I don't want to be around someone like that, and it's as simple as that
32:28I
32:29Don't know how you expect me to work on this when I had no idea any of this and same with to me like but
32:33I don't expect you to work from this. That's what I'm saying all this time
32:35You just leave it as it is like now just leave it with the entire time
32:39I worked on it, but yeah, I didn't care enough to say anything
32:41I didn't want to say you did to everyone else
32:44You'll bring other people's stuff up to other people like the Jen situation
32:48Like you'll take something that I said that I by the way told you not to say anything and you said I swear on
32:53My life. I won't say it. You're with the one that did the truth box. I never ever brought that up
32:57I told Jen and she can do with it. Whatever she wants to do with that
33:01Yeah
33:02But why did you feel the need to tell Jen like I didn't go to Taylor being like Whitney feels this way
33:06She knew that I don't know how you did I wouldn't care
33:09Okay, but you're sitting here saying that you don't care to have the conversation that you don't care to remedy these things
33:14But then you're gonna like shit on Taylor behind her back
33:16And then you're gonna come at me for something. I said about how am I sitting on her everything?
33:19I've said about her. I just said to her face right now just now the last two years
33:23She hasn't heard a word of it. We're the ones here that bother you does that bother you?
33:27Yeah, I bother me that you didn't come to my shower. Just tell me like hey, I I don't want to be friends with you
33:31Like I thought we were friends
33:32So when you didn't show up, I was like, you know, it was a big deal
33:36Well, I don't regret anything. I'm glad I told Jen. I don't think that was wrong. I'd still do it
33:40Okay, well then you're a shitty friend
33:44And then I guess I'll be my friend, okay, I don't want to be your friend if that's the way you're gonna be
33:48That's not a friend. Did you not just call Taylor white trash? Why are you planning on dressing that to Taylor?
33:53No, what was that your place to say it wasn't and you don't care you don't give a shit
33:58I wish I could say I'm surprised by Whitney's behavior right now, but I'm absolutely not she needs to own it
34:04Apologize work on it and move forward. It's again one of these things where she wants to become the victim of her own behavior
34:11You're hurt and that's okay
34:13I've been there where you don't wanna give a fuck but you're hurt from like you're hurt but in life
34:17And you're gonna take it on everyone. I don't get that. I get it. I don't want to talk about she's hurt you
34:22I've never hurt Whitney. I have but I get like where and then runs away
34:27So I guess I'm right. I guess I'm right
34:31comical
34:38Where'd you go
34:40In there, you're gonna like this shit be able to take it then me. Okay, the gloves are off, baby
34:49War has just begun and you better sleep with one eye open
34:52I hate the shit of you can dish it but you can't take it. I that's the shit
34:56I do not see him. I'd be a woman you little twat. What's going on? I
35:01Couldn't hear everything. What's wrong?
35:06She thinks it's her place to tell everyone other people shit. Yeah, are you okay? When is that ever been a thing?
35:13And then as we're having a heated conversation gets up cries and leaves
35:18The way that Whitney talks and changes her person up persona in the moment of like I didn't know
35:27Be yourself, yeah, who are you right different to us and then to her?
35:31No, it's it's like you want to talk about fake and behind people's back. Yeah, when you scare me
35:42You're hurt and you need space and that's like totally valid. How does it feel Whitney?
35:48I literally want to go ask her. How does it feel and I try to talk to you about it upstairs?
35:52You're just like and I do it again and I do it again. You're a bitch
35:57You are
36:01It's better to walk away than to say things that you don't actually mean so you did the strong thing by walking away
36:08Let's make this a group affair guys, you know
36:12Jesus
36:13Continue telling the people everything about anyone to me. Can you just get out of there?
36:18No, I won't know cuz you're talking about me. So no, I won't to me. She needs some space right now
36:22No, I'm sure last night when she shit on me when I was literally getting attacked by everyone, but you know, where was she?
36:28What was she doing to just respect that? What the fuck are you talking about? Jen? Shut up guys
36:33We're both going at each other. So why are you being so rude now? You're being a bitch. No, I'm not
36:39I'm not
36:40Two people right here sitting aside beside Whitney when last night was like the probably the most heightened
36:47Experience we've experienced in this whole journey and no one said shit
36:51Except for Taylor who we had the blow-up then we have a freaking minion fest over here
36:56I mean, I'm bad chihuahua fest
36:59Of two little puppies
37:02Back off. She's unstable
37:04You raising your voice isn't helping the situation. I mean, I'm not sitting here screaming. I'm sitting here saying
37:11I'm frustrated. I'm confused at where Whitney stands and I thought we were friends and that's not what a friend would do
37:17I feel like you don't even care about mom talk outside of posting just cuz I told Jen what you said
37:22You go around I didn't I'm telling everyone's everything. I didn't say the white. Okay. Does anyone else want to try me?
37:27How Whitney will hear information and she gets close to certain people and we've kind of felt like it's a rotating door
37:34And it kind of feels like there's different people that get to be close to Whitney and when she says stuff about Taylor
37:40It's really mean behind Taylor's back and then when it's face-to-face, she's like, oh, yeah
37:43I get it and I just don't think it's fair that you can act that way and it's okay
37:47When it's not okay for to me to do like that just doesn't sense to me
37:51I feel like Whitney gets close to you until she gets what she wants and then she just moves on
37:54That's just my opinion and that's why I just wanted to sit you down so you can express all of it
37:58So I know with you like I know you're saying you're not caring but I find that hard to believe
38:03I think you want to I think I just hurt you really bad
38:05Maybe I can't be your best friend right now, but I could still here and there be a friend to you
38:09Yeah, I don't even know what's right and what's wrong anymore. I thought that I was doing the right thing telling Jen
38:17This is Demi's feelings towards you
38:19It's a bit two-faced because then she's acting like your friend surface level, but then going behind your back. I don't know
38:24Oh, I don't know. It's confusing. I don't know what was right and I don't know what was wrong
38:29Anything else from anyone this is your time
38:33Let it out. This is your time. I have something to say. Where are we supposed to go to dinner at 6? Oh, she
38:40Yeah, we have to go. Hey
38:42Interesting going to a happy little dinner together
38:55You okay
38:59Okay, that's okay
39:02It's okay to feel that way
39:04I think Taylor was right low and she said that like you act like you don't care what you do. I know I
39:09Know you don't want to care but that's what makes you beautiful and amazing that you do care
39:14So what I thought was gonna be an empowering weekend is now all in shambles
39:20I don't like
39:21Confrontation was in my friend group and at this point mom talk was already hanging by a thread before this trip and now we're having
39:27This happen. It's like don't want to be anyone's friend. Why?
39:33Like what then I get close to people and then once I get what I want out of them didn't move on
39:38I'm like what the actual fuck what needs my best friend, but I do think Whitney has an interesting way of handling things
39:45I definitely wouldn't have handled things the way she has and I think she kind of just like leaves when things get hard instead of
39:51Trying to really figure them out and at the same time
39:54I do think it's one of those things where we have to do some more work to figure out what's going on and not
39:58Just run away from it
40:00Happy birthday
40:02You
40:23Did we bring Macy's presents probably shut up
40:26You're like, I'm very excited bring one
40:29Yeah, I think the fam don't slip anybody Taylor like the belly of people
40:34Especially in heels Jen knows what she's doing. It's the worst
40:44Okay birthday girl you have to wear this the whole dinner, okay
40:50Beautiful
40:53I
40:59Honestly exhausted at this point like I'm so pregnant
41:02I feel bad for Macy because her birthday is being ruined
41:07I think there are times where you should just like kind of suck it up for other people
41:12So I think in this situation for Macy's dinner
41:14Everyone just shutting up and let's enjoy the night for Macy rub some dirt on it and we can cry when we get home
41:22Oh you are
41:25Appetizer
41:27Really good a vibe really but I didn't want to share with the table. I wanted it to be my meal
41:32Would you want to take two?
41:35It's a bit lonely when you feel like
41:38All of the friends that I thought I had I guess they're not really my friends
41:43I'm looking at Demi and I'm just like
41:45You're just you look like you're on fucking cloud nine right now
41:52Have to pee real fast
41:57Everyone is acting like everything's fine. It's sad
42:06I'm stronger than that. I can't even sit there
42:09No, I'll be fine. I'm just gonna pretend like I'm going to the bathroom. Okay, I think I just need to cry first
42:14I know. Okay, go ahead. I'm gonna cry and then I'll be okay. Yeah, okay. Do you need anything? No, I'm okay
42:23Did you talk at all on the way here? Yeah, she's like I'm
42:27What you say? Yes
42:30Bad too, but like things that she said and stuff too. Yeah, I get it. Trust me literally me last night
42:36I feel like she kind of needs to feel the sting of what her
42:40Actions can bring to people so that she understands what that feels like because it doesn't feel good
42:45Like that's below the belt stuff. So it's like Whitney. That's exactly what we're talking about. It doesn't feel good. Does it feel good?
42:51Okay, I hope you don't do that moving forward
42:55You want to do it and I'll hold it okay, I can do it I can do it
43:02Happy birthday
43:12I know what I'm fucking in the wrong. I was fucking not wrong
43:22If
43:25This is what mom talk has turned into I don't want to do this anymore. I don't even know if these friendships are worth fighting for
43:39My husband is going to kill me
43:43This is my lucky poker sweatshirt, he said you're playing poker
43:46I don't know that being in Sin City is the best thing for Zach
43:54Like I haven't done anything wrong
43:57No, could you brainwashed missing person alert? He's out of control
44:01This is why the sisterhood of mom talk was created in the first place. She's MIA. She's not answering her phone
44:07I mean, maybe I watched too much true crime
44:12What's all the hot gossip she unfollowed all of us
44:16You still consider them friends?
44:18Should I invite Whitney?
44:21Awkward mom talks not what it was and I don't know if it ever will be again. And why are you here?
44:27The one time I can support you're not there for me
44:30This is an act and I'm over it. This is exhausting
44:36Yeah, should I say something to her you're trying to stir the pot between you and Terry I don't like him
44:43Everyone's getting married before their brains even develop. I did not invite him. This is for women
44:52Taylor yes. Yeah, my gosh. Are you miserable? Yeah, it's not gonna get better. He's not gonna change you're gonna lose
44:59Everything I don't care
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