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The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 2 Episode 5

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00:00I
00:09Think Jen is fake
00:15Okay, well this escalated quickly with the smiley just say, you know, also is nice
00:21Having this confession come out. It's definitely caught me off guard. This isn't supposed to be malicious at all. Okay, this is your fault
00:27I was like, I didn't do that. Okay, I can't say who did it did not do it
00:31That definitely kind of put a damper on the mood
00:36That's a lot
00:37Give yourself some grace
00:39Yeah, I
00:41Don't know who wrote the card that Jen was fake if it wasn't to me or Jesse
00:46It's because they have this weird beef then I would say they brainwashed someone else to feel the same way about Jen
00:52Okay, well, we're proud of you
00:55Don't forget Friday
00:57Baby shower celebrate Billy. There'll be bunnies there
01:02bunnies, but you can hold
01:19No, Jen, you're not
01:22You're not so much on your plate
01:23I also think that for you if any situation where anybody feels like you're being fake just like bring it up rather than just like
01:30Yeah, call your fake. No, you've been going through so much
01:37I'm just like, okay
01:39I'm here to be a part of mom talk and to be empowered and gain support
01:45But there's none of that. I
01:48just wanted to get to the bottom of
01:50Why are these women doing this to me and like what are your intentions behind our friendship?
01:56And if you do have an issue with me, like let's talk about it. I said, I think the comment was either from me
02:02Kayla or
02:20Everything
02:50I
03:04So nice to meet both of you I think you've been talking with Miriam about your baby shower, right? Yes
03:09I'm having a baby shower after baby's born because we didn't know the gender yet
03:13And now I do I invited everyone from mom talk because I'm definitely still making efforts to feel like I've been
03:20Accepted back into this group, especially before the girls trip and I've been getting really close with Jen and Miranda because I
03:26Need some friends
03:29Are you a plant person I am but I'm not because I'll start it and then I'll forget about it
03:33I want to though I got to get to know some that they're supposed to die
03:37What do they call it pretty else or whatever pretty else?
03:43Yeah, it's like supposed to die then it comes back I want that that's what's happening my life right now I killed him
03:50Have you talked to Jen and I was so worried about her like nobody wants to hear that
03:54Yeah, she called me. Does she want to have a conversation or no?
03:57She wants to think on it for a while before she decides. Mm-hmm. If and when she's gonna bring it up
04:02Well, I guess we'll have to wait and find out. Yeah
04:05I'm curious who all shows up at the shower because I invited everyone but I would be shocked if everybody showed up
04:12I'm gonna guess who I think will be there. Maybe guess who wouldn't be there. Hopefully that number is smaller than
04:17That would be there. Okay. Okay. I'll tell you who I don't think will be there. Okay, cool
04:21I don't think to me Michaela Jesse and Jesse. Yeah, we'll be there
04:26That seems about right Whitney wants to move forward with these girls
04:30And I do think that it is possible with some of them but in order to move forward
04:35I think you need to prove yourself that you really are
04:38Sorry through your actions and for me, I'm hoping this girls trip
04:42It can be a great opportunity for me to get to know all of the girls and vice versa and see where things go
04:48I'm like trying to show my support towards Macy more and I thought it'd be fun if
04:54All of us got together and like did something for her at the pickleball event funny shirts or painted our bodies
05:00Yeah, oh, I don't know what but painted our bodies
05:06Wearing our bikinis and it says
05:09I'm putting together this new group chat without Macy because I want to plan something very special for her at this pickleball event
05:16Let's hope that this redeems me a little bit. Let's make the chat. I'm gonna make it right now
05:24Okay, so I said I thought it'd be fun to do something for Macy at the pickleball tournament maybe shirts body paint
05:30Haha, I think that's good. I'm scared
05:38Text you should leave it
05:50Whitney just sent a text. I thought it'd be fun to do something for Macy at the pickleball tournament
05:55I bet you do maybe shirts body paint. Haha. I don't think I'm gonna reply to her
05:59I'm definitely not responding to this message. Hell no
06:02I feel like she definitely like hit her head and forgot what she did last year. I'm gonna leave that one on red
06:08You have to respond. Nobody's responding. You have to say something
06:16It's just me and you
06:19Goodbye
06:29Since therapy Dakota is
06:32Putting in an effort and really trying to show the partner that he says he is and I'm communicating with him better
06:37But I need to now focus on healing and that is a journey in itself. It's very complex
06:50Huh, I'm like baby cakes, oh, I love your Nana, huh? I think he looks like Dakota
06:59My family and I don't always see eye to eye
07:02Like at the barbecue for example, he lied. Yes
07:05That is so wrong, but give him some grace
07:08You guys had seen each other three times and then he came over and had sex with you. What does that say about you?
07:16But at the same time they've helped me a lot with ever and my other kids during this turmoil with Dakota
07:21So I am so grateful for them
07:24Where are you in Dakota right now?
07:26And when we made our tick tocks last night and then all my friends like Taylor Taylor
07:32What the heck is going on
07:35Oh
07:43It's just a tick tock it's really not that deep like I know but it's like but you're I feel like those kind of tick tocks
07:48It's like oh, they're back together. It never said that no, but it said he's trying my floors
07:57Well, I don't know we're working through things yeah, but like we're not living together we're not going on dates
08:03We're not seeing each other that often besides when he visits his son. So are you guys having sex?
08:07Cuz that's gonna confuse him
08:09Yes, but it doesn't change anything. I told them that why are you having sex with them then? I
08:16Have been hooking up with Dakota still and it's just hard to completely cut that off
08:20It's almost like a trauma response. Like yes, I'm angry, but I still like want that
08:25It's like a it's a thing. It's just passion
08:28When I'm being intimate with him, I feel nothing
08:31I literally turn it off like I don't know how I do it
08:34Like he calls me the dude in the relationship because after he's like, can we cuddle and I'm like, no
08:39I don't want to cuddle like if anything you can leave
08:42I like almost turned off like I'm protecting myself because I know if I do feel it will hurt really bad
08:49I feel like you shouldn't be doing that
08:51Even he's shaking his head now. Look at him. He said no mom. Don't do it
08:58I'm a little annoyed that my family is being a little judgmental. I'm trying to tell me like what to do
09:03It's my choice at the end of the day. It's not really their place to say or tell me what to do
09:07I think you guys just need Jesus in your life. I think Taylor just needs to not have sex with Dakota
09:15It's like giving him
09:17The wrong vibe like vibe. It's like do you want to be with me or you don't want to be with me?
09:21Like are you using me for sex? You just feel lonely like and you want that like, can I go use your freaking?
09:27vibrator on a person
09:30Honestly, sometimes vibrators feel better than the guy. Anyways true. What?
09:35My gosh, I don't want to even hear this. Have you never used one? No, we're not talking about
09:41literally found a book
09:46Have you tried them all yes
09:50My gosh, I just don't think that you should keep having sex with him. I don't know feelings anymore. I don't feel nothing
09:57That is not true because I think you've come a long way and you're over here
10:01You're backtracking replace yourself with Indy knowing in your daughter came to you and is telling you all the stuff
10:06What would you tell your daughter? I?
10:10Would just explain to her I've been in your shoes and actually will make you feel
10:15Because I assume it makes it's gonna end up being 10 times to do right? So I'll be like
10:19So why aren't you taking your own advice? I?
10:22Think you guys shouldn't be having sex if you're working on it
10:25I feel like you guys both have your own issues. I agree and do it for yourself
10:30Do it for him. My sister does have a point
10:33This is doing nothing progressive for me and I feel like I have to cut that off or you're just gonna continue the unhealthy cycle
10:55Yeah
11:01Hi, how are you?
11:03You know, I'm trying to be better just like saying things head-on rather than bottling it up. I
11:09saw
11:10the video
11:12Michaela made oh man, I mean shit. I'm putting food on that table for that girl. That's for sure
11:19She's making all of these hurtful videos making fun of my traumas
11:23Like Connor and I going through a hard time in our relationship
11:26All of this harassing and bullying whatever you want to call it whether it's about me or about our relationship
11:33If you really feel that way, how about you just say it to my face? I get it from Jesse to me and Michaela
11:39I get it, but then you're in it too. And then I'm like, okay, we're creating this narrative online where I'm not friends with Macy
11:47Because why else would she be in these videos?
11:52I genuinely don't know what they're gonna say in the caption. I just like I was like, oh, we're getting this trend. Okay
11:57I think that's why I didn't think that it was about you
12:02Regardless of Macy saying that she wasn't aware of what Michaela was going to say
12:08At what point are you gonna?
12:10Tune in to that's what she's continually doing if you've already seen the first post. Why are you in the second one?
12:15I genuinely feel like I need to have a conversation just one-on-one with Michaela before we even go on this girl's trip
12:21Okay. Well, maybe maybe I'll talk to her and see like what she thinks and see if she's open to
12:27Chatting with you in person. I mean I can help like facilitate it. Hopefully everyone could come and have a little
12:33I was gonna say kumbaya. I really want to talk to Michaela before the girls trip because I'm not fully understanding
12:40Why you still have such harsh feelings towards me and even more than that
12:44Mom talk is driven by love and unity and that's clearly not what Michaela is doing. She's doing the exact opposite
12:51Actually, love you. Love you, too. I'll talk to you later. Okay. Bye
13:13Just keep shining flowers
13:17I
13:20Think
13:21To me and I are gonna meet up to do Pilates today. It's one of our favorite workouts
13:25We don't do it as much as we should but we have the girls trip in a few days
13:28So we gotta look good and Pilates is a good workout. Keep up Jesse
13:33Did you only get two hours of sleep or what?
13:35Look, I'm already shaking. We're gonna be jiggling walking out of here. I feel like I'm giving birth
13:41Your legs are goals the one time a year I do it
13:44Yeah, we're all wondering how she has those legs because this is her first time in the gym for like I think in three years
13:50I truly work out maybe one to two days a year
13:53I was not lying. So it must be good genetics, but I feel like I you know, keep pretty active in the bedroom
13:59So maybe Jordan's the reason for these legs. You think you're gonna go to Whitney's baby shower?
14:03No. Yeah, I didn't think you would I was just not are you know
14:08But I feel like she probably expects us all to go cuz at Macy's dinner
14:12She was like remember Friday like kind of delusional like there's gonna be buddies. I'm like that doesn't change anything
14:17Yeah, Whitney dropped her baby shower announcement and that was the last thing I was expecting
14:22I think it's a little strange because she knows that probably half the group isn't going to come
14:27I think we want to host like a hibachi dinner that night because Jordan's friend has this hibachi grill
14:31Yeah, he brings it out and he does the whole show for you and he has like heat lamps
14:35You do it in the front yard, but it's like cozy. Yeah, I was thinking we should do that for the people not going
14:39Yeah, like we might as well do something fun that night
14:41It's gonna be so interesting to see how the trip's gonna go
14:43Like I'm excited to go to Arizona and get out of the cold
14:46But we saw how Park City in Vegas went and I'm just like, please can we just have like a calm chill?
14:52Girls trip. I am feeling very apprehensive about this girl's trip. I am NOT on the best terms with Whitney still
14:59She has tried to reach out and mend things. I don't fully trust her and I'm not ready to
15:05Hear what she has to say between that and Jen and the lies and not being able to trust her
15:11It's just like I don't want to be on a girl's trip with these people. Okay, Macy's dinner
15:17Do you know who wrote the Jen is fake thing? No, I have no clue
15:21Maybe this needs to be what comes out for her to be like let's face these issues and like not be fake to each other
15:26Anymore, I don't even know how to act around Jen right now. Like I feel awkward
15:29I know I'm feeling so weird about Jen Zach called me. What? Yeah, like right before this
15:36What did he say? We talked for like 45 minutes, right?
15:39So he said that he talked to Jordan about the whole chip and Dale situation. Did you tell him we gave Jenna heads up?
15:45Yeah, I said I thought that by giving Jen's at Jenna heads up and I was like, I know you're not Jen
15:49But I thought that you guys would be in communication enough
15:52Zach's just really confused and it's another situation with Jen. We're like, he's not being told the full truth
15:57He's the one who told us we're gonna go together for exposure therapy. Yeah, I get where he's coming from
16:02and this is what shocks me is that
16:05He fully was like like her lying about the Ben Affleck thing. Like why would she make that up? Okay, that's where for me
16:11I'm like, this isn't a miscommunication. This isn't you hating confrontation. That is literally a pathological liar at this point
16:17I think Jen needs to be held accountable for all of the lies that are coming out the last time we talked to her
16:22We didn't know everything. So I think we were a little soft on her
16:25But since that conversation we're finding out more lies that have been told
16:29I'm not interested in having a friend who lies about the weirdest things because what are you gonna lie about about me?
16:35That's just not what mom talks about
16:38What do we do? I have to do her hair tomorrow. Oh
16:41My how like how do I not talk to her about all of this while I'm doing it?
16:44But then how awkward that I'm like sitting there for three hours doing her hair and like calling her out for being a liar
16:48How should I bring it up? Should I just be like so I've kind of heard there's been some tension with Chippendales
16:53Yeah, we're really confused all of us are feeling very frustrated with you
16:58I just feel so bad cuz like last year when this all went down I was like, no
17:01I'm a girl's girl like you do not deserve to be treated this way
17:04I've been treated this way and I don't want it to feel like I'm flipping on her
17:07But this has nothing to do with gender now, like it's literally just the actions. We're seeing exactly what you have to be that way
17:12I'm sorry, we can't just blindly be like
17:15Like empowering women is being like hey step into your freaking power. Yeah, and like tell the truth
17:23I
17:32Are you feeling I know the last couple of days and weeks have just been
17:36Pretty much since we've moved back you either want to chop my head off or you're crying and you want to order cookies
17:43Zack and I were really struggling after the Chippendales prank
17:47But we had a really good talk and
17:50We just want to block out all the noise and be a united front
17:54It's definitely ironic that I chose mom talk over Zack and then mom talk screwed me over very ironic
18:00Sure. I'm sorry, sweetie. The thing is like you have me you have your kids. Do you even want to be part of mom talk?
18:07I think being a part of mom talk is a huge responsibility for each of us because
18:12As a group we're trying to influence the world and I feel like if no one's but what are you guys trying to influence?
18:19What are you trying to show?
18:21You guys all just shit on each other
18:24It's like a lot of the girls are just like followers and like whatever is convenient like it was popular to protect Jen now
18:30It's popular to say Jen's fake
18:33It's just hard because like I really in this next chapter of our life and like doing everything I can to support you and then
18:39You go hang out with these girls and you come home and you cry pretty much every time
18:43And you're just like this is what this person said about me. I'm like friends don't say that about each other
18:47like that's not a real thing, but it's like you're almost trapped because this is like your business and like
18:52It's not even just that it's just like I truly feel like mom talk has so much potential
18:58Well, I mean, obviously it's reached millions of people. I'm not denying that. I'm just saying how like you as a pregnant woman. That's
19:05Growing a baby like it's not baby. You couldn't sleep last night
19:10You literally had a panic attack, yeah
19:14Anyways, well, what do you want to do moving forward?
19:17As of right now, I think it's really important for me to rest and think of the baby that I'm carrying
19:22I do think that this is causing me a lot of stress my relationship with the girls
19:26It's falling apart
19:27And I think it's because Jesse and Demi are trying to get the whole group against me
19:32Part of me is wanting to people put it so badly and act like everything's okay
19:36And I can't like the uncomfortable feeling right now is the feeling that I need to have
19:41Even though it sucks for so long. I've been a pushover and for so long. I've had so many people walk all over me
19:49I don't want to play the victim mentality anymore and run away from my issues. I'm not doing that
19:53I'm just fed up at this point and I want someone to finally hear me
19:58I need to confirm these issues and if not, it's actually worse for me
20:06I
20:27Was supposed to do Jen's hair, but she reached out and said she wanted to talk in person first
20:31So we're just gonna meet up and hash this out outside of the hair salon
20:35I was super nervous about having to sit with her for hours doing her hair while potentially arguing and fighting
20:40It would have been so uncomfortable. I
20:45Just don't know what their intentions are behind all this
20:48I've asked her to stop talking shit about my husband and me
20:52I'm done trying to keep the peace like they poked the bear and the claws are coming out like I'm done
20:57You haven't seen the other side of me. You don't realize I was raising the hood like watch out. All right
21:02Catch me outside. How about that? Okay, you're born in Provo, Utah. Yes. I was born in Provo, but raised in the hood. So a
21:12I wish to me was here as well. I feel like she's equally
21:18Responsible for all of the stuff that has happened
21:20But I decided to meet with just Jessie first because I feel like when they're together, they just team up
21:26I just want to squash everything and ask why are you doing this to me? Hi
21:32Oh my gosh
21:33Not good to be honest. Okay, it's fine. What's going on? Oh
21:37my gosh
21:39I'm gonna be this is gonna be a really
21:42hard conversation
21:46First off I just want to take accountability
21:49I know I suck at confrontation and I know that can come off as two-faced which I totally get that
21:54But first off I generally want to ask you
21:57when have I
22:00Intentionally ever tried to hurt you in our friendship
22:03What are you talking about? You continue to like bash me and my things I want to talk about. Yes, honestly, like
22:11It makes me question your character. Okay, because I'm character. Yeah, I think we definitely need to talk about cuz you're here
22:19Okay. Well what you think I'm lying about I would love to confront you about and that's why I came here
22:24Okay, let's start with Chippendales. Okay did to me ask me for consent
22:28For Brett to dress up as a Chippendales dancer. He said for a performance. Yes, she did
22:34She never mentioned flying down a maelstrom
22:37She never mentioned there are things that I want to keep as a surprise and you said totally go for it
22:43That would be so fun
22:44I'm totally good with it and the fact that you said me and Zach are gonna go to Chippendales ourselves
22:48Yeah, means you're okay with the situation Jen. No the difference
22:52How was it any different me was light-hearted what actually happened was disrespectful the Chippendales thing was all in good fun
22:57And considering what Jen had shared with us about Zach's progress and therapy
23:01We thought this was all gonna be safe territory. Not something that would upset him
23:06We kind of thought it was gonna be closure for the whole Chippendales thing together. What would be light-hearted in that?
23:12Literally grinding on me. It was that was never and if you go to Chippendales, they put your hands on their ass
23:18It's way worse at the real Chippendales. The difference is but her intention different her intention to Chippendales
23:24Thank you
23:28I
23:29Just wish you would have confronted me saying, okay, you don't know these big surprises and I know you're in a rocky place in
23:35Your relationship. Yeah, is this? Okay?
23:36I wish you had asked me because I would have never given you guys consent for
23:41Jordan and this random male stripper to be grinding a lot of strippers and performers the difference
23:47Clearly, there's a lot of lies going on
23:49And those are the things that make me judge you because if you guys lie about being related to a celebrity why oh
23:55You know, that's gonna come out so it's very weird, okay and lie about something like that it makes me find your character
24:02Your husband said Jen made up this lie and I have been telling her to stop. We are not related to the Afflecks
24:07I have told her to stop lying about on podcast all that's been told to me literally since the day
24:13Communication problem because he said I don't know where Jen came up with this. I've been telling her to stop talking about it
24:17It's a lie
24:18Jesse brings up the Ben Affleck situation again. I was telling everyone what I'd been told the past six years, but also
24:26What does this have to do with anything at this point? It feels like they're
24:32Harping on anything to put me down when it feels like straight-up bullying you
24:37Literally gaslight everyone saying that I had consent over everything that happened, which is no true. That's what you guys do you sure?
24:44No, yeah, we are very honest if anything me and Amir honest to a fault
24:48We told everyone Jen and Zach said they were going to go to Chippendales that they wanted exposure therapy
24:53I think that Jen thought thought it was funny husband
24:57Jen, he didn't run his dick on you. Yeah
25:01Such a prude. Okay. Okay. What's my past? Yeah, I know
25:05Give it to me if you're asking to swing with us. It's a no and I'm done with this conversation
25:10Oh
25:13My god
25:31Excited for a good old sunshine, but I've never heard of this place
25:36sunshine buns
25:38So there's no better time to tell you then I guess right now since we're five minutes away Oh Lord
25:46So Whitney called me
25:48And I guess she's been wanting to talk to you and she's like, why don't we just meet there or something?
25:54We're at the sunshine fun. No, okay, you take me home
25:59Whitney and I were like best friends for almost two years and I felt like people didn't get a lot of that context of why
26:05Our friendship fell out it really all started in Park City. I felt like I was being left out of the friend group
26:11I was going through a lot in my chronic illness
26:13I had a couple conversations with her about it and it was almost like she gaslit me and flipped it on me and
26:19Made it seem like oh, well, you're doing this to yourself or you're going through this
26:22She involved me with no explanation and then showed up to my birthday party just to talk to Macy
26:28I think she wants to talk because the girl ships coming up and she thinks that you
26:32Like she's obsessed with herself
26:37Lately I feel like mom talk is turning on each other left and right
26:40It's really sad to see because I feel like we're supposed to be women supporting each other
26:43We're taught in the church to love one another to be Christlike and to be forgiving
26:48But it doesn't feel like that's happening. The girls trip is coming up and I really just want no hostility
26:53So I figured this is kind of my shot just trying to get Whitney and Michaela together. See if they can work it out
26:58However, I just don't know if that's gonna happen. It's gonna be really sunshiny at sunshine buns
27:03I
27:10Don't know I don't have anything to say to her you can make it two minutes and I make it less than two minutes
27:17Okay, well I'll
27:18Call you you call me. I'll just call you and put you on me
27:22Well, no, you're gonna come in there with me still because you're gonna call me
27:25I'll call you and put you on mute and
27:27Then or no, you have to put on mute cuz then I can't hear you
27:30Yes, and you know our safe word, what's the safe word sisterhood if I say sisterhood
27:36Then you oughta I don't know cuz say you have to go pick up your kids from school or something
27:40Since I'm being held against my will to this conversation. I had to make a safe word
27:46I just want to hear what she has to say to me and then I'm ready to go sisterhood
27:51You guys can talk. I'll just chill in the car. Bye. Sorry. Hold on. I gotta make sure Jason's picking up my kids
27:57Okay
28:01Can we
28:03Dive more into what's been bothering you about me? Yeah, I mean, I honestly don't care to really say much more
28:10I wanted to know why you wanted to have this conversation
28:16Why can't I hear anything I feel like for me I was like, I don't really care to put energy into it. So
28:22If you feel like something's bothering you I'd love to know she I think Makayla muted herself I
28:32Care about you and I want to know
28:34What we can do to move past this. I don't care to have the friendship. I
28:39Didn't want to have this conversation. Why did you want to have the conversation because I want to move past this Makayla pass it
28:44If
28:47You want to
28:49The internet somebody's making blame don't listen videos about me then don't look at myself. I don't follow you
28:55It's on my for you page pops up. Well, not everything's about you. You're the one making it about me
29:01You're so delusional and you think that everyone's always coming for you
29:04Whitney refuses to acknowledge anything that makes her look bad or makes her look like the villain
29:09You're very explicit about how you feel about me online
29:12If I want to make videos about you I can do that because you're not my friend
29:16You're exactly right. Okay. Okay, so you're not my friend, but you can blatantly harass me on the internet
29:21That's okay harassing you on what are you doing? I'm what is it that you're doing?
29:26It's like I go through conversations with her where it's like ten different personalities that I'm seeing
29:30She has like her victim voice where she goes very soft
29:33And then she goes psycho off the rails where she's yelling and banging on things and from this conversation
29:38The only thing I'm taking is that Whitney was upset by videos that I posted on social media
29:44Okay, I will be cordial to you in person when we're at group or work events if it's a friendship thing
29:49So I don't care about the person but will harass her online. No one's harassing you again
29:53Did you just hear what I said? No one's harassing you on the internet
29:56I feel like if you feel like that then come to me and tell me that's what I'm doing right now
30:00You call Macy every single time and you put her in the middle yet again. I asked her why she was in the video
30:05So in Ephesians 4 32 it says
30:09Be kind to one another tender-hearted
30:11Forgiving each other just as God and Christ also has forgiven you. That's clearly not what's happening right now
30:19At this point it's kind of like a sisterhood that we've created that you removed yourself from
30:27Moving forward with like mom talk and that sisterhood there. I
30:32I
30:34Don't know just puts a tricky dynamic on like our sisterhood
30:40I'm three sisterhoods deep. Why is she not coming in?
30:46I'm like sisterhood this sisterhood that and she's still not coming in
30:54Where do you want to leave things off moving forward? It's just being cordial in group situations. That's it
31:01Okay, I just don't understand and I hate that I don't understand but I don't
31:07It just sucks
31:09We were best friends me Macy Micaela. It just feels helpless. Like there's nothing I can do to break down this wall
31:16If you have harsh feelings towards me Micaela
31:20like whatever you go ahead and deal with that, but can we please just be civil and
31:25Respect each other when we go on this girl's trip. I couldn't hear one word. It was like goes on mute. I
31:31Muted. Yes, you ding dong. You muted me. I'm the one who's supposed to meet you
31:35You know how many fucking times I was saying sisterhood?
31:37It was comical like I was like, I feel like it I almost started laughing. I was like, this is my sisterhood that I chose
31:50I was like you're calling Macy about it
31:52She's like Macy was in the video and I said Macy can do whatever the hell she wants how many times I have to say
31:56It's not about you and as far as like the girls trip, I'll just go and continue to ignore her
32:02No one's like we don't owe you anything. We have a whole group of people going through their own shit
32:08Yeah, I get it
32:12I'm glad you enjoyed yourself
32:22I
32:39Dakota is coming over so we can discuss our relationship and where it goes from here
32:46As hard as it is my mom and sister they do have a point
32:50I need to take a step back because everything's so clouded when we're like sleeping together
32:54Like I think this is just a cycle that I would like to break. It's quite a night, huh? Good night, Amber. I
33:01Don't think Dakota would ever be on board of like a full-on break. I think he sees endgame
33:07So I'm the one who has to initiate this because I don't think he's wanting to oh
33:13My gosh
33:15What nothing I'm just tired, yeah same
33:19And I actually slept so hard last night for like the first time ever good. I was out
33:25Good
33:28What?
33:30You what you've been out for like a month and a half now. Mm-hmm and like it's still the same
33:37It's the same song and dance every day. Yeah
33:41and I feel like
33:43What my heart wants it's to like obviously
33:48Work on a chance with us like and for our family
33:52But nothing's changing
33:55Hmm, so I'm like, I think you're exhausted. I'm exhausted
33:59There's really no other answers other than like I feel like taking a good step back
34:14And I hate to say it but it's the truth like
34:20Yeah
34:30I mean for me I don't know if I would have been able to get out of it
34:34I don't know if I would have been able to take it
34:36I don't know if I would have been able to take it
34:39I
34:41Mean for me, I don't want anything or anyone else. I
34:47Still want you. I still want my family like I
34:53Don't think nothing changes if nothing changes him
34:59I think it's just really hard because we've both come from very broken places. We've both hurt each other
35:06tremendously in many ways and
35:08I know I have tons of things that you know are so hard for me to just work through
35:14Our situation is like the worst situation ever
35:18every pain point Taylor has I
35:21am
35:22Someone that activates that for her. It's hard because I've never loved anyone more than I have Taylor
35:29but the best thing I can do is give her space and
35:33For me my whole focus right now is to just be
35:36The best dad I want him to have a really happy life
35:40Regardless of me and Taylor are ever together or not. I guess the next thing would be
35:46Ever are you wanting to still do the night situation? Yeah, I'll just keep him all night. Okay. Yeah
35:53See, that's the part that makes this so hard
35:58I mean, it's part of co-parenting. Yeah. Yeah. I know it's the worst thing ever. Yeah, I just yeah, I've never
36:07Yeah
36:09I've never experienced it though. So yeah, it's hell. Yeah, I think it's just hard cuz he's so young
36:22It's really hard to imagine a life without Dakota it would be like
36:28It'd be another loss for me
36:30but there is like just a cycle of
36:33Fight all day and then he'll come over and then we'll sleep together and then there's like love but the cycle is more
36:40toxic than good days
36:47I do love Dakota. And so it's not something I want to give up but I do feel like it's the best thing for us
37:02You're okay, you're okay
37:15Oh my gosh, so freaking cute
37:20She's a fairy
37:22Obviously the conversation with you Mikaela didn't go well
37:25I'm striking out of the game right now, but I'm so excited to celebrate baby Billy
37:31It's gonna be great. Oh
37:33My gosh, so freaking cute. I don't know what the bunnies are for. I just like wanted people to be able to go and hold a
37:39bunny
37:43Because I have Billy with me I knew that everybody was gonna want to hold him but I didn't want that to happen
37:49So I was like, hey, like here's something cute and fuzzy and cuddly that you can hold to get to get that fix
37:56Bunnies
37:57No, it's fine
38:00I
38:11Like a little flower bar, we've got the balloons and I love this
38:15You know, I feel like a little fairy. I could barely breathe in this dress
38:19But this is the best I've ever felt like with all my pregnancies. Oh Connor did get a vasectomy
38:23I
38:27Used to know if they show up
38:29Yeah, I don't know like to me and Jesse and yeah, I don't think Mikaela's gonna come
38:33I mean, I'd be shocked if Leila and Taylor didn't come. I mean no Miranda's coming cuz we just talked
38:37I don't know if Leila's gonna be she was the one who wrote the note saying that I was fake or something
38:43How did you find that out? Macy told me that yeah, Leila was the one who wrote the confession
38:49I feel bummed about it
38:52But at the same time, I don't think her intention was to tear me down
38:56I think her intention was to still be included in the group because some of the most
39:03Vocal girls to me and Jesse. We're having these opinions about me
39:07I'm so done with them and I'm done going to Jay-z styles you
39:11Well, damn
39:14Yeah
39:21Right now my focus is being the best version of myself
39:27And so I decided to come to Whitney's baby shower because even though she didn't support me at my baby shower
39:34I don't
39:35Think I have to be petty back and be like, I'm not gonna come to yours
39:38The other girls didn't want to come and I feel like they did that to be petty
39:43Honestly, I had that's true
39:46Hello
39:50Today is Whitney's baby shower and I'm gonna go support her be a good friend because that's what I would want in a friendship
39:56Thanks for coming
39:57Granted I didn't get that in return in the past
39:59But I think we're trying to take steps forward and kind of move forward in our friendship
40:04Hey guys, I want to welcome you though
40:07officially to
40:09Whitney's baby shower and Billy's and Billy's
40:12Babies are
40:15Such a blessing from God and we are so happy that you're all here to celebrate with us. Thanks for coming
40:22We love you guys. Yeah, and enjoy
40:27I'm so happy with the women that did show up. I'm loving seeing Macy here. Hopefully we can just leave the past behind us
40:33I'm not surprised that Taylor showed up because I felt like we were rekindling that relationship
40:38So I'd be pissed if she didn't show up
40:40I would have had my mom call her and say why aren't you here? I
40:45Want to hear about all the girl drama actually
41:01Good cool. Hello. Good. How are you?
41:06Hi, so cute. I love you
41:10We're going to a little fall dinner tonight over at Jordan and Jesse's and we're having a little hibachi night
41:15This Trump's a baby shower all day long
41:24This I know everyone's at the baby shower, but us so this is like the
41:31support I
41:32Mean, I mean support what?
41:35the baby's here I
41:38Don't regret not showing up to Whitney's baby shower because I feel like she invited the group as a whole as a formality and she
41:45Also knows we're still on rocky ground
41:46So I'm good to Whitney in situations where we're doing things as a group
41:51But I don't think I owe it to her to go to a baby shower quite yet. All right, you guys all like fire, right?
42:00All right, are you guys ready to start catching shrimp in your mouth? Yes, sir
42:04Okay, this isn't a representation of how I am with my mouth
42:09Demetria
42:11All right, you ready?
42:23Ready
42:26Layla
42:31Took that shrimp like a beast straight to the forehead
42:35Nowhere near her mouth and her tongues out and her mouth's open and she's like
42:40her splat
42:42Hilarious, I wonder what they're doing at Whitney's shower. Probably like milking cows
42:47Taylor you want a bunny? I don't like bunnies. You can go hold a bunny. I
42:52Think I'm Keith. I don't mind Whitney at this point, honestly
42:58It's Jen
43:00No, yeah, Jen's my new Whitney. It's my new Roman Empire. There's this many people who have had lies. It's not an isolated situation
43:07It's like no this light this light this light
43:09So it's like at what point are you just not gonna look like a liar like it's yeah
43:13They're so outlandish the lies and they're so specific too. It's so weird
43:17Apparently Jen said that Jordan had his tiny dick all over her
43:21No, he didn't first of all, but also where's this hostility coming from?
43:25Like what could possibly have switched so quickly with one little Chippendales performance that you?
43:33Consented to I'm just preparing for
43:36Whatever happened with Jesse to happen to me
43:39She is brave to go on this trip in my opinion because it's like Layla has issues with her
43:44You guys have issues with her it makes sense that her and Whitney are the ones that are getting close though
43:48Yeah, it does. They're the only ones that can like I said the delusion likes company
43:53It's really hard to catch me at a loss for words
43:55But I was completely shocked after my argument with Jen because the accusations she was throwing they were just crazy to me
44:02Like if this is an invitation to swing the answer is no
44:05First of all, Zach would not be my first choice in this group of husbands
44:09Second of all, I did have a situation in a past relationship and it did involve swinging
44:15But that was way in my past and something I shared with her in confidence
44:19And it just kind of shows me that she's willing to throw daggers when she feels backed into a corner
44:23I don't know if this is a defense mechanism of Jen's but I don't want anything to do with a friend like that
44:29Like it's bleeding into our friend group and mom talk and that's where it's not. Okay for me
44:35Wait, Jen, what's your issue?
44:37The Chippendales is like kind of a sensitive topic. I'm just like what was your intentions? I mean I asked
44:44I see this I'm like, when have I intentionally ever tried to hurt you?
44:48So let's see. What's your issue with to me then?
44:51Some things went down in Italy
44:53Like I'll just straight-up say it like she was literally playing truth or dare or the ton of single men
44:59Did she I call them?
45:01One of them kissed her on the cheek
45:05I
45:06Called her out for it. She gave me crap for it
45:09You think I'm gonna have your back and stick up for you when you know, you screwed up
45:13I do feel like Demi sits on her high horse and looks down at all of us a lot of what she does is trashy
45:19And what else is trashy that I do then since a lot of it is well
45:22I mean the whole swinging thing was trashy. We got that down. What else that whole era of your life?
45:28I'm also not gonna defend chasing anything, but I do feel like to me did throw chase touching her out of proportion
45:35Your girlfriend's literally crying and just left like that's probably
45:40He's upstairs. Don't touch me again
45:46She's always prying at us and our issues and it's like you actually don't share a damn thing about your life
45:51So, I mean I would like you to open that lens and let's see what yours looks like
45:54So you feel like they were like coming at you in your marriage
45:58Yeah, so you asked her about the confession that Macy got with her and Brett
46:04I
46:05Didn't know if Macy told you she got a confession about Demi and Brett
46:08It said Brett slept with me while Demi was away. It said I slept with Demi's husband last year while she was away
46:15Like yeah, that's not true. Demi doesn't go a day away from Brett. Besides the girls trip we did in June
46:20It's the ones you never expect and that's why it's crazy. That is true
46:25I
46:26Think Brett was sleeping with someone when Demi was away. Yes
46:31Now where I have issue is when she's asking me for truth, let's talk about you and your husband
46:37That's messy
46:39That's messy. I feel for Jen because it's like if people are digging and messing with her relationship
46:44She has every right to have a backbone and fight back. That probably feel the same way. I
46:49Just am so dreading the minute Jen tries to come out of the grenades. I know she's gonna do it
46:54She's gonna come at you for the fake thing. Let her I have nothing to hide
46:58She's gonna make herself look dumb if she comes in below the belt. I will absolutely don't meet you
47:03I will make her look like such a fool between all the different opinions and people taking sides
47:09I just can't see this going any other way, but a pure bloodbath. I am absolutely packing extra super
47:17Tampons, she's disgusting. I don't want to be associated with her
47:20I'm like you have no idea what's coming for you going into this girl's trip. Micaela and I are worse than when we started
47:27Jesse and Jen definitely don't need to be in a room together
47:29Demi needs to be very careful about calling people out because we all know she's got skeletons in her closet
47:34All I know is shit is definitely gonna go down at this girl's trip. Wow. This will be great to be all together
47:40Yikes, yikes, yikes, yikes
47:50Oh
47:55Okay, baby, I love you I do but you know I'm saying yeah
48:04It's time for warming girls gone wild we're gonna play talking to see roulette
48:10No question of the day. Where's Jen?
48:13Jen
48:15Likes to put on a facade that she's always happy
48:17She cries like every day and it's 90% related to the girls. Demi has skeletons in her closet. Does Jen know there's skeletons?
48:26All right, you guys I have a surprise
48:28Another truth box. Dear God. I was there in Italy like I saw everything
48:33Yeah, I would you be talking to him that much like it doesn't add up to me
48:37I feel like Demi is trying to break the soul of mom talk
48:42You think you deserve the biggest brand deal? It's not a shock that I was a fan favorite
48:47I just think you're a fake. Am I the only one that cares about loyalty Taylor?
48:52Why do you think we're like preying on your downfall because look at the two girls it is. She's a disgusting human being
48:58You're just a selfish bitch. She needs help. She needs to go be a fucking mom and she does not get my sympathy anymore
49:06If Taylor's in I'm out

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