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04:04But all of a sudden, the lights effectively went out and we weren't able to identify what people were doing or how they were doing it.
04:14And slowly but surely, it dawned on us that there was a secure way that everybody was communicating and that was EncroChat.
04:20An EncroChat device is access to the criminal world.
04:41It's the dark web in your pocket. It's end-to-end encryption, unbreakable by police, by law enforcement.
04:49I've got an EncroChat phone, which is unlocked.
04:52When we first seized the EncroChat phones, all we saw was your normal phone with a normal screen, messages, emails, camera, gallery, nothing else there.
05:03But by turning them on in a certain way, you were able to access a secure side.
05:11You had a clean side and a dirty side.
05:14It's the easiest way to explain it.
05:15It had a burn capability, so you're able to say once that message was opened, it would burn within seconds or a minute or a day.
05:25And it had the ability to remote wipe.
05:29It just locked right.
05:30For top-end criminals, it's a very, very attractive device.
05:35Vehicles sit in different countries, taking orders for huge shipments of drugs, ordering attacks, shootings, thinking that they were untouchable.
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07:08We know from our intelligence that EncroChat was being used by organised crime gangs in a way that we can't see.
07:17Orchestrating and organising importations of drugs and firearms, money laundering, conspiring to cause serious violence or even to kill.
07:26All of that needs them to be able to link up and that's exactly what EncroChat was for them.
07:31It was a bit like a LinkedIn of organised crime.
07:35In the criminal underworld, it was word of mouth. Get these devices.
07:40So you had resellers operating in backstreet small computer shops, mobile phone shops throughout the world.
07:48The fact that you've got an EncroChat phone means you're paying a lot of money out.
08:13Ten times the amount of a normal contract, but it opened up doorways.
08:18You could almost instantly elevate your position within the criminal world.
08:21Across the UK, they had 10,000 users.
08:31But the global reach was truly amazing.
08:34You had Portugal, Spain, France, the Netherlands, right the way through the rest of Eastern Europe into Turkey.
08:43And then you start talking about the Middle East, Dubai, into the Far East, Hong Kong, China.
08:48EncroChat had appeared in Colombia.
08:5160,000 users worldwide.
08:53It was the opportunity to be truly global.
08:56EncroChat was a really difficult problem for us
09:25because it was frustrating so many of our operations.
09:31But we believed that the servers that we EncroChat devices were connecting up to were based in France.
09:40And that's why we knew that we needed to start working with a range of law enforcement and intelligence analysts
09:46in different parts of the world because we needed to crack EncroChat.
09:49And there was a great degree of secrecy around what was going to happen.
09:55Did you work on the EncroChat hack?
10:07I cannot confirm or deny that I worked on or any part of this investigation.
10:16There isn't a huge difference between my job and that of a hacker except that I'm not trying to commit crimes based on the information that I have.
10:25EncroChat market themselves as unbreakable.
10:27And I think it's important to remind people that nothing is unbreakable.
10:32So you always look for the weakest link in the chain and that's where you attack.
10:40There was something that could be done without actually breaking the encryption
10:44and that is to push all users' updated version of EncroChat.
10:52But actually it's a fake update.
10:53And this fake update contained an implant.
10:57And what this implant would do is essentially capture messages before they were encrypted
11:03and send them not to the EncroChat server but to a server operated by the French police.
11:10It's very clever because users of EncroChat are security conscious.
11:13So when they receive a security update, that's the first thing they want to do.
11:20Our team had gone out for what they thought was a fairly routine meeting
11:25and it was actually then a real jaw-dropping moment when they came back and said
11:28the French are able to get inside EncroChat.
11:35The briefing started.
11:37It's all very hush-hush.
11:38And it was something along the lines of,
11:40imagine being able to see everybody's Encro messages.
11:42And the initial thought was
11:46wow,
11:49I'm going to have access to all this information
11:51that I've never had before.
11:53This moment when you press the button,
12:00this is a very intense moment
12:02because you are working with a nuclear weapon in a sense
12:06that's about to detonate.
12:08This is much more power than we ever had as investigators.
12:13But at this point, it may not work in the real world.
12:17It may still fail because you made a silly mistake.
12:19And then you press the button and you don't see it happening right away.
12:28It's silence.
12:29This is an easy time.
12:35And you'll see it.
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14:06We are now into a problem in the UK. We're into our first full lockdown.
14:13I was actually in the garden and I got a phone call from one of the members of the team
14:17and they said to me, the French have commenced the operation.
14:25Because at that point, it's like, right, what's going to happen now?
14:29If they notice, are they all just suddenly going to drop these devices and run?
14:33So I'm thinking, can we do this?
14:35Will we be able to put enough officers in to deal with this?
14:39Bearing in mind that we're also dealing with a national emergency.
14:42While every other boss in the country was saying, stay at home, work from home, prioritise your
14:53family, there was me and the senior leaders of the National Crime Agency asking the exact
14:57opposite, go and leave your family, don't tell them why. You're about to get the keys to the kingdom.
15:01I can remember getting a phone call saying, everything's on its way.
15:17I remember reading them thinking, this can't be right.
15:38This is just bonkers. There was just so much information in there.
15:43It was almost like being down a dark pipe.
15:45Through the dark pipe, you can't see who's there. You can't see what they're doing.
15:48You can't see where the connections are. And all of a sudden, somebody puts a big search
15:51light in there and lights it up. And you can see that those organised crime groups that
15:56have caused significant issues.
15:58The messages are really open. This isn't, the thing is happening near the thing, I'll go
16:03and see you at the thing again. This was, here's my cocaine. Here's what I'm going to sell
16:07it for. I'll meet you at this postcode at this time. And we were just looking going, this
16:10is what everyone's dreamed of for a very long time.
16:12In my 32 years, I've never seen anything like it. It was a real seminal moment until you realised
16:21that actually you needed to understand who these people were.
16:27Effectively, what was being used are two random words which were put together to be a handle.
16:32So it might be doorknob or black sheet. And nothing within that data effectively tells you who those
16:41individuals are. It was all right that you had all of these pictures and all of these photographs
16:45and all of these messages. But if you don't understand who they are, then they mean nothing.
16:49doorknob.com
16:58We have got loads coming in at the moment.
17:22Everyone could see that we were tapping into the richest vein of high quality intelligence
17:28that we've ever had.
17:30So, have we got a victim in this one? Do we know anything about the victim?
17:35No.
17:36Our computers were set up to try and identify key words for some of the stuff that we knew
17:41we'd be interested in. They're talking about threats, they're talking about firearms, and
17:46then each and every one of those cases is pulled out and that gets the first priority.
17:51My biggest fear is there's a threat to kill someone and we haven't acted quickly enough
17:58and that there's been a loss of life.
18:01In the first six weeks, I think we got about 150 threats to life straight off the bat.
18:05In a normal year, we'd received between us much less than 100.
18:09Northwest absolutely chock-a-block now. I don't know what we're going to do about actually
18:13bringing more resource in there.
18:17The threats to life team phoned and said, can you set up another team? Because the amount
18:23of hours they had to work, they were working 20 hour days.
18:27The amount of people wanting to buy guns, shoot people, talking about acid, talking about explosive
18:37devices, driving cars into people. The threat was unbelievable. And we identified really quickly
18:44the handle Live Long. He was a real problem.
18:59You could see straight away, looking at these messages, how high up the pecking order these
19:03people were. But there's a name that keeps on popping up, which is Live Long. And it's
19:08obvious that this individual poses a real threat. He's influencing severe violence. He's got access
19:13to firearms and, for me, became a very high priority to identify.
19:21I had to go back to the operation rooms to start looking at how we could get a better grip
19:29of what he was doing.
19:36Because Live Long wasn't in the UK, we didn't get his phone data. We only got his data when
19:43he spoke to somebody in the UK. So he would have to speak to Ball Sniffer. He would speak
19:51to Keyhole. And then we would have a snapshot into his messages. But he was very well connected.
19:59Had contacts in Holland, in Spain, and right the way across the UK. And it became clear
20:04he was from the North West. So you start to build that picture of the organised crime group.
20:11But who are those people? You would have no idea who those individuals are. But you would
20:16have to look for clues.
20:44As soon as you start reading their messages, you knew straight away that he's an asterisk
21:12work. An immensely, immensely violent person. And all of his troubles centred around the
21:20nickname Ninja. Ninja wasn't a handle. It was a nickname for somebody else. Ninja was
21:26Leon Cullen, who was a subject of a Cheshire operation.
21:29Leon Cullen is head of the significant organised crime group operating predominantly within Cheshire. He
21:44was certainly subject of significant police attention throughout the years, responsible
21:49for vast amounts of drug supply and would willingly enhance his own reputation by resorting to violence.
21:57At that time, Leon Cullen had managed to escape from the country. But Cullen was arrested by
22:04the authorities in Dubai, and at that point was awaiting extradition back to the UK.
22:09I hear a lot of theories that there is a drug step between them, or that one's ripped the other off. But there's some sort of criminal falling out between the two groups.
22:22Leon Cullen, he's in prison in Dubai without any means of easy communication with the OCG. And at that time, we were looking to establish who was taken over.
22:33What we identified was that there was a handle called Ace Prospect, and it was clear from the messages this was somebody who was well respected, he was based abroad, and he was looking after the business while Cullen was unable to.
22:44With Cullen in prison, the person behind the handle Ace Prospect had taken on the war with Livelong himself.
23:14Is there any picture in the other day?
23:15It has been a very clear saying that the kon aspirations are not as a malady as a such, as a hobbits and aish person if he would marry a human impact on the other.
23:18You're still looking after the use of a crime and a little bit.
23:19You're still looking after the killings.
23:20I'm testing the land on the front.
23:21Many times of the privilege to have been forced to call you as a slave agent.
23:24In this situation, I'm testing the land on the shoulders and the head of the space.
23:27I'm testing it in the form of a civil war with New York City.
23:29I'm testing it in a few years now.
23:31I'm testing the land on the ground, I'm testing the land on the ground.
23:33I'm testing it so well.
23:34It's testing the land.
23:36It's testing the land on the ground and the ground.
24:08We had Ace Prospect asking for an individual to be attacked with acid.
24:15He was asking for him to be held down so he couldn't get to a sink to wash his face, which in itself was horrific.
24:25You've got to organise crime groups going against each other.
24:29Add firearms, add an absolute intention to wipe other people out, and you've got a real problem for the communities in the North West.
24:36They're causing misery in the UK, and they use an encrochart to do it.
24:41All right.
24:43All right.
24:48All right.
24:50I don't know.
25:20I'll get you something special, all right?
25:50I'll get you something special, all right?
26:20I'll get you something special, all right?
26:28Ace Prospect was causing danger to other individuals.
26:33And there's conversations around his hitman.
26:38I think that's the best way you can put it.
26:39The person he's tasked to go and carry out his acid attacks.
26:43We're looking at real and credible threats to people's lives.
26:47But they're not sending the messages and you're seeing it straight away.
26:52Sometimes you might be 24 hours behind.
26:54Sometimes you might be 48 hours behind.
26:57And then phone calls are coming in saying, forget everything else.
27:01Can you check the data?
27:03And his exact words were, I think there's a grenade in Warrington, in someone's garden.
27:09So we were given by the NCA a message indicating a grenade had been left on a residential street in Warrington.
27:19That becomes really, really concerning because of the risk of innocent people being injured, the devastation that can be caused by these.
27:26And with all of the messages, because they are 24 hours behind, there is increased time pressure to find the device.
27:34But the confidence criminals had in EncroChat messages means on that particular occasion, the address itself was actually contained within the message.
27:42The grenade attack was orchestrated and ordered by Ace Prospect and carried out by Value Bridge.
28:00And the intended target, who's associated to Live Long and the grenade, is under a bush outside a residential address, where there's a couple living and a child.
28:15And you think, oh.
28:18And when you go through the data, you've got a person who's had it planted there, who's saying, don't worry about the kid, he's not old enough to pick it up.
28:30There is serious violence being planned, but at the same time, we've got to try and protect the fact that we have now got inside EncroChat and we can see the messages.
28:47You know, we couldn't act on every single piece of information because very quickly, we would have been compromised when all the criminals realised the law enforcement, the NCA, they're on to us.
28:57But at the same time, we made the decision that a threat to life could not be left just to protect the operation. We've got to act.
29:07We call in Explosive Ordnance Disposal, the Bomb Squad, in order to make this device safe as best we can.
29:24It means evacuating houses, it means massive disruption to the public and the residents, but clearly the biggest risk is of that device actually exploding.
29:32Explosive Ordnance Disposal, the Bomb Squad, in order to make this device safe as best we can.
29:49When the grenades discovered, the clear thought at that point is this is the start of a real
29:59escalation in hostilities, the start of some kind of gang war and we're going to start
30:04seeing tit for tat, but that becomes a real challenge in terms of protecting the public.
30:19Ace Prospects, he was an utterly violent creature.
30:49He took some deep joy in that detonation and it was only after that incident that we realised
31:00Ace Prospects was hell-bent on getting revenge on Live Long and I think you've just got to
31:10take him off the street really.
31:11You've got to take him out, there's no option about it.
31:15But in reality, nobody knew who those individuals were.
31:25Everybody thought it would last a couple of days and then that would be it.
31:28But it didn't.
31:29It just kept going.
31:32We were getting more and more and more messages.
31:35So our work was expanding exponentially.
31:39But also with the backdrop of a pandemic and a lockdown, we were losing officers to Covid and
31:46that in itself was quite problematic.
31:48But everybody cracked on with it because that's all we could do.
31:51You can't stop in law enforcement.
31:54It's imperative to start to find out who those handles are.
31:58So you're looking at everything.
32:02Anything that's going to give you a clue as to who these people are.
32:05What are you doing?
33:52He'd sent a selfie to somebody and he was fully visible, his face was visible, a tattoo
33:58on his hand was visible.
33:59Live long is Jamie Rothwell.
34:05At that time Jamie Rothwell was wanted by Greater Manchester Police in connection with conspiracy
34:10to murder times two and was undoubtedly one of the NCA's most wanted people.
34:18Jamie Rothwell as a criminal has been known since he was a young lad.
34:21He got involved in criminal activity quite early and then it just escalated into more serious
34:30criminality.
34:34There's an arrogance and vanity to a lot of the crime groups, particularly the younger
34:38ones.
34:39Completely different breeds than you would have had 30, 40, 50 years ago.
34:44Ant appearance is everything.
34:46They're all people who have tans in Salford when we don't get a lot of sun.
34:50Girlfriends getting cosmetic surgery, etc.
34:53It's all part of the lifestyle of a new generation of criminals who are also addicted to social
34:59media and that social media platform means that they've got to look good.
35:02For a criminal to get that status within the criminal network where their word matters, where
35:10people hang on every word, where people are in fear of them, it's normally born out of
35:15violence.
35:17Jamie Rothwell was clearly somebody who was at very top of his game in terms of organised
35:22crime.
35:23He was linked to previous murders.
35:25The extreme violence that was used goes beyond what you would normally see even within the
35:31most hardened organised crime group.
35:34Jamie Rothwell himself was the subject of a targeted shooting.
35:40Which resulted in him being shot in the stomach when he was at a car wash.
35:44And then it turned out that same weapon was used in the shooting of a mother and a seven-year-old
35:49child on their own doorstep.
35:51The indiscriminate shootings, innocent people being injured, it leads to that real moment
35:57of wanting to do as much as we can to prevent this escalation, to prevent this gang warfare
36:04erupting on the streets.
36:09Because of the nature of the violence he was involved in, he chose to take himself away from
36:14Manchester and base himself abroad, where he could sit on his encro quite happily, quite
36:19safely, getting others to do his bidding.
36:22The talk of a scalp, he was target number one.
36:33The encrochat messages we've seen painted a real disturbing picture of just how dangerous
36:39as an individual he was.
36:41That absolutely goes beyond what any of us would be willing to accept in a normal society.
36:47Let's go straight down, I'll be there in a sec, yeah?
37:17Bank holiday Monday, I was sat at home having worked 40, 50 hours over the weekend.
37:45And I got a phone call telling me that they found a gun list.
37:52It was a shopping list of firearms, and they're available, and they're coming to the UK.
37:58You start thinking, he's lived long behind it.
38:00It's terrifying, really, when you think about it, isn't it?
38:11Boats reaching the streets and being utilised, not just in one crime, because that's not the
38:17nature of firearms, is it?
38:19They would be used multiple times, you would imagine.
38:20Two AK-47s with folding stocks, and 85 suites each, which are the bullets.
38:29So a military weapon that you would normally see the Russians using, for example, in a film.
38:33One times Tech-9, 200 stroke 400 suites.
38:40One by Uzi, 200 to 400 suites.
38:44Uzi, made famous through Arnold Schwarzenegger, but again, a machine pistol, easy to conceal.
38:50All black Scorpion push on suppressors with 80 suites.
38:55It is really shocking, actually, that you've got criminals in this country able to access
39:03a list of serious weaponry like that.
39:05Before Encro, I never knew there were so many firearms available in the UK.
39:10And this list hadn't just gone from one person to another.
39:15If one person sent it to five, they'd sent it to five more.
39:20They sent it to five more.
39:21It went far and wide, right the way across the country.
39:27So we had a really frenetic period to try and understand who was it who was trying to
39:32sell these weapons, and if possible, understand where these weapons were, so that we could
39:36remove them from circulation as soon as possible.
39:39That sort of intelligence demands an immediate response.
39:43If this goes wrong, I would feel responsible.
39:46And that did play on my mind.
39:48We're constantly speaking with the Firearms Threat Centre, with the Dutch, with the French
39:54colleagues, to say, can you give me more information around the firearms?
39:58Is there anything you're seeing that we're not?
39:59We're still thinking he's Live Long behind it, until that moment that one message we've sent
40:20show him that Live Long was a purchaser and not a supplier.
40:23And then it became clear he had a man on the ground that we hoped would lead us to the rest
40:35of the guns.
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41:17Sweet, bro
41:47LiveLong was telling Keyhole to go to the British Legion to pick up the brown AK-47.
42:16So, the NCA recovered the CCTV.
42:21Here we can see Keyhole in his Black Audi A3 following Red Van with the electrical signage
42:28writing on the side of the van.
42:29And then a person comes out of the Red Van, retrieves something and walks toward the Audi.
42:38Really good, strong evidence against the individuals purchasing a weapon of mass destruction.
42:45You fire that into a crowd, you are going to kill multiple, multiple people.
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42:55Can't around this again.
42:57And I killed C.
42:58We shot Victor C.
43:00Won't kill her or if they can make a Venom.
43:03This was right, Ben.
43:04What
43:18I don't know.
43:48I don't know.
44:18But the worst case scenario is that you either get an update that has been utilised
44:22or we've sold one and we've lost track of it.
44:27You pause for a minute and you have to think, if one's gone, where are the rest?
44:33Well, where's the Scorpion?
44:34Where's the Uzi?
44:36Where's the black AK-47?
44:37We need the guns off the streets.
44:39That's the primary objective.
44:40The guns cannot reach the streets.
44:42We need to try and find these weapons.
44:44I've got my best teams working here, scouring through hundreds of hours of CCTV and multiple
44:51lines of inquiry.
44:53The team identify CCTV.
44:56From numerous locations, I identify the same red van.
44:59In a short space of time, a day or two, multiple, multiple firearms have been handed out by the
45:05same person, red van man, to multiple individuals in different areas.
45:09We know that three firearms went in this Toyota Aris.
45:17The other AK-47, we know it went into a dark-coloured BMW.
45:22And we'd identified Handel, the legend killer, then another Handel, who we now know to be
45:30Elusive Wul, who was the warehouse man for the firearms, and he was a distributor.
45:38The team then started to think, well, who is importing this arms list?
45:44Who's the arms dealer?
45:45And then when you look back through all the data, Elusive Wul is told who and when to give
45:57firearms to.
46:00He's told to do that by Ace Prospect.
46:11The gun list had been copied and pasted and sent round so many times.
46:15That if you were buying one of those guns, you really wouldn't even know who you were
46:18buying it from.
46:19And in this case, we had two crime bosses that were effectively at war with each other.
46:25And then we realised that one of them had purchased a firearm inadvertently from the other.
46:31One OCG was selling to another OCG.
46:34One side of your mind's like, could be karma.
46:36The other side of your mind's thinking, could be trouble, because it's more threat.
46:42It was unbelievable.
46:44One OCG.
46:45One OCG.
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47:41Ace Prospects is abroad in an unknown location and Jamie can't get to him.
48:03So, Jamie is going after other members of the Cullen OCG.
48:06We'd identified well over 20 individuals who were in real and immediate danger of being
48:15injured, shot, harmed or killed.
48:19You know, and for the community of Manchester, if you stood in the way, you were a target
48:23just like the other person was.
48:26Rothwell is targeting people he believes are linked to the OCG.
48:30And Liam Byrne, who is a criminal associate of Cullen, he would definitely have seen us
48:35being a legitimate target.
48:36We put things in place, we warn these people about it, we can try and encourage people
48:40to move away from the area.
48:42But ultimately, we do not know when or who is going to be responsible for these attacks,
48:48because we're still behind on the messages.
48:50When we look at the Cullen OCG, we look at the Cullen OCG, we look at the Cullen OCG.
48:55When we look at how these attacks are planned, Live Long is asking for this to be done.
49:25And he's then wanting somebody to take on a piece of work.
49:29It's almost a marketplace.
49:33We've got somebody who is a fugitive abroad, but he was able to make other people do his
49:39bidding based on it's Jamie Rothwell requesting that that is done.
49:43Probably one of the most concerning parts for us was he had numerous weapons all across the
49:54UK that he was personally controlling, directing people to.
49:59He was somebody who had the capability to bring about massive damage to people.
50:29All parents?
50:31All right.
50:35Right.
50:43Right.
50:44Right.
50:47Right.
50:53Right.
52:26Even though we knew about the likelihood of something happening, there was still that moment of, this has actually happened.
52:32Is it just a one shot?
52:34No.
52:35Do you know what sort of weapon it was?
52:37Shotgun, handgun.
52:38The next day, out of nowhere, we found out the intended target had been missed, but he'd shot his father-in-law in the legs.
52:50And from the EncroChat messages, what we then get is actually on that night, there was a second planned shooting.
52:58Fortunately, because the people who intended to be there weren't there, the occupants were uninjured.
53:07There were two planned, coordinated shootings involving two completely different teams.
53:13That gave an additional level of sophistication and intent that was really disturbing.
53:21We can see quite clearly for Rothwell this wasn't the end of the dispute.
53:25This wasn't job done at all for him.
53:27Everyone that was involved in this was effectively seeing what was happening in organised crime in a way that they hadn't been able to before.
53:38And we get more and more and more data every day, and sometimes you feel as though you're hanging on by your fingernails.
53:46And it's quite frightening.
53:48But you are dealing with people's lives.
53:51We have to do something.
53:53Live long was rampant.
53:55Causing harm is causing me 18-hour days of work because of the threat of harm and risk he's putting forward.
54:03We needed somebody to take on live long, and that was Mick Pope.
54:08It was a Friday afternoon.
54:10I had a phone call.
54:12Cheshire police were saying,
54:14Ekkie, you know, Warrington's turned into that looking wild west over the weekend.
54:20My manager says,
54:21This individual live long is a priority for the agency to find, locate, trace, arrest.
54:30So I knew at that point, my job, my sole purpose until that happened, was to do that.
54:36OK, I've got it.
54:37And one of my managers just said to me,
54:39You've got to find him, Mick.
54:40If you don't find him, right, this isn't going to carry on.
54:46This is going to turn into an international manhunt.
54:49I'm thinking, this is gold dust.
54:54Jamie Rothwell has now made the fatal error.
54:57We're at a pivotal moment.
54:59We cannot just deal with this within our own borders.
55:02I was pissed off because I thought, well, he's gone now.
55:04He's evading capture.
55:07I was feeding back to the French and the Dutch.
55:09They, like us, were on the tail of some of the biggest criminals in the world.
55:12They were planning that it was an underworld prison and an underworld torture facility.
55:18I was like, wow, a torture chamber.
55:21That's insane.
55:22And that's what he's doing.
55:32I'll find out about that.
55:32They're all supposed to meet me.
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