The Proof Is Out There Season 5 Episode 3

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00:00tonight on the proof is out there is this classic photo a genuine flying saucer we

00:10now have tools to analyze this that didn't exist 60 years ago was a camouflaged bigfoot

00:16recorded near a train sasquatch has been reported with a range of colors from almost albino to very

00:23dark is this a ghost at the world's most haunted battlefield the battle of gettysburg was short

00:29but deadly and some of those soldiers never left the battlefield is this a levitating shaman and

00:37did this reward-winning footage capture an icelandic nessie many of the locals firmly

00:43believe that there is some type of strange serpentine creature that lives in the lake

00:47around the globe are videos one of those things it's moving photos and sounds

00:59that defy explanation

01:01we don't know where they come from who made them or how they operate what are they some sort of

01:11bizarre mutation what's exciting is nobody really knows extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof

01:18i'm tony harris and as a journalist for more than 30 years i've followed the facts where they take me

01:25now i'm bringing that spirit of investigation to the world's strangest sounds and images

01:31we'll analyze each one with top experts it's a credible case it's a credible video

01:38and pass a verdict on what it is this video was clearly faked the proof starts now

01:45good evening and welcome to the proof is out there print dodgy a small volcanic island located about

02:00700 miles off the coast of brazil is well known today as an important nesting spot for the endangered

02:07green turtle but as you'll see in our next story turtles might not be the only exotic visitors to this

02:14desolate island it's high noon on january 16 1958 the brazilian naval training ship almirante soldana

02:23is preparing to depart trindage island brazil according to author and historian amy title you'd be hard

02:30pressed to find a more esteemed group of men in passage to spot a ufo on board the ship are a number

02:36of sailors and also scientists who are going out on an international scientific mission as the crew members

02:43gather on deck before leaving their attention is all diverted to this thing flying nearby in the sky

02:49the crew immediately summons their esteemed photographer almiro barro una and he captures a series of images

02:57that would become ufo legend a dark gray aerial object looks to be flying over the distant mountain

03:05zooming in zooming in reveals what appears to be a saucer shaped object with a ring around its center

03:13almost resembling the planet saturn barro una claimed the ufo approached the island flew behind a mountain

03:20peak and then turned back around the way it came one of the witnesses vice admiral paulo de castro

03:28marrera de silva said the object was encircled by a greenish glow the crew all saw the object glowing

03:36before it turned towards wished peak then it turned sharply northwest and disappeared from view the entire

03:43encounter lasted just 20 seconds immediately barro una's photos became an international sensation

03:51while some were skeptical of the photographs their authenticity was seemingly bolstered by multiple

03:56investigations the photographs were studied by the brazilian navy's aerial reconnaissance laboratory

04:02as well as the aero photogrammetric lab of cruzero dosul they were deemed to be authentic taken of a

04:09real event backed up by the eyewitness testimony of military experts and personnel they were even confirmed

04:16by the brazilian president at the time in the years since however new details revealed about the incident

04:22have drawn skepticism to the once bona fide evidence barro una held the negatives away from the brazilian

04:29navy for two days before surrendering them he had even cut some of the photographs off of the end of the

04:35film role it's unclear whether he tampered with the negatives before handing them over or whether there

04:41was something else on the film he didn't want seen and in august of 2010 a brazilian tv show claimed he was

04:47known to have created hoaxed photographs before both in spite of and because of the controversy the

04:54incident continues to be one of brazil's most famous ufo encounters and that's saying something

05:01the brazilian ufo archive spans 60 years and has more than 700 documented and researched ufo cases

05:09and of all of them this is one of the most legendary cases in all of brazil's history

05:17brazilian newspapers ended up printing para una's photographs he took six pictures in total but

05:25the alleged saucer only appeared in four of them supposedly because he was bumped by sailors during

05:31the excitement of the event something tells me our experts are just as hyped up to analyze this case

05:42visual effects and astronomy expert mark d'antonio has seen these photos before

05:47in fact he credits them for his getting into ufology in the first place i grew up with this

05:52image when i was a little kid this was my gateway ufo first d'antonio addresses the theory that this is

06:00simply a terrestrial aircraft aircraft at the time had very specific shapes and it doesn't match any of

06:07those configurations for 1958 astrophotographer andrew mccarthy reviews another common theory that this

06:15object is simply a bird it's shaped somewhat similarly to a bird in flight but birds actually tend to

06:22absorb more light so they would show up as a shadowy object against a relatively bright blue sky so in

06:29this case i think we can safely rule out it being a bird but examining the shadows further alerts mccarthy

06:37to a detail he considers suspicious when you look at this object closely you see at the top and bottom

06:42that are roughly the same brightness if this was a flying object the top of it would be illuminated

06:48by the sun and the bottom would be in shadow as since this object doesn't seem to obey the laws of

06:54physics i have to start looking at other explanations of how this managed to get on film

07:00so are these legendary photos a hoax after all one theory is that airbrushing techniques

07:06were used to create a hoax but mccarthy disagrees airbrushing film is basically like painting

07:11whatever you want directly into the film negative which of course would be easily detectable by the

07:17brazilian navy so it may still be a hoax just not airbrushed if there's no smoking gun how do we

07:23decide if it's real or a hoax d antonio says the answer is a little more nuanced than that there's no way

07:30to look at this and definitively say it's a hoax or definitively say it's real because there's

07:37problems with each of those determinations but if these are a hoax you know what i say so what why

07:45because these are images that many people grew up with and they learned to be critical thinkers as a

07:51result of them my entry into the field is in part because of this photo if it's hoaxed it brought in a

07:58lot of people into ufology and we were better for it our verdict for now this remains a genuine ufo

08:14all we really know is that a group of scientists claim to have seen a glowing object in the sky

08:20at the same time we don't think the negatives were airbrushed but we still can't explain the anomalous

08:26light and shadow this flying object could be real it could be fake but until we learn more it remains

08:34unidentified now let's transfer from a boat to a train our next video recently set the internet on fire

08:44when some tourists on this trip became part of a monstrous mystery october 8 2023 southwest colorado

08:53a group of railway enthusiasts is enjoying a tranquil voyage on the scenic durango and silverton line

09:01when several of the passengers spot something they can't quite figure out one of them takes out a

09:06camera and records this a hulking sandy colored figure is walking on two legs amongst the brush on a rocky

09:15hillside and then it squats down did you miss him look again you can see the subject's brownish coloring

09:21almost blend in perfectly with his surroundings this bipedal creature appears to be massive in height

09:27and is taking a stroll in an area that according to field researcher cliff barrackman is well known

09:33sasquatch territory this particular area north of durango and south of silverton has a number of sasquatch

09:40reports people have reportedly seen sasquatches off of the train long before this video was taken

09:46barrackman suggests that this creature's motion stopping and sitting in place may be indicative of

09:52typical bigfoot behavior how many times have you been scared of something and just like you totally

09:58froze that's called attentive immobility you've heard of fight or flight well attentive immobility is a

10:07third response used by animals and humans alike when encountering a dangerous situation

10:12it's an unconscious decision made by the brain triggered by fear sasquatches have repeatedly shown

10:19this same behavior this potential sasquatch isn't the only giant humanoid that's been spotted from

10:28america's railways a mysterious creature dubbed the metro monster is said to haunt the dark corners of

10:34the washington dc metro system scouring the tunnels of dupont circle and terrorizing commuters

10:41across its path so should we be fearful of this alleged beast in colorado let's see what our experts

10:48think we brought this uncanny footage to forensic video analyst michael primo to make sure it wasn't

10:57a fake we noted that there is a processing that was done in some way shape or form with something

11:03called image enlargement or pixel interpolation so the images have been enlarged to try to gain a more

11:09clear depiction of this thing within the scene although this footage was enhanced primo doesn't

11:15believe anything was done to alter or fabricate the appearance of the creature itself we did not

11:21note any evidence of tampering that would be consistent with third-party editing applications or cgi in

11:28any way it appears that the subject is within this space and it was captured in real time so the video

11:34is legit but could that mean we're looking at an actual sasquatch bigfoot expert and anthropologist

11:40jeff meldrum admits the camouflage coloring of this specimen is congruous with the many shades of

11:45bigfoot this sasquatch has been reported with a range of colors that span quite a spectrum from almost

11:54albino to very very dark even a light tawny color very similar to what we see here however according to

12:02meldrum the indicators that this could be a real sasquatch in there it clearly is moving in a very

12:08contrived way it seems odd that it would venture out into the open space in the light of day it seems

12:17unlikely that a predator would reveal itself in such an overt way and perhaps the biggest red flag telltale

12:26signs of a costume being used the appearance of the fur is more indicative of artificial fiber

12:35the legs are like straight lines there's no contour to muscle mass or limb segments and it's clearly one

12:44of the more popular costumes available commercially so do we have any idea who would try to pull off such

12:51a hoax as it happens there's a business in the region sasquatch expedition campers and looking at

12:58their advertising they employ a sasquatch costume as you can see the similarities between that costume

13:08and the creature in the video are strong so exercising due diligence we reached out to this local

13:15business where we spoke with employee cass kramer well we got a lot of people thinking it was us and

13:21so we had fun with it we made a couple little posts maybe implying it was maybe it wasn't but it wasn't

13:26us that'd be cool to find him but you know i like about sasquatch is you know he's out there

13:30our own the countryside by himself unbounded our verdict i think we can confidently call this one a

13:42hoax while cass and his fellow employees have denied any involvement i think they may be having a little

13:49bit of fun pulling our leg but as always we'll still be keeping an eye out for the real thing

13:55it's been more than 160 years since the battle of gettysburg many believe this three-day civil war

14:05bloodbath left behind some of the most haunted ground in america and this video may capture the

14:11proof it's the evening of september 2nd 2020 in gettysburg pennsylvania a tourist who has asked not

14:19to be named is driving through the historic battlefield with his family he suddenly starts

14:26hearing strange noises and then history comes to life a camera shooting through the windshield shows

14:34two cannons coming up on the right side of the road when out of nowhere a couple of human-like

14:39silhouettes flash into the frame one appears and vanishes quickly but the other stays in view for a

14:46whole three seconds before disappearing for these tourists who came to this area just to get a

14:52glimpse of the history to catch a glimpse of the afterlife i find to be extraordinary there may be a

14:59very simple explanation for these ghostly apparitions gettysburg was the single bloodiest battle of the

15:05civil war and these cannons from an unspecified part of the battlefield likely did their share of killings

15:11this plot of land the bullseye this is where it's happening and i think this is what we were seeing

15:16in this footage right by those cannons ghostly apparitions nearly a third of the soldiers who

15:22fought in gettysburg were either wounded killed or reported missing after the battle brooks says eerie

15:28energy permeates the entire town to this day and there have been regular alleged sightings of civil war

15:34ghosts the balladary and served as a union field hospital it has captured many many images of ghostly

15:44remnants and apparitions around the area then there's the daniel lady farm now this served as the confederate

15:53field hospital there are many accounts of ghostly apparitions that have shown up there so could these

15:59photos and our videos show the souls of civil war soldiers waiting in purgatory catholic miracle

16:06researcher michael o'neill says this christian concept is like god's waiting room according to

16:12catholic belief those people whose souls aren't ready to meet god go through some time of purgation in which

16:19they're perfected and made ready to be in the beatific vision with god there is no set time for purgatory

16:26some might make the argument that returning to the place of one's death is similar to the idea of

16:32working through purgatory on their way to heaven

16:37there are reports of haunted battlefields worldwide in japan people still pray in a cave said to be

16:43haunted by villagers who were instructed by the army to die by mass suicide during the battle of okinawa

16:50in world war ii yet what's the story with the moving blurs back in gettysburg let's let our

16:56experts shine a light on this one

17:03first physicist dr matthew chadagas examines if these wisps could be many dust devils swirling

17:09columns of dirt that unlike tornadoes form on clear weather days this appears to be

17:14a fairly grassy area so i don't see any evidence that there's loose dirt or dust and i don't see

17:23any evidence of wind elsewhere in the video then what about the ghost theory forensic video analyst

17:30michael primo understands why some people see what looks like human apparitions as the video plays you

17:36can sort of see this faint line that's running vertically here and even at a certain point it

17:43almost looks like you could identify a head and some sort of torso so primo goes back in to take a

17:51closer look adding a filter called sobel in our enhancement tool we can better see the lines within

17:58an image and thus shows the dark tone circular object more clearly it appears that this was something

18:05that was recorded in front of the camera and we can explain it as something on the windshield

18:13primo concludes it's the perfect timing and positioning of what's likely a dead bug a water

18:19droplet or a bit of sap that brings this spooky scene to life the three components that contribute to

18:24the false interpretation of these images are the size of the objects the timing as it travels past

18:33these cannons as well as the direction moving from the right to the left they all kind of paint this

18:38picture that this ghost is running from this area where they had once lived into the roadway and

18:45that's simply not the case our verdict conveniently placed window smudges with that said we still have

18:57no explanation for those mysterious noises the family heard at the start of this incident so maybe

19:03there is more to this than meets the eye and the ear iceland is home to many natural wonders including

19:13apparently a humongous worm monster with a 16 letter name does this next video prove the existence of

19:21largo fleurtsamer is that close

19:28no february 2nd 2012 i elsterder iceland he heard to curl off a sheep farmer is having his morning coffee

19:40when from the window of his kitchen he sees something strange he grabs his camera and records this

19:46it appears to be a large worm-like creature swimming in the fresh waters of logger float lake

19:54it's black in color dusted with ice and is long enough to have several humps in its body as we push

20:00in on the video you can see it undulating through the cold winter waters what's really significant

20:06about this case is that we actually have evidence that this thing has been there for centuries

20:11in 1585 a cartographer by the name of abraham otelius actually notated on his map that the locals

20:22believed that there was a giant menacing snake-like animal that lived in this particular lake but there

20:29are a number of modern eyewitness sightings that are pretty notable in 1983 some telephone workers that

20:37were maintaining some underwater telephone cables encountered some kind of strange creature and

20:44also learned that the underwater cables had actually been damaged by something and then as recently as 1998

20:52a teacher and student claimed that they saw this creature from a schoolhouse that was situated on the

20:58shore the rivers and lake around i elsterder are made from melting glaciers making the waters very deep

21:06very dark and very cold the legger flottamuren is described as being anywhere from 20 to 30 feet long

21:15dark gray in color with a horse-like head and a tail very similar to a whale's and it's described as

21:23undulating through the water in either a vertical or horizontal fashion which is exactly what we're

21:29seeing in this particular film a scientific commission in iceland actually declared this footage

21:35as being genuine or authentic in 2014 the municipality of iglustadir offered a reward of a half a million

21:46icelandic kronas or about 3600 us dollars to anyone who can find evidence that proves that the worm-like

21:53monster is real will he orctor be able to collect his reward we turn to our experts to find out

22:06while many speculators have suggested that this could be a giant snake of some kind biologist stephanie

22:12manca is doubtful the biggest reason why this is not a snake is because this is an icy lake snakes don't

22:20live in water as cold as this they can't live in icy conditions in areas where there is snow and ice they

22:28hibernate in the winter and they slow down their metabolism so that they can survive

22:34to find out if this could be the famed lager floatsamer we turn to marine biologist dr shea steingass

22:41an animal of this size would need an immense amount of calories to survive and thrive in these waters

22:48living in water is a lot more energetically demanding because water sucks heat away from you

22:54a lot quicker than in air and the fact that there would be some kind of a large bodied worm living in

23:01these icy waters is not a real biological possibility if it isn't a snake or the famous icelandic worm

23:09what type of animal is it when you look at the frame of reference of what appears to be the head of

23:15this creature you can tell it's actually not moving forward at all it looks like it's fixed in place

23:21and for that reason i don't think this is a living animal given iceland's frigid february temperatures

23:28some theorize it could be ice we're seeing i don't think it's likely that this is just ice on its own

23:34because if this were just ice it would probably break up and just float away what we're seeing here

23:40are likely water particles bouncing off of this flexible and dynamic object and it is creating a

23:47wave-like pattern in it because of the wave energy itself i think this is probably some kind of a long

23:55rope that has been in the water for a long time and has accumulated ice and is being buffeted by the

24:02action of the water around it and because that ice is broken up a little bit it's able to have a lot of

24:09movement

24:14our verdict we're calling this an unknown object and let me explain why our experts are pretty sure it's

24:21a frozen rope that's stuck on something and collecting ice fine but in august 2014 an icelandic

24:29truth commission voted to authenticate the video as genuine and your tur collected the reward so that

24:37leaves us unsure about either conclusion one thing is certain though i deserve a round of applause for

24:43pronouncing all of those icelandic names

24:51we have respect for the world's great religions on this show so we want to tread carefully with this

24:57next piece it's about christianity and some ideas that are truly out of this world may 2023 about 12 miles

25:07northwest of the capital of tbilisi georgia the majestic spedits covelli cathedral sits on a hill

25:15inside is a painting that's hundreds of years old but just now taking the internet by storm

25:23it's a depiction of jesus's crucifixion with what looks like two flying saucers in the background

25:29one blue one red their classic dome shapes have three sharp triangles sprouting from their undersides

25:35it's an image that appears so unusual it caught the attention of brett nicholson lead pastor of one

25:42life church in kentucky my first reaction was wow those look like flying saucers typically with scenes of

25:49the crucifixion you'll see jesus between two thieves you'll see the people at the base of the cross

25:55what you don't see in most portrayals of the crucifixion is is ufos that may be true but according to

26:02author jason martell people have been exploring the connection between christianity and ufos for

26:08centuries in 1584 a christian monk named giordano bruno from naples theorized that there were an

26:14infinite number of planets all with intelligent life each one having its own jesus christ visiting that

26:21planet in more recent times my colleague and good friend eric von daniken has theorized that many of

26:27these depictions of some type of a religious event are actually depicting some type of an

26:32extraterrestrial interaction possibly aliens visiting ancient man we know that ancient pagan religions

26:41often explain things by saying the gods were responsible for instance ancient greeks believed the

26:46goddess demeter was responsible for the changing seasons could the authors of the bible have done the

26:52same thing if ancient astronauts visited earth did previous civilizations chalk this up to visitations

26:58by angels or communication from god was jesus himself an extraterrestrial visitor some people have

27:06pointed out the fact jesus christ today could be classified as some type of higher intelligence

27:11possibly even extraterrestrial this would explain some of the miraculous abilities that he was able to

27:17perform pope francis commented that if martians were to land on earth and wanted to be baptized he would

27:26welcome them with open arms it seems the lines between religion and ufology have never been blurrier

27:33perhaps this painting can finally prove a distinct connection

27:41first catholic scholar and miracle hunter michael o'neill says the scripture makes clear that jesus

27:46was no extraterrestrial when we see jesus walking the earth in the bible he does so as a human we also

27:53know jesus of course is born on earth mary of nazareth is his biological mother so therefore jesus is not

28:03an alien so if you read the bible literally jesus himself was human but could other biblical figures have

28:09had close encounters with aliens that they interpreted as messages from god based on modern day alien abduction

28:16reports o'neill doesn't see the connection some people who claim alien abduction say they've gone

28:21through surgical experimentation or procedures they've had loss of memory or loss of time during

28:28that period this is not similar in any way to what we see in the bible because these are such drastically

28:33different experiences there's no reason at all to think they share a common source so if ufology and

28:39christianity truly don't intersect in any way how do we explain what looks like flying saucers in the

28:45painting in georgia according to archaeologist ed barnhart looks can be deceiving the principles of art

28:52history say we look to similar examples to try to understand what these symbols are there are hundreds of these

29:01paintings of jesus at crucifixion and each one of them have things floating above his face on the left and

29:10right but instead of these two alien spaceships they show angels but barnhart believes that as this

29:19painting is in an eastern orthodox church instead of angels the artist chose another symbol we know that

29:28the eastern orthodox church focuses on the statement that just as he was crucified the sky went dark

29:37so in standard depictions in eastern orthodox crucifixion we oftentimes see the sun and the moon

29:47half covered it's denoting that eclipse moment so these are really very similar to other standard

29:57depictions of the same time in which we see a half moon and a half sun

30:07let there be light our verdict these are just depictions of the sun and the moon but scholars

30:14estimate there are about 4 000 different religions practiced throughout the world so who's to say

30:19maybe one of them has been inspired by extraterrestrial interaction

30:28we've read about it in books and we've seen it on stage and screen but how does it happen we're talking

30:35about levitation you'll get a rise out of this next video it's august 2018 somewhere in africa a crowd has

30:43gathered for what looks to be a ritual or celebration of sorts someone pulls out a camera phone to record

30:50the scene drums are pounding and there's high pitched singing as onlookers watch someone apparently

30:57hovering several feet above them floating and flipping in the air could this be part of some kind of ritual

31:04one of the constants i think that you will find in shamanic ritual is their sort of mediating role between

31:12the here and the hereafter the physical and the spiritual and levitation is considered to be

31:18sort of this bridge of the spirit world yale history and religious studies professor carlos air

31:26says that in catholicism levitation can be seen as a form of mystical ecstasy one saint in particular

31:33saint joseph cupertino rose to the ceiling of the basilica of saint francis in assisi which is about

31:39the same size as your usual european cathedral he blew literally forwards and backwards

31:49brooks says an indian man named shirdi saibaba was also famous for levitating during religious rituals

31:56though it was never caught on film since he died in 1918. saibaba's acts were so astounding and

32:03consistent that actually a revered indian scientist who also witnessed some of these acts found it very

32:11difficult to deny that these things were happening something to bear in mind here all of these historic

32:20reports of levitation note a stillness of the person being levitated the man in this video is far from

32:28that so how does he do it let's ask our experts to bring this levitation story down to earth

32:39theoretical physicist dr michio kaku says that there are ways for humans to become airborne using

32:45external forces such as the concentrated wind tunnels you'd find at an indoor skydiving park air

32:51is blown from the floor upwards and you float on a cushion of air so airflow levitation is possible

32:58but it's not practical it would have irregularities you would have eddy currents if you are floating

33:04that high off the ground there would be air everywhere in all directions leaves would fly around people's

33:11clothing would be fluttering people's hair would be up yet kaku says true levitation does exist

33:18via magnetic levitation a north pole and a south pole attract each other but two north poles repel each

33:24other so in a maglev train the railroad has a north pole and the train has a north pole and they sit on

33:33top of each other and therefore you levitate but you're only a fraction of an inch off the rail and it

33:39takes an enormous amount of magnetism just to lift you a little bit off the surface of the rail so though

33:46it's not likely this man is being raised up by magnets science writer mick west says there are

33:51less authentic forms of levitation there are simple versions of levitation where you basically have

33:59a pretend foot and you stick two shoes together in front of you a magician demonstrates how after

34:05covering himself with a blanket to set up this trick he takes his right foot out of the attached shoes

34:11he then steps back on that right foot while lifting the left foot with the two shoes making it appear as

34:18if he's floating there are other levitation devices like the contoured levitation device which is used

34:24by street magicians this is basically a very strong steel frame that's uh they used to have the illusion

34:32of bouncing on something like a cane this isn't something that we see here so how do we explain this

34:38elevated feet our experts believe this levitator has some help from a different type of device

34:44look carefully and you can see that when he rotates he rotates around a certain axis

34:49and that allows you to determine whether or not he's suspended straight up or whether he's suspended

34:56from the side we see him kind of like put his leg over it like it's clambering over a rope and then

35:03he's kind of hanging from it by his hands and you see here he's bouncing up and down this is exactly

35:09what you would expect if there's a rope that's suspended from somewhere over here to perhaps this

35:14tree over here and west is able to put this levitation aid to the test here's a rope and here's

35:21something on the rope it's bouncing up and down now if you take this video and you kind of run it through

35:26the type of compression that is typical for someone sending a cell phone uh video you get a much lower

35:33quality version you can still see what's there what's in the scene but the rope itself has vanished

35:39so i think that's what's happening here in the the video we just can't see it because of the quality of

35:44the video

35:50our verdict well let's just take the suspense out of this one as mick west suggested this is a traditional

35:57rope dance from zambia's eastern province it might raise people's spirits but not their bodies

36:06on an earlier episode we featured a video from a viewer who says he successfully used the techniques

36:12of a movement known as ce5 close encounters of the fifth kind the kind initiated by the experiencer

36:20in other words he believes he summoned a ufo he caught on camera we couldn't determine what it

36:26was the first time but he was adamant we try again so here goes it all started on a crisp night in

36:34october 2021 bruce waterbury was out in his backyard in meriden connecticut following ce5 protocols to

36:41summon a ufo after meditating on the aliens he grabs his night vision binoculars laser pointer and two-way

36:48radio waiting for contact after several minutes something odd appeared in his viewer a large bright

36:55ore a classic ufo shape excited that he may have summoned an actual ufo using ce5 techniques bruce

37:03immediately began tracing the object with his laser pointer it moves from left to right on his screen

37:08once i circled it it kept moving but then it got super small and then kind of moved out and up back

37:15into space on our previous episode of proof astronomer mark d antonio and rich hoffman of

37:21the scientific coalition for uap studies explored four different possibilities of what bruce's object

37:27could and couldn't be they eliminated planes drones and ufos due to the objects lighting and movement

37:35their best guess was something called earth lights luminous bright spheres seen floating over different

37:41landscapes around the world the earth white phenomena is the closest match that i can come up with

37:47but even hoffman admitted that was just a guess and he couldn't say for sure bruce says that since

37:53that episode aired he has seen the same object over his house more than once and now more than ever

38:00he wants a definitive answer the mystery of what this object is has deepened because no one seems

38:07to tell me what exactly it is tell me what it is and show me what it is then i'll be satisfied

38:16the ce5 movement was begun by dr stephen greer who founded the center for the study of extraterrestrial

38:23intelligence according to greer's protocols meditation is the key to summoning aliens which is

38:29exactly what bruce said he did but can a more definitive conclusion about his footage be reached

38:35according to our own physicist matthew shadagas the answer is a resounding yes

38:45when shadagas saw the episode he immediately knew he could help i started jumping up and down

38:52and yelling at the tv and i told my wife i know exactly what this is

38:57it reminded shadagas of something he saw in july 2021 during a ufo hunting expedition to catalina

39:05island an island just off the california coast that's considered a ufo hot spot the research

39:11group uapx saw an object that looked like the one bruce saw in connecticut even the scientists on

39:19the uapx team weren't able to make the same identification initially when something like this

39:25happened to them but shadagas investigated and realized what the team saw over catalina was the

39:32international space station and in bruce's case he has a similar hunch the iss was over connecticut

39:40in october on at least three nights at 8 30 8 50 and 10 20 pm so i believe this is evidence that the

39:51object in the video is the iss the icing on the cake shadagas points to other videos of the iss captured

39:59with night vision such as this video from 2023 that looks exactly the same as for why so many people

40:06mistake the iss for a ufo the iss has all of these properties of being a shape that doesn't match almost

40:16anything else and a size that's bigger than stars or satellites all of these properties create a

40:25perfect storm of mistaken identity

40:33thanks to professor shadagas our new verdict is that bruce saw the international space station

40:40bruce we hope that conclusion satisfies you even if it doesn't quite support

40:44the premise of the ce5 movement and that's our show for tonight if you have

40:49any intriguing videos for us to analyze do what bruce did and send them along and please

40:55keep those cameras rolling

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