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Karen Pirie Season1 Episode 1
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00:00:00He's only just recently forced his way into the England side Southgate.
00:00:11Model, they call him, but model at Aston Villa.
00:00:15He does everything right.
00:00:16You can come in the bar, like everybody else.
00:00:44England are out.
00:00:46Tonight, it's going to be me, him.
00:00:50Put it, sir!
00:00:52Why?
00:00:52Alex.
00:00:53Why Southgate?
00:00:54It could have been Info Adams.
00:00:56Do you want to get rid of your life now?
00:01:00Hey.
00:01:03This will cheer you up.
00:01:04Are we disco shandy?
00:01:05Do you know how many police drinking here?
00:01:07Don't be a handbrake, Alex.
00:01:09I'll get rid of it, quickly.
00:01:10Oh, that Rosie, eh?
00:01:16Well, class.
00:01:17I don't care, Steve.
00:01:19She's all right.
00:01:21I'll get her to come tonight.
00:01:23Don't scare her, don't we?
00:01:24She won't, anyway.
00:01:25Not for you, she won.
00:01:26This song, again.
00:01:34Oh, let's search.
00:01:37Well, can love clean the glass washer plughole just once?
00:01:40Who?
00:01:41Is he in here?
00:01:42Who?
00:01:43Uh, your man.
00:01:44Yes, you do.
00:01:45You just don't want to tell me who he is.
00:01:46You got me.
00:01:48It's your dad.
00:01:49Oh, screw you.
00:01:51Hello, beautiful.
00:01:53Uh, Iona will help you.
00:01:54I don't want Iona.
00:01:56I want you.
00:02:01If I had watched it.
00:02:05The brothers would crush it.
00:02:07Right, so you're going to go tonight.
00:02:13It's time, please, huh?
00:02:14You just go off, catch.
00:02:15Is that a little road, man?
00:02:17Oh, one for me, too.
00:02:20Rosie, that's where we'll be.
00:02:36Football's a simple game, man.
00:02:49God.
00:02:4922 men chase a ball in for 90 minutes.
00:02:51Can you just let me agree?
00:02:53The Germany's always win.
00:02:55Oh, my God.
00:02:56It's coming home.
00:02:58It's coming home.
00:02:59It's coming.
00:03:00Football's coming.
00:03:02Uh, you mind if I pop out?
00:03:09Where are you going?
00:03:11If Cole or Brian or anyone asks, just say I'm changing the line.
00:03:14They're out on the tree, they won't notice.
00:03:16You got to meet him?
00:03:16I'll be back before he goes up.
00:03:20Everyone's steaming those, eh?
00:03:21Well, if there's trouble, call the police.
00:03:23We're on table nine.
00:03:25Enjoy your shot.
00:03:26We're on table nine.
00:03:56The Prime Minister condemned the violence as disgraceful.
00:04:12These people should not besmirch soccer.
00:04:15They are not soccer supporters.
00:04:16They do damage to soccer.
00:04:18However, the violence was not confined to...
00:04:20they do damage to their defendants.
00:04:37Hey!
00:04:39Hey, hey, break it up.
00:04:48I'm going to need a statement from you, in one for the box.
00:04:52Janice, don't you start.
00:04:54Start what? You're drunk.
00:05:03I need a lift.
00:05:05Do I look like a cabbie?
00:05:07Come on.
00:05:07This is public intoxication.
00:05:11Let me come home with you, then.
00:05:13It's not any funny business, I promise. I wanted to try it.
00:05:18Have a nice walk, Colin.
00:05:20Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I love you.
00:05:25Oh, miss your feet, my prattle of dreams, come share with me all of life's precious
00:05:39teeth.
00:05:44Alice.
00:05:46Alice.
00:05:47Alice.
00:05:47You stay right there.
00:05:48No, no, no.
00:05:49You need to come.
00:05:50What's happened?
00:05:50Ambulance.
00:05:51Call an ambulance.
00:05:51We tried to help her.
00:05:53Help who?
00:05:53We found her.
00:05:54We didn't do it.
00:05:55I said stay here!
00:06:00Call an ambulance, she's dying!
00:06:07Quebec Sierra 5-3. Urgent assistance needed.
00:06:10Hospital fatality in the cathedral grounds.
00:06:15Ziggy!
00:06:16I've got the police.
00:06:17Where is she?
00:06:20She's dead. She's dead.
00:06:25What was she?
00:06:33What was she?
00:06:36What was she?
00:06:55Ooooooh...
00:06:57Dig us up and hold us high
00:07:13Raise our cactus to the sky
00:07:18Wrap us up in sequence camp
00:07:23And we can dance again inside
00:07:28Just take my hand and be brave
00:07:34We'll stick it back to this grave
00:07:36The night we saw, so we rave
00:07:39We are upcycled and safe
00:07:41We've got the ace of control
00:07:44Surrender all self-control
00:07:46Quite now before the bell tolls
00:07:49We'll sing the sighs for their souls
00:07:52I'm walking amongst the ruins of an old cathedral
00:08:14Ancient archways and crumbling spires
00:08:19Emerging out of a cliff on the eastern edge of Scotland
00:08:22It's picturesque, like most of St. Andrews
00:08:27A charming and historic university town
00:08:30But I'm trying to imagine something much darker
00:08:34And more devastating
00:08:36Because on the 27th of June, 1996
00:08:41A 19-year-old barmaid named Rosemary Duff
00:08:45Was found here, strangled
00:08:47Cut across the stomach
00:08:48And left to bleed out into the grass
00:08:51Three boys that she knew were found leaving the scene
00:08:56Did they stumble across her on the way home
00:08:59From a party like they said they did?
00:09:01Were they covered in her blood
00:09:02Because they tried to save her life?
00:09:04Or was that all a clever cover story?
00:09:11It's now 25 years later
00:09:13And the murder remains unsolved
00:09:16I'm Belle Richmond
00:09:17This is Echoes, the Rosie Duff case
00:09:20And I'm here to ask
00:09:21Why?
00:09:23Why did they feel this young woman didn't deserve justice?
00:09:27This, this is what passes for journalism now, is it?
00:09:31A sultry voice and a bit of a jingle
00:09:33Her angle seems to be that the original investigation was negligent
00:09:37Victim blaming
00:09:38That because Rosie was out by herself in the early hours
00:09:41We didn't prioritize the case
00:09:43Well, you were there
00:09:44Is that true?
00:09:45Of course not
00:09:46But admittedly, it doesn't look good
00:09:49That we've never launched a review
00:09:51Because there's no new evidence
00:09:53We'd be going through the motions
00:09:55Because some woke millennials found a microphone
00:09:58Listen, we underestimate her
00:10:00Well, she gave them out hell
00:10:01Over a missing person's case
00:10:03And the Chief Constable doesn't want the same for us
00:10:05We have to stay ahead of her
00:10:07Right
00:10:08So I've got some poor sod on it
00:10:10For damage control
00:10:11With no hope of solving it
00:10:13It's good experience for a young detective
00:10:15And given the angle of the podcast
00:10:19I think it would help the optics
00:10:21If it was a female officer
00:10:23You got one of them?
00:10:38These farts are tiny
00:10:40There's no way he had 50k worth of stuff in there
00:10:44I see, I had no idea
00:10:45Yeah
00:10:46Women should be more vigilant
00:10:48I know you like him, sweetheart
00:10:51But you just make sure
00:10:52He's not hiding stolen iPads
00:10:54Under your floorboards
00:10:55Right
00:10:55Tracey, we're just here
00:10:58To get your witness statement
00:10:59It's not a good time
00:11:00Are you okay?
00:11:02Yeah
00:11:02No, no, I'm fine
00:11:06What is that noise?
00:11:10He's here
00:11:11We're back together
00:11:13Right
00:11:14But he came home drunk
00:11:16Right
00:11:17So I locked him out of the balcony
00:11:19Right, we're coming in now, Tracey
00:11:22Why don't we?
00:11:24Me and you have a chat
00:11:26In here
00:11:27I've changed my mind
00:11:28About testimony
00:11:28The police
00:11:29The police
00:11:30Come inside, please
00:11:31What's the police area?
00:11:32We've talked about this
00:11:33I love him
00:11:33I'm not going to help you put him away
00:11:35You will be an accessory
00:11:36To his crimes, Tracey
00:11:37I didn't know what he was doing
00:11:38You'll have to prove that in court
00:11:39Do you really want to go through
00:11:40All of that
00:11:41For him
00:11:41Right, why don't
00:11:47We go down to the station
00:11:49Tracey
00:11:49I'll let you talk about this
00:11:51No, I'm not going to do this
00:11:52Touch me
00:11:53Oh
00:11:54Oh
00:11:56Oh
00:11:57Oh
00:11:58Oh
00:11:59Oh
00:11:59Oh
00:12:00Oh
00:12:01Oh
00:12:02Oh
00:12:03Oh
00:12:04Oh
00:12:05Oh
00:12:06Oh
00:12:07Oh
00:12:08Oh
00:12:08Oh
00:12:08Oh
00:12:08Oh
00:12:08Oh
00:12:08Pop
00:12:16I need to be hosed down
00:12:19Mine's around the corner
00:12:22Got half a bottle of Echo Falls
00:12:24And some Bricardi Breezers
00:12:26What would I need a pub for?
00:12:30Just
00:12:31Approach the shower slowly
00:12:33Hasn't seen a naked man in some time
00:12:38Wait, you don't remember it?
00:12:43Wait, you don't remember it?
00:12:44No
00:12:45That hen party
00:12:46Yeah!
00:12:47They were all fighting each other
00:12:54Hair extensions flying
00:12:56Like I walked in, like
00:12:57I walked in first and I walked in first and I was screaming at the top of my lungs and they took no notice of me and then you walked in
00:13:02They thought I was a stripper
00:13:04No, they didn't
00:13:05Aye, they did
00:13:06No, whoa, one of them tried to ride me like a pony
00:13:10Best day of your life
00:13:11Well, today I got to wear your fun run t-shirt, so
00:13:16Well
00:13:16Well, take it off if you don't like it
00:13:18No
00:13:19No, you'd enjoy that too much
00:13:21It's pretty cocky for a man that smells like sick
00:13:25Are you serious?
00:13:27Nah
00:13:30Hey, you hear Serious Crime are putting together a case review team?
00:13:57No
00:13:58Unsolved murder from 96
00:14:01I've been waiting for this kind of opening
00:14:07I've been speaking to Lise for so long about DS positions, it's got to be me next
00:14:14And we've got up in the world
00:14:16Well, if everything goes to plan
00:14:19You don't want to be vommed on and humped by the riffraff for me anymore
00:14:24I mean, I hope not
00:14:26Who are you trying to get away from?
00:14:31Riffra for me
00:14:32What's the difference?
00:14:35Oh
00:14:35You're an arsehole, you know that
00:14:41Yeah
00:14:42But I think you like it
00:14:47And you're an arsehole, you're an arsehole that they're getting from me
00:15:10T.S.P.D.
00:15:25Oh!
00:15:28Yeah, fine.
00:15:33Fine.
00:15:35Okay.
00:15:37Wow.
00:15:40Great.
00:15:42Delighted.
00:15:43Just surprised you later.
00:15:45Thank you, sir.
00:15:47Speak to you soon.
00:15:51Is that Robertson?
00:15:57The Iles.
00:16:01Why was he calling?
00:16:07It's the review.
00:16:10Does he want to meet you?
00:16:15I'm running it.
00:16:19What?
00:16:21I'm running the review.
00:16:25Apparently.
00:16:27Apparently.
00:16:28I'm sorry.
00:16:32Don't.
00:16:33Don't.
00:16:34Don't be sorry.
00:16:35Don't.
00:16:36Don't.
00:16:37Don't be sorry.
00:16:38I don't understand this.
00:16:42It's fine.
00:16:43You're getting up and you're getting dressed so it doesn't seem that fine.
00:16:57Look, I'll speak to you later, okay?
00:16:58I just...
00:16:59I'll speak to you later, okay?
00:17:00I just...
00:17:01I need...
00:17:02I need...
00:17:03I need some air.
00:17:07I need some air.
00:17:08I need some air.
00:17:09I need some air.
00:17:10I need some air.
00:17:16I need some air.
00:17:17I need some air.
00:17:23I need some air.
00:17:30Nine out of ten murders are committed by men.
00:17:36Two women a week are killed by a current or ex-partner.
00:17:53One in three women will experience domestic abuse in their lifetime.
00:17:58Take that in.
00:18:01Every woman I know has accepted it as a fact that she should call a friend when she walks
00:18:06home at night.
00:18:07That she should placate and speak sweetly to men so as not to provoke violence.
00:18:13That she should have her keys ready between her knuckles.
00:18:17When are we going to admit that it's not enough?
00:18:21That it will never be enough?
00:18:23That we were never the problem?
00:18:26Rosie Duff had a sex life.
00:18:28She had secrets.
00:18:30She went out at night alone to meet someone.
00:18:33And...
00:18:34I...
00:18:35I think that's why the police gave up on her case so quickly.
00:18:39A woman who isn't doing everything in her power not to get murdered deserves what she gets.
00:18:45No.
00:18:46Rosie and all the Rosie's deserve better.
00:18:50We're friends.
00:18:51We spoke everyday.
00:18:52Friends who wanted to ride each other.
00:18:54Maybe after he got what he wanted.
00:18:56Or maybe he just really wanted that job.
00:18:59I have no idea why they gave it to me.
00:19:00Er...
00:19:01Because you're brilliant.
00:19:02Phil's brilliant.
00:19:03And he's got a better success straight than me.
00:19:04He's worked with things before.
00:19:05And he's been waiting longer to move up.
00:19:06So why did they give it to you?
00:19:07I'm joking.
00:19:08I did say you were brilliant first.
00:19:09I don't have a clue what I'm doing.
00:19:10Just pretend you do.
00:19:11Just pretend you do.
00:19:12Like everyone else.
00:19:14Oh...
00:19:15Oh!
00:19:16Hi-
00:19:17I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
00:19:18I'm sorry.
00:19:19I have no idea why they gave it to me.
00:19:20Er...
00:19:21Because you're brilliant.
00:19:22Phil's brilliant.
00:19:23And he's got a better success straight than me.
00:19:24He's worked with things before.
00:19:25And he's been waiting longer to move up.
00:19:26So, why did they give it to you?
00:19:27I'm joking.
00:19:28I did say you were brilliant first.
00:19:29I don't have a clue what I'm doing.
00:19:30Just pretend you do.
00:19:31Like everyone else.
00:19:32I don't know.
00:20:02Yes, Piri. D.I. Lees, welcome to Serious Crime. Happy to have you.
00:20:06Pleasure to be here, sir.
00:20:07Walk with me.
00:20:08I'll introduce you to the rest of the team, but first I want to get you briefed.
00:20:12We haven't got time to waste on this.
00:20:13No, I suppose it'll be. 26 years soon, eh?
00:20:17Yeah.
00:20:18I gather you're from Fife, Piri?
00:20:20Methyl, sir.
00:20:22You remember it, then? Rosie Duff murder.
00:20:24Would have been all over the news.
00:20:25I was three, sir.
00:20:27Three? Jesus.
00:20:29Well, at least you'll be up with all the podcasting nonsense, then.
00:20:31Yes, sir.
00:20:32Good. Ideally, we would have shut the whole thing down, but we don't have the power.
00:20:36So just watch her closely.
00:20:38If she oversteps the mark, then we can slap her with an injunction.
00:20:41Watch her closely. Got it.
00:20:42I've had all your files brought up, and I'm around if you need me, but I'm across six other investigations, so...
00:20:47Get on with it.
00:20:48Yeah. Get on with it, yeah.
00:20:50Sir.
00:20:51The team.
00:20:52Ah.
00:20:53Yeah, where is he?
00:20:56Mint!
00:20:58Mint!
00:20:58Oh, it's been so bad.
00:21:05Dears, Piri.
00:21:07DC Murray.
00:21:10There we are. There's your team.
00:21:12Constant updates, please.
00:21:18Murray. Mintz.
00:21:19Get it.
00:21:20Yeah, but the lads gave it to me.
00:21:22I was pushing for the machine.
00:21:23Wow.
00:21:25The machine.
00:21:26Well, I got the department record and the bleed test, but you don't get to choose your own.
00:21:30Oh, well, I get one.
00:21:31You've already got one.
00:21:33What is it?
00:21:35Hey, I don't think it was you, actually.
00:21:39Now, go on.
00:21:41Oh, it was something else.
00:21:41Right.
00:21:45Well, I'd quite like one.
00:21:47It's not been the greatest time to be called Karen.
00:21:51Is this the incident room?
00:21:55Have you listened to the podcast?
00:21:58Yeah, it's quite, um...
00:21:59It's quite feminist, eh?
00:22:02You don't like that?
00:22:03No, no, no.
00:22:03Absolutely.
00:22:04You know, do your thing.
00:22:05Fight the fight.
00:22:07Hmm.
00:22:08Well, I suppose we should start at the beginning.
00:22:14Who was at the crime scene?
00:22:19What was at the crime scene?
00:22:23And why?
00:22:25Oh, the ambulance is dying!
00:22:30You three come over here where I can see you!
00:22:36I'm a medical student.
00:22:51Can I help?
00:23:01You say you found her?
00:23:03Well, now we're home.
00:23:04Why did you leave?
00:23:08To find a phone.
00:23:09But you're a medic.
00:23:11Why didn't you stay with her?
00:23:12Why didn't one of the others go?
00:23:13I'm trying to be sussed through it, but I think she's gone.
00:23:37Have you got an ID?
00:23:37Rosie, Rosie, Duff, sir.
00:23:44Two of them were at the scene.
00:23:47One of them ran out right in front of my car.
00:23:50They said they found her, like, the one that left said he was running for help.
00:24:04Detain them, Jimmy.
00:24:06I've never seen anything.
00:24:10I've never seen anything.
00:24:18Keep it together, Johnny.
00:24:20For her.
00:24:22She was strangled.
00:24:24Look at yours.
00:24:25By hand.
00:24:26Is that who she died?
00:24:28The autopsy concluded that she was throttled until she was unconscious.
00:24:32That it was the stomach wound that killed her.
00:24:36She bled to death.
00:24:37Would have taken 20 minutes, maybe more.
00:24:40She's just lying there.
00:24:42Jesus, why do that?
00:24:43Cut across the stomach is such a slow death.
00:24:46And why leave her in the cathedral?
00:24:48I suppose a graveyard makes some sense.
00:24:51Nah.
00:24:53If you want to get rid of a body, you bury it.
00:24:56Dump it in the sea, burn it.
00:24:57You don't leave it in the middle of a tourist attraction right in the middle of summer.
00:25:02Unless you want someone to find it.
00:25:04You think that has some significance?
00:25:06Religious aspect?
00:25:07I don't know yet.
00:25:09What was the weapon?
00:25:10You think it was a kitchen knife?
00:25:12They didn't find it.
00:25:13No.
00:25:14Never.
00:25:15There was another thing.
00:25:17When they analysed Rosie's clothing, they found fibres from the interior carpet of a car.
00:25:23They moved the body.
00:25:24It's the second crime scene.
00:25:25But we don't know where.
00:25:29Okay.
00:25:30So, she's choked unconscious, moved by car, laid out in the graveyard and cut across the stomach.
00:25:37But there's no sign of a murder weapon when the police arrive.
00:25:41Or have you come.
00:25:41Can I have your names, please?
00:25:49Alex Gilby.
00:25:51He's Tom Mackey.
00:25:53And you?
00:25:54That's Sigmund Malkovich.
00:25:56I just want to go home.
00:25:57You need to speak to us.
00:25:57Where are the witnesses?
00:25:59Alex Gilby, Tom Mackey, Sigmund Malkovich.
00:26:01I'm detaining you under Section 14 of the Criminal Procedure Scotland Act 1995 for the murderer Rosie Duff.
00:26:07What?
00:26:07You're not obliged to say anything, but anything you do say may be noted in using evidence.
00:26:10No, you don't understand.
00:26:12We found her.
00:26:12We need to take you to station and question her.
00:26:14You said detain.
00:26:16You said detain.
00:26:18Wait, what are you doing?
00:26:21Don't make this harder than it needs to be.
00:26:23What are you?
00:26:26Stop it!
00:26:27What are you doing?
00:26:28Get off!
00:26:29What are you doing?
00:26:31Don't do anything!
00:26:34What are you doing?
00:26:36Stop it!
00:26:41Listen.
00:26:42We didn't see her tonight.
00:26:44We don't know her.
00:26:45Okay?
00:26:47We didn't see her.
00:26:48Don't know her.
00:26:50Can you hear me weird?
00:26:53Are you getting this?
00:26:55I don't see her.
00:26:57Don't know her.
00:26:59Because they were never charged with the murder, legally I cannot name the three students that
00:27:06were at the scene of the crime.
00:27:08So instead I will be giving them aliases.
00:27:11The historian.
00:27:12Because he was a history student, an eccentric by all accounts, a party boy with a penchant
00:27:20of drugs, who was suspended from St. Andrews several times, only to become a university lecturer
00:27:27lecturer himself later.
00:27:28He could be teaching you, or your child, or your sister, or your sister, right now.
00:27:36Then there's the artist, the hardest of the three to research.
00:27:41He has no social media presence, barely any internet footprint at all.
00:27:46Everyone has a right to privacy, but it does prompt the question.
00:27:53Does he have something to hide?
00:27:55And then the medic, now a celebrated surgeon, people put their lives in his hands every day.
00:28:06Me, he's been described as a prolific man, an incessant perfectionist, a workaholic.
00:28:12He's doing a lot of good in the world, and for that we should be thankful.
00:28:19But I have to ask what's driving him, is it guilt?
00:28:49So, we could only hold the boys for six hours, so they interviewed them immediately.
00:29:19Zygmunt Malkiewicz, is that right?
00:29:24Polish, is it?
00:29:26It's Ziggy.
00:29:27Ziggy, right.
00:29:30Well, I'm Detective Inspector McLennan, this is Detective Sergeant Lawson, and we're going
00:29:35to have a wee chat about what happened tonight, hmm?
00:29:39So, shall we start at the beginning?
00:29:41We were just walking home from a party, and we found her.
00:29:49That's not the beginning, though, is it?
00:29:51We watched the match.
00:29:53Where?
00:29:55At the...
00:29:56The Lammas pub.
00:30:00Which is where Rosie worked.
00:30:02Yeah.
00:30:03I guess so.
00:30:04And did you see her there?
00:30:05It was really busy.
00:30:10Is that a yes or a no?
00:30:13Just from afar.
00:30:16Did your friends?
00:30:20They might have.
00:30:20Have you ever spoken to her?
00:30:25I've ordered drinks from her.
00:30:26So you knew her?
00:30:27No.
00:30:36What time did you leave the Lammas?
00:30:40Um, uh...
00:30:4210.30, 11-ish.
00:30:45Where'd you go?
00:30:47To a party.
00:30:48Whose party?
00:30:50Some, um...
00:30:52Some fourth years.
00:30:53And where was this party?
00:30:54I, um...
00:30:58I, uh...
00:31:00I don't know.
00:31:01What time did you get to the party?
00:31:04I'm not sure.
00:31:06Well, how long did you stay at the party?
00:31:08Until we walked home.
00:31:09Which was at what time?
00:31:17I'm sorry, what?
00:31:19You want something, Tom?
00:31:20No.
00:31:21We'll be testing you, so you might want to be honest.
00:31:24What was this party at Scooney Hill Lane?
00:31:35At this address?
00:31:42He seems to think it happened at the party.
00:31:44It is a big house.
00:31:45It's an abandoned manor.
00:31:47Old, dilapidated.
00:31:48So, plenty of places to sneak away at it.
00:31:51Have Serex, do drugs, or, you know, kill someone.
00:31:55I think that at the pub, you invited her to the party.
00:32:00You wrote the address down here for her.
00:32:01She turned up and something went very, very wrong.
00:32:04No, she never came.
00:32:05So you did invite her, but she didn't turn up.
00:32:07That doesn't feel very likely, Ziggy.
00:32:09I mean, you invited this girl to a party, and then we find your friends with her body,
00:32:14and you trying to flee the scene covered in blood.
00:32:16No, I was, I was getting help.
00:32:18And then you'd hide evidence.
00:32:20I, I didn't.
00:32:22It, it fell out of her pocket when I was helping her.
00:32:26I didn't realise I still had it on me.
00:32:28So you dropped it and obscured it?
00:32:29Because I thought it would look bad.
00:32:31This looks very bad, Ziggy.
00:32:33And your story is, you invite her to the party.
00:32:36She doesn't turn up.
00:32:37And you just happen to stumble across her on the way home.
00:32:42Except the cathedral isn't on your way home, Ziggy, is it?
00:32:44It adds a good ten minutes to your journey.
00:32:48Sometimes we just walk that way.
00:32:51I don't know.
00:32:51You do know, Ziggy.
00:32:53You took her there.
00:32:54Either dead or alive, you took her there.
00:32:57No.
00:32:57Something happened at that party.
00:32:59Someone else did this.
00:33:00Were you sleeping with her?
00:33:01No.
00:33:02Did you want to?
00:33:03No.
00:33:03Maybe she resisted and you didn't like that.
00:33:05No.
00:33:05Maybe it was one of your friends.
00:33:07No.
00:33:07Maybe they did this and you helped cover it up.
00:33:09No.
00:33:09Why did you kill her, Ziggy?
00:33:11Why did you strangle her?
00:33:12I didn't.
00:33:13One of you did.
00:33:14No.
00:33:14Oh, did you rape her?
00:33:16Didn't want her to tell anyone?
00:33:17No.
00:33:18Maybe you argued, huh?
00:33:19Your hands went up to her neck.
00:33:21No, I swear.
00:33:22Did she do to get you so mad, Ziggy?
00:33:24Nothing.
00:33:25She must have wound you up somehow.
00:33:27No.
00:33:30I didn't know her.
00:33:33I didn't see her.
00:33:37I didn't kill her.
00:33:41He's missing two things.
00:33:43Murder weapon and a second crime scene.
00:33:45Is there any witness accounts that plays Rosie at the party?
00:33:48They interviewed everyone and nobody saw her.
00:33:50But they must have searched it, top to bottom.
00:33:53Yeah, they did.
00:33:54Didn't find anything.
00:33:55Not a single hair, a drop of blood or any sign of a murder weapon.
00:34:00Could we go?
00:34:01Since been demolished.
00:34:03Brilliant.
00:34:03Right.
00:34:04So, the last place she was seen was...
00:34:08CCTV.
00:34:10On the high street at midnight.
00:34:19See?
00:34:20She ducks.
00:34:20Doesn't want to be seen.
00:34:22Iona, her friend, said that she left the pub to meet someone.
00:34:25One of these students.
00:34:27Rosie didn't tell her.
00:34:28She didn't tell anyone.
00:34:30Why?
00:34:30Probably her brothers.
00:34:33Colin and Brian Duff.
00:34:34Both extremely protective.
00:34:36And they were there that night?
00:34:37Mm.
00:34:38Both tough bastards.
00:34:39Criminal records, drunk driving, assault.
00:34:43Did she have sex?
00:34:45There's signs in post-mortem.
00:34:47But no semen.
00:34:49So, condom or didn't finish?
00:34:51Or she could have been interrupted.
00:34:54Signs of assault, right?
00:34:55Nothing definitive.
00:34:57It could have just been rough sex.
00:35:00But look, this is interesting.
00:35:04She's caught right across the abdomen.
00:35:05No, look below.
00:35:06She has a cesarean skirt across her lower stomach.
00:35:09It's barely mentioned in the reports.
00:35:11Rosie had a baby.
00:35:13But there's no mention of when it happened, what happened to it, or who the father was.
00:35:17Surely an ex would be the first place she'd look.
00:35:20Why didn't they investigate it?
00:35:21I don't know.
00:35:23But maybe the brothers can shine a light.
00:35:26So, get across the forensics tonight.
00:35:30Tonight.
00:35:33Yeah, well, we'll go and see the Duffs tomorrow.
00:35:37Right, okay.
00:35:39Have you got somewhere to be?
00:35:41Just a head class.
00:35:44Right, well, I could put one box on one side of the room and one on the other, and you could run between them if you like.
00:35:49And try and beat your time, if you can play some bleeps if you like.
00:35:51Yeah, okay, okay.
00:35:52Yeah, because it's something really good at the bleep test.
00:35:55Yeah, I'll do more homework.
00:35:57It was one of the first things that you said to me, actually.
00:35:59Hey.
00:36:26Hey.
00:36:26How's it going?
00:36:30They're all right.
00:36:33She's not going to text her back then.
00:36:38I'm sorry, KP.
00:36:41I'm really sorry.
00:36:43I keep writing things and then deleting them.
00:36:46I've been trying to find the right words.
00:36:49What?
00:36:50Anything would have been better than nothing.
00:36:52I know.
00:36:56We've known each other too long to be falling out over a job.
00:37:05I get it now.
00:37:06It should be you on this job.
00:37:08It's frightening it's you.
00:37:10What do you mean?
00:37:11I spoke to Lise about it and he explained everything.
00:37:16Explain what?
00:37:17Just what, you know, with the podcast.
00:37:21All the accusations she's making out against the police about gender violence.
00:37:25And, you know, it's appropriate that they've got...
00:37:28Sergeant, wait.
00:37:32Are you saying they put me on this because I'm a woman?
00:37:37Not just that.
00:37:39And that you've all been talking about it?
00:37:41Saying that a female has to be on this because it'll look better?
00:37:44It's not a bad thing, Karen.
00:37:48There's a bunch of mediocre white men in the building that get promoted all the time.
00:37:52Who cares why we move up?
00:37:54It's always we're moving up.
00:37:55I care, Phil.
00:37:57Because I don't want to be walking around this office with men thinking that I'm a fraud with a bit of tits.
00:38:00No one thinks that, Karen.
00:38:03Jesus, everyone knows you're a good detective.
00:38:05And a walking-talking PR win for the service.
00:38:10But I'm not the enemy here, Karen.
00:38:12No.
00:38:13But you still agree with them.
00:38:15Well, the files won't tell you, but Facebook will.
00:38:37Is that PC Janice Hogg married Colin Duff in 2001.
00:38:42PC Hogg is in from this investigation.
00:38:44The one that found Rosie.
00:38:46And Rosie's brother.
00:38:48Small towns are small tits.
00:38:51Murder cases aren't very sensitive.
00:38:55They moved into the old Duff family home after Rosie's dad died.
00:39:08Hello.
00:39:10Janice.
00:39:12Oh, no.
00:39:14Oh, what have my boys done, though?
00:39:17It's, uh, it isn't about your boys, Archie.
00:39:22May we come in?
00:39:25Aye.
00:39:26Aye, of course.
00:39:27Come on.
00:39:36To your coffee?
00:39:37No, thank you.
00:39:38No, thank you.
00:39:49We're taking it seriously then.
00:39:52Giving it to some kids.
00:39:55We're taking it very seriously, Mr. Duff.
00:39:58I'm D.S.
00:40:01I'm D.S.
00:40:01Geron Perry.
00:40:02This is D.C.
00:40:02Murray.
00:40:07I'm sorry, Archie.
00:40:09Thinking about Eileen.
00:40:10Let her down.
00:40:14Lost her baby.
00:40:18Like this happened to her poor baby.
00:40:20It's no your fault, Archie.
00:40:23It's no...
00:40:25She'd know that.
00:40:28We've detained three people for questioning.
00:40:31Who?
00:40:32I can't tell you any more than that at this stage.
00:40:35You have to.
00:40:37Who?
00:40:40I promise I will keep you updated as and when.
00:40:43Update us now!
00:40:45If you don't, we'll find out somehow.
00:40:46Damn it!
00:40:47Just let Barney do his job.
00:40:59Colin, we're going to want to talk to you and Brian about where you were last night.
00:41:05What do you mean?
00:41:06We just like your recollections from the night.
00:41:10You're going to make us go through all this again?
00:41:13I'm sorry, I wish I didn't have to.
00:41:17I'm sorry.
00:41:22Started in the pub.
00:41:23Both of us.
00:41:25Rosie was behind the bar.
00:41:28She left at some point and...
00:41:30and we never noticed.
00:41:36Brian went off with some girl.
00:41:40Said he'd come back and get us after he was done.
00:41:42When the pub emptied out, that's when I noticed she wasn't there.
00:41:50I asked Iona where she'd gone.
00:41:52She said she didn't know.
00:41:55Maybe she'd popped out.
00:41:59What time was it?
00:42:02About half two.
00:42:03Iona gave us the keys and said I could wait in the pub until Brian or Rosie turned up.
00:42:14Only they never did.
00:42:15I fell asleep in this girl's bed.
00:42:20I wish I had me.
00:42:23Every day I wish I had me.
00:42:28Wish I'd never gone well.
00:42:32How long are you in the house?
00:42:35Till we in the morning...
00:42:37came back to my dad crying.
00:42:41I've never seen him cry before.
00:42:42Iona said that Rosie went to meet some mum.
00:42:53But didn't know who.
00:42:57We know who it was.
00:42:59You do?
00:43:00Of course we do.
00:43:01I saw him talking to her that night.
00:43:03Little dark-haired one.
00:43:05Pathetic.
00:43:06Ziggy Malkovich?
00:43:07He was inviting her to the party.
00:43:10Wait.
00:43:11Why am I explaining this to you?
00:43:15You know all this.
00:43:16It's in the files.
00:43:16It's been there for 25 years.
00:43:19We're going to talk to Dr Malkovich as soon as we can.
00:43:27Mr Duff, we noticed from the forensic reports that Rosie had a caesarean scar on her stomach.
00:43:34Did Rosie have a child?
00:43:35Don't see how this is relevant.
00:43:36There just wasn't much information on the reports.
00:43:39All right.
00:43:39That's enough.
00:43:40Time to go.
00:43:41Colin.
00:43:42They don't know what they're doing.
00:43:43I'm sorry, Mr Duff.
00:43:44Go on.
00:43:44Get out!
00:43:45Get out of my house!
00:43:50We're sorry to take up so much of your time.
00:43:51Call the pathologist, Jan.
00:44:00Time to expedite the post-mortem.
00:44:02We've got to let those boys go in a few hours.
00:44:05We need every bit of help we can get.
00:44:06Yes, Pity.
00:44:15Sorry.
00:44:17The baby didn't survive.
00:44:20A day or two, maybe.
00:44:22Oh.
00:44:23I'm sorry.
00:44:26The father was a local boy.
00:44:28John Stobie.
00:44:29Just some kid from a class at school.
00:44:31Well, did you ever take a look into him?
00:44:36It was at university somewhere, I think.
00:44:41He had nothing to do with it.
00:44:42It's a dead end.
00:44:46Thanks, Janice.
00:44:47I appreciate it.
00:45:06Well, I didn't quite soil myself, but I was close.
00:45:16Call Register House, will you?
00:45:19See if you can get a birth certificate for Rosie's baby.
00:45:22And a death certificate, too.
00:45:24We need to know what happened.
00:45:27And see if you can track down a John Stobie.
00:45:29I'm in now.
00:45:36Yeah, sorry.
00:45:37I'm sweating for my heart rate to come down.
00:45:47Dr. Markovich.
00:45:49DS Karen Perry.
00:45:50Would you like a drink, Karen?
00:45:56Surgery always makes me thirsty.
00:45:59Sure.
00:46:03I'm sorry.
00:46:04Just, you're in there, uh, six, eight hours and the focus gets you through, but then you
00:46:09come out and you realise you haven't eaten anything since last night and you can't remember
00:46:13the last time you had a glass of water.
00:46:14Well, I'd be a bit worried if my surgeon was that dehydrated.
00:46:21Well, if I pass out, he'll just stick an IV straight into me.
00:46:26It's a joke.
00:46:28I know what I'm doing in there.
00:46:31Hi.
00:46:33You haven't returned any of my calls.
00:46:35Well, I don't really have to talk to you.
00:46:37This is just a courtesy.
00:46:38Well, then, I will offer you a courtesy right back.
00:46:42I've been listening to your initial interview from 1996.
00:46:45I wanted to give you the opportunity to add anything you may have missed out.
00:46:49Missed out?
00:46:51Well, it's been a long time.
00:46:53Perspective can change things.
00:46:55No, nothing's changed.
00:46:57You stand by your testimony.
00:46:58You saw Rosie in the pub and then you found her at the cathedral.
00:47:02That's right.
00:47:05I've been speaking to the Duff brothers.
00:47:06Well, you can immediately discount anything they have to say.
00:47:09That's very convenient.
00:47:09They seem pretty sure you were involved with their sister.
00:47:12They're a pair of vicious thugs.
00:47:15Rosie was terrified of them.
00:47:16They controlled her life.
00:47:17And how do you know that?
00:47:18Well, everyone knew that.
00:47:22Right.
00:47:25But you did know her, didn't you?
00:47:26You were seeing her, weren't you?
00:47:28I'm gay, Detective.
00:47:31Married now.
00:47:32Happily to a man.
00:47:33You ever have relationships with women?
00:47:40Well, there was a time when I was working myself out.
00:47:42Rosie involved in that?
00:47:43No.
00:47:48You know, I don't think I want to talk to you anymore.
00:47:51Not without a lawyer.
00:47:52Yeah.
00:47:52Yeah.
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00:48:32Oh, sorry.
00:48:34Huh?
00:48:35No, I'll give a look for you.
00:48:36Anything you can do here?
00:48:37Yes.
00:48:38No, I can't...
00:48:39Really.
00:48:40There.
00:48:41No, I'll give it back, I'll see you later.
00:48:42I'll give it back for you.
00:48:43Yeah, let's go.
00:48:44I'll give it back for you, I'll give it back for you.
00:48:46No, I'll give it back for you, you can see everyone in the
00:48:48front row.
00:48:49You, too.
00:48:50Yeah, that's good.
00:48:51Come on.
00:48:52Thanks.
00:48:53Thank you, I know.
00:48:54It was that part of it.
00:48:55I was going to take the car off it.
00:48:56I was going to take it.
00:48:57It was that part of it.
00:48:58It was good.
00:48:59Right, nothing incriminating in the student's house or the party house.
00:49:12And all three boys are maintaining their innocence.
00:49:15You don't think we have enough to charge?
00:49:17No, not yet.
00:49:19Release them, but we'll keep eyes on them.
00:49:21Sir, how can we release them?
00:49:23They are still under investigation, Janice.
00:49:27We've got to let them go.
00:49:29We've got to let them go.
00:49:59We've got to let them go.
00:50:18Registered house just sent over a burst picket for Rosie's baby.
00:50:21Is there a father in there?
00:50:22Printing now.
00:50:22Orla Rose Duff, born August 21st, 93.
00:50:33No dad.
00:50:40Zoom in to that part.
00:50:42Adopted?
00:50:53Who can she be adopted if she only lived a day or two?
00:50:58Maybe she didn't die.
00:51:01But that means Rosie lied to everyone.
00:51:03Why?
00:51:16B.S.
00:51:16Karen Perry.
00:51:17Hi.
00:51:18John Stobie.
00:51:20I mean, I knew her.
00:51:24We were friends when we were away.
00:51:27You never had a relationship with her?
00:51:29Not even close.
00:51:31We used to walk home from school together.
00:51:33Sometimes.
00:51:34That was the extent of it.
00:51:37Did you ever sleep with her?
00:51:39Never.
00:51:39Is this from her brothers?
00:51:54I don't really know where it came from or why.
00:51:59I just remember one day they were waiting outside school for me.
00:52:06Followed me halfway home.
00:52:10Then, when there was no one around,
00:52:13they jumped me.
00:52:16Battered me.
00:52:18Black and blue.
00:52:21Did they say why?
00:52:23They said I'd slept with Rosie.
00:52:27Got her pregnant.
00:52:29You wouldn't believe me when I said it wasn't true.
00:52:32Did you talk to Rosie about it?
00:52:35I stayed far away from her after that.
00:52:40They broke my nose.
00:52:43Collarbone.
00:52:46Couple of ribs.
00:52:50I'm so sorry.
00:52:52It's a long time ago now.
00:52:56I have always wondered, though,
00:52:58why me?
00:53:02Why did she tell them it was me?
00:53:07It sounds as though she was protecting someone else.
00:53:09I have always wondered, though.
00:53:10I have always wondered, though.
00:53:10I have always wondered, though.
00:53:11I have always wondered, though.
00:53:11I have always wondered, though.
00:53:12I have always wondered, though.
00:53:12I have always wondered, though.
00:53:13I have always wondered, though.
00:53:14I have always wondered, though.
00:53:15I have always wondered, though.
00:53:16I have always wondered, though.
00:53:17I have always wondered, though.
00:53:18I have always wondered, though.
00:53:19I have always wondered, though.
00:53:20I have always wondered, though.
00:53:21I have always wondered, though.
00:53:22I have always wondered, though.
00:53:23I have always wondered, though.
00:53:24I have always wondered, though.
00:53:25I have always wondered, though.
00:53:26I have always wondered, though.
00:53:27I have always wondered, though.
00:53:28I have always wondered, though.
00:53:29I have always wondered, though.
00:53:30You okay?
00:53:32Yeah.
00:53:34Yeah.
00:53:36What was it?
00:53:38Did you dream I cheated on you or did you leave by a gun?
00:53:42No.
00:53:44I don't know.
00:53:46I don't know.
00:53:48I don't know.
00:53:50I don't know.
00:53:52I don't know.
00:53:54I don't know.
00:53:56I don't know.
00:53:58Come on.
00:54:02It's so much worse.
00:54:04Everything's gonna be okay.
00:54:10Say it again.
00:54:12Everything is going to be okay.
00:54:28Sir.
00:54:30Sir.
00:54:32Thanks for taking the time.
00:54:34Not at all.
00:54:36Been looking forward to meeting you, Cal.
00:54:40DCS Lawson was there the first time around, so it'll be an invaluable source for you.
00:54:46Thank you, sir.
00:54:48Rosie's baby.
00:54:50Getting straight into it, I see.
00:54:52There's barely any mention of it in the files.
00:54:54There's a brief reference to it in the post-mortem, but no further details.
00:54:58Why?
00:55:00Well, D.I. McLennan was very good friends with Rosie's father, Archie.
00:55:04He wanted it kept out the reports as much as possible.
00:55:06She was 15 when she got pregnant.
00:55:10He didn't want people finding out judging her for being so young.
00:55:14Right.
00:55:16Why wouldn't you look into who the father was?
00:55:18The family answered that for us.
00:55:20John Stobbe?
00:55:22A local boy, as far as I remember.
00:55:24Rosie told her family the baby died.
00:55:28It didn't.
00:55:30There's no death certificate.
00:55:32We've checked.
00:55:38It was adopted.
00:55:40And that local boy, I've spoken to him.
00:55:42He can't be the father because he never slept with her.
00:55:44How do you know he's telling the truth?
00:55:46Have you looked into him as a suspect?
00:55:47He's got a solid alibi for the night she died.
00:55:49He was away at Leeds at university.
00:55:51There's no way he could have killed her.
00:55:53And the important thing here is...
00:55:54Our child was still alive.
00:55:55And we don't know who the father was.
00:55:57No.
00:55:58I don't think that's important.
00:55:59A relationship from three years previous.
00:56:01How's it connected?
00:56:02The lies?
00:56:03Why would she hide it?
00:56:04Because she was 15, that's why.
00:56:06Why would you cover up who the father was?
00:56:07Maybe he was 17.
00:56:08And knew the family would press charges.
00:56:10We should be looking into that.
00:56:12I'd like to go to child services.
00:56:14Hang on a second.
00:56:15That way, I can trace the child.
00:56:16These things are sensitive.
00:56:17I can ask her to take a DNA test.
00:56:18The Duff family would strongly disagree with that.
00:56:19And that way, it could probably find the father.
00:56:21Piri!
00:56:22Tracing adopted children should always, always be the last resort.
00:56:29We can't just go marching into people's lives causing chaos.
00:56:32These things, they have to be properly considered.
00:56:34This person could be living a perfectly happy life,
00:56:36completely unaware that their birth mother was murdered,
00:56:38and that that murder remains unsolved.
00:56:41But, sir...
00:56:42No.
00:56:46No.
00:56:47We are already under the microscope.
00:56:49Anything we do, any slip-up.
00:56:50It'll be...
00:56:51Podcasted and bloody message-forumed all over the internet.
00:56:53Oh, sir, that's...
00:56:54Well, Elise is right, Karen.
00:56:56We have to tread gently.
00:56:58Well, it's good to know that we have that option,
00:57:00should all other avenues be exhausted.
00:57:03Have you considered the possibility that one of the students
00:57:08could have been the father?
00:57:10They weren't in St Andrews yet?
00:57:11No.
00:57:12But two of them lived in Kirkcaldy.
00:57:14Only half an hour away.
00:57:16And they were older than her.
00:57:18As Elise says, that would give her a good reason to hide it.
00:57:24I'll look into it, sir.
00:57:27Dude.
00:57:30Good work, Sergeant.
00:57:31We could have done with some of that thinking first time around.
00:57:42All right, quick as you can.
00:57:45I've been hassling forensics for the report.
00:57:47Any luck?
00:57:48Not yet, but they've given us a heads-up.
00:57:49They've found a certain type of fibre all over Rosie's clothes.
00:57:52It needs further tests,
00:57:53but they reckon they're from carpet and found in a car.
00:57:56What, over everything?
00:58:00She was lying on the carpet, probably in the boot.
00:58:05She was moved.
00:58:08Do the students have any access to a vehicle?
00:58:10I can find out.
00:58:15We need to move the car.
00:58:17How are we going to do that?
00:58:19They're going to be watching us.
00:58:21We don't know that.
00:58:22That's what they do, they monitor you.
00:58:23It's not worth the risk, Sig. We just got out.
00:58:25Yeah, but think about how bad it would be if they find it.
00:58:27Where did you leave it, Weird?
00:58:40I'm not sure.
00:58:42How can you not be sure?
00:58:44I was off my face, Siggy.
00:58:45You shouldn't have been driving.
00:58:46Jeez, arrest me.
00:58:52Right, the girl.
00:58:53The one you're driving home, where does she live?
00:58:57We'll call her.
00:58:58I can't.
00:58:59They'll be listening on the phone.
00:59:00Don't be stupid!
00:59:01And I don't have her number.
00:59:02Where are the keys?
00:59:04I think I left them in there.
00:59:05Right, so that's one smart thing that you did.
00:59:16I just want to go home.
00:59:19But they said that we can go back to Kirkcaldy.
00:59:23You can go to Weird's.
00:59:25And I'll stay here tonight.
00:59:26And do what?
00:59:27I'll go out after dark to find the car.
00:59:29And I'll move it.
00:59:31I'll take it back.
00:59:38Did you hear about that case?
00:59:39Where someone threw a brick off an overpass and it smashed through the windscreen and killed the driver?
00:59:43No.
00:59:44What?
00:59:45What?
00:59:46They found traces of DNA on the brick and then they traced him through an Ancestry website.
00:59:50Oh.
00:59:51And didn't you?
00:59:52No.
00:59:53Go on some dates with that guy from that site.
00:59:54What was his name?
00:59:55Rob and I am not going back there.
00:59:57Hear me out.
00:59:58What?
00:59:59What?
01:00:00What?
01:00:01What?
01:00:02There's a story there.
01:00:03Something is up.
01:00:04But Lise and Lossom won't let me go to child services to find out where she is.
01:00:08So you want to go to whatsmyheritage.com?
01:00:10That's what it's called.
01:00:11I know it sounds mad, but loads of people use them now.
01:00:17And they have these huge DNA banks that might be bigger than the police's.
01:00:22I don't see how this connects.
01:00:23Say you're adopted, like Rosie's child was.
01:00:26You'd probably be quite interested in finding out who your long lost family were.
01:00:30You'd sign up to a site like that and send in your DNA.
01:00:34So you want to send Rosie's DNA in?
01:00:37Yeah.
01:00:38See if there's any matches.
01:00:39If I can find the kids, then I can find the father, Rosie's ex.
01:00:43Then I can find out what Rosie was hiding.
01:00:45The only problem is, they don't open up their databases to just anyone.
01:00:50No.
01:00:51Oh, come on!
01:00:52I thought you late, Rob.
01:00:53I did.
01:00:54If anything, too much.
01:00:56It was...
01:00:57intense.
01:00:59Doesn't so bad.
01:01:01He sexted me all the time.
01:01:03Non-stop.
01:01:04I honestly ran out of things to say.
01:01:06I ran out of...
01:01:08Angles.
01:01:11It was exhausting.
01:01:13It had to end.
01:01:14Come on.
01:01:15Take one for the team.
01:01:16It's poking a bear, Karen.
01:01:18A horny bear.
01:01:20Okay.
01:01:22Will you just think about it?
01:01:23Fine.
01:01:24I mean, I do feel for you, this podcast lady.
01:01:27What do you mean?
01:01:28On Twitter.
01:01:29She's always riling everyone up.
01:01:30Look at this.
01:01:31Fife police.
01:01:33Victim shaming.
01:01:34And a video.
01:01:35What video?
01:01:36What video?
01:01:37In light of these events, I would like to ask the women, particularly the young women of
01:01:44St. Andrews and the surrounding areas, to be particularly vigilant.
01:01:48I would also advise against venturing outdoors alone after dark.
01:01:53And you should also make sure that someone knows where you are at all times.
01:01:56If at any point you feel threatened or see anything out of the ordinary, please contact the police straight away.
01:02:03Any further questions?
01:02:04Your warning implies that it's up to the women of St. Andrews to keep themselves safe.
01:02:10I just want to take any measures we can, combined with excellent policing, to keep our daughters, granddaughters, sisters out of harm's way.
01:02:22You detained three people and have since released them. Is that not putting the women of this town in more danger?
01:02:26As is law in Scotland, an arrest cannot be made without sufficient evidence.
01:02:30Inquiries are ongoing.
01:02:31Can you reveal their names?
01:02:33Not until they are charged, if they are charged.
01:02:35So you'll protect them, but not the women of St. Andrews?
01:02:38We are doing everything in our power to bring Rosie's killer to justice.
01:02:41If anyone out there knows anything, anything at all, please do not hesitate to get in touch.
01:03:08When we do not stand a moment, we will do it, but don't get there.
01:03:15Are you ready to wait for the next day?
01:03:17Are you ready to be for your choice?
01:03:19Do you need to go to the north?
01:03:21No, no, no.
01:03:22Indeed, yes.
01:03:23Do you want to talk to me, because the men are white?
01:03:24Do you want to make your choice?
01:03:25No.
01:03:26Do you want to have to have a new conc Scorpio?
01:03:27I am80, I am80.
01:03:28Do you want to be a new conc Scorpio?
01:03:29Apparently all the rooms have jacuzzi baths.
01:03:35Heard them again, Murray.
01:03:40You looking for me?
01:03:42Bell Richmond.
01:03:43Thought so. You don't look like golf tourists.
01:03:46DS Perry. This is DC Murray.
01:03:49An expensive place to stay for a couple of weeks.
01:03:52Yeah, I'm lucky.
01:03:53They've been so supportive.
01:03:54The hotel.
01:03:55The chain.
01:03:56They sponsor us.
01:03:58Great business op.
01:04:00Dead girl.
01:04:02Oh, this is off the record, by the way.
01:04:05I won't use any of it on the podcast.
01:04:06That's right.
01:04:15Just need to be sure.
01:04:18I'm delighted you're reopening the case.
01:04:21Oh, you are?
01:04:22Seems sceptical of the place on the podcast.
01:04:25I have to ask questions.
01:04:26Well, sometimes those questions aren't very helpful.
01:04:30Well, I think the Duff family want them answered.
01:04:35Can't stop your reporting.
01:04:36We both know that.
01:04:37Why would you?
01:04:39Think the pressure helped?
01:04:40Very sure of your opinions.
01:04:41You can't think the original investigation was well run.
01:04:45I don't think you know much about the original investigation.
01:04:47I know they haven't re-examined the case for a quarter of a century.
01:04:55Not only are they supposed to review these things every few years.
01:04:57Why didn't they?
01:05:01Until I came along?
01:05:05Mistakes were made.
01:05:06I am correcting them now.
01:05:08Well, I'd like to help you.
01:05:11I have done a lot of research.
01:05:16Spent weeks on my hands and knees in people's attics going through old boxes of photos.
01:05:22Yearbooks.
01:05:23Track down friends of Rosie's.
01:05:24Well, we'll take a look at all of that.
01:05:27Oh, no.
01:05:28I'm not sure of that.
01:05:28You wouldn't want to withhold evidence, would you?
01:05:34No, of course not.
01:05:47Great.
01:05:50Great.
01:05:52Jesus Christ.
01:05:53I need to protect my sources.
01:05:56So you won't be able to take any of it away with you.
01:05:58I'd love to supervise.
01:06:01Yeah.
01:06:02No problem.
01:06:04Mario's day.
01:06:07Hey, so...
01:06:09Can I just have a minute with you, Soge?
01:06:20Are you camera serious?
01:06:21We need to know what she has, so we can be one step ahead.
01:06:24She's got 18 boxes of flipping nothing.
01:06:26Well, then, you've had a nice date in a hotel room with a charming lady.
01:06:29You're not staying?
01:06:30No.
01:06:31I'll kill her.
01:06:32Oh, she's going to grill me all day.
01:06:34And you can't say a thing?
01:06:35Oh, you'll kill me.
01:06:36Correct.
01:06:39Oh, worry.
01:06:39Don't get in the jacuzzi bath.
01:06:46The person you've called is not available.
01:06:48Please leave your message.
01:06:50Hi, Mr Mackey.
01:06:52This is DS Karen Perry here again.
01:06:54I'm just wondering if we can get a moment of your time.
01:06:56I want to let you know we are re-examining the Rosie Duff case, and I'd like to speak to you about your recollections of that.
01:07:03That's what I'm going to do.
01:07:04Yeah.
01:07:05Yeah.
01:07:05So, would you like to have a look at your baby?
01:07:32Oh, my God.
01:08:02Look after yourself, okay?
01:08:06I'll be back in Kirkcaldy tomorrow.
01:08:11Love you, bro.
01:08:12I don't know.
01:08:23I don't know.
01:08:23I don't know.
01:08:24I don't know.
01:08:25I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
01:08:55young women in the cathedral grounds in the early hours of yesterday morning.
01:09:00The woman, identified by the police as people in the dump, was discovered.
01:09:11So, why this case? Anyway, it doesn't sound like you're from round here.
01:09:14I went to St Andrew's.
01:09:18People would always talk about it, you know.
01:09:21Someone knew someone who knew Rosie,
01:09:23someone's girlfriend was living in a three-students' house.
01:09:26Someone had a rumour about how he really did it.
01:09:28Who was that, then?
01:09:32Could save me some time.
01:09:33Trust me, I went down those roads, so I didn't need anywhere.
01:09:40So.
01:09:41Why podcasting, then? What got you into that?
01:09:45Are you asking me questions so I don't ask anything of you?
01:09:49Er, absolutely.
01:09:52Sneaky.
01:09:53Doesn't mean I'm not interested.
01:09:56Er.
01:09:59It's just a really direct way of telling a story.
01:10:03Yeah, I like that people who maybe wouldn't read the paper or a long piece online might tune in.
01:10:09I guess that's me, then. I'll listen to it in the gym.
01:10:12As long as you're listening, I don't mind where.
01:10:14Okay, my turn.
01:10:19What sort of physical evidence?
01:10:23No, no, no.
01:10:25Gonna have to try harder than that.
01:10:26Mr. Gilday.
01:10:34Hi, just thought I'd try you again.
01:10:36It's D.S. Karen Perry here.
01:10:39Would you really appreciate a chat, if possible?
01:10:41Uh, you can...
01:10:42You can fill me on this number.
01:10:46Thanks.
01:10:50Celebration?
01:10:51Er, sort of, yeah.
01:10:52I spoke to Lawson, and he's moving me up to murder squad.
01:11:03That's great.
01:11:03I'm sorry, K.P.
01:11:19I'm an asshole.
01:11:23Yeah.
01:11:25I knew that before.
01:11:28Yeah, and you used to like it.
01:11:29Okay, Phil.
01:11:33Have you got time for a drink now?
01:11:40No.
01:11:41Not really.
01:11:42I'm gonna have to drink this all by myself, which...
01:11:45is a bit sad.
01:11:49Yeah.
01:11:52I'll see you around.
01:11:59I'll see you around.
01:12:29Hey.
01:12:43It's starting again.
01:12:45The questions from the police.
01:12:49The press attention.
01:12:52The...
01:12:53looks.
01:12:55The whispers.
01:12:56And it's worse this time.
01:12:58Because there's the internet.
01:13:05I...
01:13:05think...
01:13:07we need to do this differently this time.
01:13:09What do you mean by that?
01:13:18I think we need to tell them the truth.
01:13:20You started this, Ziggy.
01:13:22Which is why I'm the one suggesting that we come clean.
01:13:25No.
01:13:25Not after all this time.
01:13:26I can't eat.
01:13:28I can't sleep.
01:13:29I keep on running and running, thinking it's gonna clear my head.
01:13:32I'm cracking up.
01:13:33We're all cracking up, Ziggy.
01:13:34Yes, but my job needs me lucid.
01:13:36Then why don't we work in prison?
01:13:41We've all got responsibilities.
01:13:42We've all got something to lose.
01:13:44I've got a baby on the way.
01:13:45But we made promises to each other.
01:13:51And we can't go back on them now.
01:13:56It will pass.
01:13:57Alex, I...
01:13:57It will pass.
01:14:03You did before?
01:14:09Hold the course.
01:14:11You stick to the story.
01:14:13I just...
01:14:17I don't think I can.
01:14:25Well, you better, Ziggy.
01:14:28Okay.
01:14:43I think it's time to start drinking.
01:14:59I'm technically on the clock.
01:15:01Oh, come on.
01:15:02And I'm driving.
01:15:04You shut enough to pop.
01:15:05One can't hurt.
01:15:15Thanks.
01:15:21I know your plan.
01:15:23Get me drunk.
01:15:24Lock the door.
01:15:26Torture me until I tell you something you don't already know.
01:15:28Is it so bad to want to enjoy a glass of wine with our work?
01:15:34It's heavy stuff.
01:15:35Where are these from?
01:15:38Oh, another student.
01:15:40There's a couple of boys in there, but nothing like it.
01:15:42Take this.
01:15:44Wait, what?
01:15:44I'm sorry.
01:15:45Thank you for the wine.
01:15:46No, no, no.
01:15:46Wait, what?
01:15:47Who's pie is this?
01:16:10Toad of toad holes.
01:16:12Some fourth year's found it, and apparently no day lives here.
01:16:14So it's so long.
01:16:19Oh, boy.
01:16:25Oh, boy.
01:16:26Hey, drink some water, man.
01:16:28Oh, I don't know if he's on it, eh?
01:16:30He looks a bit like Rosie.
01:16:31Maybe chew some gum.
01:16:33I'm going to chew in half.
01:16:34What a lucky girl.
01:16:38Come on, brother.
01:16:41Come on, come on.
01:16:42No, no, no.
01:16:43No, no, no.
01:16:43Come on.
01:16:44Come on.
01:16:45Come on.
01:16:46Come on.
01:16:47Come on.
01:16:50Come on.
01:16:51Come on.
01:16:52Come on.
01:16:53Come on.
01:16:56And then in 30 seconds time, she said, I want to live my common people.
01:17:03I want to do whatever common people do.
01:17:07I want to live my common people.
01:17:08Come on.
01:17:09Come on.
01:17:10Come on.
01:17:11Come on.
01:17:12Come on.
01:17:13Come on.
01:17:14Come on.
01:17:15Come on.
01:17:16Come on.
01:17:17You came? You all right?
01:17:21I've got to say something.
01:17:24You need to stop messing around.
01:17:27You're either in it, or you're not.
01:17:32And if you're not, then go and do one, Rosie.
01:17:47Sarge! Sarge!
01:18:07I tried to call. Didn't pick up. It was kind of urgent, though.
01:18:11They lied. She was at the party with Ziggy.
01:18:16Where did this come from?
01:18:17Another student. Belle didn't think they were useful.
01:18:28Smells good.
01:18:29Where you been?
01:18:30Oh, you know, surgery ran over. Complications.
01:18:33Go okay in the end?
01:18:35Yeah, it's fine.
01:18:37Ah, no. No, you're not running now.
01:18:40My mind's going.
01:18:41No, come on, sit down and talk to me.
01:18:43I've got to, okay, it's...
01:18:46It's the only thing keeping me sane at the minute.
01:18:48Do you really think it's keeping you sane?
01:18:54Okay.
01:18:56But we're eating dinner together afterwards, though.
01:18:58No phones.
01:18:59But you must remember something about where you left it.
01:19:04Well, you can at least try, weird. It's a frickin' car, not a contact line.
01:19:09All right.
01:19:10Right.
01:19:11Right, I'm gonna go.
01:19:14No, no.
01:19:15No, the pig's right at the front.
01:19:16Yeah, I'll go out the back.
01:19:17They won't see me.
01:19:18All right.
01:19:19Right, bye.
01:19:20Bye.
01:19:21Bye.
01:19:22Bye.
01:19:23Bye.
01:19:24Bye, bye.
01:19:31Bye, bye.
01:19:35Bye.
01:19:40Bye.
01:19:45You haven't said in about 20 minutes, Cole.
01:20:05There's not much to say.
01:20:08I know.
01:20:11I know.
01:20:15I just want to hurt something!
01:20:39I know where they live.
01:20:41The three they caught, I saw them going home.
01:20:48Why didn't you tell me earlier?
01:20:50Let's get in the car.
01:21:11Cole, that was one of them.
01:21:13No, it wasn't.
01:21:28See, I told you.
01:21:30You one of them?
01:21:31Yes, Donny, I swear.
01:21:32Have you seen them in the pub talking to her?
01:21:33Wait, let me head.
01:21:36Come here!
01:21:37Come here!
01:21:37Don't, don't, don't!
01:21:43Get off!
01:21:44Get in!
01:21:45Get in!
01:21:46You're in!
01:21:47Stop!
01:21:48You're in!
01:21:48Go, Donny!
01:21:49Go!
01:21:49Go!
01:21:50This is huge.
01:21:54I asked him yesterday, to his face,
01:21:56do you want to change your story?
01:21:57And he said, nope.
01:21:59He saw her at the pub, and then the cathedral.
01:22:01But now we know she was at the party with him.
01:22:04McLean was right.
01:22:05Her brothers were right.
01:22:05He's been lying, all this time.
01:22:09And finally, we've caught him in it.
01:22:16You knew my sister!
01:22:18No!
01:22:18Don't lie to me!
01:22:20You see, you're hanging around Lamas Bar.
01:22:22Saw you taunt her, you and your pals!
01:22:23I can't breathe!
01:22:24Did you go and meet you, didn't you?
01:22:25Stop!
01:22:26You see, I don't believe you.
01:22:27What are you thinking, then?
01:22:29Tell me to tell the truth.
01:22:30I can't...
01:22:31Every time you do that, she gets worse from you!
01:22:42No!
01:22:42Please, stop!
01:22:44Stop!
01:22:44Stop!
01:22:45Stop!
01:22:46Stop!
01:22:47Claim it, or I will kill you.
01:22:50I can kill you anymore.
01:22:52We lost Rosie.
01:22:55Rosie's dead.
01:22:56Bottle dungeon.
01:23:04Always wonder if it was down there.
01:23:15I did warn you.
01:23:15No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
01:23:22Tell me what happened, and I'll let you go.
01:23:25I've told you everything.
01:23:26Why are you still lying to me?
01:23:31Hold on to me, Tony.
01:23:32Why do you think I'm lying?
01:23:33You're the end of the air covered in a blight.
01:23:37You killed her.
01:23:38No, I swear, I swear.
01:23:40No!
01:23:43No!
01:23:45No!
01:24:15No!
01:24:23DS, Karen Perry.
01:24:23This is DC Murray.
01:24:24What's going on?
01:24:25Headrun.
01:24:26White mail.
01:24:26Alan Fortis.
01:24:27Can we approach?
01:24:28No.
01:24:28He has to care of a pretty serious crime. Do you have an ID on this victim?
01:24:47Sure. Yeah.
01:24:52Is he injured?
01:24:53No, he's...
01:24:55He's dead.
01:24:58Trauma can have a ripple effect.
01:25:08At the center is the victim.
01:25:10The individual who has directly experienced the traumatic event and may or may not be physically injured.
01:25:24Then, moving outward, there are the grieving relatives.
01:25:28The friends and the colleagues of the victim.
01:25:42Or those who were at close physical proximity to the event.
01:25:46At the next level are the rescue and recovery teams.
01:25:54The fire service, the paramedics, the police.
01:26:02And the ripples continue, onwards and outwards, unless something changes.
01:26:07Because trauma needs to be processed.
01:26:12Wounds need to heal.
01:26:14Victims need answers.
01:26:16Or the pain and disruption, it carries on.
01:26:20My main suspect is dead.
01:26:28Alex!
01:26:29What you need to do right now, Alex, is answer our questions honestly.
01:26:36Honestly.
01:26:43Rosie was in the corpse's beard that night.
01:26:45Who was she there to see?
01:26:46I really don't have.
01:26:49I'll prove you with my bare hands.
01:26:52Colin, your alibi for the time of Rosie's murder isn't solid.
01:26:56You'll think that I'm feeling some consequences.
01:26:59I felt like I needed to do something.
01:27:04They posted pictures of Ziggy and Weird.
01:27:05They've been named on the internet.
01:27:07So their identities are out there.
01:27:10You have sabotaged this case so profoundly that I am in one mind to take you up it completely.
01:27:22We were young.
01:27:24We were drunk.
01:27:25We were drunk.