OVAReact Podcast S05 E09 Dance Brought Me To Africa with Jeevi Pillai

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00:00welcome to the overreact podcast in a society that tries to put women in a box let's overreact

00:27it's your girl lash angela it's your girl angela one boy and today we're joined by a special guest

00:32kindly introduce yourself hi everybody my name is gb awesome um gb has an amazing story to share and

00:40we're going to learn more about her but if you're just joining us for the first time we'd like to

00:45welcome you to the overreact community and if you've missed any of our previous episodes make

00:49sure to follow us across all social media platforms at sister speaks 254 on instagram at overreact

00:55podcast and of course you can check out our video episodes at capital fm kenya on youtube yes yes yes

01:04and um just to inform you today we are two hosts um our mo is not around uh so but we're equally just

01:12gonna overreact together in a fun way and um gv is somebody i met at the what women want summit

01:19actually met you on the gala day when we were sitting in the room and uh i watched her talk on

01:26sunday she's she'll talk about about herself i i won't go too much into it but i really like the

01:32fact that you're a sports psychologist and you're an afro dancer uh but when i met you at the what

01:37women want summit um and watching you talk about your journey i was very intrigued and that's why i

01:42wanted to overreact with you but something that you guys might not know about gv all three of us

01:48actually have a very similar story it's about living and so this topic is really about um how

01:55you go from living abroad in the diaspora and finding yourself back into the african continent

02:01although it's different for gv because she's actually not kenyan um but welcome to the show

02:06thank you and we're so happy to have you um how you feeling um i'm good out of 10 out of 10 to 10

02:13being very good right yes i am a 10 you're a 10 um maybe you can introduce yourself with other

02:21further information about who you are and then we can get to learn who you are to the rest of the

02:25order okay so hi i'm gv and i'm from singapore so i run two businesses i run afro with gv which is

02:35the afro dance fitness business in singapore so the three pillars are dance connect and pushing

02:40boundaries and that basically revolves around having studio classes in singapore having events

02:47in singapore where we bring afro dancers from africa to singapore as well as dance retreats in kenya

02:54where i bring people from singapore and hopefully in the future asia and maybe the rest of the world

03:00to kenya to experience the dance culture here so that's my baby number one baby number two is the

03:06dare platform so that's where i bring in my sport psychology that's where i work with athletes and

03:12you know on the mental aspect of performance but it has also gone through its own transition and

03:18evolution and now i want to focus a bit more on dare to rest so focusing on recovery i feel like

03:24people don't talk about rest enough and that's you know upon reflection of my journey as a sport

03:31psychologist my journey working with athletes my journey as a dance instructor and and then also

03:39reflecting as an uh an entrepreneur and yeah so that's how dare to rest came about it's still in

03:44its baby really baby baby face um but yeah so that's my two lives i guess she'll challenge you

03:51she really talked about in the what women's once i met you you brought in the aspect of sleep

03:56and the importance of rest um which is a different angle we don't usually hear when it come to fitness

04:03conversation it's always about working out and all this but also part of working out and a recovery

04:10yeah i love that dare to rest that's a very very good place to start but i want to know how did you

04:17end up bridging the gap between singapore and kenya like how did that come about and why kenya

04:21why kenya um so i get that question a lot but i think so dance brought me to africa so also i

04:28actually started my so-called africa journey in south africa and i did this whole tour so it was

04:34like um across 10 countries in southern and eastern africa and then the tour ended in kenya

04:40and then i stayed a week in kenya without the tour and so i was already following a few people

04:47on social media like the chezza chezza foundation and just different people on social media so i knew

04:53when i was in nairobi i wanted to visit um and you know go for classes and things like that so

04:58yeah and then there was a moment during the trip where i was like i feel like i found home but i didn't

05:04know where i didn't know how i didn't know when and then when i got to kenya i was like i think it's

05:09here at least for now it feels right it wasn't there was no logical reason right it was just a

05:14feeling that i was like my soul lit up and i was like i wanna i wanna make it home and then it's

05:19like okay now what how like how am i going to do that and so yeah and then um you didn't you didn't

05:27know anybody you have no family here no i have no family here but i i did have one i had a dance

05:34client who actually she took my class in singapore and then she told me that she was going to move

05:39to kenya with her husband so i noted it at that time i had no plans of even coming to africa i just

05:44you know it was nothing was planned but i didn't know i was like okay she's here okay just you know

05:49you never know when a connection is going to bring you to another place just listening to gv speak it's

05:56this is a scenario i've heard many many times and i believe lush you can also somewhat relate um i think

06:03i want to talk about our move to kenya so for me kenya was a very unplanned move i grew up in the u.s

06:09um that's where i spent most of my life all my immediate family lives there mom dad sisters

06:13and i came for my cousin's wedding i was a bridesmaid oh you were i thought you just oh i

06:19didn't know that part okay yes i came for a wedding actually um which was also kind of a last minute

06:24thing so i came did the wedding and i was just like any other summer bunny living my best life you

06:29know what a summer bunny is yeah okay so yeah i was just in nairobi living my best life

06:35partying monday to monday meeting new people nairobi is such an exciting city i call it like a mini new

06:41york somehow i see that and you have people from all across the world here and everyone's just so

06:47friendly and fun and the weather was amazing that time too so i remember i had a gig in las vegas and i

06:54missed my flight and when you fly to states it almost takes like 22 hours to go to that area so if you

06:59miss one day you miss the whole weekend so i was like oh okay let me just extend my ticket i kept

07:03extending extending and you know by the time i was like i don't know i think like eight months or

07:09something passed so i was like okay time to go back to reality so it was that awkward time when

07:13you're out of school and you don't have anything serious you're doing so you're just like exploring

07:17life and um yeah like two i did that and then uh i started getting into things slowly slowly a bit in

07:27the fashion scene a bit into emceeing and then also just radio also found me so radio became by the

07:33way did you discover fashion here or were you um i think fashion was always a part of okay my life

07:39especially my mother was a jewelry designer and then um also i did a lot of pageants so when i started

07:44doing pageants um yeah that that fashion bit was there so yeah two days before i was meant to fly

07:50back to the u.s i got a job offer to work in radio and literally radio became my anchor to kind of settle

07:57in nairobi and my friend's like angela what are you doing in africa are you coming back like they talk

08:01about africa like it's a country but yeah i'm having a good time i'm having a good time for now you know

08:08and i kept telling them yeah i'm gonna come back i'm gonna come back and you know we're reaching

08:13we're approaching a decade and i have not gone back it's not a decade it's a decade and a one and

08:19plus one yeah because you are one year different oh yeah literally so it was 10 years last year

08:232024 yeah i mean 2014 yes wow um well mine is very different because it comes in like two parts so like

08:34my um my first degree i after i finished like my degree i wanted to either all i knew is i've done

08:43the degree mom and dad now i need to i need to unplug right so i was like anywhere just for six months

08:50or something so then i went to um that one option was canada one option was sweden because i'd gone to

08:57sweden i really liked it and then i figured like i could learn the language quite easily and then the

09:02other option was kenya so sweden was looking unpromising because it was the person was like

09:08my mom's friend and then i think it's just just didn't go anywhere then my my aunt and my aunt in

09:14canada my uncle in kenya i was like one of them whoever's gonna win but kenya made sense because i'd

09:20studied media and so i was gonna come do similar well in a sense do an intern for for a media station

09:28which is what i'd been studying and so i eventually got it secured the bag and then came i was only

09:35coming for five months just like you guys call my mom was like um so basically i'm not coming

09:42i stayed for a couple of more months and stayed i even went home in that september and then i was like

09:50no i think i'm still staying and then before i know it was like 14 months and the only reason i left

09:55was because and this is for anybody who's listening listen to your your inner intuition

10:02intuition like i should have just stayed i always felt like that there when i moved i moved hastily

10:09like if i just pressed on i would have eventually cracked into whatever i needed so but i was young

10:16i was like y'all ain't paying me you ain't giving me a job i'm out so i went out and then

10:22disappeared for like six years and then i got that bug again um after not being here for like two

10:27and started to come i was like okay i can't push this thing away and so yeah so then now i i bought

10:35the bullet now a year after you so 2015 so i was coming for a wedding but i was coming moving but no

10:41one knew i was moving i just no one knew here but my family knew i was i was moving and i'm turning 10

10:49yeah just taking that leap of faith and really not knowing what's ahead and i don't know why

10:55you know being in nairobi cultivates that energy yeah it's just like you somehow feel comfortable

11:00and i've heard this story from people from all around the world and it's a really great i guess

11:05you can add to this um in terms of how has it been from like a networking point of view for instance

11:12because i find that the amount of contacts and networks that i have in kenya i could never in

11:21england i could never some people that i've met i could i could never meet a governor in the version

11:28of a governor in uk like it would be so hard yeah so what about you i mean i think just the nairobi is

11:35so vast like i think that's the thing that made it so easy to transition and to be here for a longer

11:40period of time and i think why i knew i'll be okay it's just because you you just never know

11:46who you're going to meet and the ripple effect is very fast i think that was the the main thing i

11:53think it was just even before coming here i think people already kind of once i put it out there that

11:59i wanted to move people were already connecting me so fast and i mean i think now it's also just

12:04easier than ever but yeah i think suddenly everybody had a friend in kenya or in nairobi and i'm like

12:10where was this five years ago like no one even mentioned kenya before i mean yeah so i think

12:15how have you navigated me and you are similar so angela has a big family like big immediate family

12:21and her mom and dad come quite frequently while for me my parents don't come as frequently and my

12:27immediate family is also not that big right and even my extended um the extended immediate isn't that

12:34big so i tend to and i'm so comfortable and i'm not saying this from a negative point i'm very

12:39comfortable being alone but for you it's different because you actually you have no i have a family

12:45i like i'm alone but i have a family i could go to for holidays like easter holidays or whatever

12:52how have you navigated those moments of where you're feeling quiet this is a really lonesome journey

13:00i think like you i really like my solitude okay it's fine i think sometimes i liked it a bit too much

13:06but but i think i must still acknowledge that there were moments that i did feel i think it's

13:12you did fit you do feel lonely but i think sometimes it's because everything is so unfamiliar

13:17everything is actually out of your comfort zone until being out of your comfort zone becomes the

13:23most familiar thing and then after a while you're like okay wait i just need to pause and you know

13:28because you don't realize actually how much especially when you come i mean singapore and kenya are so

13:33different right in so many ways so what's been the biggest culture shock

13:37i don't know i can't even put in point one because it's from everything right from like

13:44and how long have you been here so far coming to a year okay she's a new year

13:50we'll have you in nine years we'll have you back in

13:54do a 10 year check-in 10 year anniversary check-in no but i think it was from like

14:01the people you see on a day-to-day basis right i mean 80 of the population in singapore are chinese

14:07you know from then seeing you know so many african people in front of you just what you see when you

14:13okay your eyes you know what i mean so in that sense and then um makes sense i mean also just like

14:19even in um ethnicity wise i'm a minority in both countries but i'm treated differently and i'm my

14:29color is different you know like in singapore i'm considered dark you know i'm i'm so seven percent

14:34of the population in singapore are indians and we're the minority right here and and then people

14:41call me light-skinned here i'm like yeah i was like you you're exotic babe you're exotic you're dating

14:47must be quite interesting but yeah i mean i think it's just all of that like sometimes i'm just

14:55like my like who am i like your identity is kind of questioned and you know you grow up a certain

15:00way and then suddenly your life is kind of flipped and you're like what is that so and then just yeah

15:06i think just day-to-day life and you know transport and um negotiating negotiating

15:13i've never negotiated this much in my life i'm just like wow i'm actually building a very good

15:20skill yeah so but i mean yeah i think in so many ways it's just niobe has challenged me but in also

15:28the best way like i've seen what i was capable of i've you know i feel more human than i've ever

15:33been just because you're beautiful you you feel all kinds of emotions you see all kinds of things

15:38and i think that's also why like i i felt called to do more with that right so i think it was yeah

15:45that was just do you feel like coming out here also you've had an opportunity to kind of reinvent

15:49yourself like do you feel like there's room for a trial and error with a lot of different things

15:53you're doing out here that's an interesting question i feel like it wasn't more i don't think it was

16:00reinventing myself but i think it was being more myself i feel like here especially my i remember

16:06the first um my first trip and the first yeah the first time that i came it was like for once

16:12i wasn't defined by the rules i wasn't defined by you know what i did i wasn't a sports psychologist

16:19i wasn't the dance instructor i wasn't indian i wasn't you know all the boxes that you know talk

16:24about boxes right now all the boxes that we've been put into and that we put ourselves into

16:29i feel like i was just me and it was like oh so this is gv so you know what i mean it's not even

16:34about reinventing it's just like wow you know when people say like oh i went on this trip and i found

16:39myself like damn i found myself i really did it's just like oh so this is her oh what do you want to

16:46do with this self that you've seen and that you've met on a deeper level i because you've gone so since

16:53you've been here you've gone singapore twice or once i've gone to singapore once have your has your

17:00family your friends the ones that you know your core do they notice a change in you and what do

17:05they say that changes i think my parents definitely notice a change and my with my friends i feel like

17:13the change was more of like the subtle subtle changes i think every time they see me they're like

17:17you're more confident than you've ever been and um you're more sure and like i think i also i care

17:23less about what people think i mean you can't go to africa and care about what people think you'll

17:27never make it you know what i mean with all the perceptions that people have and there's so many

17:32barriers um and it's like i came to a point where like i'm not going to deal with everybody else's

17:37anxieties it's like i can deal with mine and i can deal with my parents and that as far as i go

17:42but at the same time like this is my journey and i feel like um i think i care less about what other

17:48people think and that's been liberating that's that's a good that's a good place to be speaking

17:53of even like merging and finding yourself so um i wanted to understand how you merged your sports and

17:59psychology like the sports psychology and dance how did they find together so when i grew up um

18:05uh my i guess my dad saw something in me i'm gonna i'm gonna dad i'm calling you tonight

18:11um so he was like i he signed me up to an activity um an after school activity um where i would go and

18:21do dance um singing and acting and i loved i thrived i thrived more than my sister did um and i i loved

18:30it although the singing part i don't know i questioned i questioned the instructor he was like she just

18:36needs practice i was like sorry maybe we just kill that and do the other two and so i i really love

18:43dancing i've had moments where i have i don't want to i would say maybe a slight form of depression

18:49where you are you haven't got your job and so what i used to do is honestly guys i would dress up in my

18:57house wear heels lipstick is my thing so and i want to feel myself i put red lipstick and you would

19:04find me cooking cleaning dancing in heels right so dancing is always my your release yeah my release

19:10right and i do it at home alone no shame how did you find the love of dance and and turn it beyond

19:19something that you because now mine i didn't turn it into something that i can do profitably but how

19:25did you how did you find yourself when was your first love affair with dance and how did that trigger

19:31merging it with sports and what you do so i mean i started dancing since i was four so i always

19:38dance was just always a part of my life there was no never a plan of it becoming a career and i mean

19:44especially in singapore i mean that's the last thing on your mind for dance to ever become a career

19:49and i think yeah so like maybe dance is the thing that inspired sports psychology so i would say dance is

19:56my first love sport psychology is probably my second love and i think because i was so active

20:02and it was either dance or sport so it kind of made sense to do sport psychology and then um

20:09and then i think because again dance was always i mean it was always part of my life and then it

20:15became my side hustle because i did um i started teaching zumba first and then also teaching was never

20:21part of the plan i just went for a zumba class how many years ago 12 years ago and i was like i think

20:28i can do that and i was just it was so random i was 21 what odd did i know i was just like i think i

20:34can do that and then i went to google how to be an instructor and it was a two-day thing so i used my

20:3921st birthday money and i did my license and then i started teaching and i was like and so i started

20:45teaching in uni while i was um yeah while i was while i was doing uni and i was like this is earning

20:51me money great so it was just it was again it was it was just it brought me joy it was my constant it

20:57was my outlet and then i think it just came to a point where i was just curious to see what i could

21:03do with dance i think you know i had i had i knew i wanted to make sure that i finished what i needed to

21:10finish with sports psychology you know i wanted to go all in with that make sure i got accredited

21:14make sure but i always thought it would be i still thought that sports psychology would be it and it

21:20would be the career but then i was kind of like i've done whatever i needed to do with sports psychology

21:25what if i gave it more time and energy what would dance look like and then i mean at that point of

21:31time then african dance came into the picture but i was just i was curious so i mean i think the the

21:36funny thing that i always say was like dance was supposed to be my break from my sports psychology

21:40career and then it ended up being it ended up becoming a business and now i live in kenya like

21:44what like that was just i didn't expect that i guess i love that how do you find doing business in

21:51kenya versus doing business in singapore like how has that been um and what are you because um

21:58off i do know that you're still doing your business in singapore so i'm sure because of you

22:04we're gonna get singaporeans watching um maybe share like what you do in singapore as well but

22:10like yeah how's the what's the difference whether what have been the challenges or the good parts

22:15yeah i mean i think for me the definitely the pace and the culture right like i said like kenya and

22:24singapore so different in so many ways but um i think it was learning how to lean into one when it

22:30worked and i don't think it was finding 50 50 balance because i don't think that was it but it

22:34was singapore has its fast-paced culture you know the systems the structure and then kenya is a bit

22:41more flexible and a bit more slower paced maybe nairobi might still seem fast for people who have

22:46been here for a while but compared to singapore for me at least it was different you know that was

22:51a big difference and so then i will find myself like the singaporeans are rushing me

22:55and then i'm rushing the kenyans and i'm like guys i'm right in the middle and um i think the

23:01perfect example of of the union i guess of both and how yeah i mean i think it became a dance right

23:08in a way of of um leaning into both was organizing my retreat because i am bringing singaporeans who

23:16have all of these questions and concerns and anxieties and are used to a certain way and then

23:21i am of course working with kenyan businesses and to run the retreat so yeah so it's also you know

23:28not not being too pressurizing as well because that's also not how how it works here so i think

23:34it was really finding that tell us about the retreat actually um yeah so the retreat was also something

23:42that came out of nowhere i mean it was again not part of the plan and um someone i think because i was

23:50already thinking of moving to kenya someone one of my clients actually she said like why don't you

23:56organize trips because since you love it so much you know it people will trust you

24:01because you're on the ground um people who don't know about the country will just you know find it

24:06easier to to connect with you you know um so then you know seed planted right and i was like

24:13huh okay when was that seed planted so i can see how how long it's taken to germinate

24:18two years ago two years ago because i i came to kenya officially last year she told me yeah the

24:25year before so i was really like okay i want to do a retreat i want to do a retreat and then i think

24:30i was trying to be too fast with it so i'm glad that you know it kind of took its time um and then

24:36yeah i think it was just like it made sense and then of course being here i was like there's so many

24:41things that i want to share you know and like just me moving here like the amount of questions

24:45concerns and you know again i know it all comes from a good place but it's yeah it's also based

24:50on stereotypes and perceptions or things that are placed on the media that i don't think it's fair

24:55because that's not what i experience here so i think it was just it came from a deeper place of like

25:01bridging two continents but also seeing other perceptions of africa or kenya that people do not

25:09put on um put on the media and i think i kind of felt called to do that like you know why not you

25:15know see what um give that space to people to to overcome those mental barriers of coming to africa

25:24i love that i love that changing the narrative and also it's just you've reminded people who are

25:30listening that allow time to play its part right yeah and allow things to germinate i like that story

25:39that some people think it people are probably looking at their feet and thinking oh she just

25:44moved or that's how but it's taking even the confidence to find the people to work with so good

25:48for you just feeling it out you know it's nice when it can be an organic yeah uh growth that you're

25:55experiencing um we i want to talk more about uh dance and busting myths you know a lot of times

26:02sometimes we could hear people say you know dance is not really fitness it's not a real exercise um

26:07you did a real accent there i love it did i yeah i love it i don't know when the accent is on and off

26:13um but i guess tell us what are the fitness benefits when it comes to dance and do you consider

26:20dance a real exercise it is i mean it like the amount of calories that you can burn i mean i

26:27think for me to be honest like i i honestly don't focus on the fitness part of it i think it's also

26:31the wellness part of it and the personal growth but yeah i mean i think there's so many i mean i guess

26:36it depends on your goals as well what are your fitness goals and i think definitely dance and

26:42especially african dance is definitely a cardio workout um you cannot leave without breaking a sweat

26:49or a bucket of perspiration but i feel like it's also beyond the the fitness benefits it's also

26:56such a mood booster it's so much you know it's coordination it's motor skills it's built i mean

27:02connecting with people community i think there's so much more than that so i mean maybe if your goal

27:07is to build strength then you might see dance um a dance workout classes you maybe you could see it as a

27:14a form of recovery actually you know and just getting out of that um very strict routine so i

27:20think that's it's how you want to see it and at the end of the day i can go on and on about the

27:26benefits but yeah um for like most of your clients do they come like from the gym or how have you built

27:31your community over time for me i think the focus of the community was creating a space where people

27:40just felt comfortable to move you know for me yeah like i said like i know the fitness benefits but

27:45that was not my focus in building the brand because i felt i felt like i never really had a

27:51proper dance space like even though i mean i had dance was a part of my life but i always felt

27:55i'm not good enough to be a dancer i'm not gonna have to call myself a dancer i always felt judged

28:00you know there's always this perfectionist you know tendencies when it came to different dance spaces but

28:06i felt like you know that space that times where people just want to move they want to feel free

28:12they want to feel comfortable um so i think that was where i was like okay this is this kind of space

28:17that i want to i want to build where people just feel free to come so at the end of the show jivi's

28:23gonna show us how how some few dance moves so we'll be showing but before we get to the end

28:29i'm gonna ask you a fireside chat quick rapid fire questions with what you know now through like

28:35relocating and moving and maybe even angeli can fit to this and experience um from like relocating

28:41what are the tips you would give someone maybe even they're specifically wanting to move to kenya

28:47or just a new country i would say find out as much as you can first but don't overwhelm yourself with

28:54the information because i think people can get stuck with um too much information in the house and i i know

29:01i was at one point i was just like but what about this and what about that and what about this and i'm just

29:04like okay no there's only so much information that you know you're gonna have so i think it's just

29:09giving yourself i think again like finding that that sweet spot of having enough information but not

29:16having too much information having enough time to prepare but not having too much time because

29:21give yourself like six months or a year or maybe 18 months but after that then you're just going to

29:27procrastinate because then it's just going to get harder and harder to move because you're just going

29:30to get comfortable with where you're at and that goal is going to be more and more distant um

29:35and the third thing is also finances right again you're never going to have enough money

29:40but have enough money you know what i mean and enough can be very different for different people

29:45depending on the lifestyle that they want but i feel like again i told myself i'm never going to feel

29:51a hundred percent ready i'm never going to feel i have enough money in my bank but i know okay at least

29:56for six months if i don't have enough money will i and do i have enough money to at least last for six

30:01months um i think those were some of the things and you know you're gonna feel nervous you're gonna

30:07feel anxious yeah you know but i think just try it's that one step yeah do you have anything um i think

30:14you know you definitely hit the nail on the head uh i always say give yourself at least a solid year i feel

30:18like the first six months is always a honeymoon phase so everything is still fun magical and then you know

30:24visiting somewhere and living somewhere two completely different experiences um i would say

30:28go with an open mind don't expect things to work the same way as they do wherever your home country is

30:34uh you must have a bit of patience and also specifically if you're trying to move to nairobi

30:39i say you have to really embrace the hakuna matata mentality you cannot really stress about things you

30:44gotta be like okay hakuna matata you have to really let go of controlling everything and just

30:49go with the flow is really going to test your patience yeah i think for me just only have one

30:56plan don't have plan a b c just have that plan and stick to that plan because if you start having

31:03other fallback plans you you you miss out i think that would be my main tip outside from what you've

31:08said i think the only other quick fire because you mentioned some of these it was i don't know if

31:13you've experienced any particular major challenge um but uh how i how do you find how what is the tip

31:21that helps you to press on i think i always ask myself why i did this and also

31:29when i look at myself in the mirror am i happy with the person staring back

31:34i think at the end of the day like i did this not because i was running away from anything or

31:40i was not there's nothing and i'm not running away from a bad situation right actually i had a good

31:46life in singapore there's nothing that i was you know negative about it or lacking but i felt like

31:51there was a call that i needed to fulfill if not i'll always keep wondering why or what if sorry so

31:57i feel like it's going to be tough i mean it's getting out of your familiar zone your comfort zone

32:04it's a whole new culture everything is going to be different but you got to keep asking yourself

32:08why you did this and also be really real right if this is not what you want to do anymore don't let

32:13the pride and the ego get in the way of like oh i've but i've already did this one i can't come

32:18back what am i going to say to my to people and that's also why it's not you know it's becoming i

32:23don't care as much about what other people say but it's just really being truthful to myself if it's

32:28there are challenging days but it's like are these challenging days still going to make you

32:34want to be here and make you a better person or is this challenging days trying to tell you

32:38something like okay gv something's not right here is it trying is it time to pivot is it time to shift

32:43or yeah yeah i love that please share how people can connect with you and learn more about the

32:49retreat you can connect with me on instagram mostly but you can also find me on linkedin so

32:56on instagram you can follow me on afro with gv awj retreat um and also gv j-e-e-v-i-i-i um as well

33:05as on linkedin gv pille as well as on tiktok afro with gv and um yeah that's about it yeah i'm looking

33:14forward to it i'm looking forward to the dance guys please don't judge we look but we don't judge

33:20um share um what we got going on yes so um also beyond our podcast we also air on the fuse every

33:29last wednesday of the month from 10 a.m to 11 a.m and you can catch us alongside ann moore who is the

33:35host of the fuse and it's a whole hour dedicated to everything female female artists female issues

33:41and female triumph yes so now we're gonna invite you to uh join us is saying uh we're gonna overreact

34:04together are you ready yeah okay ladies let's overreact

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