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00:00We cannot sit here and not go outside when it's sunny, waiting on the rain.
00:07You gotta go live.
00:08Now, back to Stiney and Guru on 95.7 The Game.
00:13Alright, it's crossover time, so let's welcome in Dan Dibley, Mark Willard.
00:18We got breaking news.
00:20And I'm in a bad mood. Hit it, Evan.
00:22What now?
00:2495.7 The Game. Breaking news.
00:27DeAndre Ayton is off the board.
00:32Expected to sign with the Lakers once he clears wafers.
00:35So they found the spot for him, guys.
00:38Deals, help me out.
00:39I like Ayton.
00:40Yeah, thank God that the Warriors...
00:43He doesn't fit, Guru.
00:46He's too bad.
00:48That's my priest right there.
00:49And I sent you the nugget earlier about seven straight years of a double-double, which is a fact.
00:54In and out.
00:55Right.
00:55And I do think about, like, I closed my eyes and I thought about a lineup with Ayton and Draymond and Jimmy Butler.
01:05And...
01:05Why am I getting excited?
01:07I mean, okay, great.
01:09So, if I'm on defense, we're gonna go ahead and pack the paint.
01:12We'll leave Draymond open.
01:14We'll leave Jimmy open.
01:16And Ayton's gonna be in the dunker spot, I guess, theoretically.
01:19But you don't have enough actual shooting.
01:23And I like DeAndre Ayton.
01:24If it were...
01:26Let me think about the year.
01:271996.
01:29If he played 30 years ago, he's a Hall of Famer.
01:32But the Ayton player now, you can't survive.
01:36Well, who's our center, guys?
01:38Uh, you got Post.
01:40And you've got, uh...
01:42Two guys you lauded.
01:43TJD.
01:44You lauded.
01:45Yep.
01:45TJD.
01:46And a fill-in-the-blank 39-year-old to be named later.
01:51Which, you know who that is, but...
01:53Al Hallford?
01:55It could be.
01:55Tito?
01:56Yeah.
01:57That's a nickname.
01:57Hallford?
01:58Yeah, I...
01:59Look, um...
02:00I think I told you...
02:01I mean, DeAndre Ayton was an obvious Laker the second that they let...
02:05You did.
02:05Take your victory lap.
02:06Yeah.
02:07That's...
02:07I mean, the Warriors...
02:08Uh, not interested for multiple reasons, I would imagine.
02:12And, oh, by the way...
02:13Uh, did they name a price yet?
02:15No.
02:16Okay.
02:16They didn't give us any numbers.
02:17Yeah.
02:17Yeah, I don't know if the numbers are out yet.
02:19We just had a radio fight.
02:20I still love this guy.
02:22It was about the Giants.
02:23You just had it?
02:24I was listening to you a little bit earlier.
02:26Was this fight like an hour?
02:28Yeah, I heard that fight like an hour ago.
02:30I mean, oh, man, it was loud.
02:32No, I just...
02:33How they're playing is not okay.
02:34Of course not.
02:35And then I'll let you guys take over.
02:36Dibs, I don't think it's okay.
02:38It's not okay, but, uh...
02:40For example, if you have a kid, and between the four of us...
02:44How many Dibs?
02:44We have 12 kids.
02:46Three, three, three, and three.
02:48And of the 12, I believe I'm the only one with a kid under 11?
02:53Yes.
02:54Yes, sir.
02:54Whatever.
02:55Damn right.
02:55We've all had kids.
02:56We all have had teenagers.
02:58You have two currently.
03:00Yes.
03:00He's had three.
03:02You've had three, and I had two.
03:04One injured.
03:05But you can...
03:05Yeah, exactly.
03:06And, you know, thoughts and prayers.
03:08But you can ask them to do A, B, C, D, and E, and they may not do A, B, C, D, or E.
03:15So you as a parent, like, if your kid, for example, comes home late all the time, or in my case, my kid, like, smashes up the car two different times, is that my fault?
03:27Well, and one time I'm playing golf at Moraga Country Club, and I'm settling in, and I'm on the eighth hole, and I hit my second shot into the hazard, and I'm not happy, and the phone rings, and it's my son.
03:40You go to voicemail, and then the phone rings again.
03:44It's my then-wife.
03:46It's like, hello?
03:47Uh, yeah, uh, so-and-so smashed up the car.
03:51Uh, he needs your help.
03:52Okay.
03:53So now my girlfriend is over.
03:55Is it my fault that he happened to park over a cement block and then backed out and ripped off the bumper?
04:02No.
04:02It's a long story for me to say what's going on is not the daddy, Bob Melvin.
04:08It's not his fault.
04:10The players are smashing up the car.
04:13The players are flunking out of high school.
04:16The players are coming home late for curfew.
04:20For me, it's not a Bob Melvin issue.
04:23I'll take a playoff.
04:24I'm sorry.
04:24No, that was too much.
04:26And Stani thinks I'm saying that.
04:28I'm just like, everybody has a hand in it.
04:30And that's why I brought up Earl.
04:31Everybody's got a hand in it.
04:32I'm not saying fire everybody, but come on.
04:34Okay, exercise.
04:35This is, we did this in the other room.
04:36Lucas and I did.
04:38And I'm not trying to put you on the spot.
04:40Gotcha.
04:40But remember when the Giants won 107 games, 2021?
04:44I'll never forget it.
04:45And all these career years.
04:46Crawford, Belt, Posey.
04:48Darrell Pinch, Humbert.
04:50Who was the hitting coach?
04:52Exactly.
04:53Was it Henzey Newlands?
04:54I don't care who the hitting coach is of a baseball team.
04:58I don't know how any of us out here have any clue what the hell the hitting coach is doing.
05:04What does a hitting coach do?
05:06Hey, guys.
05:07Here's the deal.
05:08They're going to throw it at you.
05:09Hit it.
05:10I mean, like, what is a hitting coach?
05:13So maybe Burrell deserves to be fired.
05:15Maybe he's great.
05:16I have no idea what Pat Burrell does on a daily basis.
05:20I imagine he's sitting with guys with little observations the way your dad used to when you were in Little League or whatever.
05:27But let's go to the head coach or the manager of any team.
05:30I was thinking about this a lot because I was listening to you guys.
05:33And this is so you get credit for this because this is what got my mind here.
05:37I first and foremost don't think about wins and losses with whoever the head coach is.
05:43That's not how I judge a coach.
05:44I like that.
05:45It's not about wins and losses.
05:47A coach is a culture builder and a table setter.
05:51That's what a coach is.
05:53Do you think, real quick, I'll interrupt.
05:55Do you think players take on the personality of their coach?
05:59I think it's indirect.
06:00What you see on the field is a result of the setting of the table and the culture being set.
06:06And in short samples, you can't really see that.
06:10So when you lose for two weeks straight, that doesn't mean it's a bad culture
06:14and it doesn't mean the table's been set poorly.
06:17And if you win for two or three weeks straight.
06:19So to me, the manager, the head coach, these are long play issues.
06:23You think Phil Jackson's a great coach?
06:25Yes.
06:25Okay.
06:26Well, back in 2006, 2007, he went 42 and 40 and got bounced in the first round.
06:33Why?
06:35He didn't have the players.
06:37So, like, I sort of look at Bob Melvin, the same thing I said to you guys yesterday
06:41about Rafi Devers and Willie Adamas.
06:43He's got a resume.
06:45And I can already see some of the culture change in the Giants that Bob Melvin has brought.
06:52Now, over the long haul, if this doesn't work, he will be held accountable.
06:56But if they have a bad two weeks, I am not even thinking about the manager or a coach.
07:04That's just me.
07:06You know that's me.
07:08Yeah, but you always make me seem like I want Melvin fired.
07:11You do.
07:12I don't.
07:13I just –
07:14You want him to flip a spread, but it's not in his nature.
07:16Like the other night in Arizona, and you agreed with me, you and Debs.
07:19Well, that one was –
07:20Yeah.
07:20That was –
07:21And it was just a moment.
07:22But I thought you let your team down.
07:24Like, go let the frustration of the last two weeks – forget the ball being ruled a double
07:29or an out.
07:29Just let it all out.
07:31And maybe I'm sorry, I hadn't played Major League Baseball, but I run on an emotion.
07:35That's all.
07:36And I just thought he missed an opportunity.
07:37Now, he did get ran, but that's all.
07:39Will, I'm just like – I think this team is better than they've been playing.
07:43For sure they are.
07:44And I didn't know I was this hot.
07:45But I'm watching these games, and Stanley, I'm not betting on them.
07:48I'm just like, it's not cool to lose two or three and score three runs against the White Sox.
07:53That's just not okay.
07:55And getting picked off third.
07:56Yeah.
07:57Like that.
07:58Come on.
07:58Like that.
07:59And then I don't know where this series is going.
08:02You're right.
08:02No.
08:03Like these games – and I'm not – you guys know this.
08:05I'm not someone who likes to get mad at my television.
08:08I don't like to get mad at electronics.
08:09No.
08:10These games are infuriating.
08:11Yeah.
08:12They're infuriating.
08:13You actually went dark last night as that thing was devolving into what it was.
08:18It was Randy, Lucas, and me.
08:20Me, Lucas, and Grandy.
08:22The three of us were all chiming in, and you were – I was like, I know he's at least –
08:27I know he's watching because you watch everything.
08:29But I just started –
08:30You went like zero dark Willard.
08:32Little guy likes to play games before bed.
08:35He's got a series of games that he likes to play right now.
08:37I hope you played Sorry.
08:39No, but that is –
08:40Because that thing was Sorry.
08:41Normally in heavy rotation, but right now, you know how it is with kids.
08:44They go in waves.
08:45We have three games that we play.
08:47He's got an NFL matching card game.
08:49We play that.
08:50There's a golf card game that we play, and then he likes to play Yahtzee.
08:55And so we do one of each before bed, and we just started early.
08:59So I'm like, I'm not going to – I was with you.
09:02The game was on.
09:02I saw you say – you know, Grandy's like, why are you still watching?
09:05And you're like, we're grinding.
09:07Right.
09:07I saw all of it, and I was just like –
09:09I just didn't have the energy for it because I'm like, this is stupid.
09:13I'm like, I'm just so – it's so – there's some characteristic about them right now that is more frustrating than regular losing.
09:24I'm still trying to access exactly what that is.
09:26Yeah, and I'm not sure exactly that feeling, but I do like a 20- or 25-minute dark period, which is, you know, brushing the two-year-old's teeth and getting the jammies on and the sleep sack and then this and that.
09:40And so in that period, it went from, oh, game's close.
09:44And two innings later, it's like, oh, my God, they're down 8-2?
09:46Like, rewind, rewind, rewind to try to figure out exactly what happened, and it's like, oh, my God.
09:53And the thing that kind of hit me, and we'll get into this more from 2-6, is I think that we have overrated their starting pitching.
10:01I do think that the youngsters – like, Logan Webb has been Logan.
10:05Robbie –
10:06I love him.
10:08Robbie's still –
10:08Still good.
10:09He's still doing fine.
10:10Verlander, like you talked about the other day, like, loud outs for Verlander.
10:15And then now you're leaning on Roop and Birdsong, and if you're leaning on them more than they're ready to hold up to?
10:22Maybe.
10:23I mean, look, young pitchers, right, they start to wear in the second half of the season.
10:28You don't really know where that's going to go.
10:29Roop has been fine.
10:30Roop had one really, really bad outing in L.A.
10:33Other than that, it's fine.
10:34Birdsong's struggling right now, but that's like, to me, that's more – that's just ebb and flow type of stuff.
10:40Hit the wall.
10:41And they'll have other options if that keeps up, you know, like, July's here, and so everything's an audition.
10:47And if you can't hold your spot, then you've got to go trade for somebody who can.
10:52Because Buster's been aggressive.
10:53Yeah.
10:53Like, but I mean, if you go into the playoffs, if they were to get there, the one-two punch that they have with Webb and Ray makes them dangerous.
11:01Because you're really only looking for one other guy to be in a good spot at the right time, come playoff time.
11:06That guy might not even be on the team yet.
11:07Now, how big of a problem, and I told Stiney, is center field to you?
11:12Because I don't see him going the other way.
11:14I see him trying to pull everything.
11:16No, lay down a bunch.
11:17It's the same.
11:19And now it's back to musical chairs, who's leading off for the Giants.
11:22And I thought he was going to solidify that.
11:25I thought so, too.
11:26The start of the year was super exciting.
11:29You got something here.
11:30Yeah.
11:30And people wearing hats.
11:32And the whole marketing arm of the Giants has been just all in.
11:35They put all their chips in the middle of the table.
11:37I mean, I don't even know.
11:39How many crews does he have out there?
11:41He has a Jung-Hoo crew.
11:43And then, isn't there like a ticket, right?
11:46The Hooligans.
11:47And there's a ticket package.
11:49I mean, we've got all this going on.
11:51And now, what is that?
11:53I mean, did you do that for a 230 hitter who hits nine home runs a year?
11:57I don't know.
11:58He's the one I'm worried about.
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12:15Mark, Guru said, and I just want to get your...
12:21If the Giants don't make the playoffs this year, it's catastrophic.
12:26It's a big word.
12:27From a fan standpoint.
12:29He's macro, I'm micro.
12:31Nobody's getting fired.
12:32That's obvious.
12:33No, I heard that fight.
12:34Was that the start of the fight?
12:35Yeah.
12:35Yeah.
12:35And then, how long did it go?
12:37Not long.
12:38I asked him what he had for dinner during break.
12:40I got a phone call.
12:41Nahegian called me, so it interrupted me listening to your fight.
12:43You're right.
12:44I said he didn't call, saying we were fighting.
12:46Yeah.
12:46I just said define catastrophic.
12:48No, no, he wasn't calling about it.
12:49I'm like, whoa.
12:49I just said define catastrophic.
12:52Disappointment city.
12:53That's...
12:54Then say disappointed.
12:56I like catastrophic.
12:57Well, it's not.
12:58There's levels to all of it.
12:59Meet me.
13:00For me, catastrophic is you're gone, you're gone, you're gone.
13:05We're going to strip this thing down to the studs, and we're going to start over.
13:08For me, catastrophic was Chip Kelly, 2 and 14.
13:12You came in for one year.
13:13You gave everyone a smoothie.
13:15You went 2 and 14, and you were gone.
13:18So, this is not catastrophic.
13:20If you miss the playoffs, it's beyond, for me, a disappointment.
13:25It's not a devastation.
13:27I don't know what the word is, but you would look at it based on how you started, where
13:32you've been, who you added, and how you ended.
13:35Right.
13:35It's a huge miss.
13:37It's a huge miss.
13:38It's not catastrophic, but you're right.
13:40It's past disappointing.
13:42It's a huge miss.
13:44Like, I mean, if you have the best bullpen in a league, you should automatically go to
13:48the playoffs with seven teams.
13:50Automatically.
13:51That's automatic.
13:51That's how we win in Major League Baseball.
13:55If you have the best bullpen in the league, and you acquire one of the best hitters in
14:01the game in the middle of the year, and you can't go to the playoffs, that's a huge miss.
14:06Yep.
14:07Yep.
14:07Six teams, right?
14:08Yeah, in the playoffs.
14:10Oh, there's six?
14:10Yeah, six.
14:11Oh, my mind went to NFL.
14:12No, no, because, yeah, you get the two, and then the wild card is three, six, and four,
14:17five, yeah, and that's what he was, you know, you don't need to, yeah, you don't need to
14:20air talk and start doing, you can just, I know, I messed up, you can just be, he's
14:25Well, I didn't know that you, we've been over, I just, I thought, did, you know, you
14:29know, baseball, they add another one?
14:30They add another one?
14:31Did they add another one?
14:32Maybe I'm just ahead of my time.
14:3420-36, there'll be seven teams.
14:36Well, I'm starting to do, I don't know.
14:37Like, I think when Buster Posey took this job, and knew the task at hand, how many guys on
14:46the team, when he took over, do you think he was like, I like that guy, he's a keeper?
14:52Because I think he looked at this team and said, okay, Bailey's our catcher, he's young,
15:00let's see what he can do.
15:03I think he, Lamont Wade was not good enough, but he's got Eldridge sitting there.
15:08My point is that, I think he wants to overhaul.
15:10Now, I really think, I don't think he wants Yaz to be the right fielder in a year or two.
15:16I don't think he, you know, if this is Bailey, like, Bailey's not going to be the guy.
15:21Like, I just, I think he is under, he's taken on a process where it's going to take a couple
15:26years, but the goal is to keep getting players in here who are better than the players they're
15:35replacing.
15:35And he thinks he did that, clearly, with Devers, Adamus, and Chapman, and we'll see.
15:42Yeah, and Chapman was already here.
15:43I get that it's long-term now.
15:45I don't think you're wrong, but I don't think the word overhaul feels like too much to me.
15:49What you're going to see with Buster, and you're already seeing, is a longer runway for
15:54each player.
15:55Farhan's era was kind of defined by, if you go 0-4-4 twice, here's a car, we rented it for
16:01you, go to Sacramento.
16:03You're out.
16:04Buster's going to give a much longer runway to all these guys.
16:07Tyler Fitzgerald at second.
16:08He gave Lamont Wade almost half a year.
16:10Now, that's not going to be the case.
16:13Let's see what happens in center field, right field, and even the catcher position.
16:17So he's going to give these guys a long runway, but I also think he'll, yeah, guys will be
16:21held accountable.
16:23Guys will be held accountable, but yeah, I don't, like, Cupboard wasn't bare.
16:27It wasn't bare.
16:29I mean, are you asking how many offensive players?
16:31Pretty much.
16:32Yeah.
16:33I mean, like, okay, you got a guy like, I agree.
16:37Like, he's going to let guys, we hated the way Kapler did it, all right?
16:432-0 for 4s, see you later.
16:45Or 0-2, get, yeah.
16:47Or hit a homer, and then bring a left in, you get the hook.
16:50And we hated that.
16:51Forfeiting.
16:51Right.
16:52We hated that.
16:52Well, the other side of that coin is, you know, a guy's 1-for-17, we're going to let him
17:00come out of it.
17:01And unfortunately, they got some 1-for-17s going at the same time now.
17:06But, like, this is what we prefer over the way Kapler did it.
17:13Get some everyday guys in here who have longer runways than the previous regime.
17:19But Jung Woo Lee just got a DNP CD, to use the NBA lexicon.
17:24He sat yesterday because he was in that mode.
17:28And, you know, you talked about, like, the foundation.
17:30I heard you earlier talking about, he's laying the foundation.
17:33And you're right.
17:34And you look at Wilmer Flores, he'll be a free agent.
17:37And Mike Yastrzemski, he'll be a free agent.
17:39So, can they go out there and get a better right fielder and a better first baseman slash
17:45DH?
17:46You would think so.
17:47And, you know, you look at Adamas and Devers and Jung Woo Lee, who were all signed for a
17:52long time, including Matt Chapman.
17:55And you would hope that they can, like, resume being the players that their baseball card would
17:59indicate that they are.
18:00Yeah.
18:01I think Jung Woo Lee is going to, I think that's going to be okay.
18:04I still, I still do.
18:07But, I mean, yeah, he's definitely the one to be worried about just because there isn't
18:11that, there isn't that pedigree.
18:13Right.
18:13We haven't seen it over a long period of time.
18:15I don't know what the league, I don't know if they found a hole in a swing or something
18:18like that.
18:19Yeah.
18:19I don't know.
18:20I got you.
18:20Because if they do, they'll do, man, they'll wear you out.
18:24And Stiney's doing the, again, the macro, nothing he said is wrong.
18:28But right now, how much confidence, like, I don't know who the 2025 Giants are and it's
18:33frustrating.
18:33I want to say they're that team that got up to that great start before Rafi.
18:38And that's why I expected them to take off.
18:41They haven't.
18:41They still got time.
18:42But we're past 81, the mid-halfway point.
18:45Like, yeah, all-star break.
18:46But the math, we're past 81.
18:48See, for me, and I know this, like, exes some people out of the conversation.
18:54I love to go to a golf comp when it comes to this, because this is what people will
18:59do.
19:00And, Guru, I know you don't play a whole lot of golf, but if you play a lot of golf, people
19:04will do this out on the course.
19:06They will hit a shot that is so embarrassingly not them.
19:10And they will go, hold on, hold on a second.
19:13And then they'll hit another one.
19:14And they'll be like, we're going to take that one.
19:16Yeah.
19:16Because that, that other one, that was like a weird whoopsie-daze.
19:20Is that a mulligan?
19:20That's, yes.
19:21I'm going to take a mulligan.
19:23No, no, no, no.
19:23That is you.
19:25They're both you.
19:27They're, so, which team are the, we do this all the time.
19:30Are the Giants that team, or are they this team?
19:32They're both of them.
19:33They're both of them.
19:35And sometimes you will go eight holes in a row, and your driver is on fire.
19:39And then you will hit a ground ball, and you won't know what the hell happened.
19:42And you'll do that for the next four holes.
19:44And the Giants are hitting ground balls right now.
19:47They just, like, it's baseball.
19:48I do think they'll get out of it.
19:50They're not, they don't suck.
19:52They do right now.
19:53But they're just, eh.
19:55They're in a funk.
19:57And every mistake they're paying for.
19:59Soon as Pat Bailey dropped that third strike last night,
20:03I almost knew the next guy was going to hit the ball over the fence.
20:07That's just the way it's damn going right now.
20:08I remember the day game against Texas.
20:11Ramos did the Little League.
20:12I hit, you know, like, right.
20:14That was the flip side of that.
20:16Like, you enjoyed that.
20:17Now you're kind of paying for that.
20:19Just sucks that this is happening when the schedule's so weak.
20:23It hurts.
20:24I think it hurts.
20:25It hurts because it's like, if you don't come out of this soon,
20:28do the Phillies and Dodgers are coming next week?
20:31By the way.
20:31Yeah, nine runs in the last five games.
20:33Yeah.
20:33Damn.
20:34Not even two a game.
20:34That's not even that weird for them, though.
20:37No, but at least before.
20:37They do that all the time.
20:38Like that long stretch where they were averaging about two a game,
20:41they went like.
20:4216 games.
20:43They went like eight and eight or seven and nine.
20:45You can't ask your pitchers to have to do that all year.
20:47You can't do that.
20:49You know what I mean?
20:49They're going to have to hit the ball.
20:51I don't know what the hell's going on.
20:52We all respect John Shea, right?
20:55John Shea.
20:56I like this question.
20:57Formerly of the Chronicle, now of the SF Standard.
21:00Big time.
21:01You know, I'm hating Birdsong.
21:04Interesting.
21:05What happened?
21:06He's given up eight runs in eight innings since he was asked to plunk a guy
21:10that he didn't want to plunk.
21:11Oh, here we go.
21:12And now.
21:13I like this.
21:14John Shea of the SF Standard says,
21:17walking away from the yard last night,
21:20I'm thinking,
21:22boy,
21:22there's no way this guy can make his next start.
21:26Birdsong.
21:28Huh.
21:29Did he, like, tie that to what you just led with?
21:33The fact that he plunked somebody?
21:34That I don't know.
21:35I thought he was, dude.
21:36No, the answer is no.
21:37He didn't actually put that as a part of...
21:39No, I will, though.
21:41Okay.
21:41So, I want to make sure that the audience knows that you are editorializing
21:45on John Shea's takeaway.
21:48No, no, no.
21:48I'm saying it.
21:49I'm saying it.
21:50And it's out of line.
21:50No, he's not.
21:51I'm just saying, Birdsong, he said...
21:53Right, but you're tying the Shea tweet to your own...
21:56I am.
21:57Just make that clear.
21:58Pointing it out to the audience.
21:59Right.
21:59Clunky presentation.
22:01It's a clunky editorialization sensation.
22:04And that is a bunch of bullshit.
22:07Okay.
22:08Okay.
22:08So, they asked him to hit a guy, and we don't know that.
22:12And after that, I mean, I can't even...
22:15I can't even go on and pitch because I had to intentionally hit a guy?
22:19Come on, Stiney.
22:20I said, why would you ask this guy, who's got his own issues to deal with,
22:27a young pitcher, why would you ask him to hit the Marlin?
22:30Guru says to me, Stiney, you'd like to think he could handle it.
22:34I mean, all he did was hit a guy.
22:36Fair.
22:37That's fair.
22:38Okay.
22:39He hits the guy.
22:40He gives up a three-run homer.
22:42Now, he comes out for his next game, and he's in control, and he comes out for the
22:46third or fourth, and he throws ten straight balls.
22:49So, that tells me, well, maybe he is a little bit, you know, young, maybe a little fragile
22:56still.
22:57I think there are 38 things that you could use to explain his problems that have nothing
23:01to do with hitting a guy.
23:02I'm going to call you Lambeau.
23:04Based on what you're saying, if they asked him to throw at a guy, based on what you're
23:10saying, he'd have missed him.
23:12Damn.
23:12Well, I mean, look, the bottom line is...
23:14He's got control issues, and he's a pup.
23:16Like, he's...
23:17Yeah, this is...
23:18So, I would never ask a guy with control issues...
23:21Right, but you...
23:22To put a guy on...
23:23Okay.
23:23If you...
23:24Intentionally...
23:25You clearly want to have this conversation, because you were out when this happened.
23:28Two days in a row.
23:30No, I know.
23:31If we want to go back to that for a second, if I could answer for everybody, again, I'm against
23:37it, I thought it was stupid, they advertised it, but every one of you who said, and you
23:41said it yesterday, why don't you wait until the late innings when one of your experience...
23:46Because the game's probably 3-3 in the eighth, and you don't do that in the late innings with
23:52your leverage relievers.
23:53All right.
23:54When they did it is exactly when you do it, if you're going to do it.
23:58Okay, well, he just gave up three runs.
24:00And I'm with you.
24:01Okay.
24:01I wouldn't have done it.
24:02But if you're going to do it, that's exactly when you do it.
24:06It's the first inning, there's two outs, there's nobody on, and in theory, the percentages would
24:13tell you, that's when it's least likely to hurt you.
24:16Right?
24:16It did.
24:17It blew up in their face.
24:19I wouldn't have done it.
24:20But no, you don't wait for a team that plays half their games, or three to two, in the seventh
24:27inning, you don't wait for Ryan Walker to come in and put somebody on base.
24:31Okay.
24:31Well, you got down 3-0 in that game.
24:33And it blew up in their face.
24:34Right.
24:35And Burt Song was bad in that game, and he's been bad in this latest game.
24:41Yeah, I don't think it's about that.
24:42And I think the Giants would love.
24:44But maybe he's pissed off that he gets the first two outs, and then he gives up a three-run
24:49homer in the first, and guess what happens to his ERA?
24:52Stiney, look, he'd given up three or more runs in four straight starts, two of them being
24:57before the one you're referencing.
24:58And that's why I don't want him to do it.
25:04You know, Verlander, who's been around forever, obviously Webb, I just think it's a young pitcher
25:09and he'd already been showing signs of trouble.
25:11You're picking starting pitchers who weren't on the mound that day.
25:14Well, I understand that.
25:14What are you going to do, wait until the Marlins leave?
25:16I would not have asked my pitcher, my very young pitcher, who you acknowledge has struggled.
25:23I wouldn't have asked any of them to do it.
25:25But if you're going to do it, you've got to use the guy who's scheduled to go that day.
25:29Okay, well, don't, like, he wasn't pitching well, he's young, you already are concerned
25:38about his second half of the season because he's in uncharted waters in terms of his innings
25:43and things, and you did him no favors, and it backfired in a big way.
25:50That is accurate, but I'm not going to blame last night's start on that.
25:55And the Giants would love for Stine to be right.
25:57Oh, we had you throw at him, that's why you're going through what you're going through.
26:02He's a young bum, and he's hit a wall.
26:04I wonder if the young man can recover from this.
26:06This could be kind of threatening.
26:08He's walked 16 people in the last five starts total.
26:12That's too many.
26:13He has lost control of the strike zone.
26:16Somebody go to the man.
26:17So back to John Shea's point.
26:19Okay, so who takes that spot?
26:22At least for one start, who takes it?
26:25You want to call up Wisenhunt?
26:26I mean...
26:27You want to make up an injury?
26:28How about we find a Carson who can actually get somebody out?
26:32That's Wisenhunt.
26:33Well, Wisenhunt's the best one.
26:35I shared this last night when you went dark on the thread.
26:37But he's a starter.
26:38Sure.
26:39You can bring him up for a spot start.
26:40You can.
26:41You can do that.
26:42Or you can bring up Mason Black, or I don't even know if he's on the 40, man, but...
26:46Wisenhunt, I think, threw last night.
26:48Yeah.
26:48For the Rivercats.
26:49So, like...
26:50I don't know how he did.
26:51Here's an idea, Buster.
26:53Bring up the right Carson.
26:54Because...
26:55Oh!
26:55Oh!
26:56Oh!
26:57That's my Ed McMahon.
26:58The Carson that you have, he's not very good.
27:01He's a baby.
27:02He brought him up for being a middle reliever because Sean Jelly's world has exploded.
27:06They needed to get him the hell off the big league roster.
27:08And he showed up with a gas can instead of a glove.
27:13I mean, he's had two outings.
27:14Yeah.
27:15Yeah.
27:15How's that gone?
27:17And I thought Eldridge...
27:17First one went fine, actually.
27:19Hashtag random.
27:19I was so drunk with the move of Devers.
27:22I was like, Eldridge, you're not coming up.
27:25But now I feel like Dibs, they may need him to come up.
27:29Oh, God.
27:30This year?
27:30I feel like that was quite on the set for him.
27:32He's hurt.
27:33Well, yeah.
27:33But if he's available, they need that thumb.
27:37To put him where?
27:38First base.
27:40Who's got a better chance of coming up, him or Devers?
27:43Because Devers ain't playing first base at all.
27:45He's 20 years old, Goob.
27:47He's had about 10 games in AAA.
27:49DH?
27:51You don't do that to a kid.
27:52Is Rafi playing first at all?
27:54I don't think you do.
27:55Absolutely.
27:55This year?
27:56Oh, yeah.
27:57Oh, yeah.
27:57He might be playing third.
27:59Well, that's...
28:00I've got to tell you, that's something that I don't...
28:02I'm not crazy about it either.
28:04This guy...
28:05Like, whatever's going on with his groin and all that, if that wasn't going, he'd already
28:08be there.
28:09At where?
28:10First.
28:10Oh, I'm talking third.
28:12Rafi Devers is their first baseman.
28:14Okay.
28:14That's who he is.
28:15That's what he's doing.
28:16What I think is somewhat weird, and if you want to blame it on the groin, that's fine.
28:21This guy played third.
28:23Wasn't great.
28:24But he's been a third baseman his whole career.
28:26Man, man.
28:27Whole career, and you put Wilmer Flores at third last night, which was the third game
28:32he's played at third in two years.
28:34Rafi would probably play third at night.
28:36I wonder.
28:36You think?
28:37If the groin's okay.
28:38Yeah.
28:38Right.
28:38And his back.
28:39He got thrown out at home.
28:40They don't...
28:41Yeah, they don't want Wilmer doing it two nights in a row either.
28:43His knees, man.
28:44Yeah, they're...
28:45I mean, he's like...
28:46There's little quirks of this that I think that are leading to...
28:48But you think we'll see Rafi in the field?
28:50Hell yeah.
28:51Hell yeah.
28:52They better.
28:53They're up a creek if they don't do that.
28:54Yeah, Schvitt's Creek.
28:55Yeah, who's going to play over there?
28:57So, getting back to Birdsong.
29:00Wiz and Hunt gave up two and five and two-thirds last night.
29:04Two runs.
29:04Can you...
29:05In AAA?
29:05Yeah.
29:06Okay.
29:06So, now you had indicated that in the two starts before Birdsong plunked the dude in
29:13Miami, he was having control issues.
29:16Well, he only...
29:17He walked...
29:18Okay.
29:19Prior to the one against Miami, he only walked one against Boston.
29:23He walked two against Colorado.
29:25Walked five against Atlanta in the start before that.
29:29Okay.
29:29And then...
29:30But you said he wasn't pitching great.
29:32He hasn't been great.
29:33Yeah.
29:33He's been giving up a lot of runs.
29:35His ERA on June 6th with 2.55.
29:39Now it's 4.3.
29:41I mean...
29:42That's the jump.
29:42Yeah.
29:43Not been pitching well.
29:44It's 4.33.
29:464.30.
29:47Yeah.
29:48Probably be 4.01 if they don't ask him to hit the guy.
29:51Well...
29:52I mean, that was three biggies.
29:53He had a guy on that heel.
29:54That was three biggies.
29:55You're allowed to go out and get the next guy out.
29:57No, you're allowed.
29:58Are you implying that when he plunked the guy, it was such an emotional burden that he has subsequently been unable to get people out?
30:06No.
30:07I'm saying that that was not the guy to tell to hit somebody.
30:14I agree with you.
30:15And what I was advocating is you bring in somebody who throws 101 or 102.
30:19102, if you really want to hit somebody, well, get me Rodriguez, who throws a buck, too.
30:24And by the way, he doesn't always know where that thing's going.
30:27And I do think that's part of his effectiveness.
30:29If I'm in the batter's box against Randy Rodriguez, I am terrified because he has times where he'll throw 101 and it's like, oh, my God.
30:38That missed by nine feet.
30:39Yeah.
30:40That's scary.
30:41I'm not waiting for the 2-2 game in the seventh inning to start throwing at people.
30:45Start it opening.
30:47It's dumb in the first inning.
30:48I think it's even dumber in the eighth inning.
30:50I don't disagree with you.
30:51That's my opinion.
30:52Dumber, dumber.
30:52Shout it out.
30:53I'm not saying, here's what I will say.
30:55I'm not saying, well, because Birdsong was asked to hit the guy, now he's never going to be the same.
31:03I'm not saying that.
31:05But he's a pitcher who was struggling.
31:09And I wouldn't have asked him to do anything other than concentrate on his start.
31:16It felt like they jimmied up the game.
31:18Hey, good start.
31:21You got the first two guys out and now hit a guy.
31:23It's not what you should have asked Birdsong to do.
31:29I agree.
31:29I agree.
31:30But I also don't think you can now start blaming subsequent starts on that.
31:34No, but how about this?
31:34This is the 24th start of his career.
31:36He's 23 years old.
31:38That's right.
31:38Like he's baseball.
31:39So even if he's the toughest young pitcher in baseball, and he looks 12, and he's asked to do that, I would at least think about it.
31:48And now let's look at what happened last night.
31:51He gets off to a real good start.
31:55And he actually got squeezed a little in what?
31:57The third inning when the pitching coach came out.
31:59You could tell the pitching coach was like, you know, he got squeezed a little bit.
32:02And then the pitching coach came out the last one.
32:04My point is, is in one inning, he couldn't throw a strike.
32:08He couldn't throw a strike.
32:10Somebody go to the mound.
32:11That tells me.
32:12I couldn't believe it.
32:13He's a young pitcher.
32:15We all know that.
32:17He's still figuring out a lot.
32:18And yes, he may be more fragile than a veteran.
32:22Woodler Dibbs, can you lay out for a second?
32:24What do you call yourself doing?
32:26If you're going to stay to 227, you run that by me.
32:29I had a knee appointment thinking we were getting out.
32:31You can leave.
32:32And you called an audible and don't tell me where to go.
32:34I don't appreciate that.
32:36But I'm here.
32:37I hate to see it.
32:38But if he decides to stay, he doesn't communicate with this guy.
32:42I didn't know.
32:42While he was talking, it gave time decisions.
32:44I just had a moment.
32:45The audience doesn't notice.
32:46The clock is behind me when they said it.
32:48I just turned around and I went, oh my God.
32:52Did something like happen here at the radio station?
32:55Wow, man.
32:56Did all the golf courses in Bay Area close?
32:58I got the reschedule.
33:00If he leaves and Stiney stays, that is akin to playing roulette and getting like a green
33:07space three straight times.
33:09That's like zero, zero, double, zero on three successive spins.
33:13It's like the Giants shutting out the Dodgers nine to nothing.
33:16I mean, it's allowed to happen.
33:18It is.
33:18He's allowed to stay.
33:19He is.
33:20This is a shocker.
33:21You're allowed to go.
33:22What do we got?
33:22I have breaking news.
33:23Oh, crap.
33:24We just pushed the break to 42.
33:26Sorry.
33:26Yeah.
33:27Let's go.
33:29Look at him.
33:30Clock, clock, clock, clock, clock, clock, clock.
33:32No, I mean, plenty of time to talk about, man, all of the activity from the Warriors,
33:37right?
33:37In this free agency.
33:39I'm feeling baseball, Dibs.
33:40No, it's great.
33:42Although this is your show now.
33:44No, no, no.
33:44I'm not trying to get you to pivot.
33:45And I do think that the, we talked about it a little bit yesterday, like your outrage-ometer
33:51over the Warriors and what they haven't done versus the Giants and how bad they've been.
33:57Yesterday, I was more upset with the Warriors, but after last night and my partner, my own
34:02partner, shunning us all, shutting it down.
34:06No.
34:06I just, I dialed out.
34:08You were dark, which is rare.
34:09I just dialed out.
34:09It's rare.
34:11It's rare.
34:12I mean, I'm allowed to.
34:13You are.
34:14Yeah.
34:14I mean.
34:14I got a kid.
34:15He wanted to play Yahtzee.
34:16And this is the last day for you for a while.
34:18I know you just rolled a large straight, but I got to text Dibs because he's locked in
34:22on an 8-2 baseball game.
34:24I was yachted in.
34:24Yeah, I know you were.
34:25I wasn't.
34:26Yeah.
34:27And you chose your kid over us, and that's disappointing.
34:29Speaking of which, Dibs.
34:30Willard.
34:31What?
34:31Stiney's daughter's getting married.
34:33About to have the wedding.
34:34Right.
34:34And you're about to get married.
34:35Also correct.
34:36Congrats to both.
34:37Two weeks from tomorrow.
34:38Look at you.
34:39I bet your daughter's doing it on a weekend, though.
34:41Sunday.
34:42Yeah.
34:42It's more expensive on a Sunday.
34:44This is my little life hack for everybody.
34:48Are you going during the week?
34:49But you got deep pockets.
34:50Deep pockets.
34:51My God.
34:52No, we're doing it on a Thursday.
34:54Oh, best day of the week.
34:55We got it.
34:56Best day of the week.
34:57And almost, almost, almost everybody invited doesn't have a real job.
35:01Just like us.
35:02So I'm like, let's do it on a Thursday.
35:04Yeah.
35:04And you just, you saved thousands of dollars.
35:07It's incredible.
35:08Yeah.
35:08We're, we're not at a crazy expensive venue anyway.
35:12Okay.
35:13More on that in a minute.
35:14How many people are coming?
35:16How big are the weddings?
35:18He's got to hit Costco.
35:19About 75.
35:20Okay.
35:20Yours is more than double my size.
35:22Wow.
35:23Cut that.
35:23Well, it's not my way because I don't have that many friends.
35:26Well, and you're getting.
35:26It's my daughter.
35:27Yeah.
35:27More on that in a minute.
35:28But you're getting married a week from tomorrow, Mark.
35:31Is that right?
35:31Two weeks from tomorrow.
35:32Two weeks from tomorrow.
35:33Two weeks from tomorrow.
35:33The 17th.
35:34Are you nervous?
35:35No.
35:36I am.
35:38I got you.
35:39Well, you should be.
35:40And I was listening to the entire show as I am wont to do.
35:44And Stiney did a live read today for new vodka.
35:46Is that first time?
35:47N-U-E vodka.
35:50Right.
35:50It's the first time I heard what I heard.
35:51And I was like, oh, this mother jumper.
35:54Why?
35:54What'd he say?
35:55He apparently, and by he, I mean you, he's having a function in two days at his house
36:02with 75 people in attendance.
36:06Yeah.
36:06And.
36:07And is new vodka going to be there?
36:09There's going to be a lot of new vodka.
36:10A couple of bottles.
36:10A couple of bottles.
36:11You know, I think about a 75-person invite event, and I would figure.
36:16You thought you would have made the cut.
36:17I mean, what am I, Clay Thompson?
36:19Am I going to start wearing number 76 now?
36:21He's worried about alcohol.
36:22He's worried about the inventory.
36:23At least 1,000.
36:25I mean.
36:251,000 what?
36:26Dollars on alcohol.
36:28I mean, I don't know how much you get for 75 people.
36:32How much do you get for 75?
36:33A lot.
36:33Like, I'm thinking.
36:34There you go.
36:35I'll get five cases of beer.
36:36You got a lot of kids coming, or is it like all drinking age people?
36:40Mostly, probably drinking age people.
36:42And some of them expired out of it?
36:44Like, you got a lot of 80-year-olds coming, or?
36:47Expired.
36:47I know.
36:48I don't mind, actually.
36:49I don't mean that to be offensive.
36:51How many 80-year-olds are like, all right, we're going to put seven Manhattans back tonight, honey?
36:56It's not.
36:56Like, it slows your roll.
36:59It's not spring break.
37:00Put it that way.
37:01Okay.
37:02All right.
37:02It's a lot of upstanding adults.
37:05Everybody's of age.
37:06Yes.
37:07Okay.
37:07And, you know, like, they're not all, like, recovering alcoholics or anything like that.
37:12Okay.
37:13Not a lot.
37:14That's a lot of alcohol.
37:15I just still, you know, I just want to make sure we don't run out, that's all.
37:18Yeah.
37:18It feels like, like, $8 of champagne, and, you know.
37:21I didn't even think of champagne dibs.
37:23Right.
37:23Get some champagne.
37:25Yeah.
37:25Definitely.
37:26Cooked.
37:26The ladies will love that.
37:27It's going to be the 4th, right?
37:29And...
37:29Oh, yeah.
37:30It's on Friday.
37:31Right.
37:31That's July 4th.
37:32Yeah.
37:33That's a bit...
37:33Wow.
37:33That's an honor to hunt it.
37:35I was going to go to BevMo or Total Wine today, and the big fella Dana said, no, no, no.
37:39We'll go to Costco.
37:41That's a good move.
37:42Is it?
37:42It's a good move.
37:43All right.
37:43I mean, it depends on what you're trying to do.
37:46If I were you, I would go to Safeway, and I would see you in the aisles.
37:49That's also a good move.
37:50That's probably...
37:51Yeah.
37:51And if you've got your, you know, your Safeway rewards, and, you know, you clip your deals,
37:56and that way you can actually, you know, come up with some real good bargains.
37:59Go to the 4U section on the app.
38:01I bet they'll take care of you there, for sure.
38:03No doubt.
38:04Anyway, yeah, you need a lot.
38:06Get more than you think.
38:07No doubt.
38:08I'll bring in the rest.
38:10Yeah.
38:10There's no problem with having extra.
38:12Man.
38:13It's true.
38:13You know what I mean?
38:14You'll take care of it.
38:15That's true.
38:15Fortunately, I have your address, so now that I know that there's going to be a jump off...
38:19Come on.
38:19Mary flies in town today.
38:21Yeah.
38:22Mother Mary.
38:23I haven't seen her in a long time.
38:241130.
38:25That's an honor that that many people would choose to spend the 4th with you.
38:29With my daughter.
38:31Still.
38:31I'm going to just be there.
38:33What time do you get out, usually, on this segment?
38:35About now.
38:35Okay.
38:36Yeah.
38:36Well, it's been a pleasure.
38:38It's been an absolute shock.
38:397-3 Giants today.
38:40What's that?
38:417-3 Giants tonight.
38:42Yeah, that matters.
38:437.
38:447-3.
38:44Boy, I hope you're right.
38:467 runs?
38:47You can't keep losing, man.
38:47You're going to score a week's worth of runs tonight?
38:50Man!
38:51Zach Gallin's been terrible this year, and they couldn't hit him last night.
38:55How about the White Sox whole rotation?
38:57Pretty much.
38:58Well, the wind was blown in, according to my sources.
39:00Who's pitching for the D-backs tonight?
39:02What do we got?
39:02Merle.
39:03Oh, God.
39:03They're not scoring 7 runs tonight.
39:06They might score .7.
39:07Giants lose 2-1 in 10.
39:09Damn.
39:10Oh, God.
39:11Could you imagine if he's right?
39:13I just, I don't know.
39:14Stiney, on behalf of Willard and myself and Grandy and Lucas, thank you for gutting this
39:20out.
39:20What a special treat.
39:22A real thrill.
39:23Yes.
39:24And, Guru, thanks for getting in to do that.
39:26I couldn't, but like, man, just did it himself.
39:28Did you guys know that the Warriors are hosting the California Classic this weekend?
39:32And I'll be there.
39:33Tell me about it, Will.
39:34Yeah, the Lakers, Heat, Spurs are visiting the Warriors by Stiney to kick off the summer.
39:38And we got a four-pack of tickets to give away for both day one on Saturday, July 5th,
39:43and day two on Sunday.
39:45That would be July 6th.
39:46All you need to know now is be listening between 4.30 and 5 for your chance to win.
39:51Remember, if you don't win, go to ChaseCenter.com for your tickets.
39:54We're also sponsored by Honda of Vallejo here on Willard and Dibs.
39:59Willard and Dibs, can you lay out for a second?
40:01Okay.
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